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@zimnium1

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZXVlm8NxmtPJdNo.html I recommend doing this for the Tab S8 Ultra since it is significantly under-clocked

@zimnium1

2 жыл бұрын

Also, Genshin Impact is better optimized from the Galaxy Store than the Play Store

@parvezmirzai7986

2 жыл бұрын

U just made a mistake if u play any game in lowest graphyic it wite give u the best fps put the tab im low and the fps will be better and also any kind of game ur playing will give u the same result like as i mentined for u.

@hamdanizakaria9194

2 жыл бұрын

Cod mobile u left graphic quality at low for iPad pro while max in tab s8 ur Data is faulty 😒

@X862go

2 жыл бұрын

tab 8 ultra!

Some of the reviews for this don't make sense. This kzread.infoUgkxUGaHtKW8MwCql2fPyIm9-ftTqSMzKFFA works as well as any power strip I've used. Plug in what you need, be sensible about it & keep it movin' The construction is plastic but it's a sturdy piece. It has a single toggle switch & the swivel jacks are useful as well. Plugged in next to Tripp Lite Isobar takes some of these reviews with a pinch of sumthin' - does what it says & functions properly.Had for about a month. Perfect no complaints will update if anything changes.

Wild Rift's 60fps cap is not Samsung's issue, it's Wild Rift. It only allows devices recognized by them to run at higher FPS maybe later Riot will give support to the Tab S8.

@user-ui7tk4sg6t

2 жыл бұрын

What about COD ??? It show 60 fps !!! If you are a company and you don't have a developer support you are not a competitor, it's like Microsoft phone with no app store begging for developers to make apps for them with lot of money and no one cares 😄 , when you buy an apple device, you bought the company trust and service and support , Don't be sensitive in tech world

@nagarjuna.pasupula

2 жыл бұрын

​@@user-ui7tk4sg6t really have u ever played a game before. in ipad he is playing "medium" graphics with 120fps and comparing "very high" graphics with 60fps like playing 1080p with 120fps vs 4k gameplay with 60fps both are not same in ipad m1 (im using) in COD with VERY HIGH graphics get only 40fps do u know that..but in samsung get 60fps that is great.

@themidrangeplayer8518

2 жыл бұрын

@@nagarjuna.pasupula yes.

@themidrangeplayer8518

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-ui7tk4sg6t have you ever gone to a samsung store? If you do then every service center is not the same..

@shadowios7033

2 жыл бұрын

Can agree, when I got my M1 on Release date, wild rift, unsurprisingly, didn’t support 120FPS until a couple weeks later.

It dropped to medium graphic settings for the iPad Pro when Ultra frame rate was selected.

@Lexi_zad

2 жыл бұрын

exactly

@apoorvagarwal6362

2 жыл бұрын

Yah On Ipad he is on medium settings.

@DatroVoided

2 жыл бұрын

That’s only because of Activisions lack of optimization

@yvujfifigoifudduff3679

2 жыл бұрын

@@DatroVoided ohh so the game is at fault ?

@ABDTalk1

2 жыл бұрын

@@yvujfifigoifudduff3679 Not if it's samsung, then it's samsung's fault.

3:26 graphics quality is set to medium when you changed the framerate setting So the graphics settings were not equal

@untitledsurfer8503

2 жыл бұрын

That's what I was going to say. He only increased FPS limit to ultra, not graphics, which was set to medium... I'm sure the iPad would easily win either way but the graphics were not right

@MD-wz8uz

2 жыл бұрын

He is so bias

@rless3185

2 жыл бұрын

@@untitledsurfer8503 ipad won't win lmao

@MD-wz8uz

2 жыл бұрын

But he is also right. I sold my iPad and got the ultra and boy am I regretting it. The trackpad is horrible, and the software is just not on par with iOS, I’m returning it and getting my iPad back pronto.

@Adios1012

2 жыл бұрын

@@rless3185 ipad has a Chip stronger than 750 ti and as good as 1050 not better but behind 1050 M1 chip 8 cores and 8 thread Android tablets don’t stand a chance until they copy the idea of apple releasing laptop chips in tablet

Samsung has an extra brightness setting that let's you run it at full brightness all the time vs just in hdr mode in display settings. Might be worth enabling that setting if you're testing maxed out settings

@Pablo-cw5tj

2 жыл бұрын

Eyes: No

@clarissaayres2060

2 жыл бұрын

Yea and make the device heat up as well

@known3617

2 жыл бұрын

It makes no difference.

@lsxzalim1198

2 жыл бұрын

Samsung tab s8 ultra is best

@Pablo-cw5tj

2 жыл бұрын

@@lsxzalim1198 Opinion: No

Big thanks for the game developers we can freely resize and reposition the button size of the controls for better experience 👍🏼

Perfdog counts FPS from analysing the frame buffer, so on some games such as Pokémon unite it will say 120 even if the game is rendering at 60 because the UI is rendering at 120. On games such as genshin impact and COD they render the UI at the same fps as the actual game so perfdog can get an accurate reading

@albertstarfield

2 жыл бұрын

ah i see

@Deanspall_

2 жыл бұрын

Xbox series s vs iPad Pro m1 forza horizon 5???

@homurak8

2 жыл бұрын

@@Deanspall_ no? Forza isn’t on mobile

@Deanspall_

2 жыл бұрын

@@homurak8 which is more powerful

@zues287

2 жыл бұрын

@@Deanspall_ Series S

Did you enable 120hz on the s8 ultra? By default, it's turned off. You have to manually enable it.

Guys relax, the Samsung may not be powerful, or light, or have useful optimised software, or run games fast, or have good sound, or good UI, or anything like that.... but it has Dex. So you can plug in an external monitor and not have all these things on another screen as well. It truly is a beast.

@longtiniy5002

2 жыл бұрын

Don't be too obsessed with those gimmick feature....

@TheMarouuu

2 жыл бұрын

@@longtiniy5002 it was sarcasm :)

@cronos1724

2 жыл бұрын

I’m sure this will change. I buy the ipad m1 when i was realized and i have to say it took a time to developers to update games to have 120hz and i know that samsung smartphones have 120 hz and it runs finds. They just need time to update the games. Tap s8 is not as powerful as m1 ipad pro, but games do not need all that power to get 120 fps. They just need time to upgrade it.

