the PS3 version was a port of the Japanese-only PS2 version, which had extra content over the GameCube version but didn’t have 60fps. Just funny how ~18 years later they still couldn’t do 60fps

@valmontdraconus

Жыл бұрын

When the Remaster was announced I ended up buying a used-like new copy of the PS3 version. I had a feeling that the remaster wasn't going to be anything special, and there was no mention of the sequel either so i felt the PS3 version would be a good investment.

@Brandon667x1

Жыл бұрын

@@valmontdraconus that’s exactly what I did

@VOAN

Жыл бұрын

That's cause the lock 60fps performance was tie to the source code of the GameCube version and Bandai Namco lost that source code so they use the PS2 version as the main source for these ports instead. If they want a 60fps version of Tales of Symphonia, they had to remake it from the ground up again which they are too lazy to do. If you own the PC version and force that one to run at 60fps, you will get a very clanky performance boost. The 60fps in the GameCube version is native only to GameCube, bumping it up won't do any good at all. Fortunately even if the source code for the GCN version were lost, there may still be a chance someone could find it in the wild which could restore future versions, we just had to hope that it is found soon and leak it to the community. Hacking the source code is the only way to fix all the 30fps Tales of Symphonia ports without remaking the game.

@Yusei255

Жыл бұрын

And this version has that extra content too.

@superzellff8179

Жыл бұрын

I'm replaying Ps3 version as we speak

I can't believe Bamco let this happen. A low-effort port for one of the most celebrated games in one of their most well-known franchises? And for its 20th anniversary no less. They put a big black mark on themselves for doing this.

@morreddie717

Жыл бұрын

Not like they gonna care anyway.

@TwilightWolf032

Жыл бұрын

They didn't "let this happen", they aimed for it. ToS has been ported and reported and released as a report of the reported port, and with every resale it just stagnates or walk backwards even more. It's just par with the course for their most beloved entry.

@AllenTax

Жыл бұрын

@@TwilightWolf032 It is called suicide denial. Some are cutting themselves up and ignore the outcome and effects.

@elreychapa8845

8 ай бұрын

The game is cash grab. This remaster looks like a bad port ( low-effort port).

If you're going to release a "Remastered" version of a 20-year-old game, you'd better make sure that the "Remaster" _is actually better than the original_ "straight out of the box". This failed at every level. If this had included a remastered Tales of Phantasia, then we'd have another story here. Instead, I'm passing this and waiting for either the next game, or for a remaster of the PS2 versions of Tales of Destiny & Tales of Destiny 2.

@radioactive_cosmicrays6968

Жыл бұрын

based pfp

@VOAN

Жыл бұрын

Technically it's better than the PS2 version which was the original game they used to based this port on.

@jaretco6423

Жыл бұрын

Me looking at Metroid Prime: U mean like this?

I do think there's most likely going to be a day one patch when this releases. IIRC, Vesperia had a day one patch, too. For my money, though, the GC version is the best. I actually once met Kari Wahlgren and Coleen O'Shaughnessy at conventions and got their autographs for their turns as Raine and Genis. I loved meeting them. This is one of my favorite games. Too bad the Switch port has issues; but hopefully Namco can fix them. (In all fairness, this morning I DID see the score rise to 71.)

@newbiesama

Жыл бұрын

I love that you call this a port, whiel th game is called 'remastered'. A port of the GC would have been better

I loved this game! Tales of Symphonia was my first Tales game and I loved it! I still own the GameCube and the PS3 version. I also had the Wii version of the sequel “Dawn of the New World” too! It’s sad that this remaster didn’t have good reviews.

I remember my dad getting me the GameCube version day one of release. He picked up a small tube TV and took me on a two week cross country drive in his semi truck. Played non stop and beat it twice in the two week trip. Got home and my grandmother had gotten me the guide for it so I invited my friend over and beat it again for the hidden stuff I missed in one night. My friend loved the game so much he stood up the whole time just fixated on the game. Def one of my favorite games and great memories of it. I'm all for the portable version and confident they'll patch the issues.

I still bought it and it arrived a day early. I will see for myself. It was the first JRPG which I loved and completed and was on Gamecube. It holds much nostalgia and memories for me. I will have both this and Baiten Kaitos on Switch!

@NOCXCIDE

Жыл бұрын

The black screen background and white screen battle transitions made me switch my pre order from the Switch to Xbox. Playstation and Xbox don't have that issue for some reason. Deal breaker for me.

@wc7466

Жыл бұрын

Fair enough, but being able to play this portably is a must for me.

@prestonwestmoreland6316

Жыл бұрын

Same

@kimikon3026

Жыл бұрын

​@@NOCXCIDEI read they got rid of the crack screen part before the battle starts?

@NOCXCIDE

Жыл бұрын

@Kimiko Park Correct, I'm not sure why the Switch port is inferior to the Xbox and Playstation versions. It's still 30 fps on every console but has fewer technical issues compared to Switch. Portability doesn't matter to me if the game is half baked. Nier Automata, Crisis Core: Reunion and Persona 5 Royal are perfect examples of GOOD ports for the Switch. C'mon, Bandai Namco!

The channel Switch Up (could be wrong though) did also mention that in some instances the frame rate was also falling well bellow the 30 target. I just cancelled this preorder which is a shame. I don't want to encourage with my money mediocre ports.

