Michael, your Petrucci settings need some correction, and then it will sound a little more like his. Petrucci used the 2290 for all the delays. Straight from an interview with Mark Snyder back during the Awake era.... Speaking of the 2290......."For his lead sound, John uses two different delays: a 460 millisecond and a 602 millisecond delay with about three repeats. For his crunch, he's got a very short 26-millisecond delay. For reverb we use a Lexicon PCM-70 that runs off one of the loops of the 2290. The clean and lead sounds have a stock big hall reverb that we modified a bit so it's really warm and doesn't have a trashy decay. For the crunch sound, I porgrammed a really small room reverb that gives a little bit of ambience...." -Guitar World November 1994

@BigHairyGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Great info!

@ilovecops5499

2 жыл бұрын

MISTER EMARK SNUDER IS FROM TWISTED SISTERS. WERE NOTE GOING TO TAKE ITES ANYMORRES.....

@zachtheguitarmaniac

2 жыл бұрын

@@ilovecops5499 no. That’s Dee Snider. Mark Snyder built John Petrucci’s rigs.

@my_tube9405

2 жыл бұрын

@@zachtheguitarmaniac I loved that on the back of a Twisted Sister album it lists all the guitar players guitar, amp and string endorsements. Then all the drummer's kit, heads and sticks. Then "Dee Snyder uses Vidal Sassoon products exclusively."

I haven't owned a regular amp since 1990. I grew up in the era of the big racks and I've always had a rack mounted rig as my gigging/touring setup. I've always wanted one of these units but even back when they came out they were expensive and I could achieve similar results with eh, cheaper units. I still have a bad case of want for one, but mostly as a delay rather than the chorus/pan/tremolo stuff. I think there's far better options for those but the delay is iconic, absolutely brilliant. I used to bring a 20 unit, double sleeved, shock mounted rack and 2 Marshall 4x12 cabs on the road with me but I'm 54 now and I struggle to get myself to the gig let alone a massive rack, so I've downsized considerably. I would find room though for one of these TC units, absolutely.

@lukather1

2 жыл бұрын

Get an Tc icon 2290 and incorporate it in your rack I have one with my helix rack and the 1210 brilliant ! Thanks

We will drink to the 2290 when current and former TC staff meet on Friday. Awesome video!

Feels like a Dan Huff morning!!! 🤣 That unit is such a classic. Makes me feel old thinking of how that and the H3000 were the new hotness 30 years ago.

Please do a comparison of the Rack-mounted 2290 vs the new TC2290 pedal!

Really appreciate you showing the "attainable" alternatives. Just hopped on Sweet water and bought the plug in. Thanks for all you do.

Epic video! I will be going back to this one for delay references for years

Good God. Amazing Michael. Brilliant episode. Your playing really is Stella . Excellent 🤘 🤘

Where's that **MICHAEL NIELSEN INTERVIEWS DANN HUFF** segment that we've been patiently waiting for Mikey?! ;)

@NikolausBrocke

2 жыл бұрын

I love this flirting with Dan Huffs tone. He was my hero. Strange, not many people know him, despite he played guitar on most of the 90ies pop records.

@noworries12

2 жыл бұрын

@@NikolausBrocke He WAS your hero?

@NikolausBrocke

2 жыл бұрын

@@noworries12 He is playing not anymore, I think.

@noworries12

2 жыл бұрын

@@NikolausBrocke Of course he plays live from time to time,also on albums of his producer "clients" like Keith Urban,Faith Hill etc....hopefully he returns back to Giant

@NikolausBrocke

2 жыл бұрын

@@noworries12 Do you know some current productions he made? The one you named are old (but great).

Cool Demo :-) That must be a great effort with all the different routing!!! I also worked 10 years for TC Electronic so I know the gear very well and still love the 2290.... I think the strength of the signal and the High End is much better than on all the other units. Also I have to admit that the "Free the Tone" Delay Pedal is also close , but...

@davidvalens3337

2 жыл бұрын

Its very close

Hey man. That was pretty sweet. I enjoyed you're playing very much and the tones were incredible. I have a TC Flashback and I think it sounds super cool. The plugin version of this is Uber cool but I'm not a Pro and have very little need for it. I have been getting your recommendations for a while and watch your vids and officially Subscribed after this. Seems like you put in a lot of work and I hope you make some loot from it. I dig these longer form vids of folks noodling, talking, explaining and not always having a clear and defined purpose but one comes of it as time goes on. I"m gonna buy a BHG mug. 🤘🏽

Thanks for posting! First time I head a 2290 in person was Lab Sound in Calif in summer of '89......I always like the panning feature of the 2290, but for delays, I kinda prefer the sound of delay with some diffusion on it, to "blur" the repeats a bit.....But the plug-in version you just showed is killer! Cheers!

