"I've never had a _male_ friend act like Guy before" Lmao.

@DonaldJoeKennedy

9 күн бұрын

Lol, I loved that part too. And all us guys can relate. Guys don't do that shite to other guys. But girls do it to us pretty much routinely.

Sorry to hear all your efforts ultimately are a loss. Stay tough you seem like a good dude

@danmarinelli2451

12 күн бұрын

I ordered a knife about a year ago when they had all these video about how good they were doing and that orders would fly out the door. Money gone for good. I feel bad for other like my self. Also love the videos neeves

@HeavySetTactical409

12 күн бұрын

Hey man huge fan of your channel have watched so many of your videos. Thanks for reaching out I appreciate the kind words. It was a sad situation for sure.

@NeevesKnives

12 күн бұрын

@@HeavySetTactical409 👊

@NeevesKnives

12 күн бұрын

@danmarinelli2451 thank u and sucks what's happened but I think Heavyset still has a long journey and possibly career in the knife community

As one of those 3500 people who is out $460 for a GSO-12 order since 2021, it makes me f&%kn furious to think while I have been patiently supporting survive! my blank has been sitting there on a pallet all this time awaiting finishing and shipping. Thank you for finally sharing some transparency, now I have to figure how to tell my son, who keeps thinking we're going to get to try it out on our next camping adventure...😭

@EarlyMist

12 күн бұрын

Just get another knife mate. Seems I have lost $2500....

@Neil_MacGregor

11 күн бұрын

@@EarlyMist Holy s&#t, I'm sorry mate - that's unbelievable.

@thewrathofraf

9 күн бұрын

I feel that. Also have a GSO12 on order since Sept 2021. Shortly after ordered a few others. Out about $1100 over this whole thing.

@auroraborealisknives4019

6 күн бұрын

Suggestion: look at Worktuff they make awesome big knives

@silentstryker1590

4 күн бұрын

@Neil_MacGregor Yeah, that's a real disappointment. You folks that have pre-orders outta sue.

I have a GSO 12 and 5.1 pending. It’s not so much about the lost funds. The part that’s hard is the over 5 years of waiting to get the knives and being patient and understanding of the process. Too bad. At this point I would be willing to accept any of the knives that might be available. This is a sad day.

I work as a process engineer, I knew their manufacturing processes not developed well for scalability, as guy seemed to treat routine process development challenges as show stoppers. But Damn, having one person do 80% of the work and not training anyone else is worse than I could have imagined. I work making prototypes and developing manufacturing processes, the first thing you want to do when scaling production is making it as easy as possible for someone who isn’t you to do it.

Although extremely sad, none of this should be particularly surprising to anyone who has been following along for years. Thank you for giving us a glimpse into what has actually been going wrong. Also than you for getting an edc4 in my hand- I'm sure it wouldn't have happened before the implosion of you hadn't been there. Fortunately the only pre-order I have open is a necker 2. Sad I'll never get it, looks like an outstanding design. Thanks man!

I have a feeling Guy’s whole life has been built on empty promises… good on you for finally proving what we all knew

Who the hell gives a shit about about 0.001 (one thousandth) on a knife that you pay 250 bucks for. Come on its bullshit. I am a machinist, its a knife. My benchmade knives are very good and they are mass produced, fully functional and have stellar warranty. Survive knives particullarly Guy is /was/always a flake and a scam for taking preorders knowing it was bullshit

@JoshSweet

12 күн бұрын

If you like Benchmade, they have a lot of knives for $250+….

@seppukusushi2848

10 күн бұрын

I really have a personal vendetta against Guy...because I never received my VENDETTA KNIVES!

@SuperSteelSteve

9 күн бұрын

Nobody gives a shit about 0.001" on ANY FIXED BLADE regardless of price point It's a cop out.

When you say that other people from Guy's past tried to warn you what would happen, it makes him look like a con artist.

@JustinDeLeon-sj1xr

4 күн бұрын

HST was willing to get in bed with a con artist because he thought $75k would buy his way into the community....haha instead he got blackballed. He could have bought Alibaba knives and been better off.

@silentstryker1590

4 күн бұрын

@JustinDeLeon-sj1xr Oh man, no kidding.

A fellow Alex Dron enjoyer! Excellent. Survive always seemed very unsustainable. They really needed to stop taking orders cos that was what was causing the constant negative noise about them. Survive fans had a harder time than Sonic the Hedgehog fans in the last 10 years with all their constantly dashed hopes.

@HeavySetTactical409

12 күн бұрын

Dude I am your biggest fan my friend. I saw you review alex drons knives and it made me find him actually. I am so appreciative to have seen your comment pop up man. Again I have watched your channel religiously. Seen every video from the beginning man! Thanks alot. And yes dude sonics been through the ringer lol

@HeavySetTactical409

12 күн бұрын

Also brothet I got an Al Mar folder cause of your cool video on them. I love it the vg has stayed pretty tough along the way.

@charlessalmond7076

8 күн бұрын

Al Mar, two men of exquisite taste i see! Good day gentlemen!

@topfueljunkie100

8 күн бұрын

SAME! I'd never have known about Alex Dron had Pete not mentioned him. Looking forward to getting something from him at some point when his books are opened.

A famous knife maker I know told me "the hardest knife to make is one that's already been paid for". I know of several excellent knife makers that screwed their businesses and customers. Sorry you learned the hard way, you appear to be a virtuous man. This shall pass and you'll laugh over it soon enough. Good video!

@Primitivebearknives

13 күн бұрын

This is very true, to be honest

@michiganprotection

13 күн бұрын

I am a custom knife maker and I was told that in the beginning. I won’t take money up Front for those reasons. I never owe anyone and I’m honest

@LuisGonzalez-gl4wc

12 күн бұрын

@@michiganprotection Good input. I bought a knife from a custom knife maker that told me that he was making a knife and told me the price after it was done and when it was done, he offered me the blade and I bought it. He didn’t ask me for money upfront

@CedricAda

12 күн бұрын

This is timeless advice, and shoud be any artists main policy

@joemisak7925

12 күн бұрын

That goes for anything

Whoever had the idea of selling and continuing to sell so many pre-orders is a criminal.

@joncox9719

10 күн бұрын

You are SO RIGHT! The fact that he TOOK their Pre-order payment in full, and KNEW his company was on shakey ground, he was criminal in his actions KNOWING there was little if any chance of delivering on his promise, that is where the "Criminal FRAUD" took place! Also, I'm sure he easily owes "Just a WAG, Wild Arse Guess" $50,000 - $100,000 or MORE in knives to the customers who PAID in FULL and had no intent on being able to deliver, he KNEW his financial situation FULLY and was somehow hoping to pull a Rabbit Out Of His HAT to make good on his promise to deliver which never happened! He KNEW there was NO WAY he could fullfill the orders, but took the money anyway! That "to me" was Criminal Fraud, don't know any other way to put it. SO, I have no pity on him! Just like these CEO's who went to prison for running Ponzi Sheme's like "Worldcom, Bernie Mafdoff" and others. Survive Knives WAS a Ponzi Scheme and ton's of people got ripped off. Just stating the facts, I'm no expert, but sure appears that way to me! 👍👍😡😡🤬🤬

@1804unclesam

9 күн бұрын

He had to, he was broke. That’s what con men do, use today’s order to pay for yesterday’s product.

@llamawizard

9 күн бұрын

@@1804unclesam Madoffesque scheme

@johnemmons8