The very idea that SBI have said that a Steam Curator group that does nothing more but identify what projects they've worked on will harm their company is the definition of a self-report.

@radiantveggies9348

3 ай бұрын

MangaKamen - "It's not what you said, it's how you said it 💅"

@CoOlKyUbI96

3 ай бұрын

What’s especially dumb is that Sweet Baby Inc provides the same information on their official website. There’s literally no difference

@MaxHDAvenger

3 ай бұрын

Also that Steam Curator is Brazilian, hope they have fun with Warrior Wasps on thier social media side. (No one wants to mess with Brazilians period)

@Exoskel2

3 ай бұрын

​@@MaxHDAvenger God bless Brazilians.

@GMindset959

3 ай бұрын

State Bank of India

The answer is yes. We need to stop pretending like this hasn't been happening for the past decade.

@garibaldibritann1240

3 ай бұрын

But at the same to not making echo chamber and forcing anyone with the said awareness, both will make the awareness gone worse. Not everyone has to be demped with controversy everyday. Don't do like what those idiotic activists who do vandalism just to preach their cause

Honestly it still makes me laugh that one of the SBI people who consultant on SSKTJL said he’s proud to finally have a black man (Deadshot) on the cover art of a AAA video game, completely ignoring a lot of video games that featured a black main protagonist in the cover like Prototype 2, Telltale Walking Dead and True Crime New York City.

@CurtyTails

3 ай бұрын

Cause they can’t score pretend social brownie points if they don’t pretend they don’t exist. Seriously though-it shows these people aren’t gamers if they legit didn’t know. Reminds me of Simu Liu acting like he was the first Asian actor in a big blockbuster-the first big Asian role model in film-pretending legends like Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan didn’t exist. Or when he dogged Quentin Tarantino for “just wanting old white dudes on screen”-with that even his peers told him to sit the fuck down as he brought Samuel L Jackson and Uma Thurman into legendary stardom and even brought Lucy Liu back for Kill Bill as an antagonist.

@BigHailFan

3 ай бұрын

killer instinct is another one.

@diersteinjulien6773

3 ай бұрын

the oldest example of a black man on the cover of a mainstream game I've found is Mickael Jackson on the Genesis Moonwalker game. (1990) They're only 34 years late

@tresjackson3027

3 ай бұрын

Don’t forget when Battlefield 1 was released on the front cover they had a Harlem Hellfighter on the cover. A black soldier from the late 1910’s who was part of a group that was feared by the Germans!

@Ms666slayer

3 ай бұрын

Actually the oldest example of a black person on a videogames cover art that I know is Mike Tyson's Punch Out in 1987

The company is a taint. Their track record speaks volumes with what they latch onto, I'm a firm believer in statistics.

@animezilla4486

3 ай бұрын

The track record isn't that bad because I feel like some of the complaints when it comes to the games they've been working hard all way over exaggerate a bit

@Pianohnonono

3 ай бұрын

GOW ragnorok was pretty good, starfield was fine, wb killed suicide squad before and writing. sbi sucks but the games industry has worse problems.

@taddad2641

3 ай бұрын

spiderman game in particular with some of its elements. it didn't efect the core of the story and gameplay THAT much, but it had some questionable shit happening around it, including a terrible redesign of Mj and a butchering of the spanish language to try to remove tis binary aspects.

@mrhalfsaid1389

3 ай бұрын

​@Pianohnonono agreed, even if this company is bad there are things that are much more problematic than something that doesn't always destroy what they touch. Angrboda was probably the extent of sbi's involvement but she's fine

@mrhalfsaid1389

3 ай бұрын

​@@FelisImpurratoryes, that's why I hate internet witch hunts, because it's usually the internet that ends up the bigger jackass overall (especially with doxxers and similar sh♤theads are involved) and at this point I think it just needs to be at least toned down

Honestly I really don’t understand why gaming companies even need a consulting firm, like many gaming companies have done quite well for themselves and never had any issues when it comes to their writing or talking about serious stuff.🐱

@V4Now

3 ай бұрын

Politics. And probably had to tick boxes at some point.

@xdskiller3509

3 ай бұрын

Simple. Money

@WokioWolfy

3 ай бұрын

​@@V4Nowno, its actually to raise their ESG scores with their biggest shareholder, Blackrock.

@1685Violin

3 ай бұрын

​@@WokioWolfyWhich is political. If not in your opinion, why not both?

@eddiemet12

3 ай бұрын

Esg loans.

Something I noticed when stuff like this blows up is the behaviour of that kind of people: always believing that they're on the side of JUSTICE, fighting the good fight and all that good stuff.

@knightmareza9478

3 ай бұрын

No one goes out of their way to do this stuff thinking they are the bad guy. The more convinced they are that they are morally correct, the further they’re willing to go and the more they are capable of justifying evil actions. And this goes for any human being. Everyone thinks they’re the hero of the story

@mekingtiger9095

3 ай бұрын

@@knightmareza9478 Case and point: Mister Austrian Painter himself in his deluded mind.

@redman7775

3 ай бұрын

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions

Especially embarrassing when the games SBI reps use as *positive* examples of their influence include a Bethesda game so tedious even modders refused to fix it, a game widely agreed to be the worst and most disrespectful Arkham game and a game that got an entire studio shut down.

@ArbitraryOutcome

3 ай бұрын

God, I can't believe Starfield was so painfully mediocre, the most culturally significant thing related to it is that one bald dude yelling about pronouns.

@Polychi1998

3 ай бұрын

@@ArbitraryOutcomethe pronouns dude actually helped me to avoided. Ironically, he won.

I’m with you in that the culture war crap is annoying but SBI are made up of individuals who partook within GamerGate and individuals who partook within some very shady activities to put it mildly. So seeing SBi employees doing this isn’t surprising. What’s really sad is that all these ultra progressive types do is damage diversity and are causing. Lee animosity. At my former job, I was hired for my merit( I did a solid job and went above and beyond the qualifications) and lo and behold I overheard some coworkers thinking I was some diversity hire. Heck, one of them acted all polite to me in a really forced way and it told me something. These individuals have poisoned the well. Any legitimate discussions we could have about race are going to be forever plagued by this BS. Because let me be clear; diverse stories that explore cultures is perfectly fine. Just don’t alter existing works and also have them be good on their own merits. It’s why I loved Arcane, or in games Infamous 2.

@lordxmugen

3 ай бұрын

These are same kind of people who would out a man despite him being autistic in bid to take his company from him "because muh progressive". and thats despite dealing in what people would call "gross and disgusting" art. I wish this was all fiction, but this HAPPENED. Look up Mariel Cartwright to see the kind of face these "people" wear.

@kevintanza6968

3 ай бұрын

That last part is why a lot of people have critical of a lot of media in recent years. You can have a diverse cast and the story can still suck (I focus on stories because I haven't played video games for more than a decade). But if people are critical of said stories, then all of the sudden you're a horrible human being. By this you already know you are not having a discussion in good faith. Furthermore, the angle a lot of people don't mention is that calling your critics any bad name under the sun is meant to cancel any position where your product is criticized. And just because your cast is diverse doesn't mean is good or is above criticism. Civilized discussion of the quality of media has been thrown out of the window.

