Talent vs. Effort in Super Smash Bros.

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How important is natural ability with regards to improvement in Smash? If it is important, is it something we can work for or does it come from our genetics? I go over my thoughts in this entire discussion here in this video.
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  • @RockManSSB
    @RockManSSB4 жыл бұрын

    People saying that 70% of Smash is natural ability and I’m here wondering why I died to Ganon at 30%

  • @emmanueloladosu8987

    @emmanueloladosu8987

    4 жыл бұрын

    LMFAOOOOO

  • @garbage245

    @garbage245

    4 жыл бұрын

    Did you get you get killed by Ganon's forward smash while holding the ledge

  • @AnOverratedMon

    @AnOverratedMon

    4 жыл бұрын

    DORIYAH

  • @ryan4879

    @ryan4879

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@RockManSSB Well that would be why my mans gotta choose your ledge option a bit quicker which can be applied to a lot of match ups especially ones where the character requires a time to make a set up happen (ex. pac man) choosing a fast ledge option can help avoid a lot of things and can also bait people into choosing something to cover your quick option in which allowing you to hold ledge longer as a mix up and whiff punish their option

  • @colinmeier8140

    @colinmeier8140

    4 жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately you’re not wrong

  • @TheGreenAzumarill
    @TheGreenAzumarill4 жыл бұрын

    “70% of Smash is natural talent” *Dies to Hero at 0% from a lucky thwack, 20% from a critical hit at ledge, loses to Game and Watch from lucky 9 twice in the same match, Jab jab power dunk, Pk fire, fire arrow, misfire green missle, and double critical hits*

  • @lavodnas7899

    @lavodnas7899

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well that's the other 30%

  • @lui1115

    @lui1115

    4 жыл бұрын

    play smart yo. samsora adapted to salems hero. Yes it took hard work to get better against that demon, but natural talent helped him adapt quicker at playing smart and working hard on it. it might take someone with less talent to realize this sooner, but eventually you can adapt better as well.

  • @xanthmardon584

    @xanthmardon584

    3 жыл бұрын

    these situations are avoidable consistently enough that if you lose to them consistently it becomes on you, not luck. the only time luck comes into play for issues like this is when the game or set is already close, for which the opponent has to be at least almost as skilled as you.

  • @timnoiro

    @timnoiro

    3 жыл бұрын

    None of those characters get great results except for g&w

  • @TheQueensAce719

    @TheQueensAce719

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's your fault for getting hit in the first place. All of those are easily avoidable.

  • @BootyjuiceJenkins
    @BootyjuiceJenkins4 жыл бұрын

    You could be the most talented person OR put in a ton of effort. People will still say you're carried.

  • @z4ck261

    @z4ck261

    4 жыл бұрын

    Carried by myself.

  • @abirdatemytoes4024

    @abirdatemytoes4024

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@pootonz5810 Banana boys viewers are pretty chill though

  • @Fizz-Q

    @Fizz-Q

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@bagelcat_ or if u are a terry main they say u have an advantage because input I CAN DO THE GODDAMN PRETZEL MOTION (/|\/|\ a) and do nothing with the damn raging storm

  • @colinmeier8140

    @colinmeier8140

    4 жыл бұрын

    Even if you main a low tier, yea I main Kirby and someone said I am carried... Bruh

  • @colinmeier8140

    @colinmeier8140

    4 жыл бұрын

    L personally I think Lucas is wore annoying than ness, because is PK fire actually sets up for zoning, while ness’ can be used for follow ups

  • @wesleybelcher2283
    @wesleybelcher22833 жыл бұрын

    I think the saying “hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard” describes everything about hard work vs talent

  • @andrebaxter4023

    @andrebaxter4023

    3 жыл бұрын

    Agreed.

  • @EmeraldaKasim

    @EmeraldaKasim

    6 ай бұрын

    Cope. Talent + hard work will always beat out just hard work

  • @the0therethan
    @the0therethan4 жыл бұрын

    I don’t think bestness was talking about a “super smash bros ultimate gene” being born into some players. He seems to be talking about how people’s brains are set up differently and can be beneficial to some people. Some people will naturally start out better due to uncontrollable factors like fast reaction times, memorization of matchups/moves, muscle memory and decision making, and more controllable ones like familiarity with video games/fighting games and practice habits. Some players will learn faster if they are good at adapting overall or generally learn faster, not to mention practice habits, motivation and time. Top players aren’t necessarily born with smash bros brains but rather have brains with slight advantages that allow them to learn faster. This doesn’t mean that all top players are and can only be built in this way, but some will naturally have to work harder for it. One way to think of it is like physical sports. Many top players seemed to have been born naturally muscular in addition to other abilities like eye hand coordination that could help them in a game. Other top players didn’t need these traits but it was helpful to have them so they could focus on improving their overall game rather than building the basic skills and then their game.

  • @jasonglaser825

    @jasonglaser825

    4 жыл бұрын

    I honestly attribute a lot of my “skill” in video games (not just smash or fighting games) to being clinically diagnosed with ADHD. Had difficulties in school when a subject became boring for me to learn or study, but in history or language classes, my passion led to straight A’s. *shrugs

  • @metawarp7446

    @metawarp7446

    4 жыл бұрын

    Though in physical sports... In order to be in the top, you have to be born (at least) to the 10% of humans who have the best natural talent (mostly physical talent)(genes) for the game. Our bodies have caps. Our minds probably have something similar. (I mean it's well known general intelligence has a cap/semi-cao) -> The curve of _time practising (x) and skill (y)_ is logarithmic. Certain natural ability makes the difference on how high you can get with the your curve.

