I liked how positive Brad was throughout the video. GREAT COACH!

Major credit to your student….i would have been in the gutter before mentioned the gutter 😊😊

Why has it taken so long for a video like this? Every other vide has a pro lining up saying "I normally start around here at this center" followed by "I'll move 2 boards and that's how you line up." Having an amateur involved brought out the why. "Throw the ball here, look for this, step here, throw the same line, look for this. Since the ball did that, change your hand position to this." I very much appreciated this video and would love to see more communication on other patterns between a pro and amateur.

@feralas-hell7341

Ай бұрын

Yea agree 100% it gets so tiring seeing the hjgher level players and you tubers doing just that, 'I normally roll from thirty five out to fifteen because Im a high rev player'. I would prefer to see a lower average player being coached because lets be realistic, the majority are not rolling off 200+ averages.

That was cool. I'd love to see more sport pattern with an amateur videos like that.

Brad & Kyle makin’ videos!

Kevin looked real embarressed, but you did great man! It's real hard facing new challenges and knowing it's gonna be on KZread. We feel you!

I know he was embarrassed. But this is the type of videos the rest of us need to get better. Its hard watching someone who already has it fugured out telling you how to figure it out. VS someone who's actively getting better making small tweaks. Awesome video. Thanks for doing it.

Step 1 when bowling on an unknown sport pattern: Take your benmark resin ball and roll it at medium speed 'straight up' center arrow. Watch for the moment it jumps left. Note where on the lane it jumped. Now you know approximately the length of the pattern. With that intel you can start getting lined up in the expected area the pattern length should dictate. Tune the shot from there.

@kenmaksim4096

2 күн бұрын

what if it seems like ur getting something a little different each time u throw? A little under or a little over. Also are u suggesting to play more though the middle and less on the right hand side of the lane? TY very much!!!

@nordattack

2 күн бұрын

​@@kenmaksim4096 No. What I meant was, when you are bowling on a mystery pattern, a sport pattern where you DO NOT know what it is or what its length is, if you roll a ball dead up the middle of the lane right over center arrow, when the ball exits the oil pattern it will hook suddenly. Note how far down the lane it was when it hooked. Now you know the approximate length of the pattern. This is all this trick is good for. As to your question about getting a different reaction each time you throw your shot in the same part of the lane. This tells you you are playing in the WRONG part of the lane. On sport shots over/under is the first sign you are playing in the wrong part of the lane. The more over/under there is, the more wrong where you are playing and even using the wrong ball too. The more miss room you have, the better the part of the lane you are playing. The goal is not to have to be a bowling God who can hit a dime every time at 20 feet. You need an area of the lane you can hit and still be good. Most bowlers on sport shots don't use low enough grits on their balls. So these shinier balls will skid too much and jump too much making the shot harder than it needs to be. Sport shots have a TON of oil and you can use 500 grit through 2000 grit on your resin balls and have a much better reaction. On all patterns, Sport and House, in warm up find the part of the lane that lets you miss the most and still get to the pocket. That is the best area to play.

That was great guys. Can’t wait to see more.🤙🏿🤙🏿💯💯

Thanks for that Brad. I actually just tried a short, low volume pattern on Wed. We have a Summer Sport Shot here where the winner picks the pattern for the next week. It's a 3 game top 8 match play style. Would've been nice if you could have put this video out over the weekend lol, as I struggled to figure it out, but this is def going in the memory bank. Thank Kevin too as it was good to see him work thru the process.

Kudos to Kevin. I haven't bowled on sport patterns very much, but after watching this video, I have a better idea of what to look for. Thanks for all you do, Brad and Kyle. Would like to see more videos like this, as well as more challenge videos. I enjoyed the trick shot videos and watching Brad attempt Tom Daugherty's record. Any chance that Kyle will give it a try?

Always love the sport shot videos. Keep em coming

Kevin reminds me of Matt Iseman haha Here in Australia, at my bowling centre during league, we always bowl on the house shot. The way the pinsetter mechanic at the centre described me the pattern, was looks like a Christmas Tree...

This is a great video for people that are only used to league or House Shots. On those shots, people essentially play the same shot every week and move their feet a little right or left depending on oil amounts. On a Sport Shot or a PBA shot, it's literally like solving a puzzle using deduction over multiple shots at different angles. Fantastic job showing how to do that here.