Badass demo. Thanks man!!

Aaaaaah Michael!! All the great Huff'nes in the beginning, love it!!!

Nice work as always, love the nod to Giant- I’m a believer! Dann Huff for the win

Nice bro, yea this delay is really cool. Thinking bout getting the plug-in… that controller is really cool. But that Roland in the end sounded almost just right .. thanks for the breakdown

I'll See You In My Dreams Dann Huff solo.....DUDE!

I regret having sold my TC2290 rack. I have the plugin with the controller and it sunds amazing, pretty close to the hardware. Congrats for the video.

Always love your videos sir 👍

So glad I found this channel

Great stuff Michael ! And good to hear Giant's lead lines as references.. Dan Huff did deliver !

Thanks Michael for the amazing video. Awesome tones, as always. Actually, I prefer the SDE 3000 over any of the other delays.

@marcoslnobrega

Жыл бұрын

Sde 3000 from roland don’t see a lot of people using

@robertbossart

9 ай бұрын

Uuuh - all the studio cracks from the mid 80‘s to the 90‘s were using the sde. Landau, Huff, Lukather and many more. Also Gilmour is still using them. The SDE 3000 came out before the 2290. The TC unit has better sound quality for longer delays and was expandable to 10 sec and later on to 60 sec. With the footswitch it was used as a looper a lot.

The original tc electronic 2290 is my main delay unit. Nothing else sounds quite like it or provides the kind of stereo imaging or vibe. I have tried everything that could possibly come close and the closest was using the Axe-Fx II and III, but only after doing a lot of research and getting some deeper insights from another well known Axe-Fx user who was on a similar mission to make it sound like a 2290. He and his tech friend had done some deep analysis of the preamp in the original unit, which is a huge part of its sound, as well as the delay line itself which is very unique in that it uses a chipset combination and structure unlike any other and has a very unique frequency curve that is far from linear. Our combined thoughts pushing together got us as close as humanly possible to recreating the magic of the 2290, although, I will say that the original unit's texture, tone and the way the delay repeats decay are still not imitable. An alternative to the 2290 that sounds quite good, but falls short due to some heinous oversights in design is the Strymon DIG. Had this pedal included a complete modulation section, as well as a more comprehensive EQ section for the delay lines, as well as a small numerical value readout to dial in the exact time in milliseconds or BPM, this pedal could have been better than the 2290 in some ways. But alas, Strymon have their own agenda to keep things real simple for the user, which is part of their design ethos, post-haste.

As you pointed out it is tough playing with delay because a flub is magnified.....that is where I am always in awe of The Edge and his use of delay in his signal chain.....takes the Jeff Beck type of playing where you can't count something off and jump in, you start and just GOOOOOO

Hey Michael, Mike from the UK here, absolutely love your vids, been watching for a couple of years now, we have similar tastes in ROCK. I especially like the 80's/90's rack gear that your show us. My amp of choice is a Marshall JVM (50w combo, converted to a head), try it, do a vid, be great to hear your opinion. Cheers

Thanks mate. Cool video.

Around 5:50 with patch 80, if you put your monitors in mono, there is no sound from the delay. Kind of neat. Same thing with 82 (others too). I know it's out of phase, but I didn't expect it to completely disappear.

18:20 I couldn't agree more. On a side note. The closest thing to the 2290 AFAIK is the Fractal Axe 3. I got both and they are shockingly close. Flashback, and Alter Ego couldn't compete. Anyways, great vid Michael! Always great content!

@realtruenorth

2 жыл бұрын

Eventide H9000 is gone be up there to. Incredible delays.

I just want your chair!! I bought a 2290 way back when they were first released. STILL used in the studio every day. 18-bit.

my fav part is when you show the installation with just the 1210 and the 2290 then I realize that cost more than my first car

Michael!!! Killer “Test for echo” demo love me some Alex Lifeson 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

Epic bro🤘!!

Excellent insight here on rack hardware. It matches what my conclusions have been over the past few years. The high voltage and headroom of racks just impart sweetness and hugeness to the sound. (I mean, confirmation bias is in play here.) It's less about digital processing horsepower and more about quality analog design. That said, I thought the Flight Time sounded great, all things considered. I think that unless one is a touring professional in many cases, where there is ample vehicle room for modest or larger racks, pedalboards (with pedal delays) are just better for working musicians due to space, cost, and maintenance/fragility concerns. Racks are great for the studio where they can be safe. I know everyone's mileage will vary.

The 42 sounded glorious too. I dont know if its youtube compression or what but when you plug the 2290 in your amp, it sounds way more amazing than any video demo (even when done by a pro like Michael) , it makes your tone better instantly, its truly amazing in person

If I recall correctly Pat Metheney does/did something similar to Petrucci to widen his sound. Into Delay unit, two outputs. Dry only signal to one amp. Extremely short delay only signal to the other. Chorus like thickening without chorus modulation. I do this with Yngwie's live wall of Marshalls set up. One millisecond added to each head in succession. Huge sound. More is more. My friend Nigel loves it. Plays his violin through it.