@TheMarouuu

2 жыл бұрын

@@cronos1724 To each his own. I don't really mind what anyone is buying just joking around killing some time.

@rajeev_kumar

Жыл бұрын

I will buy Samsung products over Apple products, I don't like apple products, if Steve Jobs were alive then I would have bought Apple products, just to support him.

Hopefully with Android 12L it will optimize games and apps a lot better. Devs might have to give you an option to make the touch buttons smaller and closer to the edges for larger displays.

@user-ui7tk4sg6t

2 жыл бұрын

How could software optimization will do to cpu burn inside with 47% usage just for 50 fps , imagine with 120 fps that cpu will burn literally

@philipjeconiah4905

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-ui7tk4sg6t 😂😂😂😂 software optimization can never save this crap it’ll always be beneath apple iPad Even ordinary mini 6 performs better😂😂 Good one bro, that gpu will literally burn

@jejejejejejeje5182

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-ui7tk4sg6t 😂

@skumarw7810

2 жыл бұрын

Kindly reply it is great help, doubt is that long term usage of samsung tab for book reading causes head ache but apple long hrs usage not cause any headache it is correct

@Made-In-Heaven

2 жыл бұрын

@@skumarw7810 u might have oled flickering problem

This M1 tablet beats many window laptops so this android tablet can’t even come to close.

@nagarjuna.pasupula

2 жыл бұрын

COD ipad support only 40fps in very high but in samung tablets u get 60fps in very high graphics.

@shivamchaudhry5959

2 жыл бұрын

@@nagarjuna.pasupula i think that’s cause of capping the amount of performance to prevent damage to product thing that apple does.

@redink8704

2 жыл бұрын

@@shivamchaudhry5959 then why all that power?

@user-cl6tg6cg4y

2 жыл бұрын

@@nagarjuna.pasupula its normal that graphic options will move down one tier if you double the fps. Its the same in android devices playing pubg mobile. You cant get full graphics if you use 120 fps. Thats how it works for both android and ios. You should know by now that turning on 60 fps on genshin impact instantly overclocks your cpu despite the lowest graphics. Compared to using full graphics in 30 fps, it wont do much.

@shivamchaudhry5959

2 жыл бұрын

@@redink8704 capping is done to ensure that the device doesn’t have any damage structurally so that it can function longer. It’s the same reason why they will never have fast charging. You’ll never actually be able to reach a point where you can feel that the device is tiring or something. The device would feel brand new even after a year or two. I have the new m1 ipad pro, not once could I even raise the temperatures on the device let alone face any issues.

In term of performance, nothing can beat Apple at the moment. but then again, in term of flexibility nothing can beat android.

@colddrawer4878

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao ROG phones clap iPhone 13 Pro Max. Android phones will always be more powerful than any iphone. But for the tablets I'm not sure. Maybe ipad is better but phones Android always wins in terms of performance.

@johanliebert3609

2 жыл бұрын

@@colddrawer4878 you smoking? Only the rog 5 beats iphone 13 pro max at gaming only lmao

@johanliebert3609

2 жыл бұрын

@@colddrawer4878 and yeah ipad are on laptop and pc levels so They are overkill for Androids

@user-rx5qe7iz5v

2 жыл бұрын

@@colddrawer4878 You can get 120 fps in some games that Rog Phone 6 Pro cant but The Rog has better temperature which gives way more stability

@user-rx5qe7iz5v

2 жыл бұрын

@@johanliebert3609 Ipad is the best for gaming

If the iPad Pro beats lots of tablets I imagine when they release the iPad Pro with M2 chip

@sil5592

2 жыл бұрын

That will be amazing

@lol-yz2kd

2 жыл бұрын

That's overkill

@rrp6405

2 жыл бұрын

no reason why not, more performance less power use

@Movie101yt

2 жыл бұрын

What is the point of the M2 chip..if the M1 was actually not useful for everyday complex activities...no good apps, no great os, stupid app optimization, worse file management, too many restrictions, extravagantly expensive, no new update in newer models only the upgrade of chips which is never useful..at this point just save your money and get the iPad air or a 13inch macbook series...the iPad pro model isn't worth it anymore and this channel won't tell you that because the owners are apple sheep's..dont be stupid, if you want a tablet choose the Samsung s8 tabs and if you want more power..the Microsoft surface pro are always available but if you insist on apple..then the iPad air will do a great job too..dont just buy the pro unless you have money to burn.

@ong9079

2 жыл бұрын

@@Movie101yt there are some leaks abt pro app from mac come exclusive for the m1 ipad pro so maybe its will bring some values

Tab runs a smartphone processor, basically a shares lots of things with smartphones. iPad Pro uses a laptop processor so no competition and has its own stuff designed for iPad

@Alex-dz6xw

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@Alex-dz6xw

2 жыл бұрын

@@catboy3471 tab s8 ultra is amazing overall

@Tom-vg5nb

2 жыл бұрын

99 percent of mobile games are gambling simulator piles of garbage. I am not going to buy an iPad Pro or air for tablet gaming.

@TopCars90

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alex-dz6xw android fan boy🤣

@Alex-dz6xw

2 жыл бұрын

@@TopCars90 lol no I’m an Apple fun but tab s8 ultra is a beast of a device

3:14 when you do ultra the graphic quality jumped to medium - so not a fair comparison at all

@rnshorts6497

2 жыл бұрын

Ipad pro would still win but that definitely made the fps for ipad pro higher than the s8u

@rless3185

2 жыл бұрын

@@rnshorts6497 bro ipad wouldnt beat it, max teach himself in the samsung tab s7 comparison said that tab s7 feels better than ipad, so this year, on the same graphics and fps setting, samsung would beat it

@rless3185

2 жыл бұрын

@Richard im a pro codm player and ur totally right

@drIndrakumarChaudhary

2 жыл бұрын

He is mister bias so never mind

@unknown_personW

2 жыл бұрын

@@rless3185 I dont think so. So then why tab s8 still couldnt beat pro m1 in other games?? Ipad is better than all tablets jn world in performance. We're talking about the most powerful tablet which got 1,25 millions antutu bencmark score.

"The bigger device is heavier!" wow incredible reporting.

