if Trevon had a gun we would now see a black "boy" in jail for defending himself.

@SciCombat

8 жыл бұрын

W

@rockyea8562

7 жыл бұрын

The police would've killed him before he got to jail

@maderiabenson1865

6 жыл бұрын

Steven Marengo but he'd still be alive.

@mrlove7097

5 жыл бұрын

@@maderiabenson1865 no the police would have showed up and shot him

@markjones5757

Жыл бұрын

And that would've been a way better outcome.

the racism in america could be around for 500 yrs if we last that long, its so deep rooted, Slave owners ruined a whole race of people in America, i can feel black peoples anger

@TheTwister821

9 жыл бұрын

***** So..in your mind..that somehow justifies slavery? You'd be ok with being an Egyptian Pharaohs slave? Because everyone except the Pharaoh & his family were slaves..Race had nothing to do with it..

@klooger28

9 жыл бұрын

***** not everyone in egypt were slaves, the pyramids were built by skilled workers, not slaves

@TheTwister821

9 жыл бұрын

klooger28 They were slaves for generations, regardless of what skills they possessed..They were owned like livestock..You also have to feed & water, take care of your livestock..RIGHT?

@klooger28

9 жыл бұрын

***** i meant skilled workers in that they were paid to construct the pyramids, if they were slaves that wouldnt be true

@TheTwister821

9 жыл бұрын

klooger28 Slaves definitely built the pyramids ..there is NO doubt/question that they did. They didn't own land .or slaves themselves. Just because someone has skills? Doesn't mean they weren't the property, slave or oppressed by the Pharaoh..That's who the pyramids were built for..the Pharaoh..

I just saw some film clips about the Black Panthers. The Panthers carried guns in public, which was legal. Conservative white politicians went on TV saying "I have nothing against deer hunters, but when you have groups of lunatics carrying carrying guns if public, I think the laws need to be changed." My how things change.

@saintclaire7837

7 жыл бұрын

hypocrites...most whites are, thats why they get nominated more than blacks at the grammy awards.

@saintclaire7837

7 жыл бұрын

they are pretenders.

Not to dredge up old arguments, but I remember everyone talking about the idea that Zimmerman would try to use the "stand your ground" law as his defense. Interestingly he didn't. Thinking about it some more I came up with my own theory which was basically that in this scenario that Zimmerman was the antagonist (because he is the one who confronted Martin) and that Martin was in fact standing his ground. No one in the media ever brought up that point. I mean if the whole point of stand your ground was supposed to be the ability to defend yourself rather than flee then Martin was absolutely justified in his actions and Zimmerman using deadly force because a kid was beating him up should have at least raised a discussion over it. As for the whole thing my take is real simple. Zimmerman had no right to try to detain Martin. Martin had no idea who this guy was as he had zero authority. Zimmerman was fully aware that he was armed. Zimmerman has a history of pulling his guns out on people (including family and loved ones). Does anyone think for a second that he wouldn't have pulled the gun out and try to say something stupid like "citizen's arrest" in a Barney Fife-esque manner? Zimmerman is a loser and a punk who uses guns to put himself into situations that he's not man enough to handle on his own. The simple fact is that the prosecution blew it by going for 2nd degree murder which was not going to happen with the evidence at hand. If they would have went for the appropriate charges he would have been convicted, but they tried to make a statement or something and it cost them a conviction of a man that was responsible for the needless death of someone else. And one other thing that no one else brought up. Zimmerman walks around with his gun everywhere and even killed someone. One of the major gun factories has him over for a tour. The whole NRA is behind him. Yet when the pictures of Martin with a gun were shown he was called a thug. Just more hypocrisy.

@BenjaminEvans-gd3ms

8 жыл бұрын

+ashasha3 I believe the prosecution deliberately threw the case(based on their statements to the media and the way it was handled.)

@TheTwister821

8 жыл бұрын

I said that from the very beginning

Don't just attack O Reilly -Smiley is a racist as well. . Blacks DO have serious problems in their own neighborhood. .Damn i was in one of the "hoods" in California. What a joke. Arm everyone with a can of paint, a garbage bag and a scraper and the neighborhood would look like an upscale white working neighborhood. Instead everyone sits around posing watching gangsta rap videos aspiring to be the next toothless pimp.. My mother would beat me if i sat around and left messes all over like they do in those neighborhoods and would attack me if I DARED get someone pregnant and not take care of the kid at all. .

@robertmike57

10 жыл бұрын

Smiley grew up in a nearly all white small town out in the sticks. His mom would had never allowed him to get tattooed or smoke dope at age 16.

@justin200567890

10 жыл бұрын

I agree there is a problem with all kids with the rap music and acting like gangsters but in these "hoods" they really think its cool to be what these rappers portray shooting off guns and everything and the violence. Now I like some rap music and I used to be a young kid and drive fast and play it loud and maybe vandalize acting stupid but we never actually wanted to hurt anyone in my little town. I dont know what the problem is but I do know that pretty much everyone in thier lives has had racist thoughts or said racist things its just part of life Im white I have experienced racism its part of life its not something that only happens to one group of person it happens to everybody in life.

@TrixtersMommy

10 жыл бұрын

Bob Belson, maybe if you had even the slightest clue, you would start by trying to figure out WHY this is happening in America... You would also realize that there are just as many areas in this country where whites live the same damn way. Open your mind just a little... do some research and actually learn instead of putting your ignorance on full display, overgeneralizing people and simplifying REAL problems by pretending the REAL causes don't exist.