I love this delay. Want one so bad!

The rack unit sounds bigger. The stereo spread is wider sounding. The tails and decay are different. Maybe some tweaking could make the other units sound even closer like you said. Pretty impressive for a old digital rack unit.

Yes!! This delay is a classic beauty. I think of wide and thick sounds when I hear this unit. Amp smasher shirt came in 7 days and I love it 🤘🏼😆

@mars6433

2 жыл бұрын

WHAT DA ?!!!

@R2R3Lockingnut

2 жыл бұрын

@@mars6433 this dude loves racks 😆

Funny you used a riff from "Test for Echo" demoing a Delay :D (i love this song BTW) Anyway the 2290 is awesome sounding and the plugin gets 99% of it, but apart from the pedals (I found the Flashback boring and the FTT nice but a bit darker), all the rack delays sounded pretty close to my ears, at least for a "normal delay" use. I would have been curious to hear a comparison with the Nova delay too. It is highly underrated and IMO way better than the flashback

Love the huff solo

Man that free the tone is a killer

Great demo, MN! Could you tell us more about that chair?!?

T.C. Electronic's is some great equipment. Keep up all your great work. Paul Gilbert,made T.C. Electronic's big.

@ThemFuzzyMonsters

2 жыл бұрын

I love Paul Gilbert, but they weren’t waiting for him.

@NikolausBrocke

2 жыл бұрын

Are you sure is was Paul Gilbert? I don't think so. He used almost no effects.

The tones dreams are made of!!!!

I think I wanted u to sell your pcm 70 and it was a no at the time....still want it but the 2290 rips, been looking for one of those as well. Great job Mike😎

The wooden finish of your studio has caught my attention, very nice

@BigHairyGuitars

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

It was first unit with loops that you can connect in and out and call them by preset

Great video. Please do a Dyno My Piano tri-chorus comparison. Check out the Red Seven Lil Wave pedal.

Some Giant......nice. I use the EJ picks also. ;-)

I think you nailed the Giant song guitar solo.

free the tone flight time is awesome ! thanks for taking the time to compare it with its big father

You should be able to break a ground loop like that with either a DI box or a Morley/Ebtech Hum Eliminator. But great video as always, anyway. 🤘🏻

@BigHairyGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

You know, I did try an Ebtech. it wasn't making a difference. I'm sure with time I could have tracked it down, but I wanted to get to the fun.

@blondiespinknoize4627

2 жыл бұрын

@@BigHairyGuitars and fun is the most important thing in music :-)

This is my favorite Giant channel that isn't related to Giant or Dann Huff. I worked in a record store in 1989 when Last of the Runaways came out and we played it all the time. I need to practice.

My No1 delay unit in the world, just love those punchy echo's What riff is Michael playing @ 0728. having brain fade and can't think what it is

So many options!!! I still like the original the best.

I like my TC Electronic Nova delay pedal the baby version of the 2290

You’re one of the very few people who realizes that the name of the company is TC Electronic, not TC Electronics. You get extra points for that!

I thought the “Flight Time” delay sounded too weak, and sort of muffled. I think it was the Lexicon, sounded really nice and clear. I love lexicon, I have some Digitech pedals with the Lexicon chip in it and they sound really good. The TC Electronics plug-in sound has just a slight bit less in gain but this could also be the PC compressing something but it really sounds easier on the ears but that is because it’s compressing the highs and false harmonics more. The rack version sounds like it’s “letting it all out”, if you know what I mean. It sounds more articulate, l think that’s the word that I was looking for. We can hear the strings annunciate themselves more. Like EVH on his first 6 albums, on “Intruder” in particular, you can hear the sound of the wood, strings, frets, tremolo, springs, really prominently, more so than any rack that I have ever heard. The TC Electronics and Lexicon are so nice in that respect.

@Sickindian5

6 ай бұрын

Although I sold my unit 13 years ago I can’t agree more. 2290 sounds full and repeats are organic! I miss it. But can’t justify the price.

Yo, you should get the pedal version that just dropped and do a comparison 😅

Can't go wrong with a sequence of dream theater, queensryche and rush. Yeah, awesome!!!

Great video Michael. The 2290 delay effect is out of phase If the "DIRECT" button below "PAN" L.E.D. is NOT LIT.

@BigHairyGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

HOLY CRAP! I just found that in the manual! You're a wizard CMath!!!

The 2290 could and should have been upgraded to add features rather than discontinued. It could've had a line-level input so it could've fit promptly into amp effect loops, for example.

