Always the best explained and most instructive guitar comparisons in the web - bravo!

Very informative, helpful and well done! I really appreciate the effort you guys make in developing these videos especially one as comprehensive as this posting. Thanks!

I love your honesty and your in-depth explanation of each guitar.

Great video. I'm a subscriber, always appreciate the info you share

Truly fabulous review. This has really helped my purchase. It’s 322 12 fret for me!

Truly fantastic video!

Fabulous video Chris!

You guys have such quality content! Great job explaining and great audio quality. Bravo 👋👋

the EXACT video I was waiting for, thanks - hearing the 812 series all together is great.

your playing on the 322ce was just beautiful

@kd5773

Жыл бұрын

And the guitar sounds incredible!

Thank you for this comparison. I’m now convinced that my next guitar will be the 322ce 14 Fret. Love the looks with the dark hardware, tone and size.

312 8:27 9:15 10:11 312 12fret 15:47 16:34 17:27 322 12fret 21:17 22:02 22:53 512 12fret 35:25 36:15 37:08 522 12fret 40:59 41:47 42:41

I played with a 512ce 12 fret at the Babcock store last week. If I had not already set my eye on the 327ce, I would have walked out with the 512ce. I was amazed at the sound coming out of the the 12 fret. Big sound, het small enough to be “fun” to bang around with.

Love these reviews! Not rushed and always informative. I have not been partial to Taylor's but several you have played recently have intrigued me. I am more partial to those that have more mid ranges like my Furch. When I get my next guitar, it will be from Alamo! And it will likely be one of these or the Trans Pacific These form a great connection with your customers. It's one that I have come to treasure and trust! Have you done any recording? I would love to know. These demonstrations sound so sweet!

I like how you compared the mahogany-topped guitar with a compressor. Makes sense, and well said.

Using the Grand Concerts for fingerstyle always convinces me the most.

Great review of Taylor Accoustics, particularly like the 812ce sounds amazing.. also can anyone tell me what the song is being played in Fingerstyle as i would like to learn it!

I have the 312, it is a lovely guitar to play. Its not as bright as it sounds here.

812ce 47:10 - 812ce 12fret 50:56 (Sorry, this comment is so I could listen to it back to back!)

Just wow! I’ll take a 512 12 fret.

When do you expect a 912ce 12-fret V-Brace becoming available?

That last one really sounded the best to me. Very subtle.

Phenomenons Demo!!!

8:27 - 15:47 - 21:17 - 25:45 (Comparison between spruce and mahogany top on a 12-fret for myself lol)

Are you using the same eq settings on the board for all guitars? The 322’s have a markedly greater low end response. You almost don’t need a bass player. I love the sound and the look.

@AlamoMusic

3 жыл бұрын

Yes!

Excellent presentation and coverage of the line. You do this better than anyone on the web. I’d like to comment on V bracing. I think putting it across the line is a mistake. On some guitars it’s fine, but not all the models. In some models, V class causes sound compression that takes away the low and mid range punch of X bracing. The compression also takes out some the sparkle in the overall tone. Offering V class as an option or on just the models were it works would be better. V class joins the other Taylor nothing burgers like that ridiculous sound port that does nothing, and the T5z which has never sounded like an acoustic no matter what they say.

Yeah, I'm not sold on "improved" intonation, but those are beautiful guitars that play well anyway :)

hey great video, taylor is a top brand, i really love the sound of these guitars. i own a baby taylor and a 114 . would you mind sending the tabs of the song you play in your videos please? cheers

Very nice video, but I'm not really understanding the explanation of the slotted headstock. Asthetics? Sure. But the other two reasons? Weight relief makes less sense with the shorter neck. Due to the 12 fret approach, the guitar is already less likely to be neck heavy. If anything, 14 fret guitars could benefit more from weight relief. I'm not really clear how the break ankle adds to any sort of "slinky" feel. The shorter scale length (24-7/8 vs 25-1/2) certainly does. Distance from nut to tuner might matter for bending notes if the the strings slid back and forth in the nut. But break angle? Not sure. But so what anyway. This video is highly informative. The presenter does a great job of showing the various model both verbally and through some very nice playing. Bravo!

