The pin needs to be smaller. Not bigger. To allow the saw blade to travel further and hog out more material. This is mentioned in the video supplied when purchasing the plans from The Woodfather. Nice work on the video, clear and very watchable.

well done young Man keep golng

Nice job Dave. I have just been looking at making one of these jigs myself and watching and listening to you making this one has give me the push I needed to get on with it and do it! Thank you. Take care and hopefully see more from you soon. 👍

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate appreciate it

Love it, great video with clear instructions well done Dave 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

After a lot of searching, I found The Woodfather - Mario's design from 8-9 years ago, and then your excellent video, which seems to be largely based on his plan. I'm definitely going to make this - I had planned on a similar style of router jig, but this looks easier to make and use.

Blinding job young man! 😎 That's nothing short of genius and presented in a very easy to understand format. Thanks indeed matey. 👍

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate appreciate that

Nice job. Thanks for your honesty in showing what didn't work too well as well as what did. So many content creators only show take 18 and not the 17 failures that when we go to our own workshops and make a few mistakes it can be demoralising.

@GrumpysWorkshop4

Жыл бұрын

Well i don't claim to be an expert so showing mistakes doesn't worry me. We all make them it's how we learn.

@raytry69

Жыл бұрын

Failures are the best teachers.

Don't doubt yourself dave, grate jig mate, will be making one

@GrumpysWorkshop4

3 ай бұрын

Thanks mate appreciate that

That is cool and such a useful jig. I have been toying with the idea if making a box jig some point, but yours definitely take it up a level from what I have in my head. Thanks for sharing

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, it's a great jig

the only youtube I have ever seen to show this jig is called "Woodfather" so please mention it

@GrumpysWorkshop4

Күн бұрын

I watched a few videos on KZread including woodfathers. If you search you will find them. Also if you read the description I mention the woodfather although others have pointed out he wasn't the first person to come up with this design. I can't say who came up with it first which is what I said in the video

Very very good Grumpy, a very good indexing machine!! Bravo 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

Nice one Grump. I'll watch it over 4 or 5 times and then give it a go I think. Many thanks, regards, Fred

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate appreciate it.

Well done another excellent video and you shouldn’t doubt yourself you have great skill set when it comes to making things off cuff like you do 👍

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate appreciate that.

Great build.Like the way you show your mistakes.It surely helps a lot.You have a wonderful 2024.

That is a piece of genius.

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Not my idea though but it's a great design

Great job!

Brilliant! Well done mate, something for me to attempt when I finally get a decent table saw 👍

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, yeah it's a great design

Thanks for sharing your ideas I will give it a try.😊

Top work Dave, I was looking for a way to make box joints without buying a dado stack. Now I just gotta buy the table saw

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Ha ha thanks mate🤣🤣

Thanks for the just what I was looking for

Good idea! Nice

Top man, top jig!!!!

@GrumpysWorkshop4

8 ай бұрын

Thanks

This jig is great Dave. I don't think I could have built it better than you. I have learned a lot and i thank you for sharing it. The process of making it is very interesting and simple only because you have presented it that way. Thank you again. God bless you for your enthusiasm in wood working.

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate for the kind comment I appreciate that

@rosariomusumeci3615

2 жыл бұрын

@@GrumpysWorkshop4 My p,leasure

@Bluuuz

7 ай бұрын

Excellent jig. Your build process was really clear. I might even be able to make this myself!

Nice job Dave I love this one 👌🏻

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate

Nice one mate looks like a well made jig that will come in handy

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate

Hi, came across this after looking at the woodfather version. Cracking job. I’ll definitely be trying your version.

Nice video - I made one of these a couple of years ago and , given a couple of the questions below, I have two furthere suggestions. You can make different patterns, if you cut the sides (call them the rails) of your box with whatever pattern of ups/downs you chose, then cut the stiles (without a spacer on the front of the jig) by reversing the ups to down - and the downs to up and they will match perfectly! As for the pin.... I cut s slot just thinner than the saw blade and then hang - WAIT FOR IT - feeler gauges down through the slot so they hand about an inch down between the adjustable fingers. You can fine tune it by swapping combinations of feeler gauges till it's perfect. Aslo, if you change to a blade of different thickness you can change the pin width easily. Job done!