@CoOlKyUbI96

3 ай бұрын

What I find surprising is that typically when it comes to culture war types of videos, I typically only notice one type of political group that tends to focus on the issue. Yet in regards to Sweet Baby Inc, I’ve noticed a whole bunch of channels from various different types of political groups making videos on the subject

@Exlayer-pk8hy

3 ай бұрын

They also have blood on their hands as during the GG days they brought a few people too "minecraft" themselves if you catch my drift

@buntado6

3 ай бұрын

@@kevintanza6968 On the ethnic aspect is specially egregious because, I've noticed that modern productions seem incapable of producing anything related to Precolonial America or Africa. They only care about the native people of those regions when there's white characters they can blame for everything bad that happens, paradoxically making it seem like they are the most important thing that ever happened to them, if not the only one. Compare this to how much media there is about Ancient Japan or China, where they're the heroes and villains of their own stories.

WOW Even *you* felt like you had to talk about THEM...

@FTChomp9980

3 ай бұрын

When I ever I hear THEM I picture Giant Ants.

@tusharrathore6330

3 ай бұрын

It's kinda everywhere.

@CoOlKyUbI96

3 ай бұрын

That goes to show how bad they are

Politics aside, outsourcing anything inevitably means that you are giving part of your Creation to those who may not appreciate it the way you do. Not everyone can afford to do everything in house but it's the best way to do it.

@appleando752

3 ай бұрын

The difference is that a normal outsourcing company doesn't have creative control over anything other than how the tree model would look. SBI is a writing consultant that will make changes to the overall script.

@mekingtiger9095

3 ай бұрын

​@@appleando752 Wow, that's indeed worse that some people have thought.

@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist

3 ай бұрын

​@@appleando752 Seriously, there's a difference between outsourcing parts of your core business and outsourcing everything else. Doing everything in-house is idiotic. Even major studios outsource stuff, all the way up to things like game engines. Examples: CD Projekt Red made mention of switching to Unreal 5 since it's superior to anything they can make in-house for the types of games that they make. Rockstar games like GTA and Red Dead have relied on a 3rd party physics library (Bullet) for recent titles (among many other libs for other components). This isn't even counting the massive amounts of underlying libraries made by 3rd parties, used even in in-house engines. What's bizarre is when you outsource things like mechanics and writing.

They're just one head of the hydra, the body is Black Rock

@greatgatsby0174

3 ай бұрын

I’m a firm believer that they’re a major tool for THE MAN to instigate political division in the common peeps as a way to keep us fighting and not focus on THEM. Either if you’re right leaning or left leaning, don’t focus on arguing with your political enemy, focus on uniting against THEM, the ones pulling the strings.

@ilngsisfh

3 ай бұрын

the right wing paramilitary group????

@gdub9998

3 ай бұрын

@@ilngsisfhyour echo chamber doesn’t exist here sir , you don’t know about black rock ?

@galetempus1979

3 ай бұрын

More like a leech on it

@jefftheindianchief8279

3 ай бұрын

@@ilngsisfh BlackRock & Vanguard, the biggest players in this matter, are investment firms. They're far from right-wing, considering their reliance on ESG.

For those who want to learn more about Blackrock and ESG since it was mentioned Just A Robot recently made a video about them that explains them in greater detail. Cause frankly the more people who know about them the more we can counter this stupid pandering schlock

@1685Violin

3 ай бұрын

I'm surprised JAR spoke about that as people had been talking ESG for years but they have been dismissed as conspiracy theorists.

@matteomastrodomenico1231

3 ай бұрын

​@@1685Violin I mean, probably didn't help that most of the people addressing them were also connecting them to a specific group of people...

@kevintanza6968

3 ай бұрын

@@FelisImpurrator Considering that people critical of these productions are being called Nazis, I think you're getting off easy when it comes to name-calling. So sit this one out, buddy.

@bananarama1425

3 ай бұрын

Yeah sadly that's the problem. These idiots poison the well with their anti-semitism. Then they claim that nobody believes them because they're "good goys", they're self righteous assholes who drag down people like us who oppose the ESG and Blackrock BECAUSE their so called diversity is straight up offensive to the people they claim to represent and harms them. I don't get WHY we don't openly tell the anti-semites to fuck off. They're not our allies, they're an active hinderance that kill whatever moral high ground we actually do have.

@Lunk42

3 ай бұрын

​@@FelisImpurratorYou guys are losing the culture war. Cope more.

I don’t understand why normie KZreadrs are so afraid of talking about this. I’ve known about this and talked about it with friends and seen smaller KZreadrs talk about it before it was trending. I’m looking at you Act Man…

@flamestoyershadowkill6400

3 ай бұрын

partisan lines

@matteomastrodomenico1231

3 ай бұрын

I mean, there isn't really much to the situation. It's not exactly a scoop that studios outsorce their writing.

@justaghostinthesea

3 ай бұрын

How do you know that they're afraid? Maybe they just don't know or don't care.

@Hornetog9vp

3 ай бұрын

@@justaghostinthesea Because they only talk about sweet baby the micro seconds it was safe. They were quite with spider man 2 suicide squad and many more games. When sweet baby shit themselves that when all the big KZread attack them. It a real bitch move.

@matteomastrodomenico1231

3 ай бұрын

​@@Hornetog9vp It's not really safer than it was months ago.

I literally found about this 8 min ago and suddenly its everywhere!

@Mangakamen

3 ай бұрын

I chose the word 'plague' quite fittingly.

@xdskiller3509

3 ай бұрын

​​@@Mangakamen non related but i love your content , also you are really good at drawing its insane that you have the ability to draw any character in a style similar to their games' or shows' style and somehow make it also fit your unique art style . You are really underrated you deserve more followers.

@flamestoyershadowkill6400

3 ай бұрын

first tiime I head was from 24hr berserk guy.

@Hornetog9vp

3 ай бұрын

@@flamestoyershadowkill6400 The Almighty Loli is a great channel.

@VaellinTheBard

3 ай бұрын

@flamestoyershadowkill6400 mine was critical drinker. Then I refreshed my recommended and three mkre SBI videos popped up

So basically... SBI is a company ment to increase iESG scores by using them. But by doing so... they don't care what quality gets changed.. it's like the censorboards of TV. If you don't do em.. your product won't hit the market due to demand.

This is a hot take I hate the word Diversity and inclusivty because companies and studios like SBI act like it's something new and wear it like a badge of honor. We had diversity before and it felt natural. They don't make it feel authentic anymore instead it feels forced or pandering especially when they beat you over the head with stuff no one cares about.

@cybertramon0012

3 ай бұрын

I don't think they see it as a badge of honor. They pretend it is, but really it's a shiny little thing for their pride. 'Hey, I pretend to care about you people. Pay attention to me and give me your money.' Or 'Hey, I'm totally important because people are putting folks like me on screen. Tell me how great and awesome I am.'

@Achieme

3 ай бұрын

@@cybertramon0012 That's how i also see it as well. I missed a time where things were diverse without telling us how diverse they are

@cybertramon0012

3 ай бұрын

@@Achieme Makes me realise it's an example of the 'Hype Paradox'. Basically the more you need to hype something up, the less likely or natural it feels. Whereas something actually good doesn't need to hype itself up.

@Achieme

3 ай бұрын

@@cybertramon0012 Exactly i 100% agree with you. It also annoys me when watching interviews and the first thing people behind the product bring up is how diverse the cast is as opposed to telling me about the product, it just turns me off and feels like check boxes

@JeffHikari

3 ай бұрын

@@cybertramon0012 Or that quote "The man who has to announce to everyone that he is the King, is no King at all."

