I like how Vincent still sits 2 meters away for a 115" TV

@kaeganthornhill3936

Ай бұрын

Gotta get that 4D effect.

@MrX-zz2vk

Ай бұрын

He's watching Gal Gadot, dude. He's going to sit REAL close. You know, to examine the detail in WW's armor and ricocheting bullet sparks.

@Violet-ui

26 күн бұрын

For the movie theater-like FOV

The double entendre humor is in full brightness mode, love it.

@darylcheshire1618

Ай бұрын

There is usually one humorous comment per video, I look for it.

@beltrangarrote1982

25 күн бұрын

@@darylcheshire1618 We got two in this one. I feel spoiled.

115", 5,000 nits and 20,000 dimming zones sure is impressive. but mostly i'm just happy to see somebody other than Sony and Samsung deliver a Jaw Dropping TV to send big boys the message that they actually have to compete and not simply work out an agreement with each other to sell overpriced junk.

@PSYCHOV3N0M

Ай бұрын

20,000 dimming zones is NOT impressive whatsoever. 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂 4K has over 8 million pixels. 20,000 zones is nowhere near enough to cover 8 million+ pixels. The LCD TV that came the closest to OLED's contrast ratio is the now-discontinued Hisense U9DG Dual Cell LCD 4K TV which has over 2 MILLION local dimming zones thanks to its secondary 1080p grayscale panel.

@kineahora8736

Ай бұрын

@@PSYCHOV3N0M that’s why it’s mini LED and not microLED If you had as many local dimming zones as pixels, It’s literally the next technology🙄 and right now that next technology cost over $100,000, so… And as for being accurate - I don’t think we should call it “4K TV”- to me that would mean 4000 x 4000 = 16M pixels. In fact it’s 3840 x 2160 pixels (which doesn’t even have any relationship to 4K anything) = 8.3M pixels. We should be calling it 8.3M TV in my opinion…

@RedLeo-pf9yo

25 күн бұрын

Perfectly said !!!

@supergrissi

23 күн бұрын

@@kineahora8736 The naming "4K" does not refer to the resolution but to the horizontal pixel count. It derives from "DCI 4K" (Digital Cinema Initiatives) which has a resolution of 4096×2160! 3840x2160 is the resolution that is used in the consumer market because it keeps the 16:9 aspect ratio...

@supergrissi

23 күн бұрын

@@RedLeo-pf9yo NOT exactly!

10 seconds must seem like an eternity at 115"!

@LoopyChew

Ай бұрын

*ding*

@444chroma

Ай бұрын

that IMPACT

Don’t let Sean Kingston know 😂

Thanks for reviewing this TV!

Vincent Teoh is simply streets ahead of the competition when it comes to the details that matter! Amazing :)

The 10 second marathon man lol great content Vincent

Next, TCL will be offering a full sized drive-in movie theater with land.

I helped a friend wall mount a 100U8K. It absolutely destroys every picture quality aspect of my JVC NX7. The Hisense is brighter, sharper, better contrast, better black levels, better shadow detail, better color depth and accuracy, better screen uniformity, Dolby Vision, lower input lag, 120hz VRR, much less expensive, etc. The only advantage the projector has is size. The JVC will be my last projector, my next display will be an extra large mini LED. Oh and for the dummies in comments yelling about the $27K price of this TCL: the JVC NZ9 cost $23K which does not include the screen, interconnects, sound system, ceiling mount, installation, etc. The NZ900 will be close to $30K and both will not yield anywhere close to the picture quality of a much cheaper direct display. Plus unlike JVC and Sony projectors, these new large displays will come down in price very quickly and there are currently 100” LEDs available now for less than $3K.