@sanban6766

Жыл бұрын

I hear ya just wait till they fix the issues in the meantime enjoy an amazing port Metroid Prime

This game deserved a remake with Vesperia type visuals, 60fps, and fully voiced dub. It makes me so sad being a huge Tales fan 😞

I think it will go on a pretty big digital sale someday, just like tales of vesperia sometimes gets discounted, that’s a nice way to get it, but getting something like that for full price is not an option for me, especially after trying metroid prime remaster

@aidankhaos7687

Жыл бұрын

The Metroid remaster is worth it’s price

@sanban6766

Жыл бұрын

Metroid was worth the money though its a beautiful remaster

Kind of a bummer to hear the remastering of the game was lackluster. I got Vesperia on the eShop on a really good sale and fell in love so I was hype for this game. I’ll still buy it but I’ll definitely wait for a sale and a few patches.

Definitely going to wait for a 50% off sale price

Thanks for the score round up. I am a fan of bringing back old rpg games from decades ago. I don't really understand FPS rates, but I do welcome & hope that this game has quality of life changes that accommodate the present. Some of these old rpg's can be brutal in their design. With the power of present consoles and technology - I hope Bandai Namco at least put effort into quality of life updates. At least its just 40 dollars...

@Chaoskae

Жыл бұрын

It’s meh and no there’s no QoL changes. It’s low effort and not worth it.

Bringing Crisis Core up to match pretty closely FF7 Remake's look is a different story entirely. Not sure why anyone would compare that to a series that's cel shaded to this day. Still a damn shame they didn't put in more effort here.

@FelixS.

Жыл бұрын

Sorry but Crisis Core is nowhere near FFVII Remake in terms of visuals.

That’s so disheartening. I wish they had ported/remastered a different Tales of title, but if they were gonna go with Symphonia, which has a better port on Steam than this, the bare minimum should be equivalent quality.

This is such a shame 😔 I was worried when I saw that nothing had really been changed with the visuals (except making them HD, I guess). Would’ve been far better as a remake.

@dynamon911nz

Жыл бұрын

They are Also stoped doing low effort Just comodato the classy bandai merchandising and Toys instead on focusing on a videogame. There something wrong in bamco as of late but i Hope they are restructuring the ideas

I was going to get it but I’ll definitely wait for a sale or if they fix the glaring issues. Thanks for your honesty OJ.

Now that's a well researched and balanced review.

I know it's not a legendary soundtrack by any means, but I'll always love the work done here by Motoi Sakuraba. 👏🏿

@lordofhostsappreciator3075

Жыл бұрын

It is a legendary soundtrack tho? Sakuraba's work is highly underrated.

@PhantomCatMusic

Жыл бұрын

@@lordofhostsappreciator3075 Yeah, I recently found out he wrote the golden sun soundtrack as well. The soundtracks of ToS and Golden sun are ingrained in my musical brain. I love his work.

@DanielZeal

Жыл бұрын

@@lordofhostsappreciator3075 Sakuraba was the mentor to my personal favorite game composer, so he'll always be a legend to me. But as you said yourself, this soundtrack is definitely underrated.

@lordofhostsappreciator3075

Жыл бұрын

@@DanielZeal Who was the student of Sakuraba you're talking about?

@DanielZeal

Жыл бұрын

@@lordofhostsappreciator3075 Yasunori Mitsuda

Just like you, I grew up with that GC version. First time I beat it was with my best friend at the time, 80+ hours on our run, and I went on to beat it 3-4 more times after that. It's a shame that this "remaster" wasn't shown the love it deserves. I was gonna get it on the Switch, but I'll hold off until an update or sale happens. Probably shouldn't even be getting it, since I have a Steam Deck and bought Symphonia for $5 a long time ago.

@chrisj320ac3

Жыл бұрын

If you've got a deck, you literally don't need this version.

I'll wait until it goes on sale. I canceled my pre-order at Gamestop and used the money towards Metroid Prime Remastered.

Since Bandai Namco already released tales of vesperia and Tales of Symphonia. Tales of the Abyss will probably be next on the list. I wonder how that will look.

@VOAN

Жыл бұрын

My hope is that they will give us a Tales of Destiny Collection which includes TOD1, TOD2, (the actual one), and Tales of Eternia which was also called TODII in the USA.

@veghesther3204

Жыл бұрын

Same here but for ToD 1 I'd want both the PS1 game and the PS2 remake that NEVER left Japan as well also Tales of Rebirth never left Japan so they could fix that via a PS4 PS5 Switch port of it.

@MagillanicaLouM

Жыл бұрын

@@veghesther3204 yes those are the ports that NEED to happen (among others) but they opted for just Symphonia again

@superzellff8179

Жыл бұрын

Same fate as symphonia

@YouTubeCensors

Жыл бұрын

@@VOAN those are the games I want since I still have ToD for PSx and later found out they never released the true sequel here.

I´ll take for portability. Hope they´ll fix it someday.

Tales of symphonia was my 1st Tales game I've played and loved it cause me and my brother played it together. We beat this together so many times playing with the different characters. I'm gonna pick this up with all the problems. I did it for Chrono Cross on the Switch and loved that too.

@VOAN

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and to be clear a lot of those issues weren't game breaking, just outdated. Modern gamers will probably get turn off by them but die hard players could tackle through them just fine. I play Chrono Cross again and still enjoy it all the way through without using any QoL features the game had available.