Wow, even you, Mangakamen? Man, this thing has REALLY hit the mainstream. Thank you, Brazil! You're truly redeeming yourself! Hahahahahahahahaha!

@evilira718

3 ай бұрын

No it's not, no one outside a small circle of gaming chuds care about this crap.

@mekingtiger9095

3 ай бұрын

​​​​@@evilira718 They're loudest ones, for sure. But what matters is that it is becoming a known case and that this time we have actual proof that we're right. Even if it is not a big thing short term, it is a starting step to the right direction in the culture war as a whole. And an important one at that. We can finally for once go "We told you!!!" to all the normie naysayers (of which there are A LOT OF) who doubted us!

@CoOlKyUbI96

3 ай бұрын

I would argue that with SBI’s earlier games, the cracks started to show. But SSKTJL definitely was the final straw

@Exlayer-pk8hy

3 ай бұрын

Latino's have all the power in the end, who knew.

@Exoskel2

3 ай бұрын

The guy is Brazilian?

It’s funny how the company tries to play like it’s being virtuous but we keep finding skeletons in the closet and it’s weird how they keep trying to suppress anyone looking into them as a corporation. If they were virtuous they wouldn’t care if people saw what games they were working on-yet they are trying to hide it.

This is a question i have. Why the hell would anyone PAY a company to TELL THEM how to make their own game???

@FunnyMonkey781

3 ай бұрын

Main reason is, much like black rock, the companies will recieve huge investments and/or loans for their projects.

@DirtyDanRichards

3 ай бұрын

@FunnyMonkey781 Honesty, that makes sense... Reject AAA, embrace AA and independent.

@cybertramon0012

3 ай бұрын

Plus there's the threat that if you don't, the company will tell all their followers that you're bigoted and do their best to eviscerate you on social media. There's a post by Anita Sarkeesian where she's basically threatening CD Project Red into hiring her this way.

@icravedeath.1200

3 ай бұрын

​@@DirtyDanRichardsthey use consultants too you idiot. (E.g hellblade)

Who the hell names their company Sweet Baby Inc.?!

@Mangakamen

3 ай бұрын

It's apparently what they call their clients - "They were such sweet babies".

@Dragiare

3 ай бұрын

Narcissists that like to pat each other on the back.

@bc-cu4on

3 ай бұрын

​@@Mangakamen That they took candy from?

@KashKey-

3 ай бұрын

​​@@MangakamenOh that is *unnerving.* Infantalizing their clients like that is. Fucked.

@kingofhearts3185

3 ай бұрын

Made worse by the Ivy thing in SSKTJL

10:04 Given the mention of Suicide Squad, I wanna bring up how the first two Arkham games, Asylum and City got Paul Dini to write the stories until they decided to have Arkham Knight written in house. It’s a shame really since I’ve heard that Arkham Asylum and City have great stories to go with the great gameplay.

@therealblackcerberus2371

3 ай бұрын

City's story was great up until the final fight. Hugo Strange was full of potential as a villain but they squandered the whole premise of the main threat against Batman when you finally get to him. Same with Asylum and Titan Joker.

@delivererofdarknessshoguno1133

3 ай бұрын

​@@therealblackcerberus2371I'd say that Knight plot was pretty good. (Ironically it would have been better if the arkham knight (the character) did not exist and it was purely focused on Scarecrow+Batman going insane(r), maybe with Azrael's plot being more important). I actually think City had the weakest story of the three, I was not too interested in Ra's and his ninja cosplayers and they kinda made the whole story worse in my opinion.

@twincast2005

3 ай бұрын

My personal Arkham headcanon is limited to AO, AA, and AC, while blissfully ignoring the messes AK and SS:KTJL. All three have a couple of flaws, but nothing that overshadows the great. Whereas the literally only two good things I have to say about AK are that graphics and free-flow combat have been further improved, but they were already plenty good in the prior installments. Horrendous writing. And screw that tank. And SS is pure 💩.

One of the funnier parts about so many spotlights being put on SBI right now is that nearly all of this is a direct result of Chris Kindred on Twitter attempting to silence the Sweet Baby Inc detected Steam Curator Group and the creator of the group, which has also resulted in said group getting so much more attention. Pure Streisand Effect in action.

@georgemeyers7172

3 ай бұрын

He mentioned that in said video.

@Doc-Glock

3 ай бұрын

​@@georgemeyers7172Not saying that he didn't, but that it's worth pointing out, because it's funny.

@georgemeyers7172

3 ай бұрын

@@Doc-Glock It is funny not going to lie. In a "These people are idiots." Kind of way.

surprised to see ya covered em, can respect the calm take, of quit fighting and just let people vote with their wallet. sbi really, really kept shooting themselves in the foot in this short debacle

My issue with these sort of things is that while yes, as you said, certain "ists" and "phobes" are gonna be in every community but that doesn't mean everyone in the discussion is like that, when it comes to topics about diversity they always feel like the LOUDEST. I have stepped away from a lot of channels that would go gung ho on these types of subjects because they pander and fuel those types of people and on top that I'm a black gamer myself, I WANT to see more black protagonists. I WANT more representation, and for the love of GOD in games where you make your own character I want more black hairstyles that aren't buzz cuts, terrible afros, cornrows or those god forsaken Killmonger side hanging dreads. Like most things there's definitely a lot of nuance to this, because yeah there is nothing wrong with me wanting more representation but at the same time I understand not wanting, say a fantasy adventure grinding to a halt to be like "HEY LOOK I'M BLACK" when it has nothing to do with the narrative. Again though, unfortunately these conversations can't ever be, well, a conversation at least in my experience because it always devolves into the most batshit racist, sexist and/or homophobic takes (at least on Twitter and we all know it's a cesspool over there). At the end of the day we all just wanna play and enjoy good games, but I really have no issue with some companies wanting to better represent the under represented especially since there are thousands of games that don't include minorities so wanting to put some at the forefront shouldn't be demonized as long as it's done properly

@Mangakamen

3 ай бұрын

I wouldn't say loudest - I'd say they're the ones who get the spotlight put on them, and people will paint the entire opposite side like that.

@xdskiller3509

3 ай бұрын

​@@Mangakamensorry but doesnt that still mean they are the loudest ?

@user-oj6re6ju9t

3 ай бұрын

I don't know what you mean by racist or homophobic? I would like more examples

@Mangakamen

3 ай бұрын

@xdskiller3509 - No it wouldn't. Spotlight means what you want people to see. That doesn't mean they're the loudest.

@xdskiller3509

3 ай бұрын

​@@Mangakamenok thanks

I didn't even know who these guys were before this video. Filing them away as some asshats and moving on. Thank you for the heads up. 🤔

Most games that have Sweet Baby Inc's involvement have been mediocre to horrible. There were only about three games in that curator's list I liked or want to play. Their involvement is a red flag.

@mikzpwnz_3199

3 ай бұрын

With the games that they've been involved with that i liked, the weakest part was the writing with the gameplay being what held it together.

@mekingtiger9095

3 ай бұрын

@@mikzpwnz_3199 I mean, makes sense when the area they are hired to revise is the writing.

This by far is the most level headed take on this whole situation I've seen. I've seen other KZreadrs make legitimate points but always feel the need to underhandedly shove their own political nonsense. I understand the initial frustrations with the sweet baby situation , but being insipid trolls and hypocritical only further throws gas into the fire, given our arguments no credence and does us no favors as gamers and consumers in the long run . I commend you sir .