@JayCham_JC

Ай бұрын

Great comment…👍🏾

@HNedel

Ай бұрын

There is some charm still to a projector, you don’t have to squint to protect your retinas when explosions happen on screen 😎

@TheMeefive

Ай бұрын

Nothing wrong with being excited about a tiny 115 inch tv, but thinking it puts projectors in trouble is lunacy. 1. The tv costs $20,000 for a 115 inch screen. I bought a brand new Bbianlyy native 4k projector for $189. It comes with bluetooth, electronic keystone, hdr10 support and I get a 151 inch screen. 2. You need a crane to transport that heavy monstrosity to your house and at least two men to install it. I caried my projector home in my backpack, set it on a shelf and was watching it 5 minute after I got home. 3. The bigger the tv screen, the more annoying reflections you have to del with. haven't had a reflection issue since 2017. 4. The TCL will always be a niche product that will not appeal to the average consumer. The best selling tv' on Amazon is a Vizio 40 inch that sold 10,000 units last month, The TCL 65 inch moved 8000 units. The best selling projector was the Happrun 1080p that moved over 10,000 units last month and costs $69.00. With budget 4k projector prices dropping in price, there's no way a $20,000 tv could put the projector market in BIG trouble. It's TOO little and expensive to cause even a blip in the projector market.

@budala1969

Ай бұрын

@@TheMeefive _"I bought a brand new Bbianlyy native 4k projector for $189"_ lol... comparing a Fiat 500 with a Bugatti

@TheMeefive

29 күн бұрын

@budala1969 Maybe you missed the point. 2020 I bought a 1080p for $238. The cheapest 1080p was $189. Now you can get native 1080p for $69. The Bbianlyy may not be the greatest native 4k projector but it's the first native 4k for under $200. It's just a matter of time before other native 4k projectors start selling for $100 or less. Now you laugh at the comparison but as I pointed out, the average consumer doesn't buy Bugatti.

as always amazing content, Thank you vincent

excellent large screen experience and it works in the Livingroom with the lights on and can do proper HDR.

One thing no reviewer ever tells you is that moving between apartments/houses with a 98" or 115" TV is going to be a nightmare (+gigantic black rectangle on the wall).

I have the 3500 nit TCL C855 65" and it is outstanding. Used to own an LG G1 OLED until it got burn-in. The TCL is so much brighter, life like and sharper. 0.4 nits black levels, no blooming whatsoever and I use subtitles a lot. Get Apple TV+ and it will make the C855 shine. The Google TV app on it is good. The Picture options are outstanding in variety. Out of the box quality viewing. The remote is simple, elegant and easy to use. Compliments, kudos to TCL for this TV. Hands down the best TV I have every owned. Almost half the price of OLED makes it all that much better.

Never dreamed there would be so many 100 inch or bigger TVs to choose from!

Projectors have always had inferior picture quality

Oh really? Checked the price of the TV.... 27K!!!!! Yeah... I'm pretty sure projectors will be fine! 🤣

@logirex

Ай бұрын

yeah if money is not an object then sure but 🤦‍♂

@Ustaleone

Ай бұрын

Indeed.

@jaystarr6571

Ай бұрын

@@logirexEven if I was super wealthy, that's a goofy amount of money to pay for a television.

@thatsamazin-

Ай бұрын

But TCL has had 98 inch TV’s on sale as low as $2000 that still look better than projectors that cost more. Vincent did a video on this a while ago. Projectors may not be “in trouble” but they will have to significantly lower prices if they want to compete with TV’s.

@ms3862

Ай бұрын

It's way cheaper in China, it's under $10k if you buy in China

I have been following Mediatek for so long and I am so glad that they have released a new tv chipset - pentonic 800

When this hits 10k we are buying. The jvc x9000 is the last projector I’ll ever buy. Height is only 1.5m so easy to get through the door.

@Albrts

Ай бұрын

You can buy it in China for $10k (80k yuan)

@RXP91

Ай бұрын

@@Albrts oh good! So hopefully in the coming years we will see price drops

I'm curious as to if you can wall mount something like that easily? When these get to be around 10-15k, I think they will be a serious threat to projectors. I am def interested in one that is around 140 inches.

Vincent was finally able to watch wonder woman in full glory HDR and hoping he is now satisfied with 1:1 representation

Thank you so much for always being so brilliant. I love your TV knowledge. 🙏

Are you going to review iPad Tandom Oled?

This 115" TV is £25k! I don't think home projectors have anything to worry about and if someone spent £25k on a projector, they'd be wanting a larger screen than 115". £13k would get you the Sony VPL-XW7000ES

eh I think projectors will stick around until there's an easier way to get these 100+ inch TVs around like through doors or up some stairs as well as price

@kiisseli1337

Ай бұрын

Yeah because those things are so difficult my next tv after 83” could be 65” Also selling them or even giving them to someone is difficult. No one could take my 77” OLED even for free, because it’s simply not physically possible to move there, so it’s been with me unused for years.

