TAS Competition 2016 Task 1 Banned Strat
Task 1 of the 2016 TAS competition was to enter BoB and collect the star "Shoot to the Island in the Sky" using 5 A presses or less. Additionally, the koopa shell, wing cap, and cannon were forbidden. After some thought, I realized a rather unorthodox strat might be possible using recently discovered HOLP tech. The more I looked into it, the more feasible it seemed. Unfortunately, the rules eventually clarified that the use of pre-set HOLPs and cloning were forbidden. Consequently, the strat became illegal. However, I decided to TAS it anyway just to show how cool HOLP strats can be, and so here it is. Enjoy!
Note that I started routing this strat before the rules stated that using a preset HOLP was banned. You see, in the competition discussion forum, TimeTravelPenguin had asked: "Can we have a pre-set holp? Do you want us to include setting the holp in our TAS? can we press A to set the holp?" Then SilentSlayers (the competition hoster) responded with: "You can use a pre-set HOLP, however, you must show how you achieved it on the same .m64. It will not count as time on the task, so it's completely doable if you think it can save you time, but some onus is on you to show the HOLP placement. On some tasks it may be banned, but for now it's fair game in correspondence with a demonstration of setting up the HOLP. Yes you can use the A button and as much time as you want for these kinds of pre-task set-ups." Under those conditions, using a pre-set HOLP as I do in this video would have been perfectly legal and not count as time on the task, and so once I read that I began routing this strat. However, SilentSlayers's response was soon revoked and his new response became that all pre-set HOLP usage was banned. Nevertheless, I decided to move forward with the strat anyway just because I thought it looked cool.
Determining the exact HOLP that worked best took a lot of trial and error. In fact, I made an excel function to which I could input an angle and a number of frames, and it would output the HOLP coordinates such that a bob-omb thrown from that HOLP at the inputted angle would come into contact with the star box after the inputted number of frames. Here is my excel workspace [i.imgur.com/Cw4...]. For anyone interested, the set of points that make up the possible HOLP locations from which a thrown bob-omb would collide with the star box looks like this [i.imgur.com/SyK...].
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Mario 64: the game in which Mario can sommon an air-strike by making enough dust with his feet and holding his cap in his hand.
If you were planning space missions instead of TAS strats, we'd have men on Mars by now.
@UncommentatedPannen
8 жыл бұрын
But I was told I should be using my SM64 time to solve cancer :/ Now I really don't know what to do
@juglovesyou
8 жыл бұрын
+pannenkeok2012 You need to solve space cancer
@Azumongo
8 жыл бұрын
+pannenkeok2012 Simple, build a cancer research station on Mars! Seriously though, I don't know what else you're doing except Super Mario 64 rocket science but I hope it's even remotely as useful as fighting space cancer.
Shooting to the island in the sky no longer involves shooting or the island. Now to wait until we can get rid of the sky part of it too...
GameTheory claims to be the smartest show in gaming, I highly beg to differ
"8 minutes of intense RNG grinding later..."
4:38-4:41Behold the method that resulted in the inspiration for the Mario Party mini-game known as Bombsketball.
"convenient" I don't think that word means what you think it means. Also awesome strat, too bad it got banned.
@Kain_R_Heinlein
8 жыл бұрын
+Tyler Kehne why would that get banned? Would that data save in the course even if you restarted it or something?
@chlorobyte
8 жыл бұрын
+FutileExistence they banned HOLP and cloning.
@Kain_R_Heinlein
8 жыл бұрын
+Benedani awww, any reason why?
@chlorobyte
8 жыл бұрын
FutileExistence dunno.
@GaudyGabriev02
8 жыл бұрын
+Benedani who are they?
I have no clue what just went down.
could you upload the rest of your submissions to the Competition? I would like to see how you solved the other 4 tasks
I don't know if I've missed something, but in a few videos I notice rapid pausing like at the start here... What is the use of pausing? And does anything special happen with frames when pausing similar to cut scene skips by pause buffering in majora's mask?
@UncommentatedPannen
8 жыл бұрын
If you are unfamiliar with pause buffered hitstun, watch this: kzread.info/dash/bejne/onydytuAnLzMg9o.htmlm27s
What did you do for task 6? The .m64 is too long for me to watch.
This makes me wonder. I'm sure there must be one HOLP placement that saves A Presses but requires one or more A Presses just placing the HOLP. There doesn't seem to be any right now, but it's possible now there's more HOLP tricks. Would it make routing overall star order more complex? Like needing to unlock a level before you get a star in an earlier level.