@maraviyoso8473

3 жыл бұрын

According to Andy Powers, it was just for the aesthetics

@ericcollins1561

2 жыл бұрын

The slotted headstock allows for a sharper angle at the nut which helps keep the strings taught on the 12 frets.

812ce: I find the sound of the 12-fret more compact. Prefer it over the 14-fret.

@1funkybasslady

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting observation. Shows how folks' ears hear different things. I hear the opposite! I hear a fuller, rounder sound. Better yet is the 812ce 12-fret X-braced model. Best of all!

By far my favorite is the 322ce 14 Fret......

Can you make a review no the ibanez ae245 nt?

That boy can play 👍 Vote 322ce 14fret

Sounds good send me one! 😁

I need to learn this melody lol. Tabs pleaseeeee

What strings do Taylor guitars come set up with?

@Tamburo52

5 жыл бұрын

Elixir Nanoweb Phosphor Bronze. Not sure which gauge though.

@1funkybasslady

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tamburo52 Lights

Hi Chris! Debating between the GTe Urban Ash and the 312ce 12 fret. Is any of the two easier to play than the other one?

@RobbyWheelerGuitar

2 жыл бұрын

The GTe will likely be easier due to the smaller body and shorter scale length that leads to less tension on the strings for any given tuning

@sustainablelife1st

8 ай бұрын

I realize this was 2 years ago, but I started with the GTe and hated it. Boxy and dead. Switched to the 312 c2 12-fret. Love it. I'm a small person. 5'5" 110 lb. so the 12 fret scale is great for me.

Excellent presentation. BUT...what do Taylor's sales folks say to those of us who just bought a traditional bracing BEFORE intro of V brace? Buy another guitar!? Oh, the former bracing is inferior, just get our newer model!? Really...what do Andy and Bob say???

@1funkybasslady

3 жыл бұрын

Let your heart not be troubled! Be grateful you have an x-braced model rather than the new "lates t and greatest" V-class bracing. Let your ears be your guide. Search the YT video Taylor 812ce 12-fret X-braced vs X-class. PMT does a direct side-by-side comparison. The difference is stark. X- braced is much fuller with greater depth and articulation and sustain. V-class is relatively "sterile" by comparison. BTW, the claim that intonation is better with V-class is not so much. I have played (and have ordered) one of the remaining few X-braced Deluxe models, and I had absolutely no trouble with intonation all the way up the neck. I think once folks don't have a choice between the "old" X-braced models of Taylors and the new V-class models, perhaps they won't realize that there is a BIG difference, so they won't know what they are missing in the V-class. Just my opinion, mind you! I am VERY critical of tone in musical instruments, so bear that in mind. Many folks can't discern timbre differences, in which case they might not be affected by those differences. I am a Martin Dreadnaught (D-41 Re-imagined and D-45 Custom Shop Italian spruce/Madagascar rosewood) fan, so that big full sound is where my ears are coming from. That said, I absolutely fell in love with the X-braced Taylor 812ce 12-fret Deluxe. I also love the X-braced 612e 12-fret. I was blown away by how great that maple bodied axe sounded! Very even response across the strings with plenty of the depth my ears crave.

@edfulginiti8798

3 жыл бұрын

@@1funkybasslady thanx...good info... appreciate!

@lindyloulie80

3 жыл бұрын

@@edfulginiti8798 You're welcome! I'm one who researches virtually everything I'm considering for purchase. That's particularly true when it comes to expensive products, and especially musical instruments. Tone, intonation, playability, quality of craftsmanship, and reliability record/aftersale support are priorities. In musical instruments TONE is number 1. If an instrument doesn't sound good to my ears, and if its intonation/scale is not good, I don't go beyond that in my evaluation of it.