@RedLeo-pf9yo

25 күн бұрын

About the 98 inch TCL in November 1923. The movers had no problem, dropping it off in my upstairs living room. And then a week later me and My Cousin pulled it out of the box and put it together quite easily. And I’m 53 years old and in extremely poor health.

@kisigma1011

5 күн бұрын

​@@kiisseli1337uhaul truck is recommended

0:23 of course, Vincent, of course 😏 😆

Vincent, I'd love to hear your thoughts on iPad Pro's OLED 1000 cd/m² brightness in 100% window. Maybe I should watch HDR movies there instead of my LG OLED TV.

I am interested in the 85" x955 version. That one should be large enough for me and price is much better

You can make a video on calibration for the Philips 8800 series TV. I would need it very much 🙏🙏

Projectors will still be the go to in a cinema room. 115" reflective glass will make it impossible to have any decent sound acoustic.

But when is any version of the x955 ever coming to the UK??

@hdtvtest did I miss the eotf curve in movie / calibrated mode?

You should do a review of the new oled IPad Pro Display. I’ve heard it’s pretty insane so I’d love to hear your opinion

All this means is TV for a ridiculous price can beat a projector. However now gives UST projects a reason to be better then they are now. And oh course they will always have to be cheaper otherwise the TV will still be the best pick. So UST needs to be close to this at a cheaper price and UST is king again! Still can't come close to 100% rec2020. This is why UST are so good color depth is very important for pop and real looking image. Coupled with low blacks a good contrast. Can't wait for the this new USTs

Are you also planning to review the hisense 110inch TV ?

@hdtvtest

Ай бұрын

@JayDpwnz: Yes, should the opportunity arise.

Vincent! When s95d review?

Projector will be in big trouble when this tv cost less than 4.000 us dollars , but for now I'm very happy with my Dangbei Mars Pro 4k laser projector and my 135 inches screen 😎👍

Can you please make a comparison with FSI XMP310 vs SONY HX3110? I’m a colorist, thinking about getting the FSI, and I’d love to know more about that Thanks in advance

Anyone thinking itll be black friday until $10k? Am I dreaming? Lol

There's any explanation to why the xbox HDR menu does white clipping at 2400 nits if the TV is able to over 5000?

what is the equivalent in terms of specifications of TCL QM851G in Europe

Is it coming to UK? Seems TCL is reluctant to offer its flagships here for some incomprehensible reason?

How about the TCL 163 inch Micro LED compared to this? I think it should be better in 8K regarding it's screen size.

Vincent, can you review the TCL C855K, please? It seems like it might be a bit more affordable for people lol. Does anyone know if the C855K is equivalent to the TCL QM8 2024? The different names for different countries are a little frustrating, lol. Thanks in advance!

Any U.K. pricing infor for 98 inch and 115? TCL flagship ranges

How stark was the HDR difference (vs UST projectors) in a dark room ?

@jaystarr6571

Ай бұрын

1:44 Well UST projectors don't do 5K nits in any room.

@hdtvtest

Ай бұрын

@cgott42: Literally night and day.

please compare micro led tv vs qd oled tv

for me 10 sec is actually a very long time

@baohoaily

Ай бұрын

8.5 more than I need. 😢

@discostoo

Ай бұрын

I can get a nap halfway through that epic marathon.

What is the power draw for that size tv?

Please test bravia 7 vs X95L!

Tcl c855 ,plz review

Big TVs are cool, but until they support my 3D Blu-ray's, I'll stick to my ust projectors

@brandonchutt312

Ай бұрын

What is the one 3D blu ray that you would recommend to everyone that makes the technology worth it?

@Carbon_Ziro

Ай бұрын

@brandonchutt312 not making it easy on me picking only one haha Guess I'd have to go with valerian city of a thousand planets.. or maybe Alita, or ghost in the shell.. ready player one err jumper. Idk, maybe I have bad taste but I enjoy em

🖐🏼 Please do Samsung 23 ultra and s24 ultra, lenovo yoga pro 9i 2024 display reviews.

@PSYCHOV3N0M

Ай бұрын

And the Honor Magic 6 Ultimate and the 2024 iPad Pro. Both of those devices use Tandem OLED panels.