@BobBelson

10 жыл бұрын

Bobbi Nunyabiz..I have travelled all over this country. I have travelled all over Europe and I have travelled Sub Saharan Africa. Bobbi. In addition, My parents divorced when I was very young and my mother became ill, forcing us on welfare for a brief time. I was working at 14 thanks to a government program called CETA. Don't underestimate and generalize yourself. I think I have a clue. i was disgusted by the California "hood" . Many people there are lazy and posers based on what I saw -not what i imagined . . No disrespect was intended. The real estate there is too high priced and bottles up some of the cash flow . I think Oreilly and Smiley are opposite sides of the same coin. The title of this thread was what puzzled me and why I replied after listening to the dialog . had the title simply had been "Oreilly and Smiley debate race" I would have passed this right by because their views are both tainted by their constituency. .

@justin200567890

10 жыл бұрын

Bob Belson In my defense it is not my job to discover the solutions to peoples problems who I dont know or care about and I have my own life and problems to deal with so Im sorry I dont have the time to go out and understand why people act like thug gangster rappers. I know its a problem of all races typically young males as far as I can tell its their mindset and they pose like these rappers they think are HARD and COOL on TV when in reality they arent shit they dont sacrifice shit for there own betterment and I dont have the time to give a fuck. Starve to death for all I give a fuck there if you want to be a loser go ahead get the fuck out of my wat though you whiney cunts and stay away from what I love and have sacrificed for or I will blow your brains out. Its really simple figure it out yourself and leave me alone everybody.

I love O'Reilly's stupid smirk and condescension as though he is all wise and knowing.

@acool6401

8 жыл бұрын

I like the way you put that because it's so true. I think that behavior is actually rooted in a deep seated insecurity and fear that he will be exposed so he over compensates by trying to act so coy and cunning as if he is all knowing and beyond the intellect of his guests. It's as if he was thinking...I must be all knowing otherwise Fox Network would not place so much faith in me and give me a show of my own.

Zimmerman got away with murder period. Shameful

The NRA didn't "advocate" that either person in the Travon Martin incident be armed. What they generally advocate is the right of every law abiding citizen to own a weapon of his choice to help him defend himself against an aggressor. Travon was the party who confronted Z, not the other way around. Z was headed back to his truck after being told by the 911 dispatcher, "We [the police] don't need you to do that [follow Martin]." It was Martin who then accosted Z and challenged him with direct words and threats, and then proceeded to throw a punch and jump on top of Z with fists flying. Martin was the aggressor all day long, and Z was judged to be within his rights to shoot Martin to stop the attack.

Arm every black person in America. Did the chickens just come home to roost or was that the NRA I just heard in the chicken house.

@arvertabuchanan2660

8 жыл бұрын

ainthurtinnobody: I'm with YOU: the chickens ARE coming home to roost! Cluck cluck, lolol. I am in no way trying to make light of this thread, it's more along the lines of "laughing to keep from crying." I am an AMERICAN citizen of African descent, of a particular age. It's ABSURD to hear the apologetics justifying the cold blooded MURDER of African Americans...

@Phil1stalk

7 жыл бұрын

You forgot (or NOT) to say, "(murders) BY BLACKS". Please complete the complete thought here!

O'LIEly just got slammed!! LOL

@MrDolvar

10 жыл бұрын

lol, no, he actually did not. Even in a stacked video clip to go against him you and every other idiot with the IQ of a jack rabbit listening to it with their own ears should be able to realize that Bill absolutely "slammed!!" Tavis Smiley... Everything Tavis said was countered very nicely and beat down by Bill, common sense, and logic. Go watch the actual interview instead of being brain washed like the coward you are. Go learn something before posting your ignorance all over the internet. You will forever go down in history and be remembered and someone thousands of years from now will be able to see this and laugh their butt off at how stupid you and 90% of every other liberal sound.

@hinglemccringleberry149

10 жыл бұрын

Scott Romero So the statistic mentioned that black people and white people both use drugs at the same rate per capita and yet black people are arrested four times as often isn't a thing? Also Bill does advocate often on his program that everyone should have a gun but is a bit hesitant about every black person having a gun. And the point that the source of oppression of black people is other black people is bullshit. That's not whats generating unequal employment, pay, etc. I understand that there is more context to this but common to say Bill was actually giving common sense in those clips is bullshit.

@OneLoveDrew

10 жыл бұрын

I love the nickname you gave him! :D

This is a perfect example of why I love Tavis Smiley. He is resonable, rational, highly intellegent and all that is reflected in his speach. I wonder if every black person conducted themself as Tavis did, would O'reilly still have a problem with them??

Luv me some Tavis Smiley!

We need all these guns in America. That way we can have a stockpile when the zombie apocalypse arrives. It'll be like Resident Evil where you can find bullets laying on the streets.

@akeho85design

10 жыл бұрын

If you've ever read Max Brooks Zombie Apocalypse (I recommend as it's more valuable than the Bible to me), it says that guns are possibly the most dangerous weapons for a zombie apocalypse. A gun shot has a noise range of one-two miles in a silent area, so the zombies in that radius will all be attracted to it. What America needs is to replace all the guns with axes or broad swords. That way you can decapitate a zombies head silently, effectively and without alerting multiple roamers (or runners, boomers, tanks... depends if you play L4D).