@kokotheclown2588

Жыл бұрын

Bro I played this with my brother he got it for my 17 birthday and I’m probably gonna pick this up it’s not a full remake but tbh I just wanted the game to be on switch and I’ll probably pick up chrono cross on switch too

@ifrit1937

Жыл бұрын

@@kokotheclown2588 Pretty much why I'll pick it up...eventually. Only real issue THIS remaster has is it's well overpriced tbh (well sides the Switch specific issues with framerate, black screen on menu/skits, white screen battle transitions...30 fps is just due to being a port of the PS2 version, or more likely either the PS3 or PC version...probably PC as I think Dawn was included in the PS3 versions code...well the Chronicles version anyway). It should've been place at about $20, at least no more than $25. Once Gamestop/Amazon/some store has a physical copy that low or lower I'll go grab it/order it or I'll just leave it until next Christmas if the price doesn't drop and let a family member/friend be the one to throw cash out for it lol (I still have my GC and PS3 version and the consoles for it so I don't NEED it right now...and quite frankly I got Trails to Azure, Trails into Reveries, Granblue Re: Link and Octopath 2 and a few other games in the next few months too so I should probably focus on games I haven't beaten yet (as I already beat Symphonia 15 or more times lol...the main draw of the Switch is I'd be able to play it while laying in bed/lounging on the couch rather than sitting up in a gaming/computer chair).

Craziest thing. I got an ad for the same game before I started watching. I was interested in Tales of Vesperia but have so many games to get through. If both games are physical, that's fine.

Definitely glad I watched this before I made my purchase, I'm gonna wait for a patch and a sale now. The new Yakuza game is coming out next week anyways so I have that to look forward to.

This is exactly the review I was looking for, when I saw it announced I was curious to see what would be done to “remaster” it. I’m kind of getting tired of classics such as this get titled a remaster when so many should just get “Enhanced” at the end of it. There isn’t really anything that warrants the title it has now.

I had a brand new, sealed copy of this game on GameCube. Sold it last year for next to nothing. Really regret that now. I had no idea the PS3 version, which I also own, was inferior.

Is it 50? It has been 40 on Amazon throughout the preorder window

@xeartnexus3020

Жыл бұрын

It's 40 everywhere I've seen. I have it pre-ordered for 40 too.

I have the PS3 version and am getting it on Switch. I’m not worried as the game doesn’t see release until 3/31. I’m sure it’ll be patched and a lot of issues will be fixed. 30fps doesn’t bother me as long as it’s steady.

I’m not a fan of auto save in games like this. It’s nice to have but I play til I can manual save when it’s an option. Once they patch the crashes I’ll be excited to play this. I wish they did a lot more, but the game is an all time classic to me so I’m grabbing it

@veghesther3204

Жыл бұрын

Auto saving is useful BUT I'll still play the PS4 version since I don't even OWN a Switch to begin with.

@therealjaystone2344

Жыл бұрын

It’s tolerant on action games but not on role playing games

@veghesther3204

Жыл бұрын

Actually I STILL LOVE it in JRPG's especially since SOME area's have more then 1 boss take the Wind temple theirs a boss on the top floor then on the way OUT of that area you fight a 2nd boss and can't NORMALLY save the game between the 2 BOSSES that gets fixed WHEN AUTO Save's kick in between MAP screen changes. So on this version as soon as you kill the wind temple bosses first boss on its top floor as soon as you exit that MAP auto save will kick in right their. So yes Auto Saving is a blessing in JRPG's that have either 2 bosses in the same area but aren't BACK to back battles or are in area's that are so long that IT could take you at least 1 hour JUST to reach the Save point BEFORE a boss fight. IE the Ice Temple where you fight Celsuis had NO Save points in it at all in ANY version of the game only but auto save would still kick in via that same spot BEFORE the actual battle against her triggers.

@ifrit1937

Жыл бұрын

I'll be honest rather than auto saves they should've implemented quick saves (can manually save ANYWHERE in the game to 1 dedicated slot that gets written over) that have been implemented in all Tales games since Xillia if I'm right. Yeah you still have to remember to save yourself but you don't need to go to a save point...as for save points they could be used for saving backups/a main save/heal you in some cases (can't remember if Symphonia's save points healed now that I think of it...I know other games save points did). Granted I also have an extreme bias against auto saves too as I once played a game that ONLY had auto saves and no manual saves and when I got to one point I was completely unprepared but due to when the game auto saved I couldn't go back to grind/gear up and basically got stuck either trying to struggle to win or, in the end, give up and restart the game from scratch. Nowadays I generally have 3 separate saves where the first two are saves at the same time while the 3rd is an hour or more behind or before a major dungoen/going to a new town in case something goes wrong or I miss some sort of side quest that may be needed fro later ones or 100% completion (Trails series in particular I have 1 save at the very start of a new chapter that I only update after making sure I did everything I wanted to do).

Im going to get the Chosen Edition for the switch for my collection but hopefully they patch it and make it better the future.

@TWEWYas

Жыл бұрын

You know they're not going to patch it. Don't waste your money.

60% is fine to me. i will buy tales of symphonia on switch

Symphonia huck me to the series, and I absolutly adore it, is one of my favorites with Abyss and Xillia 1,saying that is the Ace Attorney trilogy of the series, the only game coming again and again. I wish this was at this point a remaster of Xillia, or better, a remaster of a tales game that didn't came outside of Japan. At last we are going to get a Baten Kaitos remaster...

Wow solid review my guy. Nobody else distinguished that they remastered the ps3 version instead of the gamecube one with 60fps. I’m going to wait till they fix the issues to buy. Please make an update video when they fix it.

Are these issues only on the switch? Because i plan on buying it this weekend for the xbox series x

@UmbreonMoonlight

Жыл бұрын

Seems to be a switch thing from what I have seen but I'm not sure

Is the Japanese ps4 version of the game have English language support?

As much as I love Symphonia I'm pretty disappointed that they didn't improve much on the game. I hope the next remaster is Abyss.