@abhijeet1471

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@jejejejejejeje5182

2 жыл бұрын

There are some devices that are bigger in length but has less weight

@lol-yz2kd

2 жыл бұрын

No it was sucks reporting. The S22 Ultra is bigger than 13 Pro Max. But 13 Pro Max is Heavier. This video is sucks just like you

In COD MOBILE, You selected High Graphics and Max Frame rate on Samsung Tablet AND Medium Graphics and Ultra frame rate on iPad, Maybe if you selected Medium Graphics you would get the Ultra option on Samsung tablet too. Also the tablet should be running on Its full Frame rate mode to get the Ultra settings enabled. Please do a re-test

@notdaddiy9352

2 жыл бұрын

Nah fact this mf biased asf

@Adios1012

2 жыл бұрын

To be more precise Ipad gives more fps in Pubg and codm Samsung doesn’t have 90 fps options in fps game rn Ipad is 10 times better for gaming

@Adios1012

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gamingful in this case it doesn't apply here Apple 11* inch ipad pro have even higher benchmark than samsung tab s8 ultra It's the os for ios still not optimized yet You can barely use m1 power. It's most powerful chipset ever released in ios/android history Snapdragon can't hope to surpass it as off rn Ipad pro in gaming is 10x superior and the fact m1 is still held back by os is crazy too

The iPad came out in 2021, Tab s8 new one is not yet optimized. But technically, the iPad and the tab are the same. Soon everything will be fine, don’t talk nonsense

It’s kinda unfair to compare a tablets with phone chip with a tablets with computer chip

@startingbark0356

Жыл бұрын

not really, the M1 is actually a mobile processor designed for laptops and desktops but is basically just a massive mobile chip

@wollahmeh8823

Жыл бұрын

@@startingbark0356 no the m1 is a laptop/desktop processor, but its downtuned a bit on iPad so that the chip is more power efficient.

I'm going to be switching to iPhone 14 Pro Max and the iPad Pro 12.9 with M1 processor. My question is, how's the heat dissipation? Is there a case that can help with cooling? I can't seem to find any information on that. As one game I play makes my current phone really hot.

@vincegaming371

Жыл бұрын

There’s a specific gadget for cooling an iPad, it has a set of 6 fans if I’m not wrong

@Kyleplier

Жыл бұрын

@@vincegaming371 can you find it and link it?

@168original7

Жыл бұрын

The m1 ipad is very cool, even with gamig, I have a m1 ipad 11 inch and it's always cool compared to my Samsung s20fe and steam deck.

Really liked this comparison. Hoping to see more of it

Android apps need to have higher refresh rates enabled so it's likely it hasn't been updated. I have a non-Samsung device with a 90Hz refresh and noticed that when displaying refresh rate it sticks to 60 in most apps.

@CelestialGils

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Apps are not optimized, "yet", for tab s8 ultra. It's funny how Max Tech is so bias with the IPad pro. Like, you can clearly see that the game is capped at 60 FPS and the audacity to say the drop from 60 to 30 fps in the menus "it looks like it messed up at the end", that's how the game works. It drops down in the menus to save power, and let the processor/device cooldown. The Ipad pro does the same thing. Is just crazy how bias this person is.

@sportsvideos5034

2 жыл бұрын

@@CelestialGils problem is when it will optimised ?? these games are not new and it is available for years now. It’s not an iPad issue if other tab caps at 60fps. Which one is good for gaming currently and obviously it is ipad and nothing here to bias. Mac sucks at gaming compare to pc as we don’t have many mac optimised games that is Mac issue not PC.

@user-cl6tg6cg4y

2 жыл бұрын

@@CelestialGils nah the m1 is better by a mile. The ipad M1 is being compared to mid range laptops already. Meanwhile the the tab s8 is being argued if youd either get a chromebook or the tablet lol.

@CelestialGils

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-cl6tg6cg4y I never said that the M1 is bad. The snapdragon 8 gen 1 is not good enough compared to the A15. We can't compared the M1 (Which is a laptop/desktop processor) with the snapdragon 8 gen 1.

@philipjeconiah4905

2 жыл бұрын

@@CelestialGils thank God you know😂 So wether you think he was bias or not, it’s a clear fact for M1 over snapdragon like let’s be honest here, it’s not even close😂 especially when you stress both, it’ll just keep increasing its gap over the snapdragon 8 gen 1

15:30 Whaaaat?!!! 120fps!!!!!! I will now go back to genchin impact 😀

Why are u all fighting for which tablet is better and whose fault it is… just buy or use the one you prefer. Ipad is a lot faster with better app support and extraordinary softwere support through years. Samsung has better, and i mean a lot better multitasking, the system is a lot more unlocked and gives you more freedom. The displays in my opinion are both great. The mini LED had better brightness and does not flicker, the samsung has darker blacks and bo blooming, compared to little on the Ipad. So just use whatever you want to use and do not be toxic please. Have a nice day😊

@jego23allan

2 жыл бұрын

You can't use logic on KZread! That's against the rules. I love seeing people argue over silly things like notches and who's better. Enjoy your weekend sir.

You can download cracked games on samsung from apks so you don't need to waste time in unlocking everything especially in single player games

It's sort of a dumb comparison. The tab s8 ultra was just released and there's been zero optimizations and updates released yet. When the iPad Pro was first released, we were locked at 60fps on almost all titles. The tab s7+ supports 120fps and the Ultra will soon. Let's not forget about real triple AAA titles via Xbox game pass, that's where it's at for most. Mobile gaming is pretty lame all in all anyways. There's like 5 titles worth playing.... Genshin, CODM, and... I forget.

There are problems with your COD Mobile comparison. First, you were playing on the Samsung tablet at maximum settings, whereas on the iPad, "Ultra" FPS setting forces the graphics down to medium quality. That's a huge difference in terms of graphics fidelity. A much more valid comparison would be if both tablets had the same graphics and framerate settings. Second, the iPad Pro does NOT support 120 FPS on COD Mobile. This is a common error, with people assuming the "Ultra" FPS setting is 120 FPS. In reality, the Ultra setting is 90 FPS on the iPad.

