Keefer talks about suspension clicker settings and the proper way to go about getting a better feeling motorcycle out on the track. This is for beginners that need to learn the basics.
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@chummy22Ай бұрын
This is honestly awesome information been riding for 18 years and never had anyone lay it out like keefer everyone tries to make it sound more complex then it is, run this series for everything kris talk tires motors gear whatveer im tuning in
@moto3463Ай бұрын
The bike looks sick, thanks for the tech info Keefer.
@cnosigamerАй бұрын
I'm really glad for each video you record!
@reineherrera8897Ай бұрын
Just as a tip to the tip…the first click (out) from fully seated is not “1”, it is “0”. Always needed this as a reminder when writing/referencing settings for baselines.
@davidneys702
Ай бұрын
Not true, did you not listen
@reineherrera8897
Ай бұрын
Keefer liked the comment. Did you not see?
@Keeferinctesting
Ай бұрын
Just to be clear, when we do testing once the clicker gets hard and it stops, back out is considered one. This is normal for production “clicker setting numbers”.
@reineherrera8897
Ай бұрын
@@Keeferinctesting I’d be interested in knowing what the zero setting is that I find in my service manual. I can’t imagine the OEM suggesting to ride around with the clicker past the last click and fully seated.
@Ghost20765
Ай бұрын
@@reineherrera8897exactly. Dont believe everything Queefer tells you… buddy should stick to his day job of thinking he is the perfect parent
@ShiftGearsMotoАй бұрын
The west/east coast suggestions was really helpful. Thanks for the video!
@STAFFIHOUNDАй бұрын
This is great information and well explained.
@LilLefty27Ай бұрын
Awesome video. The average Joe likely knows very little about suspension, including me. Saved this video for future reference 👍
@frankcraymerdds3875Ай бұрын
Thanks for the info, always helps.
@Marc75728 күн бұрын
Keefer, you are a moto treasure.
@mikeyp9894Ай бұрын
You the man Kris! Good stuff!
@Joe-pb3lxАй бұрын
good info....thanks, my bike was diving in corners
@michaelledoux5261Күн бұрын
I was having trouble on a2005 CRF450 and had the bike re-valved softer spring. I got in touch with Race Tec and what I got from the conversation was damping, damping, damping. It takes me a while, well I just bought a new 2023 YZ250X and I was struggling, then the light came back on and I adjusted the damping no softer spring and it worked.
@cdog2145Ай бұрын
Thankyou brother, your doing allot for the sport. Love from UK, get yo ass back to foxhills 🤠
@doug_erricksonАй бұрын
A keefer channel?!?! Sub'd!
@alexarmstrong1134Ай бұрын
thanks Keefer
@ballou1777Ай бұрын
Clear as mud
@zacka1614 күн бұрын
Do you go in or out on rebound to make rebound faster?
@hoerenj0ng141Ай бұрын
Good tips overall. Keep in mind fork rebound has a large effect on cornering as well and it is not explained a lot in these types of videos. The correct amount of rebound dampening is needed to properly settle and follow through in the corner. Also, for pure sand typically a slower rebound is recommended rather than a faster one
@Keeferinctesting
Ай бұрын
In most cases yes, sand requires slower rebound but if you’re going in on comp/LSC then sometimes you’ll need to speed up rebound to compensate but I wasn’t trying to make this video too complicated. Simple basics then we can break down suspension more in a part two slightly longer video. 👍🏻
@hoerenj0ng141
Ай бұрын
@@Keeferinctesting Thanks, I think myself and a lot of others would really appreciate an in depth video or podcast (perhaps with a suspension expert) with tips how to tackle the most common handling or suspension issues by using just the clickers and fork oil level etc. I feel a lot of guys get stuck in a window where the bike feels fairly balanced and are afraid to move out of that. To me it was a revelation just how much the KTM app recommends closing clickers on sand and it helps the cornering stability a lot.
