Tailstock Fundamentals: How to use the Tailstock on a Haas Lathe

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This video covers a wide array of topics related to using the tailstock on your CNC Turning Center.
Some of the subjects we touch on are: length to diameter ratio, center drilling, choosing a tailstock pressure, dealing with fragile parts, and choosing and maintaining your live center.
We also review the particular methods for commanding and controlling the Haas Tailstock with M-codes and Settings.
We finish up by watching the same part cut with tailstock support and also without support. Watch the video to see which part finishes first.
Jump to a Specific Chapter:
1. Length to Diameter Ratio: 0:37
2. Center Drilling: 2:35
3. Facing: 3:12
4. Center Drill Depth: 4:50
5. Tailstock Commands: 6:03
6. Setting Tailstock Pressure: 13:27
7. Live Centers: 21:19
8. Unsupported vs. Supported Turning: 24:40
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  • @jimburnsjr.
    @jimburnsjr.9 ай бұрын

    Refreshing... that was one of the best instructional videos I have ever seen; just fantastic in every way. All serious new machinists should see this video.

  • @haasautomation
    @haasautomation9 жыл бұрын

    Awesome new Operator Tips and Tricks video! Ever wondered about using the tailstock on your CNC turning center? Check out "Tailstock Fundamentals" now: kzread.info/dash/bejne/YmV2j7aTcdrRc9I.html #haas #haascnc #haasautomation #cnc #mfg #manufacturing #engineering #tailstock #machining #cncmachining

  • @tiedeken1
    @tiedeken19 жыл бұрын

    Great video, I have a brand new Haas ST30ssy with the Tail Stock and it was super informative even if I have been doing it for 8+ years, just the graphics alone are super great. Thanks

  • @SirRootes
    @SirRootes9 жыл бұрын

    Thank you once again Haas for making a very informative and easy-to-understand video. I watch your videos all the time. Such a pleasure to watch. Cheers guys!

  • @dracorodriguez2387
    @dracorodriguez23878 жыл бұрын

    Pure gold these videos, thanks Haas!

  • @TheSouthernTank
    @TheSouthernTank8 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Haas, your videos are helping me in my CNC milling and turning class

  • @bharathc6214
    @bharathc62149 жыл бұрын

    I am new to this CNC stuff.. Recently got employed.. Awesome narration.. Really helped me a lot.. Looking forward for more videos.. Good job guys....

  • @euclid9718
    @euclid97189 жыл бұрын

    Perfect job! Thank you!

  • @moorepower7
    @moorepower74 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for making the tail stock a pain to get a center knocked out of compared to older Haas machines. We just bought a new ST-20 and there are several things that Haas "fixed" that wasn't broken on our 2001 SL-20. For that matter, there are several things on this version of NGC that have been "fixed" that were perfectly fine on 2 year old NGC.

  • @johnharaldschjelderup8288
    @johnharaldschjelderup82884 жыл бұрын

    Outstanding videos you guys make! Thanks.

  • @ToanNguyen-is2sx
    @ToanNguyen-is2sx3 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Just stepping into my career but knowing these information would definitely help a lot!

  • @danielergomez
    @danielergomez4 жыл бұрын

    Great video, covered some things I had questions on. Just what I was looking for.

  • @bhavyangmodi150
    @bhavyangmodi1509 жыл бұрын

    My favorite automation manufacture company.

  • @tivnator
    @tivnator5 жыл бұрын

    An amazing video! Very thankful for all the information shared!! :D please keep going this way. With more information like this we can understand better the process and its importance in order to buy the best tools, machinery necessary and also work Incredibly BETTER :D thanks again! I can't not thanks enough for all the shared information.

  • @migavia
    @migavia9 жыл бұрын

    Great video,keep it coming!

  • @tj9382
    @tj93824 жыл бұрын

    Very helpful and informative. Thanks guys.

  • @georgebaragan
    @georgebaragan2 жыл бұрын

    As always very good information provided, keep up the good work, thank you!