@Mangakamen

3 ай бұрын

Trust me I understand that, a lot of the people who talked about SBI that you've seen I've seen be hypocritical.

I've come to hate the phrase "Speak/Vote with your wallet..." because people who have used it, in general, tend to not say the second part out loud "...unless you like the thing that I don't like."

I wasn't paying attention to this, but since even you are talking about it, I'm gonna watch it

MauLer made a really good point that I havent seen a lot of other people talk about. SBI is absolutely a problem but making them the boogeyman doesn't do much to serve the industry since they arent the only ones doing this. Theyre just some of the most overt. For instance, that clip of the Spider-Man 2 director? He's proud of it. Its people like that or like Neil Druckmann in the industry that are doing just as much harm on top of work cultures that dont facilitate discussion that may conflict with a studio or director's biases. Its not necessarily even political stances either. Disney has been reported to not allow people of a given race to animate characters of a different race which is absurd.

@mikzpwnz_3199

3 ай бұрын

Completely agree. SBI is not the root of the problem but more of the enablers. The rubber stamping for the writers who dont care about the material to just autopilot or likely to just autofill with AI script while getting a few personal potshots in there. one of the most observable things of the games SBI has been involved with is that the characters dont shut up with the most unnecessary dialogue breaking the atmosphere.

@matteomastrodomenico1231

3 ай бұрын

Exactly: people seem to be absolving the devs of any kind of responsibility, but they're absolutely complicit in this kind of mentality.

@mikzpwnz_3199

3 ай бұрын

@@matteomastrodomenico1231 given how some are from companies like ubisoft (that have been going this way for some time already), this seems like a "friends of friends" sort of thing for both money and getting away with lazy writing. The more political stuff is the trappings of using that protection to put in personal jabs and gloating about it.

@josephnewsome2935

3 ай бұрын

F### Mauler he’s a rage baiting jackass

@matteomastrodomenico1231

3 ай бұрын

Out of curiosity: where did he make this argument?

This is like the third video in a row in my feed from my subscriptions about the topic. It’s really popping off.

Glad to see more people who aren't obsessed with woke or anti woke stuff are talking about Sweet Baby Inc.

@NoshikiYT

3 ай бұрын

Fr

What kind of name is “Sweet Baby Inc” anyway? That’s the most Weeny Hut Jr thing I’ve ever heard

The name "Sweet Baby Inc." sounds like a frozen Yogurt place to me for some reason.

For awhile I thought SBI was an insult towards kill the justice league developers as a low hanging insult.

Since their thing is inclusiveness. Here is how i think you do good representation. Accuracy, tact, and honesty. Accuracy - correctly portraying symbols, culture, and ideas. Tact - understanding, useing, and showing the group represented as objectively as possible Honesty - representing the group in question without stereo types and/or added misinformation 10 is nearly perfectly hitting the criteria, and 0 is failing entirely. Your representation should hit in the 26 to 30 range at the bare minimum. This is all my personal opinion.

@justaghostinthesea

3 ай бұрын

Very well said

@masqueraid988

3 ай бұрын

@@justaghostinthesea thanks

@garibaldibritann1240

3 ай бұрын

Good take, sunshine

@ArbitraryOutcome

3 ай бұрын

I think your honesty criteria should also include "does not come off as tokenization, in this character exists solely to stand-in for a marginalized group"

@lukebytes5366

3 ай бұрын

​@@ArbitraryOutcome that's really vague though

As a Puerto Rican the flag is so common to us. I studied abroad in China and many of my international classmates kept thinking my flag was the Cuban flag. I don't expect them to know the flag of a tiny Island so I just laugh. However if someone told me they have a bunch of Puerto Rican friends, they need to stick up for them, there needs to be inclusion, and all that stuff but they don't even know the flag, then I'm going to consider them as ignorant as the people they're trying to criticize

@Mangakamen

3 ай бұрын

I think what gets me is that there's a suit that's based on the Puerto Rican flag, and they got that right.

Sweet B🅰️BY May Cry. Quest for getting broke special edition.

They bastardized and sabotaged Saints Row and many other titles. So yes, they are the plague of gaming.

I've been following the SBI situation since October. I'm glad people are finally waking up to this shit.

@Mangakamen

3 ай бұрын

Your thoughts?

@Edgewoodblake

3 ай бұрын

@@Mangakamen I think most of these developers of these games do care about making engaging stories that most people would be happy with. I think most of the time they get kneecapped by these ESG companies like Blackrock and Vanguard into incorporating DEI stuff in their games to get a better ESG score, which in turn, a better loan payout from these companies or their subsidiaries. SBI is tasked to help these companies get a better ESG score, which in turn, makes their products a lot worse. And it's not limited to just the stories of these games. It also affects the way that a lot of these studios will employ certain employees, not by merit, but by other factors like gender, race, ethnicity. Which is probably why you see a lot of these companies and studios layoff so many people recently. I think it's a similar reason as to why Elon Musk fired like %70-%80 of Twitter staff, due to their positions either being redundant or unnecessary. SBI is only one consultant company. There are many others out there. What needs to happen is for us to not only look out for these other companies, but we also need to call out these ESG companies like Blackrock, Vanguard and their subsidiaries for essentially forcing these companies to comply with DEI, lest they be called out for being "racist, homophobic, etc." and in turn, get less investors.

@NemoIncognito

3 ай бұрын

@@Edgewoodblake Dude, your reply got hidden.

@Edgewoodblake

3 ай бұрын

@MangaKamenTheRealOne I had replied, but apparently it got hidden. Did you hide it? Or was it KZread?

@Edgewoodblake

3 ай бұрын

@@NemoIncognito holy shit you're right. I guess I spoke the truth too well.

Go watch Fritinga play video on sweet baby. He more direct on SW and doesn't pussy foot in the whole video.

Yeah, this pretty much sums up my feelings about the situation. I think people are putting WAY too much blame on this singular company, but they're definitely pretty useless and its employees have proven to be idiots.

@thatguynobodywants3716

3 ай бұрын

Sweet Baby Inc. were not the people that forced a Suicide Squad GAAS that's just straight up WB, the company that also did Gotham Knights.

@matteomastrodomenico1231

3 ай бұрын

@@thatguynobodywants3716 I know, who said otherwise?

@mekingtiger9095

3 ай бұрын

Nevertheless, what truly matters is that now we have solid, concrete PROOF that there is an organized movement deliberately injecting their political bias into videogames that we can finally shove at normies while shouting "I told you! I told you! I told you!".

@thatguynobodywants3716

3 ай бұрын

@@matteomastrodomenico1231 The people from Twitter and the ones who think that culture wars will affect reality.

@GodOfWarBG

3 ай бұрын

@@thatguynobodywants3716Live service is not the problem, the proof is the massive success of Helldivers 2 that came out around the same time. Suicide squad is just a dogshit game both gameplay wise and story wise and Sweet Baby worked on the story.

Thank you for covering this!

@ArbitraryOutcome

3 ай бұрын

TBH I'm glad this video exists just because it seems like the most level-headed take on the discussion. I'm already seeing enough outrage grifting and bad faith discussion as is, unfortunately.

@mekingtiger9095

3 ай бұрын

​@@ArbitraryOutcome On both sides, might I add.

I liked god of war Ragnarok. Murder me I enjoyed it's writing and story. I have issues yes especially with its pacing but I still love the game.

@leoultimaupgraded9914

2 ай бұрын

that game was barely affected from SBI from what I’ve seen, not that it matters anyway, your opinion is still valid

SBI is not so much a plague by itself, just a bunch of opportunists that profit off a bigger issue: ESG investment.