@1_Vladimir_Makarov

Жыл бұрын

No dude it actually works as 120fps on ipad phones only works 90fps with the ultra fps

Damn I would have thought the Tab would be optimized by now and I wonder if the GOS issue affects the Tab S8 Ultra as well.

@shzammpatapon9865

2 жыл бұрын

android tablet will always sucks

@samuelodan2376

2 жыл бұрын

Well, there’s only so much optimization it can get since it’s still just a smartphone chip.

@fallenblizzard2441

2 жыл бұрын

@@samuelodan2376 Yes I am aware which is why it should have had support for 120hz in all the games shown except genshin as the smartphones of the previous gen chip have the option for it.

@adithyansunil1153

2 жыл бұрын

@@shzammpatapon9865 forget tablets android smartphone are always miles ahead of iPhones

@Omar-kl3xp

2 жыл бұрын

@@danebeee1 it is only one game ,just look at the other games bro

Could you test the performance of the 2018 iPad Pro vs the Tab S8 Ultra? Thanks!

I like Android but i would still prefer ipad for gaming. Android tablets need a massive overhaul in terms of performance.

@jakefiore1437

2 жыл бұрын

If apps could be optimized for android, then android would piss and shit all over apple it's only because there fuck all apple products so it easier for developers to optimize get and apps for apple

@theonlinething1039

2 жыл бұрын

I’m not a gamer, but I still went with the M1 iPad Air with the Pencil for Procreate. Most Androids are so much slower than even my iPhone 12, and there‘s no Procreate. But I like Samsungs designs way better

@androidoneiu5206

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wusyaname_ can't beat S21

@auou8629

2 жыл бұрын

@@androidoneiu5206 your the biggest samsung fanboy ive ever seen

@androidoneiu5206

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wusyaname_ is the truth

But on COD on ipad when you select 120 fps your graphic quality automatically changed to medium as seen in the video so it's not really a fair comparison

@jd2161

2 жыл бұрын

This guy does this all the time. The channel is made to bash and downplay anything android. If you listen to him, any compliment he gives the tab is immediately follow by but...

@AyanogoatjiKiyotaka

2 жыл бұрын

@@jd2161 that is kinda true but to be fair the tab s8 ultra on highest graphics doesnt look any better than the ipad on medium due to the lack of optimization. Plus the 120 fps is something the tab doesnt have. Doing a comparison now is not fair anyways when the tab s8 ultra just came out and games arent optimized for its massive screen.

@jd2161

2 жыл бұрын

@DaCoolWeeb do you want the ability to play mobile games? Would you rather have the ability to play Xbox, pc, load SD cards. Use emulators load apks and have a real file manager? The ultra is much more capable. The apple has a better chip but unless you edit 4k videos it's a less capable tablet. Ghensin impact at 120fps (on medium) Or destiny 2, batman, league of legends, etc. Real games. It's not a competition and I know why every apple reviewer. Especially this guy, ignores that feature

@AyanogoatjiKiyotaka

2 жыл бұрын

@@jd2161 fair point. Xbox and pc are still superior devices for gaming and it doesnt make much sense to buy a tablet if your main use case is gaming. The tab s8 ultra has better features but the ipad comes in at a cheaper price.

@jd2161

2 жыл бұрын

@@AyanogoatjiKiyotaka the iPad is 12.9". It's competition is the 12.4" tab 8plus. Tablets are for entertainment usually and some use for work so I disagree about not buying a tablet for gaming. Samsung tabs are literally portable consoles and with dex and can actually do work like a desktop. I have the tab s7plus and rarely use my laptop anymore as a realtor. I'm getting the ultra because I use this tablet everyday for hours. The productivity and capabilities are ridiculous. I can do everything on it and having an SD card slot is great as well

To be honest, I think Samsung should allow us Samsung device users to disable Game Optimizer easily. Game Optimizer on Samsung devices are really annoying, because they limit your power usage, clock speed and maximum fps on your games. I would still go for the Tab S8 Ultra, because I enjoy watching videos and playing games with a wider screen and thick bezels (when watching videos) on the Ipad Pro is just a no go for me. The flickering from the screen on the Tab S8 Ultra is not noticeable in real life by the way, because that is due to your camera settings. Yes the Tab S8 Ultra has a lower performance, but with underclocking from Samsung? Holy that is a recipe for even slower speed. Samsung, please do allow us to use the chipset at full potential :( I won't mind shorter life span of the tablet (jk I do). [Coming from a Tab S8 Ultra user]

@Alex-dz6xw

2 жыл бұрын

Updates will come bro I have the ultra too

@user-io5gw1rk4t

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alex-dz6xw cod looks like shit right now and only a few games look great

@Alex-dz6xw

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-io5gw1rk4t yes but s8 ultra is amazing overall and who cares about “competitive gaming” on a tablet lol

@ong9079

2 жыл бұрын

Hope u dont burn your device

@owohehe8105

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-io5gw1rk4t I heard Activision is making a game similar to like Modern Warfare 2019 and Warzone on mobile. Hope that the gaphics will be good :)

Show power readings too, it only takes 5 seconds

I'm thinking of getting the m1 ipad pro it will be my first ipad will i be covered with updates for years to come as good as the iPhone's?

I have the iPad Pro 12.9 and the Galaxy Tab S 8 Ultra. I prefer the my Tab S 8 Ultra for most things. The weight distribuance for the Tab S8 Ultra and iPad Pro 12.9 feels the same . I get to see more of my surroundings in the games I play . Also the tab has a mode in game center that controls processing capabilities during the game. You have to modify it if you want more processing power. The only problem I have with the Tab S8 Ultra is I can't get Genshin Impact to accept PS4 controller input. I can on my iPad Pro 12.9. I don't have an Xbox controller to see if thats an option for that.

@purplepatch25

Жыл бұрын

my tab s8 sucks in gaming….idk what you’re talking about but i am playing genshin at 30 to avoid that massive frame drops while playing at 60….if you’re into gaming avoid this tab….amazing for multimedia tho.

@jollyrancherchick

Жыл бұрын

Genshin has some type of contract with Apple which is why I don’t play the game. I don’t have time for companies that play favorites and ignore a big chunk of fans by withholding features on one platform.

