Me and my dad run local tournaments out of a 1438 mirrocraft. Not going anywhere fast, comfortably, or winning the Classic anytime soon, but we're within our budget and going fishing and that's all that matters.

I live a few miles from Ranger's factory and they have laid off the entire work force for a few weeks because nobody's buying glass boats right now. All the glass boats are pricing themselves out of 95% of angler's pockets. How many of the "Joe" average guys can throw down even 10% of a $100,000 boat and have a 30 yr. payment plan? 65K for an alum. ? We're going to see a lot more repowers being done. I'm one of these guys. I'm retired and don't need another payment book at my age.

@mikeyID

3 ай бұрын

Well said ✊🏼

@kurtheidelbach

21 күн бұрын

Shouldn’t have a payment at any age. If you can’t pay cash it’s out of your league.

You said the answer on this video about boat builders. The smaller builders still have QUALITY CONTROL and PRIDE in what they put out to the consumer.

The fact they put accessories on most boats that no one wants is one of the reasons I like alumacraft bought boat motor and trailer went home bought the trolling motor batteries graphs and on board charger I wanted. All the manufacturers should do it that way in my opinion

@mikelembke5121

3 ай бұрын

You can order any boat with what you want on lt or settle for the way dealerships get them

First off, I'm a huge fan! Love the unbiased pov. This is what people want to hear. As a 2nd generation welder fabricator in the marine industry, I love the tin rigs! Looking forward to seeing one of these in person. 99.9% of potential buyers are going to replace all electronics immediately. Why tf dont these big companies offer a premium package with 10-12" graphs, ffs, lithiums, and 36 volt tm option?

You’ll have to do a video on the new Xpress H20. 20’ boat with a 175hp and tandem axle trailer for $40k

@timg185

3 ай бұрын

I think that boat needed a 200 HP

@RedXCross1

3 ай бұрын

The H20Bay is rated for a 150, I have one it runs good. IMO it is built good and runs and rides great for a tin boat, I have owned a few others as well.

@Lray4x4

3 ай бұрын

A 20 foot bass boat with only a 175 on it would suck

@jordanreichert7145

3 ай бұрын

This def needs to happen, with the lakes I fish within a cpl hours of my house, I'm really interested in what you gotta say about the new H20

@williamdeel377

2 ай бұрын

​@Lray4x4 not on the express with a 175 it will scream its light and rides and drives like a top

1996 to 2001 Xpress boats sure seem to be solid. Not always the best layout.....but the hull, transom, and welds are rock solid. 👍

James Niggemeyer just did a walkthrough video of his Alpha208 and it looks very impressive! Looks well built. Hopefully this is what the aluminum boat market needed!

@lowvpro9651

3 ай бұрын

Willing to bet its just as bad as my Ranger 198p. Every compartment will leak, electrical connections are terrible, no wire management or very little. Knee room behind console? These things are a joke.

@davidegeland2380

3 ай бұрын

It's not well built. Not a single piece of extruded aluminum in the whole boat. It's no different than any other foam filled mass produced aluminum boat.

Thanks for the info,and great video-- speed money brakes !!!!!

Never heard of you but the World needs more of you & your unbiased reviews. Today so many people are Pro-Staff lying that you can't trust what they say.👍

I'm with you on the looks Andy! In the BPS catalog it about 60K with the 200 Merc. I also agree on the T-motor, and the Ranger touch panel. Put a decent t-motor on it and use switches instead of the touch screen. Hope to see one soon. Really can't wait to see you behind the wheel of this one!

I bought my GT by your review 2years and couldn’t say one thing bad. Tm , lithium battery, and power pole charge , I appreciate every review!

@TeamMarineService

3 ай бұрын

That’s awesome!!! We love hearing stuff like that. 👏🙏

I was in the Bahamas last week wearing my Team Marine swim trunks. Looked awesome!

@TeamMarineService

3 ай бұрын

AWESOME!!!

All good points, I went through one at BPS a couple days ago and I loved what I saw.

Saw one of these at the local BPS and it caught my attention. Honestly, I had to take a close up look because it really looked like a glass Z20 Ranger boat. Really like the layout. Some concern with several things on the boat but really attractive and see a lot of potential and looking forward to seeing more on water feedback, top speed on the 250, stability and ride.

Don't know anything about the 20 ft ranger but I absolutely love that 188p. It goes everywhere really smooth and very stable.

Yea can't wait to see a video on this boat on the water but that is a big motor to put on the back of aluminum boat.