Look at the price tag and then look at the lack of QOL fixes, the random crashes, the insistence on keeping the game at 30 FPS, oh and don't forget the garbage load times. It's a simple money grab for Bandai Namco but yeah the ship movement upgrade means a lot.

they pretty much used the PS2 version as base to make the first remaster. then they pretty much kept PORTING that same remaster to all other systems and that's why it has so much bugs as all the bugs they are experiencing are pretty much the same bugs that were present in the PS2 version of the game. in that sense it actually NEVER really got properly patched in the first place.

I sincerely disagree with those who think that Tales of Vesperia is better than Tales of Symphonia. The story/gameplay are far better. Surely, the remaster isn't as good, but I'm talking about the base game. Having played both, I can't recommend Vesperia over Symphonia, even if the port is worse.

So it's a port of a port of a port (Gamecube->PS2->PS3->Switch) with each port getting slightly worse than the last version. Yeesh. One thing I love is the backlash this port received because there are SO MANY Tales games which STILL haven't gotten a Western release and yet they decided to do Symphonia AGAIN rather than giving us something new.

@elreychapa8845

Жыл бұрын

They are lazy.They had should remake the game. A remake it's a true homenage for the game.

This is the reason why I won't buy this until they fix the issue from skipped dialogue.

I'm surprised they even bothered, they knew fans were pissed at it not running at 60fps. I believe it can't be done due to it being the ps2 version. Although the ps2 version did add some additional content that wasn't present in the Camecube version. So i guess that's why they went with it.

WHy do people still espect autosave in games?

I honestly didn’t care about these low reviews. My instinct was that I wanted to play this game because I NEVER got to play the original. Heard so much good about it and I wanted to experience the game for myself. I’m a sucker for these JRPG graphics of yesterday. I’m enjoying the game so much on my Switch. Maybe they’ll update it and all that. Whatever happens, I’m gonna enjoy this game and I do hope to see more older Tales games remastered. Would LOVE to see a three-in-one remaster of the Radiant Mythology trilogy. Dungeon crawling and my own custom hero where I can change out their class? Yes please!

I will wait for a sale on this and buy to collect on Switch. I will see how the PS4 version is granted, I already own the GC, PS3 and Steam versions.

I'm glad it's available on Switch, but this doesn't bode well for the coming Baton Kaitos port...

@morriganrenfield8240

Жыл бұрын

What does baten kaitos have anything to do with it? The tales team is known for cutting corners, just look at their games. Baten kaitos will likely be fine

@luckyclover5264

Жыл бұрын

Baten Kaitos already announced they removed the English voice acting. Bam Co is giving me games I want but half assing them and it’s disheartening

@JaidynReiman

Жыл бұрын

@@Scion_of_light I heard about it, and I heard that the reason they cut the voice acting is because the English voice acting was pretty bad. I doubt its cutting corners, but that they honestly think its better to not include the voice acting. Personally I don't see why they couldn't keep it as option.

@luckyclover5264

Жыл бұрын

@@JaidynReiman people have universally complained about the choice all over and they haven’t addressed it. Taking away an option is always a bad thing

One thing everyone needs to remember is that whenever a new game comes out remastered or remake there's bound to be some issues when it first comes that's why I think everyone should have waited to play the game for a few months or days

im not a big framerate guy or even a big autosave guy. so wether the framerate is at 30 or 60 isnt something i really notice, and the only issue i have with the lack of autosave is that if the game has issues with crashing, then autosave is a necessity, if the game ran perfectly without crashing lack of autosave wouldnt bother me, while i do already have the ps3 version with both games in it, im still getting this for portability and because i want to get myself a physical copy of it, after hearing this i might not play it immediately though,.

@Quake2815

Жыл бұрын

But the gamecube version was 60fps so it's a back step

@woteveruk1

Жыл бұрын

@@Quake2815 oh no i get it, i get why people are upset about the framerate, and im not saying i agree with them putting in the low effort for the framerate or anything i was just saying it isnt important to me personally,

@SoulInajar

Жыл бұрын

@@woteveruk1 someone gets it

@Quake2815

Жыл бұрын

@@woteveruk1 i understand

@JaidynReiman

Жыл бұрын

@@Quake2815 The problem is the code for the original PS2 version wasn't in the best shape. That's the version they based every subsequent re-release on because of the new content that version added, and in order to fix the FPS issue it would require a massive rework to the code to fix it, which isn't worth the effort for them to do. This version basically just improves the textures and makes it run on modern platforms and that's about it. The textures are nice, but its certainly hard to call it a real Remaster.

I don't know who told you 50 for the remaster OJ but it'd actually only 40. 50 on the Bandai Namco store maybe

Its a shame they did very little to update it...luckily i still have the original and i play it once in awhile on my Wii. Hell look at Metroid, its cheaper and got more love in terms of remaster. The only good thing is that Bandai games are almost always on sale on the eShop so if the discount is low enough i may get it...

Needs patches

Rip…was looking forward to playing this one on switch. Guess I’ll be passing until it is fixed or skipping all together.

Hopefully they fix the audio aswell. All "Newer" Techs plus Mystic Arte that was added are very low for some reason. The Japanese version echoes when performing their Mystic Artes and the English version doesn't; just sounds plain out low and flat. They never fixed it in Chronicles version for PS3 and Steam. Currently playing it on Nintendo Switch. Im at the end part in Heimdall where Lloyd talks to one of your party members. (in this case for me was Raine) There seems to be an audio swap between Colette and Raine LOL. I can only dream of the patch.

just picked it up today for the switch and its my first time playing this one

...Why the hell does this rerelease remove Colette's Cruxis Crystal?