@Playboicarti90

Жыл бұрын

@@jollyrancherchickcontract?, what rubbish, dont say anything android fan, the only reason it sucks at gaming is because app dev don’t optimise the app for android tablet because there are so many while they do it for ipad because there are only few models plus it is powerful enough to handle the game unlike those weak android tablets😂

@hasanriza317

Жыл бұрын

Android devices not supported controler on genshin😑

@0:53 he said which ipad is better.

3:02 Apple: i got your back samsung.

LMAOOO comparing the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 to the M1 is like comparing a snail to a cheetah. Simply not comparable

@dreadlockscayman

2 жыл бұрын

How you figure? That m1 is Restricted to half of its power. The form factor is more conducive conducive to watching videos chicken videos on the Samsung tablet some tablet. I don't think Apple gives it's customers it's customers the ability to use streaming game apps but correct me if I'm wrong. The advantage to that is on the S8 tablet you get full frames per minute with no restrictions and it is the best way is the best way to play High content games.Xbox Game Pass. Google Stadia. NVIDIA GeForce NOW. PS4 Remote Play. Steam Link. Parsec. AMD Link. Amazon Luna. Can you use those services on the ipad? What about Dex.. You have almost a windows like or Mac experience With this tablet. You have to pay for every single thing on Apple. I know because I own an ipad but I use a Samsung phone.. So if you're purely looking at specs or not taking the fact that Samsung is taking the tablet game seriously you Yes that the ipad is better. But I do think and in a few Future a lot of these apps that people are complaining and I'm not optimized for for the screen on android will be optimized. Developers didn't take android seriously but they will now. There is no way that that the ipad pro is better because it is too restricted because of because of Apple's closed garden close garden.

@panpanart4576

2 жыл бұрын

@@dreadlockscayman this dude's been copy pasting his comments on every comments who is in favour of iPad lol 😂😂😂😂

Basically no doubt, iPads rule the tablet market anyway! I am currently owner of iPad Pro myself : )

@MzwandileHarmans

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t see that changing anytime soon

@nitin8308

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@Alex-dz6xw

2 жыл бұрын

Lol tab s8 ultra is a beast though

@lol-yz2kd

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alex-dz6xw but of course iPad still better.

@MrBusinessG

2 жыл бұрын

I own both.....no way ill touch the ipad again after a week with the Ultra. Dex alone is killing the Ipad. Definately gonna sell the ipad asap.

S8 Ultra you need to activate the 120fps on the settings of the tablet to get 120fps 👍🏼

@ariffajarsusanto843

Жыл бұрын

I guess he didn’t do that 😂..

For comfort you do not hold a tablet and game You place it flat down on a table instead

@user-rx5qe7iz5v

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds worse

That settings 🗿😂🤣🤣

not fair for CODM, its not yet optimised for tab s8 ultra and he played with totally different settings on the ipad

@I_like_science

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been hearing that a lot with Samsung phones and tablets. Optimization seems to be what all android users are wishing for.

@kevinjohn9579

2 жыл бұрын

@@andyH_England yeah 120 fps is definitely superior but still not fair because it wasn't an equal comparison

There should have been an emulation test to see which tablet can emulate more and better. We all know what the answer would have been.

@christophermullins7163

2 жыл бұрын

ipad be getting 60 while samsung be a slideshow. that m1 chip is a beast.

@chuckalakatoob

Жыл бұрын

@@christophermullins7163 a slideshow? It's literally the same refresh rate as iPad Pro lol. It's the apps and developers themselves that are limiting it

@christophermullins7163

Жыл бұрын

@@chuckalakatoob I know.. I think you read my wrong.

@chuckalakatoob

Жыл бұрын

@@christophermullins7163 you're saying the Samsung fps is like a slideshow slideshow bruh wut

now, the speaker position on the galaxy tab was not quite well designed like the camera position, which is weird...

@JP-tb8pq

2 жыл бұрын

Camera position was perfect not like the ipads stupid location

@nevalelapena

2 ай бұрын

Speakers are exactly in the same 4 places

I want a video comparison between these two using remote play for PS and Xbox game pass.

@FunKaYxxD1sCO

2 жыл бұрын

It’s sluggish on both. On MacBook is a different story

Let the galaxy tab S8 ULTRA gets some updates...... just after that see how it sucks the Ipad pro

3:26 why did you played CODM in medium graphics settings on ipad ?

@niggamaster9139

2 жыл бұрын

He dint want frame drops ,also i notices hes lying alot

After watching this I went with the Tab S8 Ultra. It does so much more than the boring iPad. All they do is add new emoji’s and rename an existing feature and tech. Liquid retina, promotion lol in the tech world 99% of us knows it as HD screen and 120hz refresh.

@laneproductions9549

Жыл бұрын

Do u do 3d editing FaceTime? Video editing drawing, 3d modelling, are u gonna use the android for 5-7 years will it last?

@hotdognobun

Жыл бұрын

@@laneproductions9549 Yup I can do that on my Tab S8 Ultra with 3 other windows open that is watching movies to chatting and surfing web. See how much you can get done with your ipad…oh wait you can only have one thing open

You can tell this channel isnt very gaming oriented! Those benchmarks are so not apples to apples. Pun not intended. Graphics options need to match on both devices to be able to see how they perform and stack up. Using the iPads 120 fps setting while not optimised onnthe tab S8 just ruins any benchmark comparison. Not saying the Tab S8 is good just not a fan of the comparison.

felt like even A12z can beat 8gen1 in term of gaming since app optimize so good on ipad

@framedthunder6436

2 жыл бұрын

Except for the M1 iPad that power is just useless

@kaokim2058

2 жыл бұрын

@@framedthunder6436 it's overkill for mobile app but hopefully there will be more app that can use all of those power soon

@ulikemyname6744

2 жыл бұрын

tbh A12X will have no problems beating the SD8G1. It has the same single core performance as SD8G1 but on all 4 cores not just on one. So it has also more powerful GPU as well.

@user-cl6tg6cg4y

2 жыл бұрын

@@framedthunder6436 for now yes. Its obvious that the chip has to evolve first before their software.

@baguette_connoisseur

2 жыл бұрын

@@kaokim2058 It's not overkill for Genshin lol. If you want consistent 60 FPS and Ultra graphics, only M1 can do that. A12Z still occassionally has frane drops

Amazing Comparison,The iPad Pro is awesome!!!!🔥🔥🔥🙂!!!.Anyway thanks for such great content!!!🔥!!.Keep it up!!!.