To Jordan’s point about welders, i don’t think it has anything to do with welders vs glass builders. IMO it’s got to be price point. More of the market is in the “cheaper” boat range…thank y’all for putting in the time to deliver great info.

I just repowered my 2010 Crestliner 1700 fishhawk from a 115 Optimax to a 115 Yamaha four stroke. Tired of the issues with the Optimax. Low oil level alarm screaming each spring and power trim issues. Suzuki dealer here sucks so I went with a good dealer that at least has good service.

Great video

@TeamMarineService

3 ай бұрын

Thanks!

My havoc river rat side console with 115/80 jet is a tank that doesn’t break the bank.

It would be a great video series on how to evaluate used boats and motors before purchase

@TeamMarineService

3 ай бұрын

We have a couple videos on what too look for when buying used outboards and boats

If I remember correctly Tracker use to build an aluminum boat called the avalanche that looks just like it

I went and took a look at one myself. There is enough room for say five batteries I believe in the back. I noticed some strings of carpet and some bubbles in places that just didn’t look good to me. I also noticed that opening the rod lockers would flex the aluminum at the base where the door attaches to. Not sure if all aluminum boats are the same way when it comes to that. But to me it was a turn off. I would still keep an eye on them in the future because I feel like they will probably need to improve. Nothing is ever perfect on the first go around. But who knows, only time will tell.

At the end of the day it’s still a White River kit boat. That’s why they put those cheaper garbage options on them. Vexus or Avid has WAY more options.

@TRICKEDTINS

3 ай бұрын

Avid boats are sick

Xpress x21 has got a sho 250 .

@joshuahaskins4573

2 ай бұрын

I have one. Awesome boat. They’ve been doing it for decades and Andy pretends they don’t exist.

@kzdoezit7410

2 ай бұрын

@@joshuahaskins4573they covered x21 while ago.

My father in law is a top walleye guide out of Grand Rapids MN. He's run Lunds for 30 years. His current boat has a merc 300. Granted he changes boats every year so he wouldn't know if there were issues. Interested in getting a tin boat so paying close attention...

Gatortrax uses extruded aluminum in all critical areas of the hull which makes them the strongest. I was at the xpress plant in 2006 getting a new trailer and saw a 21 foot with 200+hp and the transom where it meets the splash well was stretched and torn !!! Not cracked theres a difference

The trolling motor and depth finder on the Ranger is what you would expect to find on a Tracker

Scully's Boats is a excellent aluminum work boat company.

I have the Xpress x21. Been a beast of a boat. Went to that from a bass cat to be able to fish shallower water. I looked at gator trax, no contest w the quality. Gator TRAX builds thebest Tin boat made. PERIOD ! But my rigged out like my express had me over 100k with a year wait to get it. So I went w express x21. I have @ 73 in my express. Loaded out , 4 graphs, raptor anchors Garmin tm w scope etc

Northern Minnesota aluminum rules. Rock central. Glass got the ride but aluminum is catching up

lol $64k for a 20' aluminum boat and it doesn't even come with a 36v trolling motor. Basically they're charging you for their name. You can get in a Falcon F205 for a little more with better electronics, 36v Ultrex, 4 bank charger. Ranger is smokin that good crack.

@billshepard6664

3 ай бұрын

They always were.

@rickvann3489

3 ай бұрын

This is for the folks that what an aluminum boat, not a nonresale glass boat.

@charleskline2002

3 ай бұрын

They are smoking that tracker boat crack

@coltonhurley2525

2 ай бұрын

Just priced a new f205 and bare bones is 73 grand

@rickvann3489

2 ай бұрын

@coltonhurley2525 and just good resale around the Carolinas, kinda like Charger Boats in the Missouri area great boat but no resale same goes for Falcon great boat but just not popular

You guy need to do a team talk on Recon Boats

The boat weighs more than the 20-foot fiberglass boat, but no option for a 36-volt trolling motor. I add powerpoles, jack plate, and no option for 12 inch depth finders. The price is $81,000. You can still get a 2023 Ranger fiberglass 20 foot with all the options at $86,000.

I agree the Ride system is not needed for this boat, drop it and drop the price. On the site, they only have a standard option for the trolling motor and graph or a $450 credit for each to delete. I think that might not be bad since everyone does their own thing for those anyway. I have seen other builders offer one brand graph but not the others so they get the boat rigged anyway. Time will tell how they hold up!!!

@coltonhurley2525

3 ай бұрын

Not to mention you get a 2000 dollar bass pro gift card so itd pay for your new electronics and trolling motor

I would buy the new ICON 20ft boat you told us about .