@ExitwoundstudioАй бұрын
Isn’t that cool!!! 2 questions; Let’s say we are 12 clicks out on the fork compression we should be somewhat close to 12 clicks out on rebound? 12 clicks out on compression and 1 click out on rebound would not be acceptable? I saw on the newest KTM factory edition there is a connectivity option. Is there a connectivity option or upgrade for a 2011 KTM 350 SXF? Thank you.
@johnwilkes8847Ай бұрын
Clickers feel like black magic. I can get a setting that feels unbeatable in corners but like booty in the chop. Then I can find a setting that’s good on jumps and chop but it’s booty in the corners. I’ve pretty much given up. I set them to your recommended clicker settings for the 22 yz450 and leave it at that.
@michaelanderson1727Ай бұрын
Is there a general rule of thumb for clickers and rebound? If i go out two or three clicks, what should i be doing with rebound?
@Keeferinctesting
Ай бұрын
It’s a preference thing and I didn’t want to make it harder for beginners to learn. Usually there is a 2 for 1. Every two clicks in on compression, go one out faster on rebound. Also vice versa. 2 out on compression, one in on rebound. This will be in written version this week on my website.
@seandavchrsnАй бұрын
Cheers Keef-diggy! Post up anything you consider helpful. -S.
@teeniorcitizen8537Ай бұрын
Kris, I don’t have a Kawasaki… could you please do a video like this for a Husqvarna? By the way, I have a Two-Stroke if that makes a difference. Thank You!
@brap10151
Ай бұрын
Yeah Kris. Go out and buy every brand bike 4 stroke and 2 strokes and do a video on each so teeniorcitizen8537 can understand… serious mate?
@davidmoore_723
Ай бұрын
Same rules apply regardless of motorcycle or more importantly suspension brand.
@teeniorcitizen8537
Ай бұрын
@@davidmoore_723 Thanks, but I have a Two-Stroke. I’ve emailed Kris and I’m sure he’ll get back to me.
@jakerivets2249
Ай бұрын
🤣
@jakerivets2249
Ай бұрын
@@teeniorcitizen8537 🤣
@Skate436Ай бұрын
🤟🤟
@ryankittelstadАй бұрын
I though if your on 1 on rebound per say,that’s the fastest the fork will shoot back up. Is that wrong?
@Keeferinctesting
Ай бұрын
1 means, 1 out. That is slow.
@joshb69200925 күн бұрын
What would you recommend for a 2023 yzf250 hardback conditions intermediate level rider. Clicker wise
@jdc9128
18 күн бұрын
I have same bike in same conditions , what weight are you ?
@joshb692009
18 күн бұрын
I’m 70kg or 155 pounds, help would be appreciated
@joshb692009
18 күн бұрын
I’ve had my springs changed I just need clicker settings. Thanks
@jdc9128
18 күн бұрын
4.2 springs front and 48 for rear for your weight ? Set sag and clickers in stock settings then work from there , hard to say clickers as it's down to the day on the track and your speed , see how stock feels ,maybe need to speed up rebound a little to account for small chattery bumps
@joshb692009
18 күн бұрын
4.6 on the front which is stock and I’ve got a 45 n k-tech spring on the rear. I feel like the front is good. Yesterday I was riding a very hard pack track braking and accelerating bumps. And I was feeling a lot of chatter when going hard in and out of corners. 👍🏽
@scottashton6533Ай бұрын
Are you from Pittsburgh I went to school with a Chris Keefer
@Keeferinctesting
Ай бұрын
No, sir.
@mxer502Ай бұрын
How sensitive are clickers on WP components?
@Keeferinctesting
Ай бұрын
One click at a time. Fairly sensitive.
@mikemeeks8122Ай бұрын
Is that Matthes humble abode?
@Keeferinctesting
Ай бұрын
Sir, Matthes place is much bigger and better than this place. 😂
@goodtimeswithcoreyАй бұрын
Always hear you refer to high speed as ride height . But doesnt low speed control pitching and squatting considering these are low shaft speed movements and the high speed is for taking hits and bumps/ hard edge stuff. Low speed is what i use to control ride height on mtn bikes
@Keeferinctesting
Ай бұрын
In the world of dirt bikes, HSC actually affects ride height on/off throttle more than LSC. LSC can control some on throttle damping characteristics, of course but HSC affects the bike more statically. I’m not a suspension tech, I’m just a test guy that gives those other guys feedback. Most suspension techs will agree if you don’t want to mess with your sag, HSC can help balance of bike on/off throttle.