Metroid Prime remaster makes this look like a complete joke, yet I've seen actual gaming outlets blaming Switch hardware for some odd reason I'll never understand :-)

@JaidynReiman

Жыл бұрын

Most remasters are not as good as Metroid Prime. The rumor here is that Prime was originally planned to be a remake, before Retro got put on Prime 4. That's why the game looks so good. Remasters are generally intended to be more effort than a basic port, but far less effort than a full remake. Prime Remaster is kinda in the middle of a Remaster and Remake, but because its not a full remake, they're marketing it as a Remaster instead.

@VOAN

Жыл бұрын

@@JaidynReiman The scary part is that Bandai Namco was originally suppose to handle development of Metroid Prime 4. Luckily Nintendo kicked them out of the project and brought back Retro Studio to do the honor and knowing that the Metroid Prime Remastered looks and runs great on Switch I had to say Nintendo made the right decision there. Now they need to kicked Bandai Namco out of making the next Super Smash Bros. too and just had HAL Lab return to handle it instead.

Just once, I would like to see a high effort remastering of this game. Combat and story can stay, but literally everything else needs to be updated. Also, this isn't even the gamecube version, every single release of this remaster has been of the ps2 version.

The game was a gem loved it I haven’t tried the remastered one though

I am so glad I still have my GameCube Tales of Symphonia along with my Nintendo Wii I waited for the reviews before considering getting the remaster and my instincts were right

I still have my GameCube copy and the same goes for PS2 as well. This is disappointing. I just hope Bandai Namco fixes this and doesn't screw up Tales of the Abyss, and especially Tales of Xillia remastered which would likely include Xillia 2 remastered.

Ill still play the game on the switch, but it saddens me they removed the iconic glass shattering combat intro. I own the GC, PC and switch version and the PC is probably the best

It’s a shame that this tails game tales of Symphonia was not handled and worked on better. Hopefully they can patch the game out and clean it up. Also, I definitely will not be selling my PS3 version of tales of Symphonia but I’ll still pick up this game. I was gonna wait us for sale for crisis core anyways and pick up tales of Symphonia instead.

The PS3 version was the one I played, and my first Tales, despite owning a PS1 and Gamecube, but you know what I want, a Berseria port ala Vesperia

Given with what we've got with Metroid Prime Remastered, we should tell Bandai Namco with our wallets that this 'remaster' is no good.

Metroid is a prime example (you get it "prime" ha ha) of how a Remastered version should look like.

@bigcade554

Жыл бұрын

It isn't actually. That's a remake. They redid the graphics, remastering is polishing up what was already there.

@Official_RetroMania

Жыл бұрын

@@bigcade554 No it isn't, they used the original GameCube port code to make the remastered. A remake means a new game from 0 from scratch, Metroid Prime Remastered is how a Remastered should look like, you guys aren't used to it because we were only getting lazy HD Remastered ports with no texture, lightning improvements.

@JaidynReiman

Жыл бұрын

@@bigcade554 Its not a remake, but it is far more effort than is usually put into a remaster. The rumor is that it _was_ intended to be a Remake at one point, but it got cut back once Retro got put on Prime 4. Originally they planned to remake all three Prime games but keeping them with the same gameplay. And I agree that its NOT a good example of a Remaster. That's a remaster that goes far above and beyond what should be expected of a remaster.

@VOAN

Жыл бұрын

True, it is also one in a few GameCube era remastered that got it right (others includes RE0, RE1 remake, and Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 1 & 2), a majority of the other GameCube era remastered tend to failed as remastered such as Super Mario Sunshine which is just emulation, Resident Evil 4 which is more based on the PS2 version instead, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles which had its multiplayer feature ruin, Tales of Symphonia (same as RE4 but worst), XIII which looks jank at launch, and Story of Season: A Wonderful Life which lost most of it original charms.

I stopped at the Triet Ruins. Once the frames went single digit, I just couldn't continue. Hopefully they patch this out

Besides giving us a Remastere it should've been a remake, alongside its Sequel. I still own the Chronicles version of Symphonia, so I was not gonna get this remaster.

@elreychapa8845

Жыл бұрын

It's the remaster from the remaster xDDDDDDD. They are lazy and also Namco likes cash grab.

I don't understand why they choose to release to port the worst version of the game which is apparently the one on PS3

@VOAN

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Which was based on the one on PS2.

Im pretty sure this is the PS2 version of Symphonia and not the GameCube version its based off of.

Crazy how the GC version is still the best... i still adore this game and im hoping they will fix it

Makes me glad I picked up the PS3 version in 2020 for $10, even if it is still 30 FPS I wanna say.

@IcanGOwithTHEflow

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And that version at least has the second game on it

Playing it now on Series X, it's cool, don't care about the 60fps. What is BS are other things, like not adding the options to skip cutscenes and no auto text advance, it's just silly.

It's the same thing with everyone. People still love or are loving this game like we did back in the GC days but the port/"remastering" is so low in quality that it's ruining what should be people's first time enjoying an old classic. It truly makes me worry about the Baten Kaitos port. It's bad enough we're not getting the US voices for that. I get it for BK1 but Origins had a top notch dub and it sucks to completely lose it.

Don´t care I own the GCN version and I added the Steelbox edition of the Switch Remastered to my collection. Just wanted to have it.

they added New Functions- at least i think their new functions

Guess I’ll wait for patches & price drop

I still don't understand how a game that Originally came out on GAMECUBE, runs worse and with LOWER framerate on modern consoles. How?! There should be no excuse for that.

Thankfully I got it on PS4 like most RPGs. As a huge Tales fan, it’s just sad that Bandai Namco cant figure it out with Tales games. I hope they’re not holding future Tales remasters (I really want Eternia, Abyss, and Xillia 1+2) as a hostage based on the sales of this game. Vesperia DE cut a lot of corners as well, especially in the voice acting, but it was at least able to reach 60fps on PS4

@DSG0805

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Switch version was 60 fps in battles.