  • @ShakaLakaMTB
    @ShakaLakaMTB7 жыл бұрын

    Great content guys!!!

  • @IgnacioGarciaNJR
    @IgnacioGarciaNJR9 жыл бұрын

    Definitely a great video guys. Thanks for the good info, I will share this video right about .... now.

  • @h.g.5600
    @h.g.56009 жыл бұрын

    Thanks again Mr. Haas !

  • @sidlinger
    @sidlinger3 жыл бұрын

    This video was SO helpful!

  • @JohnDoe-gv9jv
    @JohnDoe-gv9jv8 жыл бұрын

    Really good, knowledgeable video. Thank you for teaching us that are always learning safe machining practices.

  • @CNCMachinistEducationNetwork
    @CNCMachinistEducationNetwork7 жыл бұрын

    We finally started to use our tailstock on our ST10 at school and this video was fantastic. We wanted to start teaching advanced turning operations and how to set it up. Great job

  • @amcophagwara
    @amcophagwara5 жыл бұрын

    Very helpful video thanks a lot

  • @HuskyMachining
    @HuskyMachining3 жыл бұрын

    This is exactly why I went from our old fadals and our tormach to Haas for my mills, all this free knowledge (its worth lot to newer machinists like in our shop) now that I need a lathe, I know who I'm going to buy, especially since it looks like the controls are so similar....

  • @bigbattenberg

    @bigbattenberg

    4 ай бұрын

    "Tormach' sounds like 'torment' to me, LOL. No experience with them but still I wouldn't want one. Currently working with a couple of good old Okumas, love the quality.

  • @werkzeugmann6224
    @werkzeugmann62242 жыл бұрын

    appreciate the comparison studies!!!! thanks for Speaking with Data

  • @matejkuka797
    @matejkuka797 Жыл бұрын

    I love Haas because they show so much for free like Haas School :) thanks

  • @tranghuuynhhanghiem2158
    @tranghuuynhhanghiem21582 жыл бұрын

    Great Video

  • @AliHureiby
    @AliHureiby9 жыл бұрын

    an informative video like this, and you can get free on youtube. awesome. thanks :D

  • @ajaychudasama8418
    @ajaychudasama84187 жыл бұрын

    very useful for beginner..

  • @warhawk5020004
    @warhawk50200046 жыл бұрын

    i learned alot in this video as i have been having trouble with my tail stock in a haas st30

  • @javieroscargorosito

    @javieroscargorosito

    5 жыл бұрын

    Problems with the retract position?

  • @johnsamuel3688
    @johnsamuel3688 Жыл бұрын

    Great👍👏👏👏😊

  • @hichamelmoutawakil7617
    @hichamelmoutawakil76177 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Haas

  • @nasrahmed6236
    @nasrahmed62365 ай бұрын

    Thank youbso much

  • @panca15
    @panca155 жыл бұрын

    At my cnc turning use manual tailstock systim not automatic. It so easy for operator. 👍👍

  • @densmoremachine3165
    @densmoremachine31659 жыл бұрын

    Question you guys do a video on the g200 index on fly. This would help so much there is not much on line as far as explaining.

  • @allenchen6535
    @allenchen6535 Жыл бұрын

    So helpful!!!!! I got a question. How can I know or check the center of main spindle and center of tailstock at same position?

  • @dudo4412
    @dudo44129 жыл бұрын

    this is what we need,not the bulhshits like bigbrother :) great job guys :) i like these videos, best regards from slovakia :)