Obviously Apple M1 chip... These "super high-performance" chips for Android have not even caught up with the usual Apple A15 yet.

@dinervc9582

2 жыл бұрын

Basically not even the A14 despite GPU by a little bit. A14 without thermal throttling probably is on par even at GPU tbh.

@youngjacuzzi3676

2 жыл бұрын

I would love a android phone or tablet with apples chips. 😭 till then they all suck.

@vishnunellutla2394

2 жыл бұрын

@@youngjacuzzi3676 Apple silicon is made exclusively for efficiency in their own devices,it would probably not improve an android device much

@AyanogoatjiKiyotaka

2 жыл бұрын

@@vishnunellutla2394 yeah if only Qualcomm could make chips as good as Apple...

@vishnunellutla2394

2 жыл бұрын

@@AyanogoatjiKiyotaka They do make chips as good as Apple, but they're not made for a specific device as apple does.If qualcomm made a chip specifically for, let's say the S23 Ultra, it would 100% beat the current iPhone 13 Pro in performance ...Idk about battery life tho

these are not meant for handheld gaming. Instead do Aethersx2 , dolphin , ppsspp comparision. xbox cloud gaming would be good too.

The M1 chip makes the ipad pro unstoppable

Bro why are you guys comparing the CPU usage ... CPU don't do much on games... Compare the GPU usage

@Angel_Peg

2 жыл бұрын

Both

before start watching the video I know iPad is going to win bcoz its max tech video he never shows the positives of Samsung tab in tab S8 ultra we can play Xbox games through Xbox game pass and Xbox games are way better than these android games

@user-rx5qe7iz5v

2 жыл бұрын

Do you mean Xbox Cloud?

for genshin the M1 chip makes the ipad pro run on PC level graphics.. which makes the overall framerate unstable. If you lowered the graphics a little it would be more consistent

@marcosgambato9774

2 жыл бұрын

lol no, even if you play it at max settings you can literally see texture bugs and poor distance rendering, that’s absolutely not what you get on pc (surely lowering the graphics makes it more stable but differences between pc and ipad are easy to find)

@mlemingcapoo

2 жыл бұрын

genshin impact render at higher resolution on iOS than on Android. and ofc mobile version is compressed

@startingbark0356

Жыл бұрын

the m1 ipad runs at mobile graphics

@khanhtham1812

Жыл бұрын

Do some research before saying anything smh

While playing COD you set the graphics quality to medium on the iPad, and set it to very high on the tab s8, so no wonder the tab only got to 60 fps... Try putting it on medium graphics and it should get to 120 fps too

@supermegapowerg1188

2 жыл бұрын

It dosen't matter lol m1 even in raw performance is more than 4times of 8gen 1 and combined with apple metal optimization it a beast. Heck it not even worthy comparing with m1 loll 8gen 1 is not even nowhere near close of A15 bionic and not better than A14

@1_Vladimir_Makarov

Жыл бұрын

Wrong info idiot you must have the ultra fps option like how the ipad does but the tab just dont have it so its 60fps is the max it can has

First disable GOS (game optimizing service) in the tab S8 Ultra then redo the test. Only then would it be interesting and fair

@ok4405

2 жыл бұрын

How will it be fair lol it comes with the device.

@user-rx5qe7iz5v

2 жыл бұрын

Is it a huge difference?

@user-rx5qe7iz5v

2 жыл бұрын

Isnt that going to damage your device?

Issue with test is Samsung Tablets aren't optimized right , because an S8+ phone has more options and visuals on some games . Aspect ratio has alot to do with fps . Pokemon only runs at 60fps regardless of system fyi My brother has these devices in his store side by side and demos games . One note is the different aspect ratio and graphics allow androids farther draw distance we confirmed in 30 custom game tests . Apex mobile doesn't have this issue . Warzone Mobile will likely be optimized for newer tablets and likely a great time to do next comparison vid . Although you got different results than Forbes and other testing. Good vid !

no one notice that ipad runs at medium graphics settings? LOL 🤣

Samsung is throttling its tablets and phones with "game optimization services ". Samsung is doing this throttling to save battery life. You can disable 3 gaming services to gain 20% in FPS. Samsung is sending an update to resolve this issue.

@supermegapowerg1188

2 жыл бұрын

It dosen't matter it will never come close to m1 it not even worthy mention of m1 A15 destory in it sleep to 8gen 1

@mohamedx6549

2 жыл бұрын

why dosent matter?? when samsung sent update to fix the problem u should know it a big problem wait to see the result after the update

@dj-rocketman8545

2 жыл бұрын

This is not true at all the fps increase is very small after 5mins of gameplay. You are spreading lies about Samsung you shesp.

@etiennebauer3861

2 жыл бұрын

@@mohamedx6549 its still a lot slower than the m1 its still slower than a a14

I think you were right a few weeks ago when you said it was going to fail. It didn't in terms of sales. But in terms of specs, it fails massively when compared to the iPad pro lol

@JP-tb8pq

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah ok

@adityan3208

2 жыл бұрын

But it can still do things that Ipad can't, tab S8 is restricted by app availability, but ipad is restricted by the same company that makes it lol. What is the point of all that power then?

@mikelmarion

2 жыл бұрын

@@adityan3208 how is it restricted? You can do everything on the ipad better and faster

@eduard6450

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikelmarion multitasking on the ipad is in no way better than on the tab s8 lol

@mikelmarion

2 жыл бұрын

@@eduard6450 yea but what exactly are you Multi tasking on a tablet? It’s not THAT much better than the IPad. There’s only so much you can do. Multi tasking emails and Zoom or something? What killer apps are people on Andriod tablets multitasking?

Shouldn't you match the settings on both tablets? Seems to me iPad lost the second you weren't able to turn on all the settings.

does ipad pro m1 still have frame drop issues when playing genshin impact at highest 60fps?

You had iPad performance mode and tab s8 ultra in Quality on cod mobile it wasn’t a far battle because tab s8 was loading up and doing more work than the iPad, put them at the same settings and see a true results, it like doing a race one person run 1/4 miles will the other need to do a mile

some people really just can't admit android chip are slow ass chip compared to apple huh?