@mikzpwnz_3199

3 ай бұрын

Considering that a lot of the employees come from the industry, it seems like a "keep everyone on payroll" scheme that they get paid for stories that they are not on the hook for if they go bad. They also seem to know how to play the HR and Messaging games to not get called out individually for this exept when it comes to social media tantrums (almost like they know how to be "protected").

Sweet Baby is bad but not the actual problem, it's a symptom of the real plague, the ESG investment firms financially incentivizing companies to make what would be incredibly bad business decisions if there wasn't external money subsidizing them, and the DIE initiatives indelibly linked to the "S" and "G" of ESG.

@paloim

3 ай бұрын

They're not a symptom, they're a strain of the greater disease, a head of the hydra, a limb of the leviathan

The customer is always right in matters of taste is the full quote that gets misused to allow Karen's and Kyle's to abuse staff in any industry. I feel the full quote should be considered with games. One you don't like another customer may love. I don't care for having consultants messing with the writing of a game if it transforms it for the worst. Inclusivity isn't bad but if it is executed poorly it makes it seem unnecessary and hollow.

I really loathe the whole "Woke v anti-woke" thing that some how affected EVERYTHING I'm into Of course you have those who pander so much it ruins the overall taste of the game because of the MeSsAgE is the obviously priority Then you have the weirdos who start political tirades on fictional characters that have been long established before 2016...you know? The year where EVERYTHING became political? Can a product just be shit but because it's shit?

Blackrock, SBI...sound like names of supervillains.

Sweet Baby Inc is really more a symptom rather than a cause of the decline of story quality in games lately. Ultimately, the AAA companies working with SBI for the ESG bump know what they are adding to their product. Don't put all the blame on SBI, the industry is infested with this beyond them. However, a great thing to come out of SBI having all this focus on them is it allows us, the consumers, to know what products their label is on and can now boycott those products. A message needs to be sent to those in the industry that we do not want what they have been trying to sell and targetting SBI's involvement to damage the wallets of those that hire them is a great start to sending that message.

I never would have expected Manga to talk about Sweet Baby Inc, yet here we are

That stuff about labelling anyone who criticises your work as an -ist or a -phobe only hurt you is so true. All the stuff about the games, the movies and the shows where people don't like them likely wouldn't be so volatile if it weren't for people involved in the work doing this exact thing. People would just complain and then move on. But because we're being accused of bigotry for not liking them, people push back. And every time it happens, people push harder. I don't believe it's the ideology that's the biggest problem here. I think it's the narcissism leading to people shoehorning things in and then lashing out when people complain that's the problem. The steam page wouldn't be getting so many views if it weren't for that employee basically having a meltdown and drawing attention to it.

@dandrelowery3714

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, the employees who threw a fit need to be fired and blacklisted. Those types of folks should never be given a platform just to go act a fool

Funny that people were making fun of Az for his over-the-top rants, by people who were know for their over-the-top rants.

@mekingtiger9095

3 ай бұрын

How the tunrtables, man. This has got to be one of the biggest "I told you" moments of his entire life. And he himself admitted that.

@Kingcrimson_1456

3 ай бұрын

I don’t know maybe because he gaslight himself thinking a character was trans

@MartianManHunter2258

3 ай бұрын

@@mekingtiger9095 Not really. The game flaws had nothing to do with pronouns. More just Bethesda being Bethesda.

@mekingtiger9095

3 ай бұрын

@@MartianManHunter2258 That's not what I'm talking about. Eveyone knows the game is bad because it's a Bethesda game. What I'm pointing out is that there is actual deliberate systemic bias injected into the games being injected into the games while most dismissed as "conspirancy theories".

All I can say, in regards to all this SBI controversy; is that people just need to do more research on the games they're interested in. We already know how shit the AAA gaming sphere has become over the past few years, there's no reason to go out and buy a game on day one anymore(especially pre-ordering it), unless you're totally for sure it's the game for you.

They care about LGBT characters, not characters who just happen to be LGBT

I'm glad you're more reasonable about this stuff. But I'm also having fun with Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth just like you.

3:19 What's the problem with that statement though? Present someone with a different unfamiliar idea trough a medium that they like, allowing them to accept the idea naturally and think about it/learn about it in a healthy, easily digestible manner. That's literally how proper teaching works... PS: Respect to you for one of the very few measured responses to the whole situation.

@Mangakamen

3 ай бұрын

I appreciate that, but here's the problem that you're not understanding though: It's not unfamiliar. And when said information is presented terribly - It's a bad thing. If you want an example with this stuff - Spiderman 2 had gotten Miles' flag wrong in his apartment, and the Spanish version actively changed the language to include vernacular that wasn't appreciated by Spanish speakers. And frankly speaking, if it also is a detriment to the actual produce like it's alluded to here, because in this same interview, they had to cut things out that people wanted for this. Also, if it's taken out in other countries (like it was confirmed to do so), then it comes off as virtue signalling. Even then, what you're also referring to is Mithridatism - you can say it's teaching, but it can also be a poison as well. And considering that a lot of people had issues with the writing of Spiderman 2, it's not something that people want. In addition, you're ignoring what I said before the statement - Frankly speaking, I found a lot of the attempts that the developers for SM2 tried to do this to be rather insulting and boring at times. So in that regard, it fails as a teaching tool.

@manolgeorgiev9664

3 ай бұрын

@@Mangakamen When it comes to the flag, I chalk that up to lack of oversight or at worst - a lack of care. When it comes to the language changes, it's a bit more complicated for me. Yes, it was likely insulting to some (if not most) Spanish players, but not to all and the change could also be inclusive for others. The thing is, that there are very few changes that can be universally appealing when it comes to inclusivity. A portrayal of a certain culture or group can be inclusive to some, while not representative of others that are also a part of the same group. To me the main problem here is with the mentality that a certain representation of a group is the only way these people are, or that media presenting a person from a certain group a specific way, means that it's generalizing for every person belonging to that group. Inclusivity will most of the time inevitably exclude some people or offend others, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. The best way I can think of that can make this situation better is having a more diverse representation within the represented group itself - something that will break the idea of stereotyping. Even talking about a certain stereotypes that are generally considered offensive, I think aren't inherently bad to have in media if there is proper execution - and having both characters who adhere to that stereotype and characters who don't is a way to achieve that. I agree completely with the "taking it out in other countries" - I've always hated that double standard. When it comes to mithridatism, it's a matter of biology and which poisons it works for and for which it doesn't, as well as measuring the doses properly. This can all technically be regulated for an almost certainly safe result. When it comes to the method of teaching I referred to, that also applies - the quality of execution is what determines whether the the result is favorable or not. The method itself works well and I find it to be a great way of teaching when it's done properly. Overall, I find the problem to lie in failure with execution, not the method itself. That's what I meant in my original comment - the method in how the dev presented it was okay, it's just that their execution was poor. And yes, that most often happens due to attempts to get a high esg scores, combined with a lack of genuine care or with crunch times. The discourse surrounding such topics usually boils down to just pointing out when inclusivity is done poorly, without even addressing the core issues or how it should be done better (not saying that's the case with you). That's why that clip bugged me. In essence what the guy said was fine, so putting attention to their method ("He's saying the quiet part out loud") in that case felt like you're dismissing the actual problem, which wasn't that the method itself is harmful (which it isn't).