@Keithguy87

10 жыл бұрын

A KeHo Design Basically we need medieval Europe, not a chance zombies.

@Reofenja

10 жыл бұрын

Personally, I like my Defender. A cinderblock attached to a biker chain that you swing around.

@akeho85design

10 жыл бұрын

Keith Brown Exactly! Think King Arthur, except with zombies.

Wow. O'Reilly was busted big time on that one.

@mst3KGf

10 жыл бұрын

Truthfully, it isn't that hard to do. O'Reilly is not only stupid (who can forget his "tide goes in, tide goes out, you can't explain that" disaster?), he's also insanely thin-skinned and tends to go nuclear when anyone confronts him. So making a fool out of him has become something of a tradition.

@Xmystic811

10 жыл бұрын

No I think he was baffled with bullsh*t.

I (pale-skinned guy) lived in "the hood" in Oakland for 5 years, because that's what I could afford. I was never threatened by the criminals doing their business out on the street - because they assumed I was a cop, and told me so. The cops, on the other hand, scared the crap out of me. 20 years earlier, this was the center of Black Panther territory. I'd have felt much safer with them patrolling the streets, than the white cops.

Chicago's recent rise in murders in black and Hispanic communities has much to do with the drug trade. The Mexican cartels have a significant presence and a lot of power over the gangs' drug industry, and many of the murders are gang/drug related. I hate when people bring up Chicago and have no clue about this. In Chicago most crimes are linked to money, economics, just like most crimes in general. The only people I know to do sick crimes without payment are, unfortunately, whites: Gacy, Dahmer, Speck, etc., etc, etc. They also rank high in killing their own relatives.

VOTE BERNIES SANDERS 2016 AND LIZ WARREN...PRESIDENTS OF AMERICA...BERNIE 2016.

OK, as an black NRA supporter he makes a REALLY good point here!

@TheChoujinVirus

10 жыл бұрын

btw is it true that the NRA is in a bit of in-fighting amonst themeselves?

I am a Legal concealed weapon carrier, and white, I have sat in several Conceal Carry Classes with black men and women, if they have no criminal record they can carry a LEGAL concealed weapon just like anybody else. The "criteria" for legally carrying a weapon is the same for all races. So, what is the point?? In Chicago proper it is ILLEGAL for any civilian to conceal carry or so I have been told. I haven't been there in years. But it is the ILLEGAL CARRIERS in Chicago that are causing the problems in that City. BB

frankly, I'm far more afraid of drunken white shirtless, frat boys in baggy shorts, backwards baseball caps, then I am of young black men, armed with Snapple and skittles.

@Phil1stalk

7 жыл бұрын

You left out Sour Apple lollipops! XD

I think black people without mental issues, or criminal records should have guns of they want them.

@wickedninja8599

10 жыл бұрын

I seriously hope you aren't trying to twist my words. There are no lines to read between in my statement. I was not saying that, and you know that. Don't try to twist my words.

@wickedninja8599

10 жыл бұрын

The video makes the distinction about all black people having guns. I commented on that. Who would waste the times mentioning every race when the video is about black people? You are saying because I didn't mention other races, that this automatically means I was saying I am fine with felons, and mentally ill people of other races should have guns. This is what is referred to as a fallacy argument, and it is invalid as an argument. If this is how you argue then you need to get more educated on how to properly debate without using a fallacy argument to make your points.

@wickedninja8599

10 жыл бұрын

What do you get out of this childish argument? You know full well that I was not saying what you construed my words into. You know I was not implying this (I assume you are not that foolish). I commented on the video's topic which was black people (you can watch it again and see that this was the topic.) This argument is fallacious on your part. I am not playing the word/meaning game with a person who is of sound mind to understand what I meant in my initial post. I may be giving you more credit than you feel you deserve, but I feel you are smarter than what you are putting on with the semantics game.

@justingriffith6394

10 жыл бұрын

You do realize your replying to yourself right?

@wickedninja8599

10 жыл бұрын

Justin Griffith There was another person who was fighting me. They must have either been suspended from KZread, or deleted their comments.

Sorry, YoungTurds, but it's not simply "@04:48...O'reillys theory", no, it's how the facts read. Now go do your homework and don't forget to deal with the facts.

@BloodTar

10 жыл бұрын

A theory, is the best "educated guess" based on known facts (observations). However, in and of itself a theory is NOT a fact.

@Snark900

10 жыл бұрын

BloodTar Sorry it depends on wether your talking about the word theory in popular use then your right, or if your talking about theory as a scientific term where it is as close to absolute as a scientist will go, the theory of gravity is a good case in point. Newtons mathematics works for pretty much everything and worked well enough to land on the moon, but it is wrong and has been modified by work done by Einstein. Anyway two very different things both called theory.

@EKon235

10 жыл бұрын

BloodTar You think arming Blacks is a bad idea?? You don't think Trayvon would have been arrested if he'd killed that thug in defence of his life?? Anyway, you care to tell us what these 'facts' are?? Also, whether black americans murder each other is beside the point. That's never been the concern of white americans and isn't now...either yours nor o'riely's. He (and I'll go as far as you, too) would and do welcome that prospect, however false it may be. What IS the point here is how the people in authority (vastly white europeans) execute the laws that govern all of us. Laws which are granted to them with the consent of everyone...black americans included. When those laws are discharged with prejudice....preconceived or not...to systematically mistreat the black americans of this country, they have every right to withdraw their consent and openly flaunt them. So, they really should arm themselves...and murder every white cop ,judge and juror that tries his/her best to discharge his/her 'duties' in the open. I guarantee you idiots like oriely will not deflect the issue any longer.