@h20mxracer222Ай бұрын
Thanks! Is that what $70k/year house looks like? I'm definitely doing something wrong..
@Keeferinctesting
Ай бұрын
High Dez 70K is different than most. 😝
@h20mxracer222
Ай бұрын
@@Keeferinctesting Beautiful area and home. Impressive.
Пікірлер: 60
This is honestly awesome information been riding for 18 years and never had anyone lay it out like keefer everyone tries to make it sound more complex then it is, run this series for everything kris talk tires motors gear whatveer im tuning in
The bike looks sick, thanks for the tech info Keefer.
I'm really glad for each video you record!
Just as a tip to the tip…the first click (out) from fully seated is not “1”, it is “0”. Always needed this as a reminder when writing/referencing settings for baselines.
@davidneys702
Ай бұрын
Not true, did you not listen
@reineherrera8897
Ай бұрын
Keefer liked the comment. Did you not see?
@Keeferinctesting
Ай бұрын
Just to be clear, when we do testing once the clicker gets hard and it stops, back out is considered one. This is normal for production “clicker setting numbers”.
@reineherrera8897
Ай бұрын
@@Keeferinctesting I’d be interested in knowing what the zero setting is that I find in my service manual. I can’t imagine the OEM suggesting to ride around with the clicker past the last click and fully seated.
@Ghost20765
Ай бұрын
@@reineherrera8897exactly. Dont believe everything Queefer tells you… buddy should stick to his day job of thinking he is the perfect parent
The west/east coast suggestions was really helpful. Thanks for the video!
This is great information and well explained.
Awesome video. The average Joe likely knows very little about suspension, including me. Saved this video for future reference 👍
Thanks for the info, always helps.
Keefer, you are a moto treasure.
You the man Kris! Good stuff!
good info....thanks, my bike was diving in corners
I was having trouble on a2005 CRF450 and had the bike re-valved softer spring. I got in touch with Race Tec and what I got from the conversation was damping, damping, damping. It takes me a while, well I just bought a new 2023 YZ250X and I was struggling, then the light came back on and I adjusted the damping no softer spring and it worked.
Thankyou brother, your doing allot for the sport. Love from UK, get yo ass back to foxhills 🤠
A keefer channel?!?! Sub'd!
thanks Keefer
Clear as mud
Do you go in or out on rebound to make rebound faster?
Good tips overall. Keep in mind fork rebound has a large effect on cornering as well and it is not explained a lot in these types of videos. The correct amount of rebound dampening is needed to properly settle and follow through in the corner. Also, for pure sand typically a slower rebound is recommended rather than a faster one
@Keeferinctesting
Ай бұрын
In most cases yes, sand requires slower rebound but if you’re going in on comp/LSC then sometimes you’ll need to speed up rebound to compensate but I wasn’t trying to make this video too complicated. Simple basics then we can break down suspension more in a part two slightly longer video. 👍🏻
@hoerenj0ng141
Ай бұрын
@@Keeferinctesting Thanks, I think myself and a lot of others would really appreciate an in depth video or podcast (perhaps with a suspension expert) with tips how to tackle the most common handling or suspension issues by using just the clickers and fork oil level etc. I feel a lot of guys get stuck in a window where the bike feels fairly balanced and are afraid to move out of that. To me it was a revelation just how much the KTM app recommends closing clickers on sand and it helps the cornering stability a lot.
Isn’t that cool!!! 2 questions; Let’s say we are 12 clicks out on the fork compression we should be somewhat close to 12 clicks out on rebound? 12 clicks out on compression and 1 click out on rebound would not be acceptable? I saw on the newest KTM factory edition there is a connectivity option. Is there a connectivity option or upgrade for a 2011 KTM 350 SXF? Thank you.