This is so great... I been trying to raise my level of bowling, but wasnt having difficult understand sport condition.. This video is one of the best you produce.. Thank you so so much.. More videos like this please...

Really great tutorial Brad & Kyle! Great topic for a league bowler before going to Vegas for Nationals. Thank you.

Nice video, really good to help us try out sport shot with an idea of how to do it

Great video! Really good information. Thank you.

Great job guys! All three of you! Love this type of content.

I actually really liked this video gave allot of insight, I’m almost at a 200 average myself, I bowl like 4-5 days a week and I’m trying to get on tour if only for a year to see what I’m capable of. I live in Atlanta. I’m incredibly addicted to the sport

Kevin is a nice guy

Nice job Kevin

@nordattack

Ай бұрын

Sneaky, they put surface on his ball and didn't tell us. That's when he struck.

Great video. Would love to see some more of this on all the pba shots and even some kegel shots. I think theres alot of people bowling sports leagues like me that just dont have enough experience and knowledge to excel. Having a clear path vs taking stabs really helps. Really appreciate the videos you guys make.

Great video. I struggle on short patterns. This was very helpful

Learned a ton from this video! Thanks guys.

Good timing on this video. I bowl in the Cheetah the next two weeks in my Sport Pattern league. lol

I’m bowing on something similar tonight. I’m going to try everything you suggested. Thanks!

Thanks for the content, this was very helpful for us house bowlers!

I am a lefty with low rev. I normally play first arrow, so the gutter doesn't intimidate me. I miss right all the time!

@DynamicGracer

Ай бұрын

Don’t miss left!

Good video. Anything that shows the thought and decision making process is helpful.

Very good vid. Going to be helpful when I travel to other centers away from my house.

Love this. I just started my first PBA pattern league last month. Started with Don Johnson and now Wolf. I feel like I lived this video last night 😂. Love your pattern vids. They’re very helpful

Great video! My college coach always said if you didn't throw it in the ditch at least once on a short pattern, you were doing it wrong ;)

Definitely need to do more of these.

Great tutorial ❤I should test lanes like that no matter I know the actually pattern and thickness before hand or not. Thank you guys!

Brad & Kyle. Loved the video. But I wanted to ask a question and clarify somethings that were counter intuitive to me. First for back ground. I’m in my 60’s and I did a lot of bowling in the 70s thru the 90s. Speaking generally, back in the day it seemed that the slicker the lane was we tended to move out and the dryer it was we moved inside which is totally opposite of what you see today. I recall some really dry conditions where we’d play 3rd, 4th, or 5th arrow AND we’d pull out the good ole Columbia Blue Dot which was as hard as a diamond. The hard shinny ball gave us (hopefully) some skid, and the deep inside line gave us room, and again the hard shinny ball surface prevented over hooking. So I guess my question is two fold; first you said changing balls would not really help, but it seems like that is a great tool to try and get the ball further down lane before hooking. And secondly, using Kevin’s first shot or two, why wasn’t moving left with the feet and target an option for getting the ball further down the lane?

@feralas-hell7341

Ай бұрын

Yep two boards and a shift in eye target can make all the difference, gotta remember though, back in the nineties we were all rolling LT-48's and the like which needed to be rolled down two board when lanes were quite dry. Especially on a cooked shot.

This was great!

Great video!

I like the videos with Dennis the cameraman!

Loved the video, great tips for short patterns. Can you do a video for long patterns next? Thanks

Enjoyed 😁

great video keep it up

I really enjoyed the video.

Good video. I have been bowling sweepers this summer and the pattern they post doesn't always seem to match what we get to bowl on. This will help me a lot.

Fantastic video!

Great video

We're livin' on the edge ... (apologies to Steven Tyler)

Cool video talk tech bowling Brad and Kyle

good vid boys!!!

If we were playing a drinking game on how many times he said "yep" we'd be drunk by the 5th frame!😂

@TheDreverything

Ай бұрын

Yep Yep

@michaeltovrea7947

Ай бұрын

I don't play games when it comes to drinking. I'm drunk by the 4th.

Great video! As a 220+ avg house shot bowler, I need to improve my tournament bowling. Videos like this are very helpful. I'd like to see similar videos that also include ball selection, handling transition in tournaments, and adjusting to a new pair with no practice shots.