@BloodTar

10 жыл бұрын

EKon235 You know, if I were black and felt as you do about the rule of white Europeans over me.....I'd move to a continent, say Africa, where I could throw that excuse of blaming whitey for all my woes, away.

@nikki0751

10 жыл бұрын

***** seems like they got this one right. Bill couldn't prove that there isn't discrimination against black men in this country. As a matter of fact neither has anyone else. Hmmmm.....food for thought.

The point about Trayvon not having a gun and the NRA not pointing that out is an excellent point I hadn't thought about. Thanks Young Turks.

For many years, I have argued with anti-gun-control advocates and I have pointed out that "since young Black males are the primary victims of gun violence, we should arm every young Black male". That usually ends the debate with vile language being tossed at me. FreddieVee

What a ridiculous straw man, if Cenk had bothered to check he would know that the current poster boy for the NRA is Colion Noir a black guy who also happens to be attorny of law. And he, along with the NRA absolutely think as many black people should be armed as possible especially in areas like Chicago so they can legally protect themselves. And the travon story? He attacked zimmerman, he got what he deserved.

@richardstroker6733

10 жыл бұрын

No room for logic and facts here, sir. These race-baiting ultra liberals won't listen to any of that.

@MadMax052

10 жыл бұрын

***** So because such a moronic idea actually exists to arm everybody, all of the sudden it's not moronic? Yep that's so logical and smart of you. Less people will die if everybody has guns!It's incredible how stupid Americans can be... It truly amazes me............

@srspower

10 жыл бұрын

MadMax052 I am not American, in America there are more firearms than people. They aren't going anywhere so it is absolutely true that if more civillians are armed and trained legally to protect themselves there will be less violence. Look at every state in the US? Without exception those with the tightest gun control have the most violent gun crime.

@Praevalere

10 жыл бұрын

***** It's a good thing we aren't mislabeling our correlations here. "The U.S., which is so often labeled as the most violent nation in the world by gun control proponents, comes in 7th--behind Russia, Estonia, Lativa, Lithuania, Belarus, and the Ukraine" www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/08/27/Harvard-Study-Shows-No-Correlation-Between-Strict-Gun-Control-And-Less-Crime-Violence We can thank a genuine lack of gun control that the US is only 7th behind almost entirely bottom 30 HDI countries. The rate of gun deaths/gun ownership per capita between Russia and Finland, the two most diametrically opposed nations in life satisfaction index is 1:100 in favour of Russia. What does this mean? Obviously the trend in the data to you is that more gun ownership = less gun death. Let's take some more isolated variables, if we go far enough eventually I can prove nothing exists! Surprise me again advocates...

@MadMax052

10 жыл бұрын

***** For the most part, people aren't just going around gunning down innocent people for no reason. Every case like that is in the media for weeks so it seems as thought that's a big factor. Innocent people just being gunned down by criminals, or other normal people isn't the main problem when talking about gun deaths. That plays such a small roll in the overall number of gun deaths, it's insignificant when compared to gang violence and cop killings. The cops are already killing too many innocent people. What do you think is going to happen once EVERYBODY has a fucking gun? Do you think the cops will even hesitate to gun someone down if for a split second they think they could be armed? I'm sure that once every idiot has a gun the paranoia will go down, and there will be way less people shooting each other right? The thought process isn't "Oh, I'd better not shoot him, because he might have a gun!" That makes no fucking sense! It'll be more like "I'd better shoot that guy before he shoots me! because everybody has a gun around here!" Please explain to me what you disagree with in the above to statements in quotations, and reveal your lack of common sense.

LOL blacks started the "knock-out-game". Lets arm them... very intelligent.

@jela1277

10 жыл бұрын

Yes, every black person got together to start the knock out game, fucktard.

@MrMZaccone

10 жыл бұрын

The knockout game is an urban legend. The attacks in question were random and unrelated.

@deceiver123m

10 жыл бұрын

Yes, that knockout game. That symbolizes a big portion of "hood" culture. I grew up in the hood, lets not kid ourselves here.

@MrMZaccone

10 жыл бұрын

***** The attacks in question are isolated incidents, that's all I'm saying. Representing it as a trend or organized activity is media hype. If I'm wrong, show me the pattern of incidents and police reports demonstrating it.

@unrealGoon

10 жыл бұрын

The people who created the game were not even black its just some recent sightings of the game have been (dumb) black teens... get your facts bro

Bill O'Rielly, is not a strong supporter of the second amendment. He offers far to many "reasonable restrictions" that are a direct curtailment of the right to keep and bear arms. In my opinion he believes that it would be dangerous to allow people to indiscriminately exercise this constitutionally protected right. In this position be becomes one of the elitists that he so often, and rightly so, scorns. I agree this one time with Mr. Smiley . Follow the law and allow every black person, who is not a prohibited possessor, to own and carry a gun. I recommend this for all US citizens regardless of their ethnicity.