I can see the ranger not coming with many options factory. There doing it because most people are gonna customize it the way they want to. I personally like the boat myself and if you gut the merc and put a yami on it i think youd have the perfect 20 ft bass boat

Do you have any knowledge of Avid aluminum boats? My take on the popularity of tin boats has to do with weight. Smaller trucks, less fuel etc. As performance and features approach glass price and weight/economy will turn my to aluminum.

I hope it's great , but I know aluminum , welding, and WRM ............ The Lock Morris Monster strikes again !!!

As always GATOR TRAX for the WIN!

I seen it at the Classic. Sharp looking boat, but front deck is was to chopped up with doors. Small compartments. Battery box area isn't very big. It had shallow water anchors on it and only had room for 3 batteries and the pumps. Kind of sad. Not sure on wire size on trolling motor cable. Would like to run a 36 volt trolling motor.

I still want to see you do a vidieo on prodigy boats. Very nice aluminum boats

Have you encountered those problems with xpress with 250?

I wouldn’t trust a 0.125” welded boat. You hear of welds cracking all the time. I’d go with the Lund Pro V Bass, it has a 0.205” double plated rivitted deep V bow, by far the beefiest on the market and proven over decades on big northern waters iwalleye boats.

2024 Lowe Stinger 178 Andy. Do an Over/ Under and a general Team Talk about it.

James Niggemeyer just did his 1st video on the 208 Alpha, not a lot of detail but a start!

Xpress X21 can take 250. Just got an X19 and love it.

@joshuahaskins4573

2 ай бұрын

I have the x21 w 250 and it’s amazing. Never going back to glass.

@carbonduke01

13 сағат бұрын

200 SHO, flash it,and there you have it,87 mph boat.

If the northwest (USA) aluminum boat builders would decide to build a bass boat, it would be tuff. Boats designed to run skinny rivers with jet drive have to be to take a beating.

@adrianalvarado7407

3 ай бұрын

That would be killer. As we have the best welders in the world. Wa state baby💪😎

Great. What about the crappie guys? We want a front livewell and NO CARPET. Give us a textured product like the Xpress boats use.

by the time you put poles on it, a trolling motor, graphs and batt on it it'll be $90k

Seen the 208 at the classic and was ok. They should’ve just brought the 208 glass. The aluminum has the cheap latches like the tracker it basically an old v18 just bigger

Aren’t all new TM 80 or 112 lb just depending on your battery Configuration ?

Going to aluminum instead of glass used to be less expensive because you'd have a smaller outboard and thus less cost. An aluminum bass boat used to mean a lighter boat and maybe 90hp or 115hp. I guess it's still less expensive than glass with that 250 hp and $63,000 but that is just such a large number and hard to get used to prices like that.

@dnv323

3 ай бұрын

Aluminum prices are insane !!! Lund pro v 2075 starts at 95,500 it’s ridiculous … I can buy new skeeter WXR2060F for 86,500

@chadengels2625

3 ай бұрын

@@dnv323the Lund 2075 Pro V Bass starts at $71,000. That’s with a 250 Merc Pro XS with DTS, cover, trailer steps, tandem custom trailer, and padded front deck. No trolling motor, graphs, or power poles. I just priced a 2024. Given that the Ranger is 0.125” welded aluminum and the Lund is double plated 0.205” rivitted, I’d take the Lund, it’s the beefier hull.

@coltonhurley2525

2 ай бұрын

You can get a 20 ft nitro with a 250 for less than 60

@chadengels2625

2 ай бұрын

@@coltonhurley2525 Yes, I believe Nitros are the cheapest glass boat you can buy. Just like glass boats, aluminum boats have a wide price range that corresponds with build quality. The higher end aluminum builds are going to cost more than the lower end fiberglass and plastic builds.

@coltonhurley2525

2 ай бұрын

@@chadengels2625 that is true. I was essentially stating before id drop 70 on a lund id just buy the nitro. Even the z21 is only 66 if the ranger wasnt what a man would want

The Mercury 250 ProXS motor costs $24,000 alone. Is the boat worth the remaining $39,000? Thanks for the overview.

Not a bass layout but xpress has the x23b that will take a 300

Pass, $63k the sonar better reflect

Blows my mind when manufacturers throw a crazy underpowered trolling motor on a 20 plus footer as standard equipment. Extremely basic electronics, and then they put a fancy touch screen panel on the rig! Give me the tried and true rockers switches. This thing equipped with the right troller for the size and at least decent graphs and then you get ridiculously priced for an aluminum rig.