@GrumpysWorkshop4

7 ай бұрын

That's a great idea thanks for watching & taking the time to comment I appreciate that

Nice video Dave, great jig. Never doubt yourself, we've all had to learn. Happy New Year

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate appreciate that

Well done Mate works a treat you never know if you can do it until you give it ago. 👍🔨

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

That's so true, either way I would still post the video as it still might help others. Thanks for watching

I'll tell you what Dave, that's a superb jig design and build. I enjoyed watching, the end result is brilliant. Nice work. Tony

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate appreciate that. It's not my design but I like it a lot

That's really clever Dave. I wasn't sure how you were going to solve the problem of cutting out consistent fingers. Nice job!

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

It's a clever design but it's not my design. It is a brilliant idea

Great idea, good video as always, never knew that you could do that on a table saw definitely going to try it out too happy new year to you,& family 🎉

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate appreciate it

So glad you gave credit to The Woodfather who did this jig some time ago. A clear video though - try a flat top saw blade - not sure if that was what you were using.

That’s a great versatile jig Dave and you really shouldn’t doubt yourself. I made one for my basic router table based on Matt’s (Badger Workshop) design and added a stop to it like you’re going to do 👍. It’s good that you leave in your mistakes so we don’t repeat them, ‘cos then we can make new ones of our own 😂😂😂.

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Mistakes are a big part of my channel 🤣🤣. Thanks for watching

@raytry69

Жыл бұрын

@@GrumpysWorkshop4 Failure is not the opposite of success. It's part of it.

@luizsouza396

Жыл бұрын

@@GrumpysWorkshop4 q

@PureBloodWNC

Жыл бұрын

@@raytry69 success is one more attempt after the last failure. Edison once said I didn’t fail 1200 times, I found 1200 ways a lightbulb didn’t work before I found the one that did. All that to say, exactly right sir!

Nice job 👍🏻

Great video Dave, a very useful jig and your video makes it easier to understand how to make one I might try making one in the future 👍👍

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

It's a great jig, shame it's not my design but I like it

Great video. Loved the stats at the end 😆

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate appreciate that

Nice project you have motivated me to make some plywood storage boxes to replace all the awful fabric covered cardboard ones the slacker in me purchased on Amazon.

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate

Nice jig Dave, you must have the patience of a saint. Well done mate.

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate appreciate it

Excellent and a job well done. I shall attempt to build one in the next few weeks 👍👍👍👌👌👌

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thankyou appreciate it

Good for you mate.good job.well done.👍

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate appreciate it

Realy like your Video Dave. Keep up the good work

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thankyou

Great jig Dave. I’ve been watching probably similar videos on various jigs that I want to make when im back on my feet after my recovery.

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, yeah I need to make a better crosscut sled, mitre sled

Excellent! I'd suggest adding a steel plate to the spacer that contacts the template holding bolt. It will give more consistent tightening of the template blocks I think. I'd cut up a cover plate from a metal outlet box.

Just thought about it, your pattern blocks on the back just add a bit of painters tape toe eash to allow for the blad to move further

Very nice jig. Some day we just have to try something like this. (when we get better at woodworking.) 😀

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

You're already good at woodworking. If I can build it so can you.

Nice one mate !!

@GrumpysWorkshop4

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate appreciate that

Really wonder thnks for your vedio.

Absolutely awesome, It’s like a wooden enigma machine, Definitely going to give this a go. Can you do an update video when you have thrashed out the pin size?

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, I'm sure you will see it in use in upcoming videos

Wrap a little tape around your pin to increase the diameter and spacing between the fingers. You can check it with a pair of calipers and see how many wraps you need to cut down on how many tries it takes you.. About 4 thou over the thickness of your stock is what should be about right for a good glue joint.

@GrumpysWorkshop4

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the tip

Nice trick with the superglue plus wood glue. Like the way you work.

@GrumpysWorkshop4

Жыл бұрын

Thanks appreciate your comments

Buentrabajo ...Gracias. Me he suscrito a tu canal.