Bill's O Reily and the majority of America is so devoid from reality it's unreal. I used to be of the view "why don't black people just sort themselves out" but when you look at organisations like COINTELPRO, and the Tulsa race riots i.e. the "blackwall street". It seems every time they do sort themselves out the FBI or system deliberately undermines there progress. It's hard to make progress, when the organisations that should be protecting you, are working against you :/.

Travon was the aggressor, he threw the first punch. He got what he deserved. Charges weren't filed because there was never evidence to back up the charge. I think law abiding blacks should be able to carry guns

@Hughster49

10 жыл бұрын

***** You need to look up the meaning of the word " stalker". GZ did not stalk TM, he followed him because he believed he might be involved in recent criminal activity in that neighborhood. TM didn't know GZ had a gun until he was shot. Just because you believe someone is following you, does not give you the right to assault them, straddle them and beat their head into the concrete. GZ is not white, your fake race card is invalid. TM had just bought skittles and Arizona watermelon drink to make "lean", a narcotic drink that makes one paranoid and aggressive! TM's girlfriend said that TM attacked GZ because he though he was gay.

@Hughster49

10 жыл бұрын

"you don't have the right to follow people", show me the law to back up that statement. "it was wrong of GZ to initiate a confrontation" TM had plenty of time to make it to his dads house, he circled back to ambush GZ. TM is the one who confronted GZ. TM had a phone is his hand, if he though GZ was a threat, he should have called the police, he had no legal right to punch GZ. In TM's phone texts, he talked about making "fire ass lean". TM's Autopsy showed liver damage consistent with the use of lean

@Hughster49

10 жыл бұрын

To legally stalk someone, the behavior has to be "obsessive" ,not a one time occurance. You said it yourself, TM "he didn't act rationally", and it got him killed!

@daspoloyah

10 жыл бұрын

If TM was that scared and not doing something wrong why didn't he call the cops? Why was he out after dark... wasn't he just kicked out of school for multiple fights and drugs. If he could have been taught that education and treating people with respect is right would he even be in this neighbor hood that was getting vandalized in the first place? Both parties in this situation where in the wrong. Live by the sword die by the sword. We need to be focusing on education and basic humanity in our less privileged neighborhoods.

@Hughster49

10 жыл бұрын

The only thing proven since Zimmerman's acquittal is, he attracts crazy women!

Tavis has the passion and the truth behind him. I cannot see why people spend time dealing with Bill O crazy!

Man Tavis trapped Bill O'Reilly up perfectly. Of course Tavis doesn't believe all blacks should be armed, but Bill dismissed it as crazy talk!!! When these are the same conservatives pushing for less restrictive gun laws. You people are funny!

Double standard!

It is the Government that decides who is allowed to have a gun and who isn't allowed to have a gun. It is the Obama administration that decided recently to add a second question about race on a form 4473... are you Hispanic? They ask you if you are Hispanic in the question that is right after the question that asks, "what race are you?". So they ask what race you are not once, but twice. If you lie on either question you can be sent to prison for the crime of perjury. Then, after answering these questions, the gun dealer is requried to gall the ATF and tell them what the potential buyer said on the form. Based on what is on the form, the ATF decides if the person should get a gun or not. I do not understand what the NRA has to do with Travon's inability to get a gun. The NRA has NEVER asked for a law that gave preference to race. There is no mention of race on the NRA membership application form and, unlike the ATF and the Obama administration, the NRA does not discriminate against any race. Travon Martin could have applied for NRA membership if he wished and would gladly have been accepted as a member. Travon Martin was prohibited by both Florida State and also Federal law from owning a handgun.

SAVE THE REPUBLIC. Every day, we try to move past and beyond racism, we don't teach our children to dislike anyone we teach them according to the Bible, it begins with do unto others as you would have them do unto yourself respect those who are our elders, respect those who respect you and don't forget who you are. People will judge you and see you as something that your not always be yourself and the rest will take care of itself. So if you find yourself scared of black people maybe you should ask what has this black person done to me that I makes me feel like this.

@solomonwherry8879

5 жыл бұрын

Pete Wilkerson it all starts at HOME, NAT TURNER IS ONE OF MY HERO'S

Fuck Bill and his Fox Freak outs. The whole incident is their fault with their crazy ass pro gun fear mongering for money and votes. The TEA ASSHOLES are the root cause of these incidents.

O'Reilly must feel great. He's never wrong.

No, according to the EVIDENCE and the police, Trayvon violently attacked Zimmerman. . .Why do you think the police didn't arrest him that night? Because they believed his account of what happened, and the evidence fit what Zimmerman said. And the lead investigator in court said "I believed everything he (Zimmerman) said". So I don't know what the hell you're talking about. As usual someone spouting off things that are NOT facts.

Travis Smiley has important points to make.

First, they have to earn it. Buy it themselves. Do not give it to them or you become a "Gun Stamps" program. Second, you do not simply give everyone a gun. It is a personal choice that they themselves must decide upon. Not everyone is built and ready to accept the responsibility of carrying a firearm nearly every day Tavis Smiley.