@coltonhurley2525

3 ай бұрын

Sad part is price a sea ark bc210. There 76 grand for an aluminum

@chaddrumm6809

3 ай бұрын

@@coltonhurley2525 It’s ALL ridiculous. I guess the older I get I realize that all of this “over the top” SH#T isn’t appealing. Give me a a solid nice 17ish foot boat with a 60 HP with a 24V trolling motor and fairly decent electronics. Still will put me @ 30ish grand, but at least that’s possible for typical middle class people.

@jgringo5516

3 ай бұрын

@@chaddrumm6809I’m right there with you. I downsized back in 2018 to a 18’ footer with just a 70lb MG trolling motor. It’s kick ass. I catch just as many bass out of it as the 20-21 footers I had the 20 years prior. I could do the same out of a 16-17 footer. I’ve made way more money buying stocks and saving money last 6 years than I ever did in tournaments. Save your money. Don’t get sucked in to the BS. Don’t be “Captain Nutsack” blowing his wad on expensive boats. Buy stocks and land instead. Find an affordable used boat you can pay cash for. The prices for new boats now are insane. As soon as the Fed let people rob their 401k’s back in 2020, prices on everything went crazy. It’s back to reality now in another piss poor economy with cross dressers running the asylum.

Andy heard anything else on the new tracker?

Agree 100%, who makes a boat that can't handle a 3 6v trolling motor. Only a 70 for trolling motor? Wrong decision. Make a boat with what we want as standard option!

@johnemrey9877

Ай бұрын

I have a ultrex 80 on my 20 foot Vexus and rarely need to use 30%. Fished 3 days and batteries still at 77%. 24 v is plenty.

Which aluminum boat do you know of for sure that can handle a 250

I can spend 33k ish max (loving the 175 txw with the 75hp for 26k)without getting in a fight with the wife. I wanna fish off it first but if they aren’t biting I wanna go fast around my lake, what should I buy? I’m wanting a new boat so I have warrant and be in control of the brake in for the engine.

I think the all welded thing is over rated. A combination of welds and rivets might be better. All the other Ranger aluminums had broken welds and bracing breakage.

A over/under with all the things u put on it would be close to $75-80 ish.

@extremeboating7347

3 ай бұрын

80K is actually more realistic being built to its optimal best. That same 80K at the end of the day winds up costing you a screamin' budget price of roughly $240,096 with an interest rate of 12%, title, tags, registration, luxury tax, and that doesn't even include insurance over a standard loan term of 15 years if you live in California.

@BassNBaseball

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely rediculous, even 80k for glass in nuts. But it’s the world we’re living in now days. Right now gas is $6 a gallon in Ca

Ranger 208 alpha looks like a vexus avx2080 funny they are across the street from one another. Ranger has the 250 option only thing on paper different.

Just picked up a 98 518 dvs

@BassNBaseball

3 ай бұрын

That’s what I run, love it! Great hull, original 200merc EFI still running strong 💪👊 and best thing is she’s been paid for for a lonnnnng time. Congrats on the new sled!

End of the day it's metal and you are trusting the welds are done correctly. And I don't trust Ranger to do that correctly. So it's a hell no at any price from me..

I’ve got someone you need to check out that does complete custom work for aluminum rigs and glass boat. Nate Eckhold at Nate’s Custom Boats in Pekin, IL.

Kristin fischer says it's a great performing boat she is running it in the opens this year

Xpress H22B with a 200

Also a 25 gal livewell is to small for that boat

i would rather have switches then, the small touch screen

Tshirt idea put Andy in a nitro…

@TeamMarineService

3 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@alanhore1834

3 ай бұрын

Puking over the starboard side. lol

Are they filling all dead space with foam?? If for no other reason than to muff that aluminum water bashing sound. Ranger quality left with the sell to Johnny Morris and friends IMO. Off subject I threw an old 32 inch flat screen tv on front of my boat to get the crazy ass stares at the ramp as well as super glued coffee cup on top of truck lol .

Allweld boats!

Speed rating?

We need a Walleye Tin Boat one with Windshield one with out like SC Walleye boats Brand Battle.