Clickers feel like black magic. I can get a setting that feels unbeatable in corners but like booty in the chop. Then I can find a setting that’s good on jumps and chop but it’s booty in the corners. I’ve pretty much given up. I set them to your recommended clicker settings for the 22 yz450 and leave it at that.
Is there a general rule of thumb for clickers and rebound? If i go out two or three clicks, what should i be doing with rebound?
@Keeferinctesting
Ай бұрын
It’s a preference thing and I didn’t want to make it harder for beginners to learn. Usually there is a 2 for 1. Every two clicks in on compression, go one out faster on rebound. Also vice versa. 2 out on compression, one in on rebound. This will be in written version this week on my website.
Cheers Keef-diggy! Post up anything you consider helpful. -S.
Kris, I don’t have a Kawasaki… could you please do a video like this for a Husqvarna? By the way, I have a Two-Stroke if that makes a difference. Thank You!
@brap10151
Ай бұрын
Yeah Kris. Go out and buy every brand bike 4 stroke and 2 strokes and do a video on each so teeniorcitizen8537 can understand… serious mate?
@davidmoore_723
Ай бұрын
Same rules apply regardless of motorcycle or more importantly suspension brand.
@teeniorcitizen8537
Ай бұрын
@@davidmoore_723 Thanks, but I have a Two-Stroke. I’ve emailed Kris and I’m sure he’ll get back to me.
@jakerivets2249
Ай бұрын
🤣
@jakerivets2249
Ай бұрын
@@teeniorcitizen8537 🤣
🤟🤟
I though if your on 1 on rebound per say,that’s the fastest the fork will shoot back up. Is that wrong?
@Keeferinctesting
Ай бұрын
1 means, 1 out. That is slow.
What would you recommend for a 2023 yzf250 hardback conditions intermediate level rider. Clicker wise
@jdc9128
18 күн бұрын
I have same bike in same conditions , what weight are you ?
@joshb692009
18 күн бұрын
I’m 70kg or 155 pounds, help would be appreciated
@joshb692009
18 күн бұрын
I’ve had my springs changed I just need clicker settings. Thanks
@jdc9128
18 күн бұрын
4.2 springs front and 48 for rear for your weight ? Set sag and clickers in stock settings then work from there , hard to say clickers as it's down to the day on the track and your speed , see how stock feels ,maybe need to speed up rebound a little to account for small chattery bumps
@joshb692009
18 күн бұрын
4.6 on the front which is stock and I’ve got a 45 n k-tech spring on the rear. I feel like the front is good. Yesterday I was riding a very hard pack track braking and accelerating bumps. And I was feeling a lot of chatter when going hard in and out of corners. 👍🏽
Are you from Pittsburgh I went to school with a Chris Keefer
@Keeferinctesting
Ай бұрын
No, sir.
How sensitive are clickers on WP components?
@Keeferinctesting
Ай бұрын
One click at a time. Fairly sensitive.
Is that Matthes humble abode?
@Keeferinctesting
Ай бұрын
Sir, Matthes place is much bigger and better than this place. 😂
Always hear you refer to high speed as ride height . But doesnt low speed control pitching and squatting considering these are low shaft speed movements and the high speed is for taking hits and bumps/ hard edge stuff. Low speed is what i use to control ride height on mtn bikes
@Keeferinctesting
Ай бұрын
In the world of dirt bikes, HSC actually affects ride height on/off throttle more than LSC. LSC can control some on throttle damping characteristics, of course but HSC affects the bike more statically. I’m not a suspension tech, I’m just a test guy that gives those other guys feedback. Most suspension techs will agree if you don’t want to mess with your sag, HSC can help balance of bike on/off throttle.
Thanks! Is that what $70k/year house looks like? I'm definitely doing something wrong..
@Keeferinctesting
Ай бұрын
High Dez 70K is different than most. 😝
@h20mxracer222
Ай бұрын
@@Keeferinctesting Beautiful area and home. Impressive.