This comment is for black people in the U.S... All of the talking points in this video, are valid. Even though they are talking truths, these points are not what should be at your utmost need. You are too distrusting of each other. You must return to a co-operative community type. You don't have to be friend with each other, but must be focused of instill in the minds of the children, the importance of inflection before reflection. You own about 1% of business in the U.S and haven made into (and with the help of your input), been made to be the laughing stock of much of the earth's. You are awaiting for a savior who seems unable to hear you. Nobody is coming to save you because the savior is you. STOP concentrating about what what should be gotten, by those that dislike you. At any level, you must begin pooling your money into YOUR formed "corporations". And be vigilant to never give control of your corporations to others. Every other group of people seem to find a way to form business alliances with each other and we must do the same. (You continue to play checkers while everyone else seems to be playing chess.) After the 60's, the 'Jim Crow' strategy was altered so as to maneuver within your demand for "Civil-Rights". You have now placed/coerced yourself into a position where, you must become independent communities. You NEED your own lending institutions. Your children are unceremoniously not being ushered in as young men and women by the communities. You must bring back ceremonies for the entering of manhood and womanhood. Or leave it up to deviating minds in your communities who are satisfied with the way things are.

If you dont want to get killed, dont assault someone, especially if they have a gun.

Started watching your channel today. Loving it so far. Thanks.

Bill O'Reilly has never said that ALL people should be armed ALL THE TIME. O'Reilly also never said that there was no discrimination against blacks in America, he just said that blacks were part of the problem too. And are you saying that the black-on-black violence in this country is NOT genocide? What is it then?

hmmmmm, interesting, did O'Reilly also point out that the majority of blacks who do not commit crimes, are sent to jail for something they didn't do? For every Morgan Freeman, there is a Kurtis Jackson

True. Trayvon would be alive but Zimmerman dead. So what's the point? Trayvon would've used it as a first defense, as opposed to Zimmerman using it as a last resort. Trayvon instigated this entire fight and yelled out "you're gonna die tonight". Why the hell are we still talking about this? GET OVER IT PEOPLE. MOVE ON TO OTHER THINGS LIKE BLACKS WHO DIE AT THE HANDS OF BLACKS. JESUS!

I think black people and muslim should be united against racism

@solomonwherry8879

5 жыл бұрын

AFGHAN NATION ... Ain't know Question..off top, and The Indian, And Hispanic

Even with Americas' 1st Black (bi racial) President as a role model, gangsta rapp music remains the BIGGEST obstacle to Black/Brown youths assimilating to American society. Walking around in public with your pants under your ass basically says " I dont respect your values as a society because Im COOL". People like Smiley, who has a national audience, should spend every day of his show telling these kids to show RESPECT to society because thats the ONLY way society will respect them.

"That's a little extreme". Bill showed true character with those 4 words.

not at all. Zimmerman's own videorecorded statement to police says he followed him for 3/4 mile, first in a vehicle, then on foot, refused to identify himself or what he wanted twice, then reached in his pocket threateningly, only after which Martin struck him in self defense. how do you explain the fact that Zimmerman knelt on Martin's back after he shot him, pressing out the air & blood, & held his hands away from the wound? Or that he wasnt charged manslaughter/stalking/harassment/disorderly?

Governor Reagan saw “no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” he also called guns "“ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will.” He also said that the Mulford Act “would work no hardship on the honest citizen.” So I gather that gun laws are "tyrannical" unless we're talking about Black folks, then it's OK.

as a black male i'm sure you know what neighborhoods to stay out of..most older black's would rather live in white majority neighborhoods..in fact that is just what they do when the opportunity appears..take Lebron James..when he became wealthy do you think he bought a home in a black neighborhood..of course not..he choose and all white neighborhood..just like Oprah..Al Sharpton..Toure..etc..all choose to live in majority white neighborhoods..they must love being near their oppressors huh

Shouldn't use Treyvon as an example. Treyvon was no angel either. Zimmerman was in fact proven to have shoot Treyvon by self defense. The only questionable/immoral action was why the F did Zimmerman follow Treyvon. If Treyvon had a gun... Zimmerman would have been dead... and Treyvon would have been locked away for a long time... so... bad example!

@bickerin

8 жыл бұрын

Well, you are right in a way; however, I guess the argument will go against the NRA if some guy got killed just for following another person. I guess what I'm saying is that it would be tough to win a Stand Your Ground case for an African American kid that shot a man just for following him--because all Zimmerman did (given the benefit of the doubt).

Tavis popped O'Reilly's bubble . Lol !!!

Bill O'Reilly suffers from two nightmares: 1. Every Black person in America with a gun. 2. The conditions of his court settlement for sexual harassment is divulged.

I'm a white European and you are wrong and I agree with BrickCityKingz. Go ahead and call me a racist, reality doesn't change just because you don't like it.

Lol. It wasn't IMPOSSIBLE to prove a murder charge. He DID commit the murder. The case came down to a jury making a judgement of self defense.

All Shiping said was that Trayvon was shot and killed by the bullet wound.... something obvious. And Trayvon's motive? I couldn't fit it in the character limit. His motive was originally to go home until he encountered Zimmerman. Just as Zimmerman's motive was the same until he encountered and followed Trayvon (which I admit was foolish, but not illegal). Zimmerman's motive was not to stalk and kill some black kid unlike Sharpton and all the other clowns at MSLSD would have you believe.