@Official_RetroMania

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If that's they port/remaster effort, no I don't want old games re-released, just put the money, effort, time... Resources in a NEW Tales of game.

But Namco bandai President of the company and the publisher and crater of the game pacifically stated Is both the American and Japanese Game cube version wont-work on modern day hardware it won't support their technology they also stated it will not support the technology of the PS2 version will not work on modern day hard It's also stated that the PS3 version will not work on modern day hardware so it is not a port of those versions it is a port of the steam version From the PC version Which makes sense because it's easier to put on multiple systems a game from PC cause when you think about it games are originally made on computers in the 1st place and then reconfigured and reworked to work on the system they're being put on and understand their controllers they only make a few tweaks Technically getting the steam version Of tales of Symphonia Remastered Because when you think about it games are originally designed and computers during development in the 1st place but they're reconfigured in the formula to allow them certain tweaks made so the run on whatever's console they make it for And also understand its procontroller as well for that system so a steam version makes perfect sense considering games are originally made at computers and then reconfigured to work off a console And also understand it's controller so that'll work well together Even if the game has problems that's not a big deal the company will fix it in a patch update

I’m sticking with my PS3 version. No idea why they didn’t include Dawn of the new world either.

For $39.99, you're getting a beloved game that's locked at 30 FPS, 1080p resolution, AND doesn't come with the sequel Dawn of the New World. It's said it's based off the PS3 & Steam versions, but frankly just the PS3 because at least Steam can go 4K. For that price, you can pick it up for the PS3 and it includes the sequel, or the PAL version that includes both PLUS Tales of Graces f. I love Symphonia on Gamecube, like a lot of people, it's what brought me into the Tales of series. Seeing this game re-re-release for a third time on another generation of consoles, I hate to admit it but it's just a straight port with maybe a few features than an actual remaster for modern consoles. It's following along the shadows of recently re-released Persona 3 Portable & Persona 4 Golden.

@ifrit1937

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Personally if I was Namco I would've just marketed it as a port of the PS3/PC version rather than a 'remaster' cause that at least would've kept expectations more in check...on top of that they should've slashed the price in half of what they're asking for it. I'll be getting the Switch version EVENTUALLY after a price drop/sale for it pops up where it's about $20 or less or I'll have someone gift it to me for Christmas if no sales/price drop occurs by then lol (not my $$$ lol). I do like the idea of games being available on modern platforms but god they have to at least properly price them...they also gotta bring out a remaster of a game people want or localize a game that never was localized after this to get some goodwill back from the Tales fandom (a double pack of Desitny DC and Desitny 2 (with Kyle not Reid) for about $40 would be ideal...won't say no to Phantasia Nakiri Dungeon X, Rebirth, or Innocence R either though...really wish they'd just localize all non realeased main titles already).

I didn’t know they had iPhone games back in the game cube era.

@aidankhaos7687

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Get an original opinion.

My god I’m playing on the Xbox series s and it’s not much better than the switch. I just got to the Human ranch and there’s a 16 second pause for EACH BATTLE! Even worse is when Marble is being attacked, there was a pause where Genis was supposed to attack the enemy but of course there’s a pause so I just get to sit and watch her getting attacked for 18 seconds before Genis did something…

Still brought. Still playing. Still enjoying Next?

It is the remaster of the PS3 version. How you can tell? because at the beginning of this video it shows the GC version in which when they win there is no text. On the PS3 version they added the subtitles for the victory quote. Imo the PS3 remaster did not play well and I didn't even bother after like 2hrs. Save your money. For those who never played it i guess it's worth it but I would recommend waiting for a drop in price.

Do people dislike this remake for just not having 60FPS or generally because it's low effort remaster? I would say the formal. I prefer more content (PS3) than 60FPS (GameCube). I don't know why not both but they couldn't and I conceder this is (only) the best decision made in the remaster. However, They could add things like more English voice acting and more content in this remaster.

@ifrit1937

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As for this Remaster I don't care much about the fps like you as I'd prefer more content...the main issue I DO have though is the price tag they put onto the game. The PS3 version was $60 ya but it had 2 games included in the Chronicles version which means Symphonia there was basically $30 and on PC they sold it day 1 at $20 if I'm remembering correctly however Namco is charging this remaster for $40 when it's practically the same port as the PS3 version but added about 3 minor new features and a few Switch only bugs as well (PS4/5 and xbox 1/Series don't have those glitches but the price tag is still pretty BS). And while Symphonia was and still is my favorite game of all time I cannot in good faith recommend ANY of this new 'Remastered' ports over either the Gamecube, PC, or most of all PS3 port which likely can be found cheaper (well maybe not GC version) and in the PS3 Chronicle's case give a lot more bang for you buck via Dawn of the New World. The ONLY reason to buy these versions of Symphonia now is if you don't have a PS3, GC, strong enough PC and you're unwilling to wait for a sale/price drop or if you want handheld option in regards to the Switch version specifically and even then I would still highly recommend waiting for a price drop/sale/let someone get it for you as a gift over paying the current price. And as for the new voice acting...while I would also love it out of all things they could do bringing back the old cast for more VA work would probably cost the most for the project, maybe as much as a full on small game given how famous some of the actors are now so it was likely never really in the cards unfortunately...that alone may have made it worth the $40 though if they did do it. Throw in who knows if they could even get some of the VAs back as I wouldn't be surprised if a fwe have passed away or retired since Symphonia's first release and while we could get new VAs it'll lily lead to a repeat of Vesperia Switch where people complained about the change from Troy back to Grant George for Yuri's VA assuming they replace an active VA with a new guy...not to mention I can't see anyone besides Cam Clarke as Kratos tbh and the few English games with Lloyd's new VA after Scott was replaced left me unsatisfied with the Teen Titan's (lol) VA being replaced. At bare minimum it would've been nice if they tried to add a few new costumes, cameo or otherwise, to the game but my guess is they didn't do that cause they'd probably need to go back and update the PC version too if they did and my guess is they didn't want to bother going back to it (probably same reason they didn't add Dawn...not cause they couldn't but more so they knew if they didn't do it for PC too they'd get backlash there if these new console ports got it and not the PC).