  • @keaton3258

    @keaton3258

    4 жыл бұрын

    He definitely didn't work it right then, he simply said that smash is 70% natural skill, not "some people will be able to pick up the game quicker with hard work due to them having a bit of an advantage because they're talented, but a person who works harder can still reach that level." And 70% is still ridiculous even if he meant that

  • @anthonynorman7545

    @anthonynorman7545

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@keaton3258 that's a lot for a tweet...

  • @Elitist

    @Elitist

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@keaton3258 The problem is most people work equal if not lesser amounts?? And working harder as a concept is fucking bullshit. Working smarter >>> working harder every day and guess what working smarter is linked to. Far less controllable factors than just raw effort.

  • @emmanueloladosu8987
    @emmanueloladosu89874 жыл бұрын

    If this is what BestNess meant, I can agree with him to an extent.

  • @zacharybouck9769

    @zacharybouck9769

    4 жыл бұрын

    I can see where he is coming from, but i dont agree. I mainly think these tweets are coming strain from his ego, which is higher than ever becsuse he is winning these online tournaments

  • @spindingus

    @spindingus

    4 жыл бұрын

    Zachary Bouck yeah in his case literally the way to be good is to play online.😐 Until he can prove that he can play at the same level irl he doesn’t have a valid opinion.

  • @stevendaily3695

    @stevendaily3695

    4 жыл бұрын

    Emmanuel Oladosu I don’t think best ness

  • @zacharybouck9769

    @zacharybouck9769

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@spindingus agreed

  • @Michael-cg5qn

    @Michael-cg5qn

    4 жыл бұрын

    SpyroMan745 he’s ranked so he has every right to say that and it’s his opinion and if everyone really did work hard then we’d all be MKLeo but we all are aren’t

  • @jesx
    @jesx4 жыл бұрын

    6:43 my mans studying cow aerodynamcis

  • @chocobovonhauske8518

    @chocobovonhauske8518

    4 жыл бұрын

    One of the 3 essential subjects for life

  • @basicallyilovebreathofthew4376

    @basicallyilovebreathofthew4376

    4 жыл бұрын

    6:43

  • @rednk9106

    @rednk9106

    3 жыл бұрын

    I can't wait to have my own aerodynamic cow

  • @pikabush6210
    @pikabush62104 жыл бұрын

    I’m glad you made this clear because BN got too much backlash.

  • @suicidalloafofbread2009

    @suicidalloafofbread2009

    4 жыл бұрын

    That's ultimately his fault for wording it really poorly and not actually explaining his thought process

  • @brbw

    @brbw

    4 жыл бұрын

    he definitely didn’t get too much backlash. He made a stupid tweet.

  • @verde7595

    @verde7595

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@brbw not really, it was extremely true; just worded poorly

  • @RiketheDangerleo

    @RiketheDangerleo

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@suicidalloafofbread2009 kinda hard to fully explain one's thought process with only 250 characters

  • @ahmadkazan7994

    @ahmadkazan7994

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah,to a degree an actual psychologist linked a vedio to prove him wrong.

  • @c.w35t87
    @c.w35t874 жыл бұрын

    I'm the this weird limbo that I'm not really good at something, just ok on everything. It explains more why I main Mario.

  • @colinmeier8140

    @colinmeier8140

    4 жыл бұрын

    I love Mario tho he’s really flashy and has cool ladder combos

  • @anthonythomas9677

    @anthonythomas9677

    4 жыл бұрын

    Your probably haven't found what you really passionate in yet or not enough time and dedication

  • @tacocatyay8740

    @tacocatyay8740

    4 жыл бұрын

    That just means you haven’t found anything YET. Try some things and see if you’re good at them. Music, programming, parkour, quiz shows, you’ll eventually discover your talent *if* you want to find one

  • @hupppp

    @hupppp

    4 жыл бұрын

    SAME HERE

  • @exzyyd392
    @exzyyd3924 жыл бұрын

    Terry Mozart is my new favorite thing The most inspirational thing to me is HBox's whole arc. That said, I have nearly 200 hours in ultimate and no characters over 1mil, yet alone in elite. It hurts my soul.

  • @sergiopineda1718

    @sergiopineda1718

    4 жыл бұрын

    I have more than 300 hours and still can't beat the computer most of the time lol

  • @Joe-bb4yi

    @Joe-bb4yi

    4 жыл бұрын

    Plenty of people have 1000+ hours and more with the he other smash games so you guys have a lot to learn and can probably improve a lots

  • @quarepercutisproximum9582

    @quarepercutisproximum9582

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@sergiopineda1718 The computer adapts to you, so being unable to beat the computer consistently doesn't necessarily mean you'll do badly online. (:

  • @cpwcomputerplayerwill

    @cpwcomputerplayerwill

    4 жыл бұрын

    Don’t worry. It took years of brawl and smash 4 before I got decent at the game

  • @spindingus

    @spindingus

    4 жыл бұрын

    Quare Percutis Proximum This isn’t necessarily true, they just have very inhuman reaction time. I still see your point though

  • @KlldbyCuriosity
    @KlldbyCuriosity3 жыл бұрын

    As my dad used to say when I was getting competitive: practice doesn’t make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect

  • @mauricejames8969
    @mauricejames89694 жыл бұрын

    I've been playing smash on and off since melee. I haven't started truly making consistent improvement until ultimate. It wasn't until ultimate that I really became a student of the game, just trying to learn everything I can about my character and everything about the game in general (drag downs, jab locks, tech, etc) Back when Brawl had been out for a bit, I owned it and my friend used to come over and play. I would beat him most of the time but he started beating me too. He was getting better. Then smash 4 comes around. I didn't own it and I barely played it. Now ultimate is out. That same friend won a local tournament in our area using Ganon only. And he basically pockets half the roster. He's gotten so much better, it's inspiring. And I think it shows how hard work will always beat talent if the talented one doesn't work hard.