Blacks are treated differently by Police I saw it first hand on one of my trips to the USA, I was in a car waiting in traffic two young black kids maybe between 8-12 they were neatly dressed well groomed and behaving a Cop comes out of nowhere grabs both kids by their collars and said words to the effect "What are you doing in this area I told you I don't want to see you in this fucking neighbourhood (it was the one I was staying in Burbank) he really rough handled them and was yelling the poor kids were terrified and I am sure scared and scarred by the incident. Will these kids grow up respecting Law Enforcement I don't think so it was a shock and an embarrassment to see and if I were a US citizen I would have said something to the cop but I was helpless and I felt like such a shit for not doing anything but in reality what could I do I was barely an adult myself and didn't want to get kicked out of the country? Another thing I'd like to mention is I have been to the us quite a few times and whenever I have needed a hand say for directions it's ALWAYS been a black person to offer help always it's never been one of my "kind" there is a stereotype of Blacks and it isn't always too accurate. You treat someone like a criminal for long enough they may just start behaving like one.

What a great point. I can't possibly imagine how someone would value the life of a 7-year old kid who's done nothing wrong and was shot for no reason, over the life of a 17-year old thug who got shot while he was beating a guy nearly to death. They're exactly the same. What racism!

As I suggested to Strandwolf, if you believe that slaves had rights, take a few minutes and look up "Virginia Code of 1705", "Black Codes", "Pig Laws", "Peonage". Slave abuse was the law of the land. As for Christopher Columbus, there was no inoculation from diseases back then. No one said it was puposeful but that in addition to the barbaric treatment of the natives helped complete the genocide.

Him saying "that's a little extreme" says it all.

I am all for gun control but Trayvon was hardly innocent. The children at Sandy Hook were between 5 and 10 years old and could not have even comprehended the type of atrocity perpetrated against them. They were also murdered in cold blood - nobody even suggests for a second that the Adam Lanza thought that a single one of those kids threatened his life or anybody's safety. Those slain were murdered before they had a chance to make any of life's decisions for themselves and the survivors had their innocence and childhood taken away. Trayvon (aka "No Limit Nigga" on twitter) was hardly a model of innocence. He displayed a hatred of white people and called women sexually degrading names. George Zimmerman says that Trayvon was attacking him and he was assigned as the guard for the housing community. Neither Zimmerman nor Martin had any business being there but Trayvon was hardly innocent and cannot he compared to the children at Sandy Hook. I found it interesting that when blonde-haired freshman student John Sanderson was murdered in cold blood at his Ole' Miss dorm room by three blacks, Obama never said that his son would have looked like John Sanderson. Why should presidents and national movements go on witch hunts over local law enforcement issues? If blacks really cared, they could have shown sympathy for all murder victims, including young Mr. Sanderson. And they could fight for the things that really hurt them, like Republican cuts to food stamps and education. Even Democrats like Rahm Emmanuel closed 57 mostly-black schools in Chicago but there was no national outrage. I'm a Democrat and Obama supporter but even I think that this whole Trayvon obsession is a bunch of bullshit.

Who brings firearms in the black community? Who taught blacks to hate each other?

Tavis spoke well. We need to think about what he said!

"a larger figure on a smaller one" yes Trayvon Martin was 6'2" and Zimmerman was 5'8" the weight difference was 175 vs 200. not much difference there either. and I wasn't even referring to that, but that proves my point as well. It was forensic pathologist Dr. Vincent Di Maio, who is a gunshot wound expert who confirmed that Trayvon had to have been on top of Zimmerman. And he punched him in the face once and then slammed his head into the concrete! what marks would that leave on his hand?!

Im black, n i want a gun. To defend myself. The NRA supports that!

Get that man a tv show i would watch it

name one...high poverty majority white neighborhoods (such as those found in and around Boston) have no where near the high crime rates found in majority black neighborhoods..there is absolutely no comparison...tell me..why was there no dramatic rise in crime during the Great Depression...almost everyone was financially suffering but yet no rise in crime..its time this fallacy that poverty causes crime is exposed..

the point is: if trayvon had a gun, killed zimmerman, told his story of what happend. He would have been IMMEDIATELY arrested, the same evidence of altercation been used by the jury differently as evidence of his crime and not of his innocence, and would have been sentenced to life a year ago. Cases like these occur quite often with little fanfare. That is because of programming that black is bad untrustworthy prone to violence.

Zimmerman wouldn't have been "attacked" had he not walked up to (up behind) along side, at a hard angle, or getting out of his car, toward him while he was walking home. U cant defend someone who engages a person then gets beat up. Plenty of people fight, Zimmerman lost, so... instead of just losing, a weapon was drawn. It killed Trayvon. But had that whole situation been avoided, no one would be dead. Now would they?

That's like saying the guys who robbed me & broke my jaw in 2 places wouldn't have done it had I not been there! And YES, I can defend someone who "engages someone & gets beat up"! Police follow people everyday, engage them, & don't get attacked. I've been followed several times, & didn't attack the person because it's ILLEGAL & WRONG. You can whine all day about G.Z. following Trayvon, it's simply NOT illegal to do so. What IS ILLEGAL is to brutally attack someone because of it

if treyvon had had a gun we wouldnt have had this tragedy in the first place? Treyvon wasn't defending himself from anyone... he was the one who attacked Zimmerman first, so if Treyvon had had a gun then he probably would have shot and killed Zimmerman instead of just bashing his head into the concrete

One valid point by O'Reilly - Blacks need to become involved and help police their communities. This is true as time and again we bear witness to the cops (pigs) showing up at a crime scene 'in a Black community' and every person on hand saw nothing and knows nothing etc etc. Now, having said that I would extend this by saying that this same behavior exists in all communities regardless of race. Lastly, why am I still even using a phrase like 'Black community' if there is, indeed, no ambiance of prejudice existing in this country?