Shout out to the Woodfather…

Absolutely brilliant! Way to go. I'm going to make one for myself this weekend. You also got another sub here. Thanks for sharing your idea! Cheers

@GrumpysWorkshop4

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching & commenting I appreciate that

nice and simple, well done, to make life easier i would glue your template blocks together so to change size you just pull out the block and put the new size in

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Yes i did think about doing that

If you want the joint to be looser you need the diameter/width of the pin to be slightly smaller than the kerf of the blade.

I was about to say that looks mighty familiar ;) But you worked it out without needing the plans. Mario recently re-did a new version of this but yes, his original one is a very old video. It is certainly a good design folks can adapt to their own saws.

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I thought this one would be easier to build. It's a great jig

That's how I work I normally change and improvise halfway through last year I made a lovely dovetail pair of underpants

Well! You have 1 more sub, partner! Keep up the good work

This is genius! I much prefer this to those 'ultimate jigs' that use 200 quid's worth of timber and clamps to do exactly the same thing. Keep the mistakes in please - it lets the rest of us know we're not on our own. Happy New Year.

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate appreciate that. Like I said it's not my design but this suits my needs

I noticed that your pin was flexing a bit. That's going to make a big difference on the size of each finger. I suggest a steel pin, like a finishing nale or upholstery staple. Cheers🥂

Nice jig. Love it. Great idea. I wonder if I wouldn't adapt it to a router table, of course using a bit that's not too big, say 6 mm in diameter.

@GrumpysWorkshop4

11 ай бұрын

I'm sure you could do it on a router table

to stop your runners expanding when screwing them on make sure you drill clearance holes in the runners.

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

I did do that but maybe didn't drill the right size. Got more jigs to make so will try on those

Hey! I like this jig. It's very straight forward and practical. I watch a lot of creators and have seen some fancy, complicated box joint jigs. Yours is right up my alley. Thus design would be easy to make a variety of different patters for variations. A thought occurred to me: the pin could be made to swivel up after each cut for ease of moving over to next notch(?). Not trying to redesign your jig. Thanks for sharing your work!

@GrumpysWorkshop4

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your kind comments & thanks for watching I appreciate it

I would check the thickness of each individual piece of plywood from the template as i figured there can be inconsistencies in thickness in plywoods which can result in a tight or inaccurate fit in this case

your a asda price shopper :) :) smart man

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Ha ha how'd you know 🤣

That's an exceptional piece of work my bro.. U made this from ur head.. So u thought about it and made it.. I gotta give u huge credit mate bcos that takes a bit of thinking.. Keep up the great work pal.. Love the easy going nature of ur channel too man.. When I saw u making the 1st lotta cuts my thought was Oh shit that's really clever.. Honestly broI salute u for that Jig.. Hello from Dublin too btw..

@GrumpysWorkshop4

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate appreciate that

Wouldn't this jig also work to create uneven fingers? Try putting two vertical template pieces separated by one horizontal piece (repeating the pattern), then load two sides, cutting both ends. Reverse the template pattern, then cut both ends cutting the rest of the fingers. If that works, you might try a random pattern. Great jig already!

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate appreciate that.

Nice jig is that mate,,,,Dave instead of pilot drilling then countersinking you can get them that do it all in one go you know so it saves time on swapping them over.

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, yeah I have a set but they're not great

Man some 1/4 in aluminum bar stock cut up to make the fingers and even the kurf pin if you ground it down to the width of blade. It would make sure moisture in the air never affects fit. You drill a hole through all the aluminum fingers for then to swivel up or down and then round the bottom corner off the finger that sets to the bottom and against the fence so it can rotate up and down. Then you could run a piece or 3/8 all thread through them to spin on so they are either stood up or laid down. Then you just tighten a knob like a draw bar to secure them all together and you never have to worry about losing the fingers they are precisely 1/4 inch increments you could make any joint you want. You could use plywood too or better yet even the HDPE plastic instead of aluminum to make the fingers. Sorry I can't help but try and improve everything I see. But this is a very awesome build. I have a box joint jig I use that I made, it uses a large 16 tpi all thread and half nut to move over every time and it makes great fingers but they are all one width and I use a dado. I love this and I see one in my very near future. Thank you for the upload.

can you tell me what you did to make the jig cut the fingers so that they slid in to allow for the glue thanks keith

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

You can make minor adjustments buy making the hardwood pin thinner or thicker. Once you have it to where the fingers are tight enough but not too tight that should give room for glue.

looks like a good simple jig, i dont know if it would work, but could you put a single layer of tape on one face of every other pin to allow for glue? maybe it would throw everything off..