@matteo-nf1kv

3 жыл бұрын

None of this is true. The 12 frets are made much smoother and warmer by v bracing. Its really a great thing

32:51 37:07

why the shorter scale for 12 frets only?

@kayakingforthebirds2506

4 жыл бұрын

I think he said the scale length is the same between 12 and 14 frets in this series. The difference is that when you move the neck down two frets you also move the bridge down by the same distance, putting it into the center of the lower bout - a much better location for the bridge.

Sure am interested knowing what the nut size is on the 12 fret’s...

@C_L_Thomas

5 жыл бұрын

All of those specs are on the Taylor website. it's 1-3/4"

@C_L_Thomas

5 жыл бұрын

1-3/4"

Sure does like his Taylor’s doesn’t he???

Are Taylor V-Bracing the 600 series?

No 412?

New is not always better. I'm not a fan of V-Bracing, played several 814's w/v-bracing and they were lacking in lower end and mids. I own and play a 2010 814ce, 2006 810 BTO & 2009 GS Limited.

@1funkybasslady

3 жыл бұрын

I whole heartedly agree! See my posts above. I think Taylor is making a big mistake by abandoning the X-bracing in favor of the new V-class. As a Martin gal I never could warm up to what I considered the "trebly" Taylor sound -- until they modified the bracing called "Enhanced Performance" bracing. That made a huge difference. It gave their guitars more depth and warmth. So to my ears, the new V-class bracing takes those wonderful tonal characteristics away again. It is a step backwards.

@cbayardelle

5 ай бұрын

V bracing lack bottom end

@cbayardelle

5 ай бұрын

V bracing lacks bottom end

812ce 12 fret Deluxe X-braced is far richer/fuller in sound than the new V-class. If you don't believe it, check out the YT video by PMT which compares them side-by-side. I have played both, and I had no problem with intonation nor with sustain on the X-braced model. The V-braced instrument, when compared directly with the X-braced sounds sterile. If you only play the V-class guitar without comparing with X-braced, you might not realize what a huge difference there is. You just might think "something is missing" with the V-class. No meaning to rain on the V-class parade, just expressing my opinion as well as that of so many of my acoustic guitarist friends. Full disclosure: I am a dyed-in-the-wool Martin gal, so it is difficult for me to like many other guitars. That said, I REALLY like the X-braced 812ce 12 fret AND believe it or not, the x-braced 612e 12-fret! Beautiful guitars, in appearance, features and especially tonal response. I have to say I'm sorry to see Taylor abandon the X-braced construction. There is a reason that bracing pattern has historically been used in the world's greatest guitars.

@lindyloulie80

3 жыл бұрын

@@matteo-nf1kv A matter of opinion. Important to listen to that PMT and other reviews with high resolution headphones or buds. My ears - after 63 years as a professional musician - prefer the x-braced 812ce 12-fret by far. It has more depth and warmth. The comparison that Chris recorded between the 814ce 14-fret X- and V-class instruments surprised me. In that comparison I found the V-braced instrument quite nice, though not necessarily better than the x-braced guitar. Perhaps the larger body produced the full sound I like. That said, I still much prefer - and own - the x-braced 812ce 12-fret. If I want big sound I have two Martin Dreadnoughts - a D-45 Custom shop with madi back and sides and Italian spruce top, and a D-41 Reimagined. Have no need or desire for anything else. The guitar I play most? Taylor X-braced 812ce 12-fret. Love it for its rich, full balanced tone with great intonation and ease of playing. Does that answer your question to me?

16:34 - 22:03 Don’t mind me. Just comparing.

I still prefer the 14 fret

@sparklesbarbapapa5332

3 жыл бұрын

@@LoveMyCeline I wanna get the 512ce 14 fret when I have the money

@jsk8drummer

3 жыл бұрын

Same here. 12 fret is cool don’t get me wrong but I don’t understand the hype.

@bepitan

8 ай бұрын

@@jsk8drummer ...you may as well say the same about using a bridge instead of neck pick-up ...no hype just different bridge location.