@scouttf2143

2 жыл бұрын

I cant deny that apple chips are great but the A15 is only ever so slightly faster. I really hate it when iSheep and Android fanboys find every little reason to bash on each other. Snapdragon is only slightly weaker and you wouldnt notice the difference. Also laptop chip vs a phone chip, obviously the m1 ipad smoked the s8 ultra.

@MaxMustermann-vy7ur

2 жыл бұрын

@@scouttf2143 slightly weaker consumes more power, runs hotter how its a slight difference Snapdragon 8 Gen1 is a failture

Subject in all acronym. If you are a Samsung fan, buy a Samsung device, if you are an Apple fan, buy an Apple device

Graphic quality and frame rate in tab is maxed out in samsung in COD but in apple graphic quality is medium and frame rate is ultra getting 120fps. Is it a fare comparison

@1_Vladimir_Makarov

Жыл бұрын

To use the 120fps in codm the graphics must be capped at medium or low only you cant have very high graphics with 120fps so he should have set the tab to medium but it will work the same bec it dont have the option of ultra fps (the 120 fps)

Love your videos guys! Let me add a little extra info with gaming on Galaxy Tabs too. With the Galaxy tab, you have the abiliity to get emulators on the Play Store + you can get Fortnite, and all the major game streaming apps in the Play Store too (Stadia, Xbox Game Pass, NVidia GeForce Now, etc.)

@dreadlockscayman

2 жыл бұрын

He will never mention that because he knows it’s superior to what he is bragging about. Then all his fan boys will be butt hurt.

@devantech4133

2 жыл бұрын

@@dreadlockscayman This is definitely an Apple prizing channel that's for sure! I mean I think they tend to give Samsung credit where it's due so I give them that (but missing some of the Samsung gems in this vid). I've seen other channels that are so far up Apple/Samsung's ass that it makes me cringe lol. I like both sides, but prefer Samsung ultimately

@robertsmith20022

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@FunKaYxxD1sCO

2 жыл бұрын

Emulator on the tab ultra is amazing. People forget that Samsung beats the iPad in battery life. And it’s OLED. If you want freedom in a gorgeous display, it’s Samsung.

M1 is a beast. can't even compare with SnapDragon

@vedantdesai1

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a desktop grade processor, of course it’s going to win! My M1 MacBook Air actually has fewer cores than the iPad. And it can run any statistical suite, Microsoft office, and even games like Sims 4 (Ultra 1440p 60FPS) better than my i7 Razer

@rockthefoundationjohnson

2 жыл бұрын

@@vedantdesai1 but it’s still an iPad chip after all

The s8 ultra hasn't been optimized for cod mobile yet the s7 has 120fps

Hahahah, the Galaxy Tab has a NOTCH! LOOOL

You set the frame rate and graphics to the max available on the tabs8 ultra but you set the graphics of the ipad to medium and then set the framerate to the max. This is why it was way smoother on the ipad. It's not a fair comparison in my opinion

@heirtothethrone000

2 жыл бұрын

I noticed that as well. Personally I think Mac users will always be biased when it comes to comparisons oh Macs and Samsung products.

@dinervc9582

2 жыл бұрын

@@heirtothethrone000 lmao, it was a mistake. Also as already shown in other tests, it literally blows it away regardless.

@lodevandenberg5361

2 жыл бұрын

It was probably a mistake

@ulikemyname6744

2 жыл бұрын

Don't care about what the settings were saying and neither should you. The graphics and resolution was obviously higher on the iPad in Genshin and COD. You can't say otherwise it is that obvious

The graphics quality was only set to medium on the iPad. Although I’m an apple fan boy: that’s not a fair comparison!

The graphic quality is medium in Ipad... You forget that🤪

I use iPads. I don’t use Samsung products. This test was not fair for the Tab S8 Ultra. It uses a phone chip. While the iPad uses a desktop chip.

@gmdrandom6287

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. They should've used a 2015 iPad 5

It's a great gaming comparison! by the way, it would be nice you have a video comparison for their function comparison for work & maybe general gaming for normal people would use. I don't think alot of people will game on a heavy ipad/tablet for long period of time. it be helpful if you can do a comparison for normal people would use. :) i intend to get one tablet but unable to find any in your videos on productivity for tablet.

Literally every comparison to the iPad Pro you’ve made vs Samsung ultra has been Apple biased. How about comparing the iPad to the emulators available to Samsung 😎

@jd2161

2 жыл бұрын

This guy does this for every android device.

@jamieibrahim8267

2 жыл бұрын

Do you want him to say that the tab is getting higher fps when it clearly isn’t

@dreadlockscayman

2 жыл бұрын

@Jamie Ibrahim How you figure? That m1 is Restricted to half of its power. The form factor is more conducive conducive to watching videos chicken videos on the Samsung tablet some tablet. I don't think Apple gives it's customers it's customers the ability to use streaming game apps but correct me if I'm wrong. The advantage to that is on the S8 tablet you get full frames per minute with no restrictions and it is the best way is the best way to play High content games.Xbox Game Pass. Google Stadia. NVIDIA GeForce NOW. PS4 Remote Play. Steam Link. Parsec. AMD Link. Amazon Luna. Can you use those services on the ipad? What about Dex.. You have almost a windows like or Mac experience With this tablet. You have to pay for every single thing on Apple. I know because I own an ipad but I use a Samsung phone.. So if you're purely looking at specs or not taking the fact that Samsung is taking the tablet game seriously you Yes that the ipad is better. But I do think and in a few Future a lot of these apps that people are complaining and I'm not optimized for for the screen on android will be optimized. Developers didn't take android seriously but they will now. There is no way that that the ipad pro is better because it is too restricted because of because of Apple's closed garden close garden.

@jd2161

2 жыл бұрын

@@dreadlockscayman 100% well said

@jd2161

2 жыл бұрын

@Jamie Ibrahim I want him to say that iPad dropped to medium graphics. Be real with your review.

Configuração do maçãpad não estava tudo no máximo como no TAB S8 ULTRA então esta comparação no COD MOBILE não é válida

U did an unfair test for gaming, because you must put the same graphic setting for both but you turn max graphic for tab s8 and medium for iPad.