@Mangakamen

3 ай бұрын

"When it comes to the flag, I chalk that up to lack of oversight or at worst - a lack of care" Then what's the point of having companies like SBI if they can't catch those issues? And even then... They had the flag right with one of Miles' suits. If anything, it comes off more insulting than anything. "Yes, it was likely insulting to some (if not most) Spanish players, but not to all and the change could also be inclusive for others. The thing is, that there are very few changes that can be universally appealing when it comes to inclusivity. A portrayal of a certain culture or group can be inclusive to some, while not representative of others that are also a part of the same group" Here's the thing though - A language shouldn't be dictated by a minority of people - It's like the term Latinx, something that was created in online culture and pushed by American colleges - It's not up to them to decide that. It's up to the actual people of a country, and if there are plenty of people, by your own admission, who DO NOT LIKE IT, and found issue with it, does that mean they suddenly get to be ignored? If anything, the attempt to be inclusive, just did the opposite. That's more virtue signalling than anything else. "When it comes to the method of teaching I referred to, that also applies - the quality of execution is what determines whether the the result is favorable or not. The method itself works well and I find it to be a great way of teaching when it's done properly" yeah, but that's for teaching people things - This isn't teaching. It's supposed to be a form of entertainment, and injecting this sorts of things is gonna make a good portion of people mad because they didn't come for a lecture. " the method in how the dev presented it was okay, it's just that their execution was poor" Well there's two other issues that you're ignoring with this - 1) The actual stuff being pushed, and 2) what the medium is being pushed. Even if you wanna say the method is okay, the fact that they have to do this in a video game, and under the guise of something that they know what people wanted? It's like putting a secret ingredient in someone's food - and with that analogy - What if someone was allergic to that? Would you do the same to that person in that regard? It's essentially the same thing, putting something that someone doesn't like into something they do. ". That's why that clip bugged me. In essence what the guy said was fine, so putting attention to their method ("He's saying the quiet part out loud") in that case felt like you're dismissing the actual problem, which wasn't that the method itself is harmful (which it isn't)" Well, there's a few things wrong with this: 1) I didn't put that there. I was only able to find the clip of that somewhere else in a previously edited video. You didn't ask me if I put that there, and you only assumed it. 2) Technically speaking, this method can be harmful. You saying it isn't, is ignoring that this sort of thing can be used in terrible means. It's a case of Subliminal messaging. and 3) What you're doing is taking that one statement and looking at it on it's own. Considering the other issues that I've brought up in the video and this conversation - The flag, the changing of the language, the fact that they removed ALL of this stuff for certain country releases - This method is being used in poor faith. You're not going to convince me otherwise.

@manolgeorgiev9664

3 ай бұрын

@@Mangakamen Okay, I get your points. Although I have my reservations with your comment about "this isn't teaching, it's supposed to be a form of entertainment..." - I think it can be both; I also find the analogy with putting a special ingredient in someone's food weak, because having inclusivity put into a game and having a potentially harmful ingredient put into someone's food without their knowledge are very different in form and consequences - for one, you can't be allergic to inclusivity even when done poorly, while a "special ingredient" can legitimently be harmful. For two, the special ingredient is supposedly targeted at a specific person or people, otherwise I don't see it making much sense, while the inclusivity insert is meant to be seen by thousands of different people with different preferences (not specifically a certain group or a certain kind of people, but rather everyone who might buy the game). I don't see those two scenarios as equivalent, so I wouldn't necessarily consider both of them unacceptable. "I didn't put that there... You didn't ask me if I put that there, you only assumed it" - Sorry. Based on the info I got from the video, I was under the impression that you agreed with that statement anyway, but assuming that you put it there is still my bad. In hindsight, singling out that one edited clip was stupid of me in the first place. When it comes to the other points - fair enough, I concede on them. Not to say that I completely agree, but that you gave me something to think about on my own. Anyway, thanks for the conversation!

I hated or avoid every game on that list and never knew why these games were so bad. Now I do thank you curator page.

If I remember correctly, the Steam Curator removed Starfield and another game from the list exactly because they realized IMDB was highly plausibly inaccurate. They did say however that they confirmed through said games' credits scenes that a different company doing the same/similar "protection racket" as Sweet Baby Inc were responsible for those games. I'm of the opinion that the gaming industry needs some major spring cleaning. If we're going to throw the baby out, we should also throw the bathwater out with it as it is clearly soaked with many of the same M.O. grifters.

This issue makes me really worried for the future of gaming and people who genuinely wanna write real stories in videogames. Because now thanks to this company, whenever a new writer writes a character that's not the standard: (Ex: A trans character, a Black disabled man or a character of mixed race) they're gonna accuse the game of being "woke" for just doing something different. I want fun games and good stories but i also want something new like how the Indie games are handling things on the PC Market. Don't know how this will go in the future.

@ArbitraryOutcome

3 ай бұрын

On the other hand, corporate pinkwashing just makes me appreciate authentic rep even more.

@sarafontanini7051

3 ай бұрын

oh trust me: assholes would do that regardless. A LOT of right wingers jsut cannot handle the IDEA of something non white and non white hetero and non cis EXISTING (for example, the 'pronouns guy' who had an extendeed rant about starfield having an "they/them" pronoun option and flipping out cause a character was a female clone of a male villain and thus he assumed her to be 'trans') They're jsut using the claims against SBI as a way to jsutify their behaviour, friend

I always found it strange that certain companies suddenly need to fill scores when we have had games that were fairly inclusive and diverse before SBI was ever a thing. I believe if you are genuine about it, you wouldn't need a sketchy board breathing down your necks. Looking at Palworld, Lethal Company, Helldivers 2, and the akin, it's clear what the general public's priorities are: fun games.

@cybertramon0012

3 ай бұрын

A checklist is something that can be quantified. Which means that it can be used to prop up your ego, the same way online high scores are used by some people. Where it's not what you're scoring that matters, but having the biggest numbers.

@ArbitraryOutcome

3 ай бұрын

I always thought it was money-related and companies largely don't care, hence the rise of "rainbow capitalism". Now there's more reason to assume that's actually the case. It's even funnier because a lot of games then felt more "woke" (in the traditional sense, being socially conscious and aware rather than "minorities existing in media") in terms of deeper themes and ideas than in present.

Never apologize for defending your passions from the evil that wishes to corrupt it. The company did this to themselves. Apparently, the message from 2014 needs updating. The video game devs didn't heed the warnings from the GG days. Now, even more than usual they believe that things on social media/"journalist" articles are the market. It's not, nor has it ever been.

I'm glad you made this video

Man. I remember when devs consulted doctors for realstic facial structure and animations, military for tactics, weapon, and uniform authenticity, historians for historical authenticity or accuracy, and even just local people in an area to capture its culture or language when their country or city is used as a setting. Now consultants are for... selling the rest of the world on pointless American identity politics. Great.

I think people need to keep in mind that this could be a chicken or the egg situation. Does Sweet baby inc make games worse, or do they just work on games that are badly written anyways, so they can’t improve or worsen it by much. Also, I think a lot of people are getting the mindset that any game that had involvement with SBI is “Woke garbage” or something, just because some of the games they worked with are bad. Sure, a lot of them are pretty bad, but we don’t know how much they had a hand in making them bad.