These Taylors have so much bass... CHECKMATE

You forgot the 700’s

I have a Taylor 312. Not V braced. I think the V braced guitars sound good. OK, here is what I don't get. Why do Martin fans, some of them anyway, find it necessary to bad mouth the Taylor guitars? It isn't just Martin fans but they appear most obvious. Yes, Taylor guitars sound different, brighter. But I see that like differences in human voices. I like Bob Seeger a lot. I like the late Dan Fogelberg a lot. I like the late John Denver a lot. Wouldn't it be a shame if these singers sounded alike? They all made names for themselves but are so different. Live and let live.

31:12 35:30

I will be looking at a Martin GPC tomorrow. But I bet I will leave with a Taylor 314 CE. Nothing sounds like a Taylor. Nothing.

I still call bs on the “better intonation” claim. All harmonics are “in tune” as they are a result of a mathematical series. There are no accidental overtones or “out of tune” overtones. These harmonics are a huge part of instrument timbre. Taylor calling it “better intonation” is marketing semantic acrobatics. “Better intonation” is the title they give to the unique overtone series created by their bracing pattern and guitar.

@andrewhartnett2140

Жыл бұрын

Also, since when do we discuss intonation beyond the fundamental pitch. We don’t adjust the intonation of any harmonics when we make physical adjustments to our guitars. We are changing the fundamental. Harmonics certainly affect the sound, no doubt about that. Discussions of things like even and odd harmonics are common in the guitar amplification and effects worlds. Certain combinations of harmonics sound bad or unpleasant. We have all heard distortion sounds that we found irritating, likely due in part to the harmonic make up of that distortion. However, it wasn’t out of tune. Harmonics can’t be out of tune bc they are dependent on the fundamental being sounded at the time. Theoretically, bc guitar is polyphonic and multi stringed, you could have one string properly intonated, and thus “in tune”, while other strings are not. This has nothing to due with bracing thought. It would be the result of an non square guitar or misplaced saddle etc. I appreciate your content and work. I’m not looking to be particularly contentious but I was never one to just believe what someone tells me. Unless you have a physics based explanation of how this bracing can change intonation, I can’t buy it without some proof.

If it ain't Taylor I don't want it they are the best

Once you get a 12 fret you don’t want to play anything but a 12 fret.

Taylor went backwards with V bracing. Go back to X bracing. We dont want it.

@1funkybasslady

3 жыл бұрын

We don't want it, but Taylor wants to sell more guitars by introducing something "new and superior." NOT!

@ArielCardona

3 жыл бұрын

We?????????? I have two V bracing (and an X braced). I still live with them just fine.

@maraviyoso8473

3 жыл бұрын

Are you two persons?

The guitars look small coz youre so big lol

I wish you would play some different songs when playing & showing guitars instead of the same songs over & over.

@verdonv

5 жыл бұрын

I actually liked that the comparisons were pretty much the same... easier to compare the differences between just the guitars. We all learn differently, eh :-)

@1olddoggie

5 жыл бұрын

The idea is that we get to compare the tones more precisely. He does the same pieces because it shows how the guitar performs with different kinds of playing.

@simatbirch

5 жыл бұрын

Kelly Maxwell oh dear!

@1funkybasslady

3 жыл бұрын

You miss the point. If he plays the same thing over and over we are better able to tell the differences between the different guitars played the same way on the same songs.

@ArielCardona

3 жыл бұрын

Do you know what a REVIEW is and what a COMPARISON is? If not, you better be elsewhere.

I sure wish this guy knew how to play guitar. Instead of those garbage pretend to be bar chords that sound so awful. can you at least play a few real beautiful bar chords or something better than that horror that I am hearing.

@rosskstar

3 жыл бұрын

u haven't heard me play - "Seek Jehovah while he may yet be found"

The mic isn't placed well to get the real sound wrong mic...

Jesus just play the damn guitar that will tell us everything