There's a little detail about the graphic on the ipad that made me really annoyed... the fact that in cod mobile the galaxy tab was running the game in the highest quality, unlike the ipad which was running in the medium graphic quality. Even with the fact that the ipad has a much more powerfull chipset, it would be nice to have both on the same settings, since the graphic quality and the effects that you can activate on the highest quality affect the fps...

@youngjacuzzi3676

2 жыл бұрын

Higher frame rate consumes more power than higher graphics so they kinda even out.

@foxyuchiha6494

2 жыл бұрын

@@andyH_England it can totally run 120 fps with medium settings bro

@foxyuchiha6494

2 жыл бұрын

@@andyH_England even 888 was able to handle 120 fps on some phone Qualcomm even mentioned that 144 fps is available if developers wants to enable it

@wesley.zago120

2 жыл бұрын

@@youngjacuzzi3676 i think you didnt get my point, the graphic limits the fps, the higher the graphics the lowest the fps, i know that because i used to watch a lot of cod mobile youtubers, and they not only use the m1 ipad, but they normally play the game on the medium graphics because they can get more fps. How you are gonna get more fps with the graphics limiting it? and since the ipad wasnt in the highest graphic, we cant know exatly the differece between the devices.

@wesley.zago120

2 жыл бұрын

@@andyH_England there's a reason why the galaxy tab doesn't support the same settings that the ipad support, it came out just about a month ago. Companies take more time to optimize some games on android than in the ios/ipados.

Android still literally sucks 💀

For emulation gaming samsung wins

@goldmastersimulations

2 жыл бұрын

ROG Flow Z13 with XG Mobile wins even more. Can run Cemu, Xenia, and RPCS3 unlike the Samsung tablet.

@boostler

2 жыл бұрын

@@goldmastersimulations True but I am talking about S8 Ultra Vs M1 iPad Pro :)

dude ur ipad settings in the cod already dont match the s8 settings.... you have graphics set to medium... not a fair fight

@MarkAelham

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@shzammpatapon9865

2 жыл бұрын

still have enough headroom, android tablet just plain ass.

@youngjacuzzi3676

2 жыл бұрын

Higher fps uses more power than graphics so yes the s8 still loss.

@crestofhonor2349

2 жыл бұрын

@@youngjacuzzi3676 Not exactly. It's about GPU and CPU usage not frame rate

Between these 2 i would easily pick neither and get the 11" ipad pro m1 instead bcs the price is much more affordable and dont sacrifice much thing compared to the 12.9" than just the mini led screen. Its honestly the best buy i ever made on any gadget i have.

@gohiljayveersinh999

2 жыл бұрын

Me too

@knockofficial5811

Жыл бұрын

I hope apple make ipad pro 11 with min LED bcs 12.9 quite big and heavy for my hand

I agree the ipad is better for gaming (at least for appstore games) But this guy is very uneducated on the matter.. bro is talking about cpu usage not gpu.. doesnt know the difference probably. Comparing medium to very high 120fps cap vs 60 cap like that shows performance.. So many mistakes.. id say stick to camera comparisons.

Being honest, every video this guy is all about apple’s supremacy thats why I don’t love his content that much

Не вижу смысла сравнивать планшеты от эпл с чем то другим Все и так понятно заранее

M1 ipad pro is a beast 💪

I'm fairly certain that even the 2018 iPad Pro outperforms the Tab S8 Ultra in terms of raw performance lol. But, the S8 Ultra is still a great device, although very expensive...

@chilly1661

2 жыл бұрын

Dude, my ipad pro 2018 is utterly garbage while gaming.. for some reason it heats up quite a lot and the screen dims after 10-15 minutes of gameplay. It also makes the game super choppy even though most games support 90fps. I’m not sure how the tab s8 ultra will perform while gaming but if it’s even worse than my ipad it’ll be unplayable.

@user-rx5qe7iz5v

2 жыл бұрын

Samsung flagship devices are even more expensive than Apple for some reason

The s8 is on max frame rate and graphical. The apple has max frame rate but medium graphical keep that in mind.

Please change ipad pro display setting to very high bro, and make honest comparison. So far youre the honest reviewer i fully trust. Please dont do that

Best gaming tablet is actually the steam deck or the ROG flow tablet

@user-rx5qe7iz5v

2 жыл бұрын

Steam Deck is a handheld console

@user-rx5qe7iz5v

2 жыл бұрын

Rog Flow is a laptop

Cod was straight up unfair

In order to have ultra in fps in cod mobile in the iPad pro it puts the graphics into medium.In pokemon unite the tab s8 OF COURSE HAS HIGHEST SETTINGS.Like my 2015 phone has highest settings.You can change the graphics when you are in lobby not in game like you were on tab s8.So the s8 also has the highest graphics.

You should play them at the same graphics

I really do wonder if there's anything wrong with my M1 ipad pro. I play Genshin, and tbh even at everything at lowest setting, it still stutters from time to time. Yes I can play it fine, but those frame drops are not something that I'm expecting from M1 Ipad pro 😪

@lodevandenberg5361

2 жыл бұрын

Then something is wrong with your iPad or something. It sounds as a stupid question but are you sure it is a M1 iPad Pro?😂

@philipjeconiah4905

2 жыл бұрын

@@lodevandenberg5361 😂😂😂 I don’t think so, even A12Z would give you solid 60fps or at least 59.something

@egoist25

2 жыл бұрын

@@lodevandenberg5361 yeapp 😂😂 which is why I was a little disappointed. My current device was also an exchanged device because the first I received had issues too. Now I've been using this replacement unit for almost half a year already. Don't even know if it's even possible to still make an exchange based on this 'performance issue'

@wolfgangllanza160

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t put everything in the lowest setting, put it in the recommended high or something because you’re making it hard for the system to make it pixelated or something, which would make your experience bad. If you worry for your ipad heating up do at least medium setting everything and 60 fps. Even my iPad Pro 10.5 can handle it at setting

@egoist25

2 жыл бұрын

@@wolfgangllanza160 hmm I see. I shall give it a try. Maybe I didn't give it time to optimize itself? I changed my settings everything to low since when I noticed it was getting hot while downloading the first update. The only exception being 60 fps because that's the basic thing I wanted