@kylemc8851

Ай бұрын

Yea, I’m 221

@BANONEGuitar

Ай бұрын

It’s quite an awakening when you’re a 220+ house bowler and think you’re going to still be that guy on a sport shot. I remember when I started bowling PBA regionals a million years ago. You learn a lot of hard lessons. :)

@douglaswalker8945

Ай бұрын

Trust me, I've always known enough to know I won't score the same on a sport shot. But I practice on them when I can, and I've gotten better.

More like this please👍

Gone are the days where I try to throw an aggressive hook from the left side of the lane. It seems to me that now the money zone is basically from the center to the edge of the right gutter. My adjustment tends not to vary more than 5 boards depending on the oil pattern. It took me years to accept this...I was still trying to throw like I did 20 years ago and couldn't understand why I would cut through the head pin so often.

Excellent video... please keep going with the amateur bowling sessions and tutorials, tips on how to bowl on different oil patterns... Thank you!

You guys do great video. Can you do another video similar to this one, but on a long pattern? I struggle on longer pattern because of my ball speed.

I love Kevin

do more videos like this one

It'd be great to see a long pattern video.

It looked to me like you put some surface on the ball at the end. The abralon pad laying on the ball return is a clue. Why didn't you mention it in the video? I suspect that the duller surface helped the ball make it to the pocket from the outside when it was missing the head pin to the right on earlier shots. Thanks for the video!

Great video, but I have a question. Is it better to use asymmetrical or symmetrical on short oil patterns?

Interesting approach to playing this pattern. I would have played 3rd arrow back to the drier 2nd arrow with a less surface ball. Watching him play the oiler area outside seems like he has no room for error-like a house shot would have.

I bowled on Boardwalk v2 this Saturday and bowled a 279 three of the shots hit the half board, surprised I didn't through any gutter balls 😂

Those gutters perfectly explain the difference between sport patterns and house patterns, and it literally doesn't matter which sport pattern. On a house shot you basically want to get the ball right as fast as possible to let it hook back. On a sport pattern you need to get the ball out of the back end of the pattern to make it hook. In other words on a house shot you need to get the ball out on the lane and a sport pattern you need to get it down lane.

Loved this video, but I have a question. Couldn't you also move your feet left (past the center) but aim at the 10 board (give or take) to achieve the same result? Instead of setting up on the right but with a smoother release like you did with Kevin? It seems to me that the short pattern would allow the ball to hook once you got past the 35' mark but still not go into the gutter and hook back into the pocket. What am I missing? Would setting up this way just have the ball slide into the gutter?

Thank you Brad & Kyle for a great video. I’m curious why Kyle chosed a Cheetah pattern which in my opinion is pratically mostly played with Urethan and not resin. On a intl. tournament in CH everybody was throwing Hammer purple on the Broadway V2 (37ft, 26mls) and bowled in the 220-250’s - everybody trying resin was struggling extremly. Please tell me why you didn’t select a pattern like +43ft more suited to reactive resin with surface?

Bowling is extremely tough to master, and I really respect those who are able to make a living doing it. However, here's a perfect example of how the most out of shape old men still try to cling to some sort of competition. Bowling really has some athletic aspects but good lord

good video, is it possible to do same thing on flatter pattern like 5 to 1 or 3 to 1 and do it for short and long oil , so one can compare difference in lining up from short and long oil on same shot. Brad and Kyle you guys do great job with your videos, thank you

@baaadddmannn

Ай бұрын

sorry add to that ball selection and chioce.

Bowled on my first short pattern this week and STRUGGLED to break 100 every game. Finished under 500 for 4 games. Truly a humbling experience 😂

This is an awesome video. Would love more like these 👍

It used to be (on wood lanes?) that for the shorter pattern(s) the move was always left, and for the longer pattern(s) the move was always to the right. Nowadays the approach is usually just the opposite - and it does seem to be odd to me. Would like to hear your comments on why this is. Thanks/MG

@markdeering5129

Ай бұрын

The game has changed so much since when all centers were wood lanes. The viscosity of the oil, technology and seemingly endless choices of bowling balls, oil patterns, and the surface of synthetic lanes are different. In a nutshell, it’s just different now 😊

@BANONEGuitar

Ай бұрын

@@markdeering5129 Yeah exactly. For us old guys who were teenagers in the 80s coming up, it was a completely different game.