I think the biggest problem with this is that it's even labeled remaster. It's just the HD port again which was based off the ps2 version of the game. There's no actual difference.

I hope they patch this. I want to pick it up but I'll skip if they don't

well the FPS issue is because its not the gamecube version It's the PS2 /PS3 version. Ps2 version always had the lower framerate

I was planning on getting this game but I'll just get Metroid Prime remastered instead

It's straight up missing Voiced dialogue

@morriganrenfield8240

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Wait really?

@haruhisuzumiya6650

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@@morriganrenfield8240 yep, Nintendo world report video review talks about a specific scene

@cactusman07pim

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@@haruhisuzumiya6650 Those skits never had English voice acting, witch doesn´t make it less lazy of a job. Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII missed voice acted dialogue, Squere-Enix recorded it for the remaster. Bandai Namco provides the Japanese soundtrack if you don´ like silent skits, cutting corners here.

@haruhisuzumiya6650

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@@cactusman07pim interesting enough they reference the GameCube version

@JaidynReiman

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​@@cactusman07pim I was curious about that, but it makes sense. They didn't even keep all the same VA's from Symphonia > Dawn of the New World, so I was wondering how they would handle the new voice acting from the PS2 release's new content. I never got around to seeing that new content in the PS3 version, but that makes sense. They didn't record new dialogue for the added content in the PS2 version.

Gotta support this still to hope for an actual remake 🙏

i think they misnamed it, they should have just called its Tales of Symphonia HD and charged 10$ less. Crisis Core is not a damn remaster its almost a full on remake, i would actually reply this version over the orignal which i beat once and never touched again

@JaidynReiman

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Agreed, though the price is $40 so they're already selling it as a lower budget game.

If they would bring games they haven't to the wider audience I think it would have been good. Am a bit tired seeing vesperia, etc and no abyss, legindia etc . I think they did a mistake

As I have said with many similar reviews. NEW games/franchises instead of lazy remasters/remakes at full price please developers 😎😎

Glad I didn't preorder. For 40 bucks but losing the Dawn of the New World remaster while keeping the same price as the PS3 version was already a red flag. But then seeing how it performs, especially on Switch. Just a real shame. Game deserves better. I'll just stick with my GameCube version or the PS3 version for DotNW.

I wager the same version of the game (and apparently done better) having been readily available on steam for years and for much cheaper happened. I mean i bought that one back in 2020, Tales is my favorite RPG series and even I'm not bothering with this. Could've been any other tales game that desperately needed it but nope. Odd move for sure

@ifrit1937

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Eh not really given it's Symphonia's 20th year anniversary this year (released in Japan in August) and the Japanese game devs/fans love anniversaries for their games. In that sense remastering Symphonia and making it available on modern consoles makes sense...granted the few bugs that popped up that's specific to the switch (white screen battle transitions, black background on menus/skits, occasional drop below 30 fps shouldn't have been a thing...as for 30 fps that's impossible to change without outright redoing all the animations in the game as the animations are locked to 30 fps due to the PS2, which this and all non Gamecube versions are based on, being too weak to handle 60 fps or if they went with a full on remake (which would've needed more time which they likely didn't have as they were working on Arise at the time and likely the next mothership title...only way I could see them doing a full on remake of Symphonia in the same vein as FFVIIR would be if they aimed for the 25th anniversary of Symphonia instead). The only other option would have been to use the Gamecube as the basis but that would mean losing the PS2 only extra content which likely would've also pissed fans off so it likely came down to a choice between content or 60 fps an they went with the content route (some people say it's cause they may have lost the Gamecube source code as well but I feel it's more likely they knew people would complain if they didn't get the PS2's extra content so they went with that version)). With all this said the price they're asking for the game is beyond ridiculous as the PS3 version came with this game AND dawn and was only $60 (well $100 for me but I got the Collector's edition so I got the novel that occurs between Symphonia and Dawn and other physical stuff that game with the game) and even the PC version released at $20 (free if you pre ordered Zestiria when that game was coming out) so the $40 price is beyond stupid...should've been $20, $25 at the absolute max and no more as Dawn isn't included in this remaster. Granted imo they should've went and tried to release Symphonia, Dawn, and Phantasia (Nakiri Dungeon X version though not GBA/SNES version as it's the best version and they GBA version cut out all skits in the west so I'd rather not get that version and get one with all skits included) in 1 giant pack on the Switch/all consoles...would also make sense as all 3 take place in the same world and they may have been able to justify the $40 or even $60 price tag with all 3. I'll still be getting the game eventually on Switch when the price drops to around $20 as I'd like to play it in handheld mode but at the moment I'd say if I had to recommend 1 version to people it'd be the PS3 version given it has both Symphonia 1 and Dawn of the New World included int he Chronicles version.

@MagillanicaLouM

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@@ifrit1937 Bundling it with at least Phantasia somehow would be a great idea and make me a lot more forgiving as for me that's one of the prime examples of "seriously needs to be more accessible like yesterday" in the series. And I can understand the anniversary aspect but it's not like they've done anything for those aforementioned more needed games on their anniversaries aside from like, special costumes or events in The Rays or something.