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

That's a good point, I'm not sure what difference that would make. Gonna fine tune it & practice

This is fantastic mate, awesome job. I've wanted to build some kind of box joint jig and this is definitely the one I'm going to go for. Out of interest, what blade are you using? Is it flat top? I can't seem to find one🤨

@idlersdream826

2 жыл бұрын

I got a FTG blade for my Dewalt table saw from saxton blades.

@nerdsaw.workshop

2 жыл бұрын

@@idlersdream826 really 🤨 I've used them before but never spotted an ftg blade. Will have another look. Thanks

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Mine is a Freud 40 tooth blade

A thicker pin would make the slots wider?

Toward the end, wouldn't the pin be too large not to small? Smaller pin allows more travel...would need a smaller not larger I think.

It occurs to me that the support slide is getting cut too isnt it

@GrumpysWorkshop4

9 ай бұрын

It does indeed but you can use a sacrificial bit of wood to place behind the work pieces if you're worried about tearout or replace it once in a while or both

Should the pin be as wide as the kerf of your blade?

@GrumpysWorkshop4

9 ай бұрын

Yes that's the idea

Olá boa noite, faça um pra mim lhe agradeço adorei muito bom maravilha 😻

@GrumpysWorkshop4

Жыл бұрын

Thankyou I appreciate that

How do you manage the sawdust ? I have built the jig and started testing it. The very first concern is that every two fingers, there is some amount of sawdust squeezed below the sliding piece of wood which prevents to do precise cuts. Any suggestion will be more than welcome. Frédéric (from France).

Thanks for this, nice little jig, Stop doubting yourself ,your doing well, earned a sub from me.....Question please, What table saw are you using in this video please ? Cheers

@GrumpysWorkshop4

7 ай бұрын

In the video I was using the dewalt 7491 which is the bigger version of the 745 not sure they make it anymore. Then I changed to the axminster craft tabkesaw but didn't like it so now have the lumberjack ts1800

@sitgesvillaapartmentneilsc7924

7 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot ,thats great info. Cheers@@GrumpysWorkshop4

Instead of having to keep swapping the templates to the size needed all the time.Could you not have 1 long piece with pre cut out different size spaces so you could just swap the whole piece to the size required.If you put 1 threaded bolt from each side you could lock it in place then.

@GrumpysWorkshop4

Жыл бұрын

I have thought about that, it would definitely save time & make things easier.

I love your take on the #woodfatherjig, as well as the original jig itself. With that in mind, I was wondering… Assuming you have a way to ensure that you could make repeatable straight holes in exactly the same spot on the template pieces, could you put a threaded rod through them with a nut on one end to tighten and loosen the pieces?

@GrumpysWorkshop4

7 ай бұрын

I'm sure you could do that. I was thinking about fixing the templates together permanently somehow. That way you could just swap between the different size templates as needed. Thanks for watching & commenting

@shawnd7798

7 ай бұрын

Thank you sir. I just was thinking, to put them on the rod, you'd need to make sure the bottom corners of the templates near the front panel can clear that panel without throwing off where the pin hits them.

Nice job! Round the top of the runner and wax it with paraffin.

I know my elevator doesn’t go to the top floor but which pin are you adjusting??

@skbillmechura

6 ай бұрын

1/19/24

Hey, hoping you see this. I have that same tablesaw but the red Diablo blades are thinner than the stock riving knife that came with. We’re you able to find a thinner one? I have been looking for awhile. The stock knife is too thick that makes the cuts get stuck when the material tries to pass.

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Mine is the 7491 & I think if I remember correctly the original dewalt blade had a 2.8 kerf. The blade I'm using is a Freud 40 tooth multipurpose blade with a 2.6 kerf & I've had no problems with material getting stuck.