@keesbaake5680
8 жыл бұрын
+DeRockProject & the Attack of the Really Long Channel Name I like your thinking. So all current stars that require an A press could then be redone with holp placements, even if this increases their A presses. Then try to shave off those a presses in the holp. Then there are more solvable ways instead of staring too much in one direction.
WHAT
@pendalink
8 жыл бұрын
never mind watched all the other vids
Wtf is HOLP? Held Object's Last Position? Where the hell is RNG used in SM64? I don't get it.
@cmb9173
8 жыл бұрын
HOLP basically defines where the object you are holding is rendered (rendered = the model is placed in the world to make it visibile) as the actual object is not in the world while you are holding it. When you release the object, the fake object which is always at the HOLP disappears and the real object is spawned back in. After releasing an object, the HOLP won't get updated until another object is picked up. With the hat-in-hand glitch (HIH), you can instantly release a grabbed object without updating the HOLP (and thus the position where the object shoul appear), essentially "teleporting" the HIH'd object. The RNG is used by many things, such as when -Mario- and bob-ombs blink, what direction certain particles or coins go, etc.
Why did they ban cloning and HOLP placement?
@thomaslocke5626
8 жыл бұрын
probably because of the setup required (and how many a-presses that takes up)
Are you a wizard?
And here I was, thinking my comment on the compilation video was merely a joke.
I have a question about HOLP position: I know the HOLP position remains on the same location on the coordinate plane, but does that position also apply to PUs or just the original map?
@inakilbss
8 жыл бұрын
It also applies to PUs because it's stored as a float.
@Mushroomhead671
8 жыл бұрын
inakilbss interesting, so HOLP can be used for easier PU movement or no?
@inakilbss
8 жыл бұрын
Yes, although the only use I remember is for SA 0x in Japanese, but it's just used for spawning displacement.
You can do that un-tas. Just get to the top of the place where u fight king bob-bomb and long jump then you get it in 2 jumps
So can't you use this trick to drastically reduce the time on 0x Island in the sky and avoid doing goomba bridge+goomba clone at all?
@Tojso09
8 жыл бұрын
+4232Nis I don't think so because you can't fire out of a cannon without pressing A. So a 0x star can't use this method of HOLP placement.
@4232Nis
8 жыл бұрын
I think he only used BoB to place the holp to preserve any amount of rules of the competition, and could easily use ccm to place this holp.
You are a a master of this game.
Couldn't you just long jump from the moutain?
this is basically rocket science
When are you going to publish your second entry to the TAS competition?
I like how at the beginning he uses big words like "unfortunately" and "consequently" but he can't be bothered to put the last 3 letters of the word "strategy"
How the heck do you even know it's the exact RNG value?
@Mabi19
6 жыл бұрын
He has MHS which makes it so that you can look at variables! yay!
@NovaTheDark
6 жыл бұрын
PhantomTapdos TASers have tools to watch all variable used by the game, including RNG
Wait, why do you need to have the same RNG?
how can you grind with out having 29 or more speed?
What does HOLP mean?
@YourSoulPrince
8 жыл бұрын
That's pretty cool. Thanks, man
I honestly dont know what is going on anymore. So much techy stuff...
so what would the time have been?
@jongyon7192p
8 жыл бұрын
Oh no! He could've been in 13th place! How unfortunate.
This takes really long, so... Hoping to win on glitch-man's looks alone?
@KazeN64
8 жыл бұрын
+NotchMath he only ook 7 seconds more than first place. he would have gotten 14th out of 20 or so.
@notchmath9642
8 жыл бұрын
Exactly that is a huge difference.e
@pendalink
8 жыл бұрын
+NotchMath but this is insanely cool
@notchmath9642
8 жыл бұрын
I know
I still don't know what HOLP means
@delta3244
6 жыл бұрын
HOLP = Held Object's Last Position. Watch kzread.info/dash/bejne/dI6tt6mNaby2mMo.html for a much better explanation than I'd manage to give.
damn i need some holp to understand wtf happened
So what even is a TAS?
I feel you bro, i once HOLP'd a bit too much and ended up in the can afterwards.
whats a strat and whats a HOLP
2:58 lol
WoW!
Do dust frames speed up RNG.
@UncommentatedPannen
8 жыл бұрын
Dust frames use 4 RNG calls. See kzread.info/dash/bejne/f52prseNdZWzlbQ.html
dank
shit...sick strat
and voila
he said "preset HOLPs" not "set HOLPs" lol
> Doesn't explain what HOLP is
Those completely unnecessary five jumps tho.
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what a showoff Kappa
I have a brilliant plan!! Do it in 4.5 A presses. DUN DUN DUNNN!!!!!