@sarafontanini7051

3 ай бұрын

supposedly they only worked on minor things in Kill The Justice League, as an example

Thank you for informing me on this subject, personally I think it's silly. A shame that some SBI employees brought it up, but still it's a shame that content creators and online randos are making them out to be some boogieman responsible for stuff that we don't really know, but they think they know, cause I've seen people just pin everything they dislike about a game on them in terms of writing, when a consulting firm is realistically not that grand in terms of their influence from what I've seen online

@SunDry_Marchy

3 ай бұрын

One of their pimps talked a big game about editing the living shit out of SS justice league game

@mekingtiger9095

3 ай бұрын

The bigger boogieman is Corporate Sociopolitical Activism (yes, that's a real name for a phenomenon) as a whole.

So I’ve been recently playing the sega Saturn and it really makes me nostalgic of going to the movie theaters shopping malls and pizza places (like Chuck E. Cheese!) Going to these arcade places and playing games! (I could DEFINITELY smell the pizza and buttery popcorn from here!) what is your favorite arcade game? When I look at stuff like this it kind of makes me angry it makes me wish we stop this and get back to basics and experiment new ideas!

There is definitely a noticeable pattern when all the games on that list all have problems with writing. I hope hyper light breaker is dialouge-less so i can at least still enjoy it

I hate that sbi is affiliated with alan wake 2, its such a good game and people are going to assume its bad because of sbi's affiliation with it

@taniatokustar7737

2 ай бұрын

Than thise peopole are class a capital M MORONS

Well SBI devotion to inclusivity kinda backfired in their face with god of war ragnarok tho they probably didn’t know it, imagine making the Egyptian gods white or the Japanese gods and Hindu gods white, that’s cultural appropriation right? So the same applies to making a Norse figure black it’s only fair after all Norwegians are mostly white especially in the past. Besides that I love god of war ragnarok and it’s one of my favourite god of war games but I will not ignore the cultural appropriation.

video got recommended on the algorithm, i guess since it's a hot topic rn. the random toku clips/references caught me off guard but I guess were expected with the user name. good video and nice neutral but direct stance on the subject matter.

I am quite curious what you would think about getter robo or megaton mushashi wired

"We give them what they like then force in new stuff and make them like it". I like writing stories and even then. If you are doing sequels to your stores you should treat the new stuff as being a part of the story the whole time and not cram it down the readers throat. How do they fail this basic understanding of writing!?

@Mangakamen

3 ай бұрын

Cause it works. Unfortunately.

When things are forced, they appear insincere or pandery, or it sticks out like a puzzle piece from a different puzzle squeezed into a place it doesn't belong. Angrboda in God of War Ragnarok is an example. She's not egregious as a character, but in a game centered on Norse mythology, she doesn't fit in. She's only there to tick a box. Then you have the Spider-Man 2 missions with the gay kid and the deaf girl, either taking control away from you to just watch a ham-fisted scene or it grinds the game's action to a halt so that you can do a spray paint mini game. Sweet Baby drags down whatever they're a part of, save for maybe Goodbye Volcano High. They're probably a perfect fit for each other. Sweet Baby is a bunch of shallow narcissists who helped create this representation "crisis" and are offering the solution themselves, and that solution is "obey me." They want power, and they'll play the victim to get it, because victimhood is virtuous in our society. People were saying Yoshi P was racist for wanting to tell the story of FF16 how he wanted to, because if you're going to tell a story that involves slavery, the slaves must be black according to these people. Because it isn't about the story or its quality for them, it's doing as you're told. I honestly don't mind if a chatacter is gay or straight or trans, what skin color they have or religion they follow, or if they're even human. I just want it to be good in some capacity. And more often than not when a game advertises how diverse it is, it isn't ever good. And when these characters are consistently not-good, we notice a pattern. It isn't our fault for noticing, it's their fault for not writing good characters/stories.

Love how people joke about Chinese social credit when ESG exists in America

Az/HeelvsBabyface has recently put context to that videoclip in response to Act Man talking about him and starfield (with the later showing their mutual contact, without permission, mind you, DMs they had) That clip was taken after 7hours in the game. It wasn't from the start of the game, amongst other things that were taken out of context thanks to Act man an others knee jerk reaction to Azs vids on Starfield.

Sure, I'm right-wing and share both it and left beliefs like LGBTQ+ and racial equality, but I strayed far from the SBI situation until now. But the company's employees were involved in shady practices over the years, including Alec Holowka taking his own life after false allegations or Gamergate, something of sin for both political wings associated with the art of gaming. Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkessian are the most notorious SJWs out there; treated as the occasional punching bags by people with sense and internet trolls due to their corrupt beliefs and hatred of well-written and beautiful women or female protagonists(which originated from Japanese-made games and are "oversexualized", mind you). I don't mind diversity in anything developed, albiet not shoehorned to provide a 'message' on society. Fiction serves to allow the person experiencing it to escape the hardships of reality. However SBI's ties to a controversial multi-million company like BlackRock was the straw that broke the camel's back. The contract itself worsened their reputation after being comprised of notorious SJWs the entire internet poked fun at, as well as their employees acting idiotic let alone toxic. Regarding Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League, WB Games is now focusing solely on AAA live-service games, completely unaware of the aforementioned game's failure, and that's not a good sign...

I've been avoiding games with lacking quality for quite awhile letting many months(often a year+) pass before picking it up. See reviews and footage, paying attention to things I strongly dislike/tired of and keeping in mind I have a backlog. Also, I find it very telling that anyone that works/supports SBI is against acknowledging/tracking their work.

9:28 Wild Klonoa Windmill Theme appears!

Facts

Its super weird because I feel like because a mix of political activism and financial incentives we are just getting more performative diversity instead of what we got just a couple decades ago

I think you got it with the esg thing. The whole "woke" thing is the vehicle, but its not the cliff it gets drove off of. I think the problem is that lots of AAA devs are making games for investors instead of consumers. Its been like that for awhile, but before gamers were at least a middleman for investor satisfaction. Basically, the biggest places are running on fumes because some huge firms offer piles of cash for easy to check objectives. Why bother with the actual players who are way more picky? Instead just shout out some group and try not to offend anyone and you can fund it without eating into your personal reserves as much.

Is this why the dialouge in spiderman 2 felt weaker than the first

@mikzpwnz_3199

3 ай бұрын

It felt like dialogue for dialogues sake witht points where it was either the writer being on autopilotand being paid by the word or was auto generated.

I'm glad sweet baby inc are finally getting exposed.

While I don’t really have any personal hang-ups with SBI due to typically staying out of culture war BS, and even largely enjoyed some of the games you listed (God of War Ragnarok, Alan Wake 2 and even Spider-Man 2, which I personally liked way more than you did), the reaction that person had from someone having something as innocuous as that Steam group is just beyond baffling. Like, they’re not inciting harassment or causing any harm, so what reason was there to even bring attention to it? Just like you said, it even brought the intended effect by causing *more* people to follow that list, instead of taking it down like OP wanted. And if you have this person from said company throwing a temper tantrum over something so small, then it’ll only reflect poorly on them on the end.

Great video, Kamen! Personally, I can't really care all that much about SBI and their behavior. Not because of what they've done with games since I'm tired of just hearing about that, but simply because I am just done dealing with this crap. I just wanna play games that I know I'll enjoy and have fun (may complain about stuff, but hopefully still have fun) with and then decide whether my time was worth it.

Is that Judgement in the video? Oh some more companies like that Weird Ghost, Infinite Ammo Inc, Cozy Comet games, Balance Patch and Silverstring Media.

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have we forgotten about the overwatch diversity chart?