  • @agstechnicalsupport
    @agstechnicalsupport4 жыл бұрын

    A great video from Haas Automation showing and explaining the use and features of the tailstock on their CNC Turning Centers. Haas equipment is used throughout the World making life easier for machinists and bringing quality machined parts on our tables. Lathes and milling machines are used in many areas of manufacturing as essential basic tools, including woodworking, ceramic parts manufacturing, metal and metal alloys shaping and manufacturing, plastics and elastomers machining.....etc. Therefore, anyone interested in manufacturing technologies for fun, hobby, as an entrepreneur or for their career should definitely familiarize himself/herself with lathe and milling machine basics and probably also with other non-conventional techniques such as laser machining, plasma machining, waterjet.....etc. Even if you are not a machinist, but a consumer of machined parts, I strongly recommend learning the basics of machining operations and CNC and manual equipment, so that when you prepare blueprints or want a product to be designed and want to place orders for parts, you know better what is possible and what is not possible. Also, the equipment a machine shop uses is an important contributor to quality, lead time and price. Knowing something about your supplier's equipment inventory can give you an idea about whether that particular supplier is a good fit for your specific parts or not, provided you understand something about available equipment. You can visit our KZread site by clicking our logo on the left for additional videos on various manufacturing techniques, good instructional and educative subscriptions and to see videos we liked. Thank you Haas Automation for posting such instructive content about your five star turning centers !

  • @agm8088
    @agm80883 жыл бұрын

    On a Mori, to remove the tailstock, there is a large screw at the neck that you turn clockwise and with a few taps with a hammer and wedge it comes out.

  • @chrisn3794
    @chrisn37944 жыл бұрын

    What about using a tail stick on plastic parts I had to use the tail stock on a small diameter long delrin part and I had trouble with using low pressure. With low pressure the tail stock would alarm out when trying to find the end of the part. And wouldn’t keep pressure on the part. But high pressure deformed my center. I end up just positioning the center in the center hole and turned the part without constant pressure. The live center didn’t spin I had a good bit of taper and some small chatter but it helped some.

  • @prajwaledits5289
    @prajwaledits52897 жыл бұрын

    sir please upload video about st30 machine turret allignment procedures its my request

  • @VietNguyen-mj8vi
    @VietNguyen-mj8vi7 жыл бұрын

    good

  • @TheVist7
    @TheVist73 жыл бұрын

    would you turn a shaft with 200psi tailstock when the shaft has no back support in the jaws? i mean would it be pushed into the chuck?

  • @vihumajimartz6881
    @vihumajimartz68814 жыл бұрын

    I have question ??what kind of live center can I use for lathe ST25 2019

  • @mikeprice820
    @mikeprice8202 жыл бұрын

    how do you get the tool to engage the end of the part with setting 93 keeping the tool away form the TS?

  • @bazookamoose7224
    @bazookamoose72242 жыл бұрын

    What about pausing to make sure that the tailstock engages prior to cutting?

  • @brujoezln
    @brujoezln2 жыл бұрын

    The settings in the video are different in our newgen control st20

  • @dangrimes5078
    @dangrimes50783 жыл бұрын

    I've never figured out how to handle jog the tailstock although I've done it by accident before I just need to know how to do it on purpose.

  • @rafihussain
    @rafihussain6 жыл бұрын

    Got it

  • @BB-li5uh
    @BB-li5uh9 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Informative as always. If you have a part that is to long to face and center when extended you stub it up for those operations. My question is when you extend the part to support it with the tailstock do you have to indicate the face and/or center of the part before bringing in the tailstock? Or when you support the part with the tailstock does it center itself? Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

  • @haasautomation

    @haasautomation

    9 жыл бұрын

    Branden Brown Great question. Typically, after you've faced and drilled your center hole with the shaft set back in the chuck you can just extend the shaft to its full cutting length and clamp it with the tailstock, without any need for indication. This is because choking up on the shaft to drill the center hole should give you the best "on-center" position. The accuracy with which the center drilled (60 degree center drill) hole gets made determines the shaft's maximum run-out and OD concentricity, when you support it with a live center. When the shaft is extended and re-clamped it might be clocked differently in the "stuck out" position, or the shaft might have a little bit of a bend in it. But, despite these issues, once the part is spinning you will be cutting true to the rotational axis defined by the tailstock center and spindle center, and your part geometry will be accurate to that central axis.