I love aluminum, but when you get outboards bigger than 90hp on aluminum, shit starts to break

I bought Xpress 21 pro with a 250 sho on your review so far so good my buddy tried to trade me his skeeter lol

@joshuahaskins4573

2 ай бұрын

Same. My mechanic wanted to buy it when I got my 2021 Xpress X21 last November

@Djp1971

2 ай бұрын

@@joshuahaskins4573it’s a smooth boat for sure

@chadengels2625

2 ай бұрын

Same thing as the Ranger, a 0.125” aluminum welded boat.

Council is an attorney. Console is part of a boat

Tournament Champ back there?

Patiently awaiting an over/under on a Keith Poche off grid Gator Trax.

Gator Traxx

Lets put a 7" touchscreen instead of switches on an aluminum rig? Why - I thought the rig was to be a cost saving alternative? Letss' use rocker switches please! The touchscreen is the same size as the 7" Lowrance unit, LOL.

Never thought I'd live to see a $63k Bass Tracker

@timg185

3 ай бұрын

Well the engine is probably over 30K alone

@TeamMarineService

3 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@jessecooper9795

3 ай бұрын

@@timg185 ain't that much, but it's up there. Can't wait to start hearing people complain about welds and stringers cracking. Ranger ain't nothing like they used to be

@jessecooper9795

3 ай бұрын

@@TeamMarineService tell me I'm wrong 🤣🤣

@lowvpro9651

3 ай бұрын

I have a Ranger Akuimun and I'm niot a big fan of it but it's not a tracker by any means. Of course if you're just here to vash you probably don't really give a shit.

Curious on the weight. Is that the weight without anything to include motor etc? My GT Strike 20 ft with 250 weighs in right around 3100 lbs with 1/4 tank of gas. It will be interesting to see how this boat handles the abuse. Price loaded is very similar to the price I paid on my GT.

@ericsieck1605

3 ай бұрын

Just saw a walk through, James Niggemeyer stated the aluminum is .125 on the running surfaces only.

“Coconuts know what I’m sayin….” 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

65k😂 Any thoughts on an 2005 Ranger Reata 180vs?

Thought you were going to Ranger to check it out??

And not all engineers are created equal thrust me

There will always be fiberglass boats boys

I wonder why the same package from the 198p is cheaper then the 208.

@aboveaverageengineer3001

3 ай бұрын

The 198 has a 150 pxs and that in not only less powerful but tons less weight on the transom. The 208 needs thicker aluminum and a beefier transom. Also, the design is different so you get way more front deck than the RT boats there are other things too like the touchscreen and hopefully a pre-installed wiring harness. Still 65k for a tin rig is crazy

Ranger RB200 is JUCK!

When will Andy realize that the Xpress X21 always has and always will be the best aluminum boat on the market. They’ve been slapping 250s on em for decades.

@chadengels2625

2 ай бұрын

Same thing as the Ranger, a 0.125” aluminum welded boat.

@joshuahaskins4573

2 ай бұрын

But Xpress come with a Yamaha, not the requires a leash ProXS and a prayer that the lower unit doesn’t blow first week. Oh and it’s 21’ and doesn’t have 2’ section cut out of the deck for a step.

I will keep my Lund 2075 Pro V bass. Riveted is better than welded. Lund knows how to construct aluminum boats. Why do they rivet planes and not weld them 🤔 mmmmmmm

@chadengels2625

3 ай бұрын

Plus the Lund is 0.205” double plated deep v bow section. Much beefier than a 0.125” welded hull.

A 250 with only .125 tin no way. Even the xp21 had some come apart. I can't help but think if you want a 250 get gator trax or go glass.

I grew up watchin bassmaster. I always wanted a ranger. I bought the rb200. More “affordable” and allows me to be a multispecies guy. The boat does everything i need it to. I dont hate it. But it’s heartbreaking how terrible the craftsmanship is. They use cheap materials and have zero pride in their product. Ranger is tracker now. Its sad. The aluminum flexes when i change direction w trolling motor. The rivets on the floor are already popping, the panels are loose and flexing, the paint is already peeling off inside, you can see waves in the aluminum down the right side and many small things like that. But i cant afford a fiberglass, let alone multiple boats. Love the configuration and o feel it rides smooth for aluminum as well. But i dno… ill never buy ranger again. They broke my heart lol oh, and i only bought it in august. Its a 2924. And i have a baby… im not out much right now. Its just a cheaply made boat

Had

My old Thunderbolt is paid for.Remolded nice old Johnson.Laugh if you want people its paid for ans had seen tons of Bass and more to come.GOOD DAY

As a Ranger Aluminum owner I can tell you their new slogan should be. "Ranger, still screwing you one boat at a time. " the quality and craftsmanship is garbage.