Glorious VA LCD panel!!! 😍

@JULESSNOOKER

Ай бұрын

With lots of LCD blur if you watch carefully so projectors have nothing to worry about yet plus they also have the advantage of 3D on some models

@Valdaemonium

Ай бұрын

@@JULESSNOOKER 🤡 so what? This is still a very good high end VA LCD. "Blur" can happen everywhere, and it doesn't invalidate the screen in question! 👍

@JULESSNOOKER

Ай бұрын

@@Valdaemonium OK

@PSYCHOV3N0M

Ай бұрын

​@@ValdaemoniumThis isn't a high-end TV. It's not even OLED. The screen size is the main reason this TV is getting attention.

@Valdaemonium

Ай бұрын

@@PSYCHOV3N0M 🤡 So what?🤔 I just told "glorious" to the size, and even this panel is not the same which is used on sony bravia 9, EVEN SO IT'S STILL GOOD ENOUGH 👍 About OLED: this video IS ABOUT AN LCD TV*** Just in videos with OLED panel I'd say glorious OLED! 🤨👀🤦

I can imagine Vincent at the front of the cinema with a tripod peering at the screen.

It really depends. For a dedicated home cinema with acoustic fabric it's useless. Even in a normal cinema it wouldn't be my choice. One big reflection point.

@hdtvtest

Ай бұрын

@onlyvik: We have alluded to this before, but home cinema projectors can never reproduce the creative intent, because home distribution releases (4K Blu-rays, streaming, etc.) are graded on direct-view reference monitors, different from theatrical distribution for commercial cinemas.

@onlyvik

Ай бұрын

@@hdtvtest Hi Vincent. My point is not about the video quality, todays tv's are way better than projectors I know that.

There are specular highlights in Wonder Woman?! 😂🎉😅

Honest question why not Wizard of Oz 4k transfer?

@kaeganthornhill3936

Ай бұрын

Are you asking why He didn't use the film as a Reference? Since Wizard of Oz already got a 4K release.

Vincentttttttttttt. We need Bravia 9 vs the best OLED you could think of. Pleaaaseeeeee.

Vincent, if it's 2400 nits HGiG, vs say 1500 on the LG G4 in HGiG...these super bright Mini LED's aren't going to look twice as bright for gamers like many have thought they would because they see 5000 nits peak on the box. Just an observation, as these 3000 to 5000 nit tv's get released and people compare them to the brightest Oleds for HDR.

Could we get opiniions on RTX Video HDR in a future video? Gamers are fascinated but i trust your opinion more.

Even compared to awol 3500 ust????? The eye strain from the direct light from this tv must really hurt your eyes in the long run compared to a ust projector

So we are finally closing the 10000 nits… Wake me up, when we get there!

Nice! 👌🏻🤠

We need the HDR standard to start doing 4,000 Nits HDR graded content instead of 1,000 nits now. Even OLEDs are up at 1500 nits and even higher at times. Same with most higher end MinILED which goes even higher. We need to be able to experience HDR as it was meant to be seen past 1K nits.

115 inch TV, sounds awesome. So many dimming zones but it's TCL and the price is too much considering the fact that its algorithm isn't able to beat the X95L. Hope TCL and Hisense can at least match the X95L's algorithm one day, with their number of zones they'll be able to give great value to us consumers. I guess since no one else has a 115 inch TV, TCL can price it what they want, makes sense. But still would've expected a bit better local dimming performance. At least it's better than Samsung tho lol

How far we should sit from that size of the screen while we playing games?

@CasepbX

Ай бұрын

Around 10ft is how far I sit from my projector screen that's 120".

@fancyobsession1803

Ай бұрын

10 inches for immersion

Please review something a little more affordable for us, a review of the TCL c855 would great

Vincent, you know projectors and panels have different use cases. Why not have an intelligent discussion about this? Projectors still have their place. (Typing this next to an OLED, but I've got a projector in the main room, which I love. They are different experiences.)

@hdtvtest

Ай бұрын

@RandomUnassignedYTHandle: We have alluded to this before, but home cinema projectors can never reproduce the creative intent, because home distribution releases (4K Blu-rays, streaming, etc.) are graded on direct-view reference monitors, different from theatrical distribution for commercial cinemas.