👍🇺🇲❤TC ELECTRONICS.......MAKES THE BEST RACK EFFECTS ( BEST TONE & FEEL )......PERIOD.

Dann Huff riff at 3:10? From the Giant album?

How does the 1210 compare to the rack ?? 😎

GOOD JOB BRO-SKI I ENJOYED THIS. I LOVE THAT TONE MAN! I'M GETTING READY TO PLUG IN AND BLOW THIS FUCKING ROOF OFF. I'LL TALK TO YOU WHEN I GET OUT OF JAIL. THANKS Jammin Jimmy J

I was going to comment earlier-but I was delayed!! ;)

6:00 I thought it did have that 1990 - ‘95 EVH tone. I was thinking, is he gonna play “Amsterdam - VH” ? It would sound good playing those tunes. If you put a flanger on there, it would sound like EVH playing “Cabo Wabo”.

There is no doubt that it IS the best delay ever! Those other boxes sounded great but compared to the 2290 they were flat as a sheet of paper. I have to say that the plugin is dam close.

Hey Mike, what's about a video of the Dytronics CS5?

@BigHairyGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

Tri Chorus is next week.

Sounds amazing. When you say “stereo pair” that means you’re using two of them?

@BigHairyGuitars

Жыл бұрын

Correct. Yes

One of the best units ever made on the Planet.

What riff is that the 4:20 mark 🤔. Total brain fart happening here 🤦🏼‍♂️. Great channel btw Michael!

@BigHairyGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. It's one of the tunes from Images and Words, Dream Theater. Under a Glass Moon, I think.

2:00 yes

Did Vai ever use this? It has a very Skyscraper feel to it. I know he was an Eventide guy, but this is eerily similar.

@tubo777

2 жыл бұрын

probably roland sde 3000 in that era for delays

@johndollard4189

2 жыл бұрын

@@tubo777 Ahhh...yes. Michael Nielsen had another video on the Vai delay tricks he used on the SDE 3000.

*HEAVY BREATHING*

22:32 AHA! the legendary yamaha NS10 monitor... ' just run out and buy a pair of yamaha NS10's, whether you like it or not that's not the point! '

@BigHairyGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

haha

SDE3000 sounds great too, they don't make em like they used to

So whats the closest thing in pedal form to the 2290 ?

@kalebaldwin5398

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know how close the sound is, but the old TC Nova delay did some of the same things, IIRC.

"Bring me EVERYONE!" :)

The 2290 puts a very distinct „krch“ onto the more pronounced pick attacks, the other hardware units less so, and the plugin feels like plastering a sticker version of it onto the signal. Is there a reason to have the input gain of the 290 so low, in the beginning setment?

thats the hess effect.

De la reconchhhhhhh

Here we go, vertigo...

...see you in my dreams....

I LIOKE SHTIS VIDOES!!! THUBBMERS UPPSERS!! TC CLECTRONC 2290 WILL DESTROY ALL CHAL;L;ENGERESW!!!! THANSK YOU AND THUBBM,ERS UPPERSES!!!!!

PCM42s + Prime Time II > 2290 ! ;P

Yep, They still don't make them like they use to. The 80's technology/ manufacturing process still rules for vibe IMO. I'm sure it has something to do with the modern age of thinner PCB tracks, and ROHS compliant, lead free soldering, which has degraded the tone slightly. The Free the Tone was pretty close though, and doesn't suffer from noise issues of old power supply capacitors, and scratchy sounding potentiometers, like most the 80's gear suffers from these days. A shame 35 years of tech, hasn't really improved things.

2290 rack and plug in. Even the flashback sounded good. Not a fan of how the Free The Tone sounded

The PCM 42 stole the show, IMO.

What's up dodger nation? Let's go blue!!!

None of those toys sound minimally close to a TC2290. Why? Because they do not use 1 MHz conversion, because they do not use analog feedback path thru multiple conversions, analog filters and phase inversion nor work at high voltage. You never know how a machine really works until you program it and learn its magic and tricks. 2 TC2290s at work here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qK5_s7mHp7HOn9Y.html and kzread.info/dash/bejne/l3uHsJd9fNXVk8o.html along with other masterpieces. IF you start programming a GOOD rack unit, here's how you bring the dynamic delay concept into the 21st century: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dKuD0cuHdai7gbw.html

I am shocked to find that the Free The Tone unit was my least favorite.

You need a Free the Tone Future Factory friend

Strymon DIG covers this territory very well indeed.

I have 3 of these … and wayyyyyyyy too much other gear, too … 🤦🏻‍♂️

@middle_pickup

2 жыл бұрын

Are they very consistent? I've wanted one for so long. They seem too good to be true.

@kierenmoore3236

2 жыл бұрын

@@middle_pickup Sound-wise, they are consistent, yes.

@BigHairyGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

😮😮😮