@montegustafson5142

Ай бұрын

@@markdeering5129 Yeah, but my questions is still - (specifically) WHY? Yes, conditions are different, but what is it about the conditions that have created the change? Wish B and K would talk about this.

sport shots are tough. Thats why you have to practice these shots. Get so used to bowling on those house shots.

More of this

More like this.

Keep doing this, but on different patterns please.

@josephkenney2977

Ай бұрын

Agree - doing a sport shot league this summer and we have a mix of patterns. More of this from the amateur perspective, and specifically all of the troubleshooting and corrections, would be really helpful!

love your alls videos. A bit of feedback, the jump cuts on his approach zoomed in on him imo defeat the purpose of the channel and are hard to watch. I get a lot out of watching the entire swing, approach and all. Love your stuff though.

@xxxLesPaulxxx

Ай бұрын

That wasn’t the point of this video, it was where to put the ball in play. Not the approach.

Is this a video that was filmed last year? AJ Johnson did this in 2023 and brad said this year. Not that it matters, just curious b

Congrats Packy

great video, but im also noticing something with kyle🤨

This was a great video! Definitely thumbs up I love Brad and Kyle, but there's no chance Kevin is a 200 average bowler. Just saying.

Dam he looking like west malotte big and tall

Is Brad related to Dr Mike Israetel?

How about making a video about bowling a sport shot and ball surface. The thought process on some shots make no sense to me to think that less surface is better.

Can’t you even do this to adjust starting league play warmup’s?

@BANONEGuitar

Ай бұрын

Of course you can do that. You should do that. But a house shot doesn’t have that much of a drastic difference like a sport shot.

Should had told him to move left lol

Is it me or is kevin kinda cute lol

I'm no pro but that sure wouldn't be my line.

that guy needs a pitch black haha

I appreciate you guys bringing out content, but I am concerned with the way you guys want to believe amateur bowlers average 200 points. Kevin, to me, would be a semi pro bowler or even pro since many pros average about 200-215. For reference: Beginner average 90-120pts Novice average 120-145pts Intermediate average 130-165pts Amateur average 150-180 (me) Advanced average 175-200 Semi-pro average 190-215 Pro average 200-230 For fun!! 😂 Semi-Gods/Goddesses averages 225-250 Gods/Goddesses average 250-280

@BANONEGuitar

Ай бұрын

Averaging 200 on a house shot is NOT a professional level bowler. Most pros average 240 (if not higher) in their leagues when they bowl on a house shot. I’m 53 years old. I bowled PBA regionals for years in my 20s and 30s. Then I quit for about 15 years and just got back into the game last year. I averaged 220 on a house shot this season and there is no way I could compete against any pro.

@DynamicGracer

Ай бұрын

Semi pro here Eric Smyth I average 221 book and also lose at regionals / scratch tournaments 220 isn’t enough I will admit though they let you bowl regionals with a 200+ average But those people rarely if ever min cash and never ever win Every once in a while there is a guy that is 205 on house and 195 on sport (which is amazing) But generally the 225 guys on house are 200-205 on sport You need to be really good and really smart (and throw straight at spares) and average over 225 to even have a chance at breaking even at regionals in the long run

@DynamicGracer

Ай бұрын

Also the highest book average ever by anyone is 267 (and he wasn’t even a pro btw) There is no 250-280 God division The exempt pros average 228-247 as mentioned

@DynamicGracer

Ай бұрын

Literally a guy named “220 ave bowler” who averages 220 and takes 67th out of 80 at regionals pretty much every time Micheal Gonzolez

Watched 2 shots, it’s a Viper

Once he said two hundred, I'm not watching the rest of the video.

That shirt is 2 sizes too small

I mean there is no way this guy averages 200. Maybeeeeeee 180 or so? But he seems willing to learn.

Now teach him how to buy a shirt.

I don’t think I’ll ever forgive AJ for the 4 gutters on TV He sprays and blows He’s only good because he throws it good out of his hand

How can yall have so bad camera angles, its all over the place

If this dude averages 200 on a house shot I average 306 on a house shot.

@DynamicGracer

Ай бұрын

200 is a double with no opens Anyone can do that

@davidhopewell9454

Ай бұрын

Have you bowled on cheetah? The breakpoint target is around board 3 and house shot bowlers don't throw the ball out there. He did just fine.