@RandomUnassignedYTHandle

Ай бұрын

Thank you for your reply. Long time fan of you and your channel! Well, I see what you're saying. I do hope home projection continues to progress though. As I do enjoy the reflected light experience. On my screen or even expanded to the entire wall, I just love this thing. And of course for those of us in a smaller place, but who still want a big screen, it helps make this accessible.

@0:25 'Ultra Short Throw' 😂

Could hold a candle 🕯 😂

When I told my girlfriend, she wasn't impressed at first by 10 seconds, but then I told her its 115 inches.../wink

All projectors have is screen size but I'll take colour and contrast any day

Panasonic had a152-Inch Full HD 3D Plasma Display. Which had a 4k by 2k resolution. That was in 2010 so I don't know about largest tv tagline shown in preview of this video.

@mickschnabel

Ай бұрын

Now THAT would be a great comparison to this TV. I bet that Panasonic was close to 20k even back then too!

@cajampa

Ай бұрын

@@mickschnabel I assume you are joking, because it was way way way more than that. I think I remember it was like 500k or something crazy like that.

@mickschnabel

Ай бұрын

@@cajampa I can't recall if it was a TCL brand or what, but a few months back it was on sale for $3,000. I shit you not! It was either a 98 inch or 100 inch.... Oh unless you're talking about the Panasonic from back in the day, because yeah I have no idea how much that actually was! (I got my replies mixed up)

@cajampa

Ай бұрын

@@mickschnabel What....no one was talking about any TCL until you just now brought it up now. OP only talked about the massive Panasonic plasma. And you replied confused and thought it costed 20K, and I just informed you and said that no It was 500K.

@thatsamazin-

Ай бұрын

@@mickschnabel I’ve seen a 98 inch TCL on sale for $1999 brand new. I think the 100 inch Hisense is the one you have seen on sale for $2999. The TCL’s retail price on that tv was $5000. That’s one hell of a discount.

I wonder if this TV would also need to be replaced after two years, just like their other models?

@reinhartsieger6588

Ай бұрын

whats wrong with tcl?

@rickg8015

Ай бұрын

@@reinhartsieger6588shorter lifespan than the competition.. We had one a few years back..

@averagestudent4358

Ай бұрын

🤔

@monokendo

Ай бұрын

@@reinhartsieger6588 they have a reddit and YT is removing my comment just for saying the name of that website

@monokendo

Ай бұрын

@@reinhartsieger6588 this is funny YT is deleting my comment

Holy shi... that's a dream TV .. 5k nits!? Bro ..

Is your electrical bill also in big trouble with that 950 watt consumption? Or do you also have a sponsor who pays your electric bill? And again you refer to a comparison with a old Samsung UST projector and dito UST screen, when was it the last time that you reviewed new UST projectors and recent new UST screens?

@nemakis

Ай бұрын

Do you know of any newer projectors that can deliver similar HDR levels and contrast?) As far as power consumption is concerned, even an ignorant person realizes that a very large TV panel will also consume the corresponding electricity. I imagine the same question about who will pay for the electricity, you will also have it for the reviews concerning powerful home cinema amplifiers and 500-1000 watt subwoofers. if you can't pay 1000kwh per year the average consumption for this television, then this (or any large) television does not fit your financial profile.

@budala1969

Ай бұрын

If you're worrying about electricity cost, you can't afford this TV or anything similar.

@walterverbeeck6929

Ай бұрын

@@budala1969I can afford this tv, but on long turn, the energy cost of using of such device is to way high. Energy may dirt cheap where you live, but that ain't the case in Europe. It's like buying a Ferrari or a Porsche, you can afford to buy it, but it needs quite a lot of fuel and expensive maintenance.

@budala1969

Ай бұрын

@@walterverbeeck6929 High end PJs use a ton of power too. As do PCs. The current top commercial video card, RTX 4090, alone uses 450W.

@brandonchutt312

Ай бұрын

​@@walterverbeeck6929Europeans don't the have rooms big enough for a 115in TV 😂 Even if you use the TV for 5 hours a day at $0.2/kWhr that's still only a dollar a day. It's not that crazy expensive.

Just enjoy the tv never mind the calibration and whatever

I move from a Xiaomi 84" 4K Laser TV to a TCL 85" 4K QLED with Full HDMI 2.1 120Hz FreeSync Premium Pro, eARC/ Atmos and much More.

What is the power comsumption of that thing?