@GM-xk1nw

3 ай бұрын

yes, because that was not implemented you rtrd

@angrybrony

3 ай бұрын

@GM-xk1nw heh wow, just jumped straight to the name calling and slurs. You must have such a nice personality irl

@sarafontanini7051

3 ай бұрын

granted the diversity chart was likely jsut a smokescreen for blizzard to try and distract people from the WAYYYYYYYYY worse shit they've been doing

@angrybrony

3 ай бұрын

@@sarafontanini7051 it might be a lesser sin but it's kinda a symptom of the bigger shit.

7:49 I'm pretty sure it was to give people a little taste of what the future venom game could be like. (Plus, what context outside of that one we got that could explain playing as venom more then what we got?)

@Mangakamen

3 ай бұрын

Free roam mode? Have parts of the game where the Symbiote completely takes over the character it's taken over and have like a werewolf sort of idea. There are ways to do this.

0:55 Wait what did Goodbye volcano high do? I literally only know of it’s existence and nothing else

@tehrik0020

3 ай бұрын

Suck, mostly. Poorly programmed, unengaging gameplay, cardboard cut-out uninteresting characters with archetypal personalities and no originality whatsoever.

Has anyone here seen the abdolute out of pocket insult an employee of SweetBaby made after Toriyama's death

@mekingtiger9095

3 ай бұрын

To be fwir, she said that Toriyama made both the best and the worst black characters. I don't see the total disrespect in that statement, to be honest. But since English is not my first language, I don't know what she meant by "It takes range to do that".

@Reptile64

3 ай бұрын

@@mekingtiger9095 it's because they think Mr Popo is representing a black man when he's not. His design is based off an eastern god

@mekingtiger9095

3 ай бұрын

@@Reptile64 Oh...... AAAAAAH, GEEEEEE, WHAT A BAD TAKE!!!

SBI is a symptom of the real cause of the decline of gaming. Too many people involved with game development. Before the 2010s, games were passion projects. Look at Warcraft 3. Did anyone think to make a story where the Orc was a good guy? And the human turned into a bad guy? Chris Metzen did. He did it not for any market. Not for any demographic or shareholder but for himself. Halo was created by Bungie and was their passion project. Marty O'Donnell talked about it all the time. The small team Bungie was had their hearts set on Making Halo. Stories like this litter gaming's history even today. No Man's Sky was one guy's passion project he and small team made a reality despite the horrible release. THAT is what gaming is. SBI represents modern gaming. People trying to capture phantom audiences, fear of offending people and chasing demographics that may not even be interested in your medium let alone your game. The passion for gaming is DEAD in the triple A market. SBI and how many major projects they've been on prove it.

@xdskiller3509

3 ай бұрын

Agree , thats a part of it . But i feel there are other factors like bad planning , a rushed releases , out of touch ceos and the fact that most companies know that you dont need to make a good game to get money .

@glwgameplayer1716

3 ай бұрын

In my opinion, that's how we came to the rise of Indie games. Small teams working on passion projects with limited size and scope tend to produce games that are small but very good in whatever field they set out to fill. It's easier to communicate, ideas can flow freely, usually close to minimal infighting or departmental spats, (I've heard horror stories of small teams being terrorized by some sort of central figure, but that's not a common issue.) And then with AAA companies, you have teams and departments all dancing to the tune of directors and suits, some of whom don't care about the product and just want money.

@googleisevil8958

3 ай бұрын

@@xdskiller3509 Given how horrible Triple A gaming has become in recent years, we could spend hours on hours listing off the reasons for its decline. Hell, Helldivers 2 actually had Ex 343 employees come out and say they shot Microsoft the idea of doing something similar with ODSTs but Microsoft didn't think Halo fans would want it... Bet their kicking themselves for such a boneheaded move.

I have breeze in the clouds on my wishlist and frankly I’m a bit worried

An artist can't pretend to be doing something for the sake of "expression" if they turned art into a business. When you demand people to give you money in exchange for your product, and when you build upon an IP you didn't create, the rules change.

One of the issues I have with them is that they might get developers to ingore past game lore. Look at Suiside Squad, Harley and Ivy were implied to be in a relationship. Last time we saw this version of Harley, she was still obsessed with the Joker with no signs of getting over him. Also didn't she help Scarecrow last game? Scarecrow made an enemy out of Ivy because he was hurting the Green. I'm not saying there's something wrong with the relationship in other media, however, THIS SPECIFIC versions of the characters wouldn't even be close to each other as aquaintances much less Girlfriends. Harley in the Arkhamverse is easily one of the most evil versions of the characters we ever got. It's like they took how other projects depict her while ignoring the Arkham lore altogether because that person we got, wasn't Arkham Harley.

@matteomastrodomenico1231

3 ай бұрын

This seems more something coming from DC, to make them more similar to the versions they've been pushing.

@JohnWilliams-wl9px

3 ай бұрын

In Asylum Ivy did flirt with Harley but the latter didn’t react much to it. Kinda shows they weren’t couple in Arkham verse.

@lukebytes5366

3 ай бұрын

That can be applied to pretty much everything in the game.

I just finished the video, and uhhhhhh. While I dont think this is the worst thing to hit the gaming industry on a physical level, it sure as hell smacked them in the public relations department pretty hard. The professional thing SBi could, no, SHOULD have done was not walk into the metaphorical minefield with a hammer, and proceed to swing like a madman. To add some nuance to this discussion, this situation is just going to give people on both sides more sh*t to sling at one another instead of asking the bigger picture of "Will this help both parties improve gaming as a whole, or are we giving a mouthpiece of spotlight that's focusing on the wrong aspects of diversity and inclusion in gaming?" I know that wasn't the most eloquent way of presenting my two cents, but that's the best way I can put it. And man, I was gearing up for 2024 to be a good year. The past two months have said otherwise.

Basically SBI is just there so game companies can get that sweet ESG investment. Now what will happen if people don't buy their games despite that investment?

I did not expect you to suddenly mention Toku. Hi

@Mangakamen

3 ай бұрын

I do it a few times in this :)

If I had to use an example that sorta probably can relate. It would be kim possible the cartoon. Yes the lead was a girl. Yes she was mostly the hero. However they wrote her as a hero that happened to be a girl. And I feel that’s a lost concept for most media these days. They want to solely focus on their sex, sexuality, or race FIRST. Make them perfectly flawless and any attempts giving them flaws was. Obviously forced. Instead of making a good character or story. Or heck Captain Jack from Doctor Who who is openly gay or bisexual or pan or whichever he’s meant to be, sorry. But that wasn’t the focus of his character. He was just a charming cool future space science fiction cop hero who flirted with everyone he found attractive.

@cybertramon0012

3 ай бұрын

They also don't act like Kim's perfect at everything and without flaws. In fact a few episodes were focused on her having problems like any other teenager does. Plus her partner Ron is just as important to the plot as she is, even if he's more the comedic partner type. Neither of them feel overshadowed by the other in the plots.

@DarkEclipse23

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. They were both essential and had their own contributions which is why Shego split them up. Not to mention what she WAS good at was her flaw like when she was coaching her brother’s team.

@lukebytes5366

3 ай бұрын

"don't make their race gender etc. the focus" isn't a good rule though. What about stories that revolve entirely around discrimination? If anything, the issue is that companies nowadays want to copy what was done back then; make a really strong character who happens to be a certain race or sex. But unlike those old characters, we're not in a time where such an archetype is special. but companies want to pretend it still is and it only burns people out.