  • @TheNegationist
    @TheNegationist4 жыл бұрын

    BananaBoySSB: You can’t just play a lot and get better. DDee: I just got good by playing the game lol

  • @malikmuhammad9085
    @malikmuhammad90854 жыл бұрын

    great vid, I've been losing my passion for smash recently. I don't think I wanna go Top tier pro buy I definitely ant to improve. This may have been the food of thought I needed. *_Thanks_*

  • @MiguelLopez-cx1rn
    @MiguelLopez-cx1rn3 жыл бұрын

    While I was hearing you, many concepts of psychology, like creativity, motivation, improvement, and positivity, came to mind and I realized that you actually care and dedicate to this in another whole level. Haha i was even thinking of studying you for my master degree. Really great video! (Sorry if bad english, not my first language)

  • @knight_lautrec_of_carim
    @knight_lautrec_of_carim4 жыл бұрын

    yeah I dropped practice because life got in the way. There's a job, friends and other games.

  • @Arlo5.13
    @Arlo5.134 жыл бұрын

    “It feels like nairo was never not a top player” welp, there goes that streak 😔

  • @toonballoon6244

    @toonballoon6244

    4 жыл бұрын

    Eh he'll still be better than basically all of the world except like 2 people though (Marss and Leo)

  • @JavaIsnom

    @JavaIsnom

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@toonballoon6244 Wbout Ally?

  • @maxono1465
    @maxono14654 жыл бұрын

    3:34 i would recommend you to read 'the will to keep winning' by daigo umehara (street fighter legend) which is about that exact issue.

  • @dbgr9875

    @dbgr9875

    3 жыл бұрын

    I second that, it's a great book that you learn a lot from, I actually did a book project on it after reading the Core-A video on it

  • @Xneocake
    @Xneocake4 жыл бұрын

    2:26 "motivation is dead" I LOVE THAT SONG!

  • @jonasharrison6355
    @jonasharrison63554 жыл бұрын

    Banana Boy, I've always loved your videos but the fact that you put a MegaloBox clip in the video just made me love your videos even more

  • @bestsnowboarderuknow
    @bestsnowboarderuknow3 жыл бұрын

    It's about reaction time. That can't be learned. The top pros in almost all esports can react in .1 seconds, where the average is .25 seconds. If someone can react over twice as fast as the next person, it is obviously conducive to higher-level play.

  • @anthonynorman7545

    @anthonynorman7545

    3 жыл бұрын

    Real talk!

  • @NamelessViking01

    @NamelessViking01

    3 жыл бұрын

    Bruh 0.1 is literally impossible. Average pros are around 80-100 milliseconds.

  • @bestsnowboarderuknow

    @bestsnowboarderuknow

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@NamelessViking01 Bruh, 100 milliseconds is .1 second. Lmao.

  • @NamelessViking01

    @NamelessViking01

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@bestsnowboarderuknow mt bad 😂 I was thinking 0.01

  • @bestsnowboarderuknow

    @bestsnowboarderuknow

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@NamelessViking01 lol it's cool

  • @ikaSenseiCA
    @ikaSenseiCA4 жыл бұрын

    Your videos are a huge reason for my improvements, so thank you. I'm an excellent problem solver, but not a great problem finder. You point out mistakes I didn't even know I had pretty much every video. A big example is punishing landing. I would always go for the same thing, and if they figured it out, I would stop doing it but let them land for free. Now I have many tools in my arsenal for adaptation. :)

  • @dallincandland
    @dallincandland4 жыл бұрын

    This was a very helpful video for me. BananaBoy was my roommate at college for two semesters and I can vouch for everything he said here. He pushed himself so he could go to the tournaments he wanted to go to. He made sacrifices so he could get out these videos as much as humanly possible on his own. He did what he needed to do, and thought more about the long term gain than the short term cost. His work ethic and passion were an inspiration to me then and they still are now. He would spar with me from time to time and give me tips to improve my Pac-Man (which I really appreciated!). This video helped me see that I often would just rest on my laurels when I was doing well and over time that held me back a lot from improving. Let's Go BananaBoy! Thanks for sharing your experiences and advice with us man.

  • @pflor6441
    @pflor64414 жыл бұрын

    I think there is a big difference between "Play more" and "play efficiently" Ofc dont just play lvl 9 cpus every day and expect to out play everyone.its about how you spend that time thats important not the amount of it

  • @xa447

    @xa447

    4 жыл бұрын

    Facing a real person I may as well pu the controller down

  • @adennakashima2267

    @adennakashima2267

    3 жыл бұрын

    exactly. I made very little progress just fighting lvl 9s. I started dedicating time to tech, board control and strategy/response, which made a MASSIVE difference. Usually starting out in training and then forcing myself to utilize the skills in games, even if it makes me lose. You cant ever get used to playing better if you dont truly practice playing better.

  • @pencil6711

    @pencil6711

    3 жыл бұрын

    *me who has no friends* : am i a joke to you?