@sierratangoandras

Ай бұрын

it is yes

Wonder woman is so down my list if movies i wanna see if hypothetically i got this tv.

these TVs are impressive but I will stay with that cinematic look that you only get with projectors

Ouch. That input lag spike with local dimming enabled is a deal breaker for me. Damnit. Does anybody know if the 23’ QM850G has that same input lag increase with local dimming enabled? Maybe this is just an early firmware bug?

@TheMailerDaemonLives

Ай бұрын

Well the 850g doesn’t have high local dimming available in game mode, so the 851g does but at the expensive of lag.

@DizTV

Ай бұрын

@@TheMailerDaemonLives Hm, so maybe this is just an LD High issue? I’m going to reach out to Rtings in hopes they’ll test all three LD settings when they do their input lag measurements. Looks like they just purchased the 24’ QM8 so they should begin working on it soon.

115-Inch Mini? Quite an oxymoron, me thinks.

@kaeganthornhill3936

Ай бұрын

It's under 6 feet tall so in 2024 it count as a Short King. Quite the Mini Lad.

Your English has definitely gotten better over time. Keep up the good work.

@Psythik

24 күн бұрын

Was that backhanded compliment really necessary? His English has always been excellent, even in his oldest videos.

You couldn't even get that TV in most flats and maybe even most ground floor detached homes without removing a window. Due to the design of the flat I am in it would be impossible to get this in especially as I'm 6 floors up in a high rise.

@michaelangst6078

Ай бұрын

Most people will be even be able to fit a 150 inch tv in their house. It's just most people wouldn't be able to get it up or down their stairs. It would have to go in their living room

@RXP91

Ай бұрын

Its only 1.5m tall. I already have a 120 inch screen in my ground floor flat. We will buy one of these when they hit 10k

@MA-jz4yc

Ай бұрын

a 110 inch TV in even a decently sized flat in the UK would be quite ridiculous

@michaelangst6078

Ай бұрын

@@MA-jz4yc Y'all must only have short ceilings if you feel this way

@Sirdustetryne

Ай бұрын

I don't think the tv is designed for people living in flats.

Price please

My projector looks tight as fuck but I’d definitely run that shit.

As much as I would love this in my home we’re talking a 9.5 ft screen here most walls just can’t take them let alone average consumer who wants a max 65 it’s a real shame tcl doesn’t offer this flagship 9 series in house friendly sizing without downgrading hardware if tcl were truly want more sold they should offer rival mini max specs to beat Samsung and Sony offering the lg sadly also hardware limits there mini display so accuracy doesn’t rival g4 series oled

“to me, 10 seconds is a very long time” 💀💀💀

Motion on lcd verse’s a projector

How is the Uniformity DSE etc.?

Much prefer a large TV to a projector. Just wish they would make 21:9 models!

@ramoncastillo532

Ай бұрын

just watch things with black bars i don't get it

@brandobond

Ай бұрын

@@ramoncastillo532 With TV's this big it means the difference between whether it will fit or not. My room can fit a 97" 16:9 TV max but I could fit a 140" 21:9 TV! Don't forget about leaving room for your speakers, especially center channel.

@budala1969

Ай бұрын

@@brandobond You'll probably need to wait for modular micro-LED to become affordable.

Is it cat proof?

This is obviously unobtainable for 99% of consumers - the 98" is going to be FAR more interesting to see when you get it for review. That's something that mere mortals can possibly afford.

But this isn't really in the realm of what people can afford, what about 83" G4 vs 98" X955?

Can’t get upstairs, so my JVC 4K projector stays in my bat cave

How far were u sitting from the tv when watching wonder women in feet?

At this screen size 8k would make a massive difference, wouldn't it?

@hdtvtest

Ай бұрын

@EvilijoUK: 8K should make a difference at this screen size (though we wouldn't go so far as to say it's massive), but the brightness would drop due to lower light transmittance, and the higher power consumption probably wouldn't pass EU energy regulations.

I would never consider a projector since gaming features are my number one priority when buying a new tv so it’s nice to see larger TV’s out now finally in the sub 100” size and I cringe at seee that tv on the floor

@CasepbX

Ай бұрын

Most projectors have a Game mode just like TVs now.

@budala1969

Ай бұрын

@@CasepbX It's still shitty latency and overwhelming majority do not support VRR.