In an interview with Namco Bandai president and the president of the developer of Tales of Symphonia they both stated in an interview the Tales of Symphonia remastered that all Source codes does Sony Source codes and the GameCube Source codes no longer work the only source code that still worked was the steam source code does an interview with the developer of Tales of Symphonia president and the president of Namco Bandai both of them together at the same time in an interview stated that PlayStation 2 and Playstation 3 and Japanese GameCube and America GameCube and the PlayStation 4 port Tales of Symphonia Chronicles Source codes no longer work play state of the only source code that still worked was the steam source code they stated that Xbox One and PlayStation 4 and Nintendo switch Symphonia remastered is the steam version remastered because the steam version was the only source code that works and by being a computer version of the game it's much easier to manipulate to Port other systems much easier when it is a computer version it's much easier to mod and tweak and make it run properly on a system that's why patches and updates are possible even around Christmas time of this year Tales of Symphonia remastered is a much better game on the switch than when it came out in February by buying it in December of this year of 2023 you can get a much better version of it the transparency has been fixed a lot of the loading time is much shorter the stained glass window effect that shatters whenever you enter battles has been restored on the switch version the transparency during skits has been restored on the switch when you go into your menu the transparency has been restored it's just when you enter a world they still need to fix the loading time because the loading time of entering the world itself is a little too long even when you go to the fair temple in the desert or the desert part of the game at all as much better solid 30 frames per second on the switch now AK no slowdowns anymore because Namco band I did a major overhaul on the switch version and patching it a lot of parts of the game even parts of the game where people had trouble with certain bosses they fixed it making the switch version a lot more acceptable if you own a switch own the switch version of Tales of Symphonia remastered you should notice your own game runs and performs much more much more satisfactory than when it was released in February well you're more happier with what the game play is now compared to its February release song turn on the switch Symphonia remastered in February you got to admit in this December your Symphonia remastered should be a lot more satisfying to your gameplay than it was when it was released in February symphony is a lot more remastered is more acceptable on the switch nowadays because of all the patch updates they did twice and it's a possibility that Namco Bandai is still not done patching the game cuz it is supposed to be Tales of Symphonia remastered and to me it feels more like the GameCube version but running at 30 frames with extra stuff it's like we got the GameCube version with extra stuff instead of the 60 frames because it's not the PlayStation 2 Port if it was the PlayStation 2 Port do you think we would actually have those real ridiculous loading icons Tales of Symphonia remastered is basically its own new version of the game cuz look at its graphics and look at the fact that it has that little loading icon if it was more of a PlayStation 2 Port it wouldn't have that little loading icon and it would run a lot better does the switch is better Hardware than PS2 because Namco Bandai and the president of Namco Bandai and the head developer of Tales of Symphonia in an interview both presidents of the game and of the name cole Bandai company both stated in an interview of both presidents the none of the Tales of Symphonia that have been on any console Source codes work anymore they stated the only source code that still works is the source code on Steam because the same version is a computer version of the game it's much easier to manipulate and make a lot of adjustments and patches and fixes to eventually make the remastered feel like a real remastered as time passes with future patch updates cuz people are patching games all the time just look at the Legend of Zelda tears of the four kingdoms it's not exactly a perfect game either it has a few bugs glitches and hiccups in it even Pokemon scarlet and the other one have a few glitches cuz look at there are parts of the game where the characters heads act like bobbleheads and wiggling all over the place which is not normal for a Pokemon game even the two newest Pokemon games have a bunch of bugs and glitches in them and so does the new Zelda game tears of the four kingdoms also has a few bugs and glitches in them hiccups so there's a lot of games coming to the switch that have a few problems cuz you got to remember technology is not an exact science there's bound to be issues eventually technology isn't exactly perfect formula called patches to address these problems as long as fans keep complaining about Tales of Symphonia remastered on the switch and on Xbox and Playstation sooner or later Namco Bandai will make Tales of Symphonia remastered finally feel like a real remastered version after all the patch updates make it feel like a real remastered after they patched it enough times as long as fans keep asking for more patches and stuff I'll try at Namco Bandai to try and make Symphonia remastered feel as close to a remastered version as they can get it the word fans are finally satisfied even with the switch version what are the patches they should create is the thing that improves the loading time to come a lot faster because when people enter the world on savonia on any platform the loading time what's the Symphonia remastered on any platform entering the world takes way too long even after you defeat enemies in a battle the world takes way too long I also noticed that when I played it on the switch there was a time when Colette and Gina's were at the top and bottom of the screen and Lloyd was in the middle and that one dialogue when there were diagonal positioning after winning a battle Lloyd's dialogue took too long to come out dialogue was there but it took too long for him to say it indicating there is one piece of dialogue that Lloyd says in certain situations this dialogue needs to be patched in another words they need to speed up his conversation a little bit with a patch update because one of Lloyd's dialogues has too much latency in it it means it takes him too long to say it meaning that's another thing they need to patch is one of Lloyd's dialogue so when he says it'll come out a little more normal pace instead of such a long delay before he says it but this only happens with Lloyd having one dialogue be delayed only after they win a battle and he's only with Colette and genus is the only time during a battle that Lloyd has a dialogue that takes too long for him to say it indicating that something else that needs to be patched and also when it comes to switch and PlayStation and Xbox with Symphonia remastered they need to make it when you re-enter the world or re-enter the world after a battle to speed up the loading time because it takes way too long to re-enter the world when leaving a building structure or leaving the battlefield reentering the world takes way too long the load screen is too long about 10 seconds too long to re-enter the world after leaving a building or after battle the load screen is 10 seconds too long one re-entering the world