  • @JaakkoF

    @JaakkoF

    6 жыл бұрын

    Except it doesn't work like that in the real world. If you have a bend in the material in the extended position and you force it to align with the tailstock and machine it, once you release the tailstock/spindle clamping the part returns to its relaxed state and now you have an out of tolerance part in your hands.

  • @bigbattenberg
    @bigbattenberg4 ай бұрын

    At what point would you be pushing the workpiece through the chuck jaws? I really do not like using the tailstock without a headstock axial stop, ever, tbh. Although it could be tested and applied with the appropriate safety margins.

  • @kchigley5309
    @kchigley53099 жыл бұрын

    Is there a minimum operating pressure of the ST20Y tailstock? It seems on our machine that we get a tailstock undershoot alarm when retracting at 100 PSI, but the issue is resolved at 125 PSI. We were not running at a higher PSI due to part pushback, but we plan to solve that issue with a different set of jaws and then increase the tailstock pressure to the recommended 200 PSI.

  • @haasautomation

    @haasautomation

    9 жыл бұрын

    Kenneth Higley Sorry for the delay Kenneth! There is indeed a recommended operating pressure for the ST-20/30 hydraulic tailstocks. Per the Lathe Operators Manual (pg. 96): "Recommended minimum hydraulic tailstock operating pressure is 120 psi. If hydraulic pressure is set lower than 120 psi, the tailstock may not function reliably." It sounds like your plan is to make a new set of jaws which will include a locating back face to act as a stop for the part. This plus an increase to 200 psi pressure should prove to be a more reliable method of holding your work piece. Hope this helps. Have a great weekend!

  • @craigmcsellsalot7099
    @craigmcsellsalot70999 жыл бұрын

    Great video! For setting 93, the video shows the operator entering the "operator" position into setting 93. Should this not be the "machine" position?

  • @haasautomation

    @haasautomation

    9 жыл бұрын

    Good catch KB Machinist - We should be looking at the X-axis "Machine Position" when we are checking and choosing our Setting 93 clearance value. In this case all three values were the same, but you should always use the "Machine Position" for this step of the procedure. We will be adding a note in the video to clarify this point. Thanks!

  • @phranklyn
    @phranklyn3 жыл бұрын

    Maximum deflection isn't at the tailstock end, it's at the midpoint

  • @tiedeken1
    @tiedeken19 жыл бұрын

    heres a video of the unloading of the machines a few weeks ago MLS Machines Part 2

  • @CSGhostAnimation
    @CSGhostAnimation Жыл бұрын

    I just gotta ask, why is this in Korean subtitles as well? lol They're really good.

  • @AjayRajDhakad
    @AjayRajDhakad3 жыл бұрын

    I want full training regarding to Haas control lathe in Chennai, including operation, settings, and programming. May you assist me through your certified trainer, please?

  • @Eggsr2bcrushed
    @Eggsr2bcrushed7 жыл бұрын

    So just ramming the TS into the part with hand jog is the proper way of finding the clamping position?

  • @hoarp001

    @hoarp001

    7 жыл бұрын

    It specifically says that jogging the tail stock into the part to clamp is NOT the right way to clamp the part. It says to use M21 only to clamp the part.

  • @prasanthek1685
    @prasanthek16853 жыл бұрын

    Onley hass👍👍👍👍

  • @JarppaGuru
    @JarppaGuru2 жыл бұрын

    26:17 you have HAAS use so good SSV

  • @JarppaGuru
    @JarppaGuru2 жыл бұрын

    5:45 same as using 60 insert for 55 threads lol or wise versa lol

  • @dragonflyfab8982
    @dragonflyfab89826 жыл бұрын

    Where is the setting105/106/107 video?

  • @stephendenton3209
    @stephendenton32093 жыл бұрын

    I don't know about the newer lathes but my old 2007 SL30's tailstock has been useless since day one.

  • @wayemer
    @wayemer Жыл бұрын

    What if I don’t want a center drill hole in the end of my part when the part is completed? Teach people about a spud on the end.

  • @JarppaGuru
    @JarppaGuru7 жыл бұрын

    3:57 is 140mm D and 500mm AND longer from jaws too long to face and drill. tell my boss :) is it matter if only drill center with other machine that not even centre both ends and then use them cut part.. first side propably go ok. but next side centrehole not anymore center for surface we just cut and use soft saw to hold them. tell my boss :)

  • @miguelnavarrete9391
    @miguelnavarrete93914 жыл бұрын

    En castellano me gustaría más, poner opciones de idiomas

  • @Ryesagain
    @Ryesagain7 жыл бұрын

    can I have a Haas unit? :D

  • @diogodiego1450
    @diogodiego14509 жыл бұрын

    Can i See french video??? Please!!!!!

  • @ivr3835
    @ivr38359 жыл бұрын

    Great Video. I wish me Translate to German

  • @haasautomation

    @haasautomation

    9 жыл бұрын

    Hi Ivan Rosbach - Thanks for the compliment. We're glad you like the video. Be sure to subscribe to Haas Automation Europe's KZread channel; they will post translated versions of the video soon! Find them by visiting kzread.info.

  • @JarppaGuru
    @JarppaGuru7 жыл бұрын

    1:34 propably not or sure it will need. if you clamb it so far you sure want cut diameter smaller. so your L:D ratio come higher. unledd yo sharpen pencil you fine :)

  • @Austin17070
    @Austin170705 жыл бұрын

    5:50 I'm no mathematician, but that line looks a little bigger than 60 degrees lol

  • @mattegee1984
    @mattegee19846 жыл бұрын

    what happens when you hit a scenario where M21 causes a tailstock undershoot alarm, but the foot pedal engages fine?

  • @javieroscargorosito

    @javieroscargorosito

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hola, yo también tuve problemas con la tailstock , cada ves que leía m22 decia "contrapunto corto". el parámetro 293 estaba en "1000" y lo cambie a "300". Y por el momento está solucionado

  • @wrenchwms2635
    @wrenchwms26352 жыл бұрын

    I cant seem to find videos that apply to the TL lathes so little of this information in this 30min video is useful to TL users...

  • @mateuszchmielewski7311
    @mateuszchmielewski73117 жыл бұрын

    BUT ALWAYS M22 AFTER M05 !!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @gertkristensen6451
    @gertkristensen64515 жыл бұрын

    400 psi says nothing about the pressure on the part it is hydraulik pressure on the piston,,,,, 200 psi on a 150mm piston is not the same as 200 psi on a 200mm piston ..

  • @bigbattenberg

    @bigbattenberg

    4 ай бұрын

    Correct! You need to look at the chart that is on the machine to know how much force is applied.

  • @hoarp001
    @hoarp0017 жыл бұрын

    Im confused, you say 0.00055 inches is "Five tenths"... surely a tenth of an inch is 2.54mm, and five of those is way more than 0.00055 inches! Imperial is so confusing! How can seomthign called five tenths not actually be five tenths of your base unit! Im so glad we use metric here...

  • @checksum00

    @checksum00

    7 жыл бұрын

    It's machinist parlance, in USA and Canada at least. When discussing tolerances in the imperial system at least, we say "5 thou" ou "5 thousands" referring to 5 thousands of an inch (.13mm). Some people will even omit the "thousands" saying things like "plus or minus 5". Now when he says "5 tenth", he is referring to 5 tenth of a thousands of an inch, or 5 ten thousands (.0005 or .013mm). It is actually 5 tenth of the base unit because the base unit when discussing tolerances are thousand of an inch. Metric is confusing too buddy. People are used to what they use daily. As somebody that as grown up in the metric system (in Canada) and switch to the imperial system in professional life, I much prefer the imperial system, at least in the engineering realm.

  • @JaakkoF

    @JaakkoF

    6 жыл бұрын

    "Metric is confusing too buddy." Mind giving an example?

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