  • @zollja7625
    @zollja76254 жыл бұрын

    4:20 Did I just see Evangelion casually placed in a SSB video?

  • @Hyushi_sama
    @Hyushi_sama4 жыл бұрын

    3:45 omg .... I feel that one ... but then I go online and fight people who exploit my weaknesses. And they leave and I never get to learn the matchup properly . There are so many matchups and I have zero matchup knowledge cuz I don’t play people out of my community often .

  • @ArsenicChord
    @ArsenicChord4 жыл бұрын

    In a ton of these videos, you've always mentioned mindsets, but I don't recall you making a video on your mindset for smash. I think it'd be a really cool idea! I know that it's different on everyone, but this is something that many people struggle with, and it definitely serves as a huge roadblock in the path to improve greatly, which is a major theme for these videos. It'd be amazing if there were a video on the best mindset to approach things with. In fact, your mindset determines whether you can do these things that you demonstrate in your videos. Personally, this is my own greatest roadblock, so it'd be amazing if you could cover this. (Yes, this is copy and pasted from the last video. To be fair, I posted it yesterday, and I really want this to be seen. Also, this might not fit the context of this video specifically as I haven’t watched it yet, so sorry.) Edit: Oops, I didn’t know about that other video you made. Also, this kind of covered what I was thinking of. Thank you!

  • @sithikamedagedara3796

    @sithikamedagedara3796

    4 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/a5dlxLyxdJm3eqg.html Here is his mindset video

  • @sonataavalon6017
    @sonataavalon60173 жыл бұрын

    My man, I would like to say, this video is something I couldn’t agree with back then, but now, I feel like you’re correct. Hard work is something no one can understand. I played smash for along time, this game is hard to do, when you play, you lose all focus, when I play, I feel like I like have the match, but then lose the match. I didn’t think I’d be able to be in my smash crews. I can’t say I’m good at smash, I just adapt through remembering what others do when I do play my character. I am going to be the best Min Min Player in Michigan, and hopefully the rest of the world. I hope you get better and better at this game, I do as well. Thanks for all you do.

  • @TheAirRon
    @TheAirRon3 жыл бұрын

    Banana Boy is applying the principle of deliberate practice in this video. The book Peak describes expertise research, basically how experts become expert in their field (it isn’t just 10,000 hours). Keys include: having a mental model of what the goal is, having a guide to help guide your efforts, and deliberately practicing areas of weakness in a scientific manner. Recommended reading and great job with the topic Banana Boy.

  • @darkbrotherhood2903
    @darkbrotherhood29034 жыл бұрын

    As a chicken bone collector that one example really helped

  • @santiagomelendez8771
    @santiagomelendez87714 жыл бұрын

    Everything you do, always do your best at it! You'll get better!

  • @JonSkellington
    @JonSkellington4 жыл бұрын

    I started playing Smash Bros when I was really little on Brawl, and my dad would always kick my butt. When Smash Ultimate was revealed, I started practicing Sm4sh a ton, and I started beating my dad about half the time. When Smash Ultimate came out, i realized that I actually still really suck, so I looked up a bunch of tips for the game, and I think that I've greatly improved since then. But in the end, I still suck, which is fine! It allows me to see my mistakes and improve based off of them. Great video, Dude! Thanks to anyone who took the time to read my short story!

  • @ruizroy6
    @ruizroy64 жыл бұрын

    For me, I see 2 "just keep playing" and what some pros might think when they say it. Just keep playing NUMBER 1. learn from it. (i see this as training) with the mentality of wanting to get better, making schedules, and doing different exercises for long periods of time (Yes I do see this as the typical cliche of "just keep playing" because...it is and pros might mean this one when they say it because doing so is how they got their place as Pro smash players and it wasn't talent alone). The just keep playing NUMBER 2. hitting friends up to play friendlies or going online to just play the game, what Bestness might have thought.

  • @SelBoi
    @SelBoi4 жыл бұрын

    *Actually struggle to do DJCZ with Lucas* *See video* Oh...

  • @mr.universe1991

    @mr.universe1991

    4 жыл бұрын

    ayy man, that's really hard. I wish u the best, im practicing desyncs myself.

  • @mpdrago1730

    @mpdrago1730

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm also practicing djcz it's been around 4 to 5 months and I can barely do it consistently

  • @jadyazbeck6089

    @jadyazbeck6089

    4 жыл бұрын

    I feel you, I didn’t used to be able to do unbuffered short hops, and now, well I’m still not great but I’ve gotten a couple top 8’s

  • @not_myosotis813

    @not_myosotis813

    4 жыл бұрын

    so? ya do it yet?

  • @eziashit1501

    @eziashit1501

    4 жыл бұрын

    Check my channel you’ll see the payoff of djcz

  • @jdreid323
    @jdreid3234 жыл бұрын

    It's really about the motivation. When you play with the motivation to be better than everyone, you are more than likely to succeed over someone with a lesser motivation. I played smash 4 for 3 years and was bad because I wanted to win but I didn't know how. I was overall basic until I had one match that made me feel so helpless that in the next match I beat him in an unbelievable way. In an instant I changed the way I played or even looked at smash because I finally had enough motivation to not just get better but to be better than anyone else. Ever since that day my win rate went from 50% to 85% in smash 4. Even in ultimate I'm just as good with 400 hours of game time as anyone with 2000 to 4000 hours just because I wanted to prove I can be just as good with less. I don't believe exactly that it's natural talent but if you push just that hard to figure it out once you do, you won't look at it the same way again, and that applies to anything involving competition.

  • @grapesalad_
    @grapesalad_4 жыл бұрын

    Omg this is just the video I needed. I never realized that just saying "oh I shouldn't do that" doesn't do anything, I actually thought that saying that in my head would let me know to mix it up.

  • @themrmrpicklepicklenoodle4481
    @themrmrpicklepicklenoodle44814 жыл бұрын

    What sucks for me is that I struggle to find my weak points because all my friends who play the game aren't at my skill level at all. There's only one friend I have that pose's some kind of challenge, but not enough to help me improve. The only habit I tried hard to stop and suddenly picked up on again is jumping immediately after I DI away from the blast zone, resulting in me getting edge guarded. That's another problem though because my friends never pick up on my habits and never counter it so my instinct would be to keep on doing it. I think it's just my job to work more towards my improvement with quarantine giving me that time.

  • @enddorb
    @enddorb4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I can feel this. My abilities, even after trying to work on them, are super damn lopsided and I think my approaches are flat wrong, so I need to figure out how to go from here. What's worse is that you see videos like "how to adapt", but no videos like "how to make bad thumbs not go too hard on the stick when you want to walk or use a tilt" or "how to remember combos because you never can even when you were just watching them" or "how to deal with people who have faster, stronger, bigger attacks when you're stuck in shield". Never mind that having Rosalina and Luma as a main means it's hard to tell when I beat someone how much if it is just the advantage of matchup familiarity and how much is genuine skill difference in my favor

  • @Turret0pera
    @Turret0pera4 жыл бұрын

    These videos really strike the problem as at its core, instead of glossing over it with the same generalized quotes. Kudos for really teaching people what it takes to get better, myself included.

  • @isaiahlamers2692
    @isaiahlamers26924 жыл бұрын

    Just found this channel, and your awesome.

  • @Lightning-ig2do
    @Lightning-ig2do3 жыл бұрын

    It's like the 10,000 hour rule. It (supposedly) takes 10,000 hours to be a master at something, but it only takes 100 hours to be 80% of that. When it comes to "being good" at something, everyone who is good at a skill is pretty much at the same level, but it's that extra 20% that separates people who are good at it from people who have broken through that skill ceiling and broken through that mindset of comfortability that most people have once they've gotten good at something.

  • @andrebaxter4023

    @andrebaxter4023

    3 жыл бұрын

    I like the 10,000 hour rule. However, to make sure it works, one has to practice properly. Drilling combos, mastering all of the basics, etc etc.

  • @KiraIsChip
    @KiraIsChip4 жыл бұрын

    Me: *has neither*

  • @taylorallred6208
    @taylorallred62084 жыл бұрын

    Great video. Someone mentioned Gladwell's "Outliers" so I thought I'd mention "Peak: Secrets from the new science of expertise". They key thing that this book mentions is that you have to do "deliberate practice" which I think he described pretty well in the video. You may not have the same opportunities or drive as someone else but you can always get better through good practice. That's just how our brains work and it's crazy. Like, we can adapt to skills that have no use for our survival whatsoever because our brains evolved to adapt to adapting itself.

  • @rodgeers7347
    @rodgeers73474 жыл бұрын

    Something I feel needs to be addressed is, if you want to be the best or one of the best, you have to have talent. Doesn't matter how hard or smart you work. You need talent to be the best

  • @astro_1707
    @astro_17074 жыл бұрын

    Me: Gets pumped up to lab a game to death and be the best Also me: *Sees a literal fetus win EVO* Me: *ExcUsE mE wHAt ThE fRIcK*

  • @colinmeier8140

    @colinmeier8140

    4 жыл бұрын

    UNBORN FETUS 3-STOCKS MKLEO: ZeRo has decided to adopt this unborn child

  • @sealvain6810

    @sealvain6810

    4 жыл бұрын

    Colin Meier with pajama pants

  • @kirby.9601

    @kirby.9601

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@colinmeier8140 You see, pooping his pants was actually very optimal. MKLeo couldn't focus on the game due to the green diarrhea dripping onto the ground.

  • @autumn4442
    @autumn44424 жыл бұрын

    My take on talent vs effort is that talent is like a multiplier. If someone is twice as talented as someone else (though that would be two ends of the spectrum of talent), they will see double the improvement with the same amount of effort. Essentially, talent is a big advantage, but is nothing without/compared to effort.

  • @azophi
    @azophi4 жыл бұрын

    Everyone be talking Talent vs. Effort But nobody talking about how I'm a hero main and kill people at 0%. Neither talent nor effort required.

  • @Gaudimann

    @Gaudimann

    4 жыл бұрын

    But Luck! If you are unlucky, you can´t play Hero, right? xD

  • @haydeemichellemoralessanch6173

    @haydeemichellemoralessanch6173

    4 жыл бұрын

    yeah until you find a character that reflects that xdd

  • @mysti_fay

    @mysti_fay

    3 жыл бұрын

    Prime example of why winning doesn't equate being good at the game

  • @LyfSukz
    @LyfSukz4 жыл бұрын

    Adaptation and creative thinking are important parts of the formula. So people who are naturally good at those things will have an advantage over those who don't. But as you go over in the video, if you really want to get better you HAVE to seek out challenges. That's the best way to start finding what you're not doing right. From that point, your own ability for adaptation and creativity can take you further, and if not then you may need to seek out info or guidance from people farther along than you to figure out how to correct your weaknesses.

  • @retroletro1178
    @retroletro11784 жыл бұрын

    After playing smash since childhood, you tend to see which the difference between a casual, a competitive player and a pro player. Id say the most important is adapting on the fly. Changing up your playstyle by a little could litarally win you the match. Smash is a game where you want to get in your opponents head, make them question if the option there about to pick a good option limiting them on there responses. What i like to do to get them pissed at me is run straight at them ( and if they spotdodge ) crouch once and run away with banjo. (If not b reverse a downb and continue nuetral) its a small thing but those small interactions can make or break the set.

  • @jasonlee2767
    @jasonlee27673 жыл бұрын

    Just gotta say, i love the reference to megalobox, the legend

  • @ionica6038
    @ionica60384 жыл бұрын

    thanks for gen 4 music :)

  • @galaxybutter5624
    @galaxybutter56244 жыл бұрын

    Keep up the great work my dude love these videos

  • @pl3ysnontinde937
    @pl3ysnontinde9373 жыл бұрын

    I don’t have enough time to go to tournaments or friendliest even really. But I’m content with how decent I am in terms of more casual players. Still haven’t even been able pick a main really.

  • @Koolkamjam_KKJ
    @Koolkamjam_KKJ4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video. For as long as I’ve played smash, I’ve never really been able to fix the many habits I’ve had. There are many tines when I overthink things, or rush in to attack without thinking sometimes. I also feel like I’m always too scared of what my opponent can do instead of asking myself what my opponent has trouble doing. I know all the skills with all my characters yet can lose to almost anyone or barely win against anyone. Thank you for the video, I have a lot to think about 😊😊😊😊😊👍👍👍👍

  • @thomasdove9456
    @thomasdove94564 жыл бұрын

    I love your videos! Could you possibly make a video explaining basic things like how to tech and B-Reverses?

  • @REALmyenemy
    @REALmyenemy4 жыл бұрын

    I'm not lammer tier, but I'm as far from actual competitive playing as my main char is from the top rank. I play having fun, and in actual competition I get heavily destroyed (I actually lost against someone who had left hand broken once). When I try to think "what am I doing wrong" or "I can win this", is when I can't win a competitive match at all. Only when I think "Okay, I may not be able to win the match, but I can wreck the match for them", and begin thinking of what my opponent will do next instead of what should I do, is when I have a chance to win these.

  • @skylander84
    @skylander844 жыл бұрын

    Hard work is like a multiplier, it makes your skill grow a lot and can be made bigger even if it just goes up by one. Talent is like an added bonus after the multiplier has been applied, it is nice, but nowhere near as good as hard work.

  • @csolisr
    @csolisr4 жыл бұрын

    I do think that innate skills, or lack of them, can hinder the skill ceiling that someone is able to achieve. For example, I have seriously slow fingers and can't consistently shorthop or wavedash even if my life depended on it. Grinding shorthops has given me no results whatsoever, so I gave up on that and began researching ways to play around my inability to perform any advanced tech and focus on the basics. Yes, it limits my options and yes, opponents able to perform tech consistently will have an easier time beating me, but it's all I can work with and I have to play with whatever resources I do have access to (mind games, neutral, positioning)

  • @metawarp7446
    @metawarp74464 жыл бұрын

    So what matters are the amount of practise, practicing strategy and natural talent. I'd say *The curve of improvement and practise* (y=skill, x=amount of practise) is logarithmic. How high one's logarithmic curve reaches is determined by certain natural abilities. How steep one's curve is (how fast one improves) is also controlloed by certain abilities and also the practicing strategy. But hey, that's just a _hypothesis._

  • @DoctorMarius
    @DoctorMarius4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for doing that outro

  • @heartboyxo2496
    @heartboyxo24964 жыл бұрын

    That's wild that you're out in Utah too! I used to hit the locals back in the day! Is there still a scene in SLC?

  • @AK13th
    @AK13th4 жыл бұрын

    It was incredibly obvious for me with CS when I started. I played in a small town among my friends and was nowhere near the best player. A close friend and I moved to the city for college and played daily at the Cybercafe where players from a few colleges gathered to play along. After just about 4-5 months when we returned to play with our friends back in our hometown (Who have also constantly been playing), we absolutely destroyed then with 42/2 K/D ratios. Even we could not understand, from our perspective, it felt like friends in our home town became worse.

  • @BG-3496
    @BG-34964 жыл бұрын

    Talent/Instinct can only give you so much, but sticking to just talent means you're not learning. Most of fighting games is about paying attention. It's a good combination of learning how to read your opponent in neutral, practicing input executions for command moves and/or combos, and actually enjoying the game itself-- especially enough to practice the first two. The only real talent necessary to any task is enjoying it to a fanatical level of dedication. While it's not exactly Smash, that level of dedication is what makes BrolyLegs competitive level Street Fighter player.

  • @Messy_liness
    @Messy_liness4 жыл бұрын

    I am so glad that someone actually understood what BestNess meant. Great video ✌

  • @brycekrispies6496
    @brycekrispies64964 жыл бұрын

    by far the best response I've seen so far

  • @GyanKeis
    @GyanKeis4 жыл бұрын

    BananaBoy Can you make a video of how to beat an aggressive player? Keep up the good work

  • @doejhonny
    @doejhonny3 жыл бұрын

    There's probably someone out there that could be tournament level after playing the game for 1 week. There's probably also someone out there that can devote their entire life to the game and still suck. (yes, anti-talent is a thing.) Everyone has something they're born to be a master of, but most of us will die before ever finding that thing. Your weird talent could be painting intricate designs on mountains by throwing paint filled darts against rocky cliffsides with your feet. Chances are you will never try it to find out. On the other hand, maybe something as simple as walking is your anti-talent and you start sweating whenever you even think out stairs.

  • @EthanMickanen
    @EthanMickanen4 жыл бұрын

    My biggest issue in smash is going for stylish plays. I play snake, but the way I play him isnt optimal because I dont camp. So I go for risky stuff a ton.

  • @judsonparker4921
    @judsonparker49214 жыл бұрын

    You know you want to join us BBoy. Just do it!! -This post made by the chicken bone collecting gang

  • @ryan4879
    @ryan48794 жыл бұрын

    I wrote this as a response to someone who got killed for holding ledge and thought it might be helpful to anyone having the same problem. " Well that would be why my mans gotta choose your ledge option a bit quicker. This can be applied to a lot of match ups especially ones where the character requires a time to make a set up happen (ex. pac man). Choosing a fast ledge option can help avoid a lot of things and can also bait people into choosing something to cover your quick option. This allowing you to hold ledge longer as a mix up and whiff punish their option"

  • @saatvikpalli7958
    @saatvikpalli79584 жыл бұрын

    I think Bestness tweets were addressing something not about the game and more about people; only some people have the inclination to play competitively consistently

  • @mondaiji679
    @mondaiji6794 жыл бұрын

    i am honestly at a road block right now. i love playing smash and I want to get better but sometimes i feel like everytime i want to punish something i am just....way to slow idk why that is but it sure does feel like that often: i know what you will do but i am too slow to punish it. but to be fair i mostly play online because (well as of now there are no locals anyway) i am scared of going to tournys XD

  • @FinnKid1
    @FinnKid14 жыл бұрын

    if only my self esteem was high enough to take these videos into consideration

  • @Foxuniverso
    @Foxuniverso4 жыл бұрын

    I used to play to a friend that was pretty good, he taught me a lot and showed me what habits i should get, since then id say I'm pretty good, better than a casual (i don't lose to the majority of my friends) and i can have 50/50 with players that practice. Personally I'm not a gamer and definitely a slow learner but for smash id say I'm pretty good, also your vids helped a lot but yeh

  • @markbless419
    @markbless4194 жыл бұрын

    9:27 holy shit that’s Felix Zemdegs, he’s the best 3x3 solver in the world (and holds many other WCA records too)

  • @adennakashima2267
    @adennakashima22673 жыл бұрын

    learning from your losses is one million times more valuable than trying to replicate your wins.

  • @OsseusChicago
    @OsseusChicago4 жыл бұрын

    Would love that clip where the guy cracks open a beer after rock paper scissors

  • @Kass1231999
    @Kass12319994 жыл бұрын

    As one of my artist youtuber said, practice does not make perfect, but there is perfect practice

  • @jonathanveliz2070
    @jonathanveliz20704 жыл бұрын

    I wont lie that chicken bone collecting part made me laugh harder than care to admit

  • @DarkClarity
    @DarkClarity4 жыл бұрын

    In my opinion there isn't much of a discussion to do here. You can become an amazing player with some hard work but to get to the top of the top you will need the talent as well as hard work.

  • @Imprez2564
    @Imprez25644 жыл бұрын

    This is inspiring as an ICs and Wii Fit main, as a lot of times I feel like good characters just.... Win. I need to grind babyyyyyy

  • @justjoshin956
    @justjoshin9564 жыл бұрын

    This is kind of a difficult question, but I struggle with adapting. I notice habits, but then forget to punish because I’m so focused on everything else and I rely on muscle memory a lot. Thoughts?

  • @kingbill8155
    @kingbill81554 жыл бұрын

    Sure, natural ability does help since you don’t have to grind as much as someone with no natural ability, but it only helps to an extent. For example, maybe you’re talented at combos and edgeguarding, but you’ll still have to work hard for the rest of important things for smash like landing, ledgetrapping, etc. Once you get to top level, natural ability won’t matter as much

  • @AmeButCool
    @AmeButCool2 жыл бұрын

    I love how you showed motivation is dead when saying they lose motivation

  • @justaguywhosaweebforfun6245
    @justaguywhosaweebforfun62454 жыл бұрын

    I'm just a guy who's a smasher for fun.

  • @jacobgamber5407

    @jacobgamber5407

    3 жыл бұрын

    Master, you are so.... Full of crap!

  • @LettuceGod1
    @LettuceGod14 жыл бұрын

    I’m fine with bestness making that tweet because now I can just say my family lineage has a long line of shitty gamers as an excuse XD

  • @Fizz-Q

    @Fizz-Q

    4 жыл бұрын

    *Laughs in playing kof since i had 5*

  • @PKYAIR

    @PKYAIR

    4 жыл бұрын

    HboxW

  • @shoggy532
    @shoggy5324 жыл бұрын

    Talent is how fast u can learn something, it does not mean u are really good at it. Someone can be really talented in anything but without the practice it doesnt matter.

  • @dougstacy5175
    @dougstacy51754 жыл бұрын

    pls do a video on why i feel like i’m examining pros who use my character and i spend at least 20 minutes a day in training mode trying to improve at everything that i struggle with but i still feel like i lose way more than i did when i played brain dead

  • @monadoslash
    @monadoslash4 жыл бұрын

    Ur videos make me happy

  • @BlueMoonZerc
    @BlueMoonZerc4 жыл бұрын

    You always mention being able to tell what you did wrong by going back and looking at a vod but I guess two questions. 1. How do you tell you did something wrong? Every time I look at past matches I would mostly just boil it down to a lot of "I got hit here" because dont really get the super ins and outs of "here is what I could have done instead" unless its something stupidly obvious like "you smash attacked here trying to go for a stupid hard read." (I guess in example of your video of being able to learn of enemy teching away HOW are you able to tell and learn from that) but also 2 How do you apply what you learn from before in the new moment if lets say that moment never really pops up but also already having to focus on what you are doing what is the enemy doing and how to guess what enemy is going to do all at the same time?

  • @branbot3000
    @branbot30004 жыл бұрын

    Look up the Dunning-Kruger effect, and look at the graph that shows up. Young BananaBoy who thinks he can beat ZeRo is on top of the peak of Mount Stupid (high confidence, low skill), and average players who know they aren’t the best but have some skill are in the Valley of Despair (low confidence, average skill). But if anyone stuck in that valley has any drive and passion for the game to improve their game, they will continue to build more and more confidence as they improve. And one day with enough hard work they can reach a point of high confidence and high skill to match. This process isn’t exclusive to Smash, it is a mindset that plays out for all walks of life.

  • @firedodger1265
    @firedodger12654 жыл бұрын

    It’s seems like the main point is to always strive to improve not matter your level

  • @aaronmacdonald1370
    @aaronmacdonald13703 жыл бұрын

    intelligence and learning speed are directly connected to IQ which studies have shown is primarily genetic, so problem solving skills and learning quick is "magic talent genes" what's more is how much time someone spends on a game is mostly determined by interest and how much time the individual has, so for any hardcore fan, it comes down to how much time can they afford (which basically means how much money do you have/is going pro viable for you) and how good their "magic talent genes" are. the fact is everyone who makes it big tries hard and so do most of the people who don't, the difference is some try hard and were born with talent in the field they're passionate about and others aren't, some try hard and have all the time and money they need to invest in what they strive for and some don't. I think what people forget about skill vs talent is that someone can have talent and still work hard it doesn't have to be one or the other.

  • @supdude414
    @supdude4144 жыл бұрын

    Mozart was definitely hard work as well as the help of his father who corrected his compositions up to the age of 16. I am sure he also had some talent but he spent many many hours composing from a very young age.

  • @KenDoko
    @KenDoko4 жыл бұрын

    The music in this vid was so nostalgic

  • @pcvrisepic
    @pcvrisepic4 жыл бұрын

    I play smash on separate joy cons should I switch to pro controlllers/ GameCube controllers?

  • @terrymorrill4311
    @terrymorrill43114 жыл бұрын

    Hey BananaBoy, Doublenickels here, I’m not actively playing smash anymore, and I don’t know if you remember me. BestNess has a point, and a very strong one when you look at the science. Of course, this doesn’t mean your genes are the only factor in play, but when we look at IQ research and big five personality research we find that our genes make up a large part of the variance between people, over 50% in the case of IQ. The best predictors of success in any field are IQ and conscientiousness (hard work), so yes, hard work makes a difference, but not everyone is naturally high in conscientiousness. Since we can’t change our genes, we have to look at environmental factors, and this is true of any area of improvement, not just Smash. As we get older we gain more control over our environment, since we’re talking Smash, things we can do include freeing up some time to practice and study, surrounding one’s self with high quality players, attending more events and subscribing to channels like yours in order to make the information more accessible and at the forefront of one’s thoughts. Of course, these measures aren’t always feasible and can’t correct for more serious deficiencies, and in those instances, it’s okay to accept that one might not be a high level player. In my case, I found other interests, a career in a different type of game and wasn’t and still am not in a position where putting hard work towards Smash is feasible. Just adding my two cents, I am a psychology guy after all, so this stuff interests me. Keep up the good content.

  • @Mori-man
    @Mori-man3 жыл бұрын

    you need a combination of both skill and practice. reaction time for example is not something you learn, but combos and habits are something you can.

  • @mandeep1729
    @mandeep17294 жыл бұрын

    I want to play Smash competitive but I don't know which controller I should use. I'm playing with the pro controller because you can do a short hop aerial by pressing X and A. What are the differences between the GameCube controller and the pro controller?

  • @Arlo5.13

    @Arlo5.13

    4 жыл бұрын

    Honestly, play what you’re comfortable with. That applies to all fighting games also, people always ask questions like, “should I buy a fight stick/hit box/pad/etc. to get good?” And the answer I’d give is, “there are top players that use all kinds of control schemes, so no one controller is going to boost you that much. Play on what’s comfortable, fun, and intuitive for you.” If you want to try a GameCube controller, give it a go! I’d recommend just getting some cheap ones on amazon just to see if you like the layout and feel of it before buying something more expensive/officially licensed. I’ve heard people say the GameCube controller hurts their hands, wrists, and/or fingers after a while due to its unique design. I personally love it for smash, but I can see why others might not. I like it because the a button is big and I can roll off of my x and y buttons for jumps really easily into aerials. I also like how the shoulder buttons feel, and the notches on the d-stick are a great thing for me. But again, that’s just what I like, there are plenty of amazing players using pro controllers, joycons, and other methods. Nothing wrong with giving a controller a try! (again, try out a cheap one so you’re not out a decent amount of money for a controller you don’t like) I hope this helped 😊

  • @andrebaxter4023
    @andrebaxter40233 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video. Completely agree. 💪🏾

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