You can get a CMT Orange tools 6mm kerf blade it's more efficient for less passes over blade make sure you look carefully at the dimensions [ groving 240.060.06M O150mm bore=30mm Z =12 FLAT MAX RMP 10000 ] .... Can be stacked carefully of course

Do you have rough dimensions of each of the pieces?

Hi grumpy I've just watched your video and I think you have done a fab job making your jig, in my opinion it doesn't make a scrap of difference who's original idea it was your interpretation works so happy days 👍👍👍👍👍👍 I've had to subscribe so I hope it reduces your 181.3 years lol here's an idea for yo why not add a metal plate between your locking screw and first block, this should prevent the screw denting n distorting the block n provide more overall even clamping pressure, just a thought 😉 oh n trust to your skills your better than you credit yourself for, at first I thought I was watching me in your video becoz I do the same thing lol very loudly 10/10 from me to you brother

😂 181.3 years.... is that all 😂. Your still going to get there before me 😂🤣. Nice jig Dave. Have a bit more faith in what you can do. You just proved you can do it so good job. Stay safe mate 😁👍

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

181.3yrs is doable right🤪🤪

@frankslittleworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

@@GrumpysWorkshop4 😂 Easy 🤣😁👍.

Great work! I've made this jig too (and made a video haha) it's the absolute tits and versatile. Cheers

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate yeah it's a great idea

what about making a template by notching a single piece of wood, rather than stacking of so many blocks? other than that bit of criticism, a very nice build. your brain seems to work a lot like mine. because of that, I may have one of the largest piles of scrap lumber in the entire state...

Hi Dave, I saw Inspire Woodcraft doing a very similar jig and he has a great way of accurately cutting the pin to exact blade width. This is his link kzread.info/dash/bejne/oKerl9OlosfeYqQ.html it saves trial and error. Another thing that might be altering your cut tolerance is how tight you are tightening the blocks at the back. Compressing too much will make the gaps smaller and tighter

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the link that's a great tip. I did think about how hard I'd clamped the templates & that it may have an effect. I still need to dial it in properly so will be trying it out

@JohnColgan.

2 жыл бұрын

@@GrumpysWorkshop4 slightly bulky option is to glue them together at chosen spacing & hold them in place with a rail. Another size, glue another set. Just rely in slip fit. Then you can concentrate correct pin for looser/tighter joints

@GrumpysWorkshop4

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnColgan. that's a good idea too. Cheers mate

@tarasden63

Жыл бұрын

Wouldn't it also make a difference when clamping the stock to the front with the template that you don't make it too tight there? The template tightness may dictate how tight the joints will be.

Shame you ended the video without showing the actual, correct pin size for correct width. I think that is the piece that'd make this a stand out jig.

@rbwoodwork1890

7 ай бұрын

@johncobjinglehi the pin is the width of the blade being used. Hope this helps.

Bb

' that the woodfather actually designed the first variation of this jig' LOL That's only a minor reversal of 'Fisher's Shop' 's jig from years before. And if you find other similar jigs, some of the videos reference articles from the 1980's and before. None of this stuff is new, these are extremely minor variations of old ideas.

For your next project make a kerf jig for making datto cuts for future jigs. Something else you can do if your kerf pin is slightly too small is add tape to it, that will add about .002-.004 inches (0.050-0.10mm) to the width of your cuts. If the pin was too loose you could simply sand it down a tad.

a lot of work, just go buy a dado stack for $100, the time to don't waste with this method you will pay you back many times.

@GrumpysWorkshop4

Жыл бұрын

Most saws here in the UK don't take dado stacks that's why I made the jig. You can get them but they are very expensive.

Yours is similar to the "Woodfather" design, but not exactly the same. I like yours better. The fact that there is wood out in front of your fence means you don't have to put anything down in front of it before you do a project like he does.

This is way too complicated

Sorry, that's all I could stand, about 4 minutes. Please tell me, why do you guys not pronounce the "T" in words with a "T" in it? SOMETIMES. When you write those words, do you leave the "T" out? Why or why not!? It's maddening.