BILL's contempt is just so transparent. If Trayvon Martin were armed, he'd be alive, and in prison right now. As it stands, he was already on trial and lost, without a gun or his life! It would have been more honest to have had the prosecution use "self-defense" as THEIR "defense" in that case.

EVERYTIME they open their mouths, they prove the point...

If Travon had a gun all Zimmerman would have to say is "black with a gun" and his innocents would be undisputed by anyone on the jury.

on the other hand, if you did it after following him for 3/4 mile, verbally agreed to but disregarded being told to stop by police, refused twice to tell him what your problem was, reached in your pocket threateningly, all before being punched, then knelt on his back and held his hands away from the wound after you shot him, you'd pretty likely be arrested that night & charged with multiple crimes, unless you, too are a magic cop buddy like Zimmerman.

Let's take the race issue out! This is about democracy, and officers using excessive force against unarmed civilians. I love all people, I am multi-racial I know awesome whites and awesome blacks but one thing I am more certain of is policing is getting out of control in this country

The trial proved that Trayvon had over four minuets to leave. Instead he waited for Zimmerman...this was proven as fact. It was Trayvon who was stalking his pray...Zimmerman was walking back to his car.

No, no, no...THAT is a little extreme!!! Shame on you Bill ~~

So you are saying that black people do have a culture separate from whites? If so then im curious what it would be, rape?, murder? AIDS? If by skill set you mean stealing bikes then yes. I grew up in a city until i was about 16 when i moved out. Black people would always give me and my friends problems and when i caught people stealing my bike they were always black.

Nobody said anything about arming white people only?! The concern is not to disarm honest individuals looking to defend them selves. By honest I mean " Those without criminal history" and these individuals somehow perceive that as whites only?? Now who's being racist??

I think we all agree that every free non felon should be armed. That's the point of America.

@Phil1stalk

7 жыл бұрын

Right. The black "felons" in Chicago who are killing blacks have felony rap sheets and they DON'T purchase their guns at guns dealers! Any questions?!

Actually, George had a lot more extensive police record than Trayvon, who actually had none

Yeah, and when people say that all white men should be armed we similarly say it is stupidly extreme.

0%. A "whole" story could not be a statistic by definition. There have to be some parameters. Do I need some sort of story with 70% Black babies vs. 30% White babies born out of wedlock. 70% percent. I will put everything I own on 70% odds every time. "Stereotype" is just a weak way of saying "were not all like that." No shit. And I better stop using the term Black because of the 1% Albino AA population. Black is a stereotype. Anything that's not absolute-stereotype. It's splitting hairs.

Holy shit was that blatant racism by Bill.. Usually he's a lot more subtle.

Interestingly, one of America's great black pastors, Jeremiah Wright, shares O'Reilly's opinion that black men are the greatest danger to black men. He is a very wise Christian and I was appalled when Barack Obama kicked him under the bus.

Reilly got pounded. If this had been a streetfight he'd still be laying in the street,bleeding from his piehole. I loved his reaction to Smiley's suggestion that all black men should be armed, "Oh that's extreme". WTF Bill did you really say you were running a no spin zone? Seemed like you were doing some heavy spinning, you were wishing that Smiley would take the win and just shut-up.

It's not true that all black people are discriminated in USA. Some black people are discriminated in another countries too.

I thought all black men already have guns

@Milomt

8 жыл бұрын

+John Henry no just whites, that's why their kids are shooting up so many schools. Could you imagine if that was black kids doing school shootings what would be said in the biased media!

Travon Martin was one kid killed in an altercation with a man trying to protect his neighborhood not 20 school kids at a school where guns are not allowed that's the difference and no one knows what happened there accept Zimmerman and Martin if Zimmerman killed him in cold blood then one day when he faces god or who ever you believe in he will pay his toll

When the NRA stand up for gun owners rights I have never once heard them try to make an exception for people of color or gender. When law abiding citizens use guns to protect themselves the NRA applauds them no matter what color they happen to be.

Why thank you!

You guys are both right and both wrong. Egypt was a melting pot of culture and Egyptians shared many ancestral lines with people from all over the continent. First, you must define "Black" and "white". Knowing that man originated from the African Sahara, the further north you travel the closer you get to "white" populations. Are African Americans white or black? How about Africans? When you compare the two the Americans have lots of white genes and characteristics, but most call them black

Any person in America today can own a firearm and in most states can carry the firearm on their own person either open carry or concealed. You have to get a license to carry concealed. So, what is the problem? I hope every person of every skin color in America legally arms themselves! Defend the 2nd amendment of the US Constitution! It is your Constitutional RIGHT to be armed!

the biggest difference is probably Eskimos being carnivorous, actually.

Best solution I can see is to ban all guns possession. There should be no reason for somebody to need a gun in their day to day life. The only guns on the streets should be those carried by police

Tavis Smiley get his ass, get his ass!

He does have a point. Bill has said himself that everyone who can legally get a gun should have them. He constantly talks up the benefit of gun ownership. His response should have been "that's great as long as they're law-abiding citizens." Bill had a chance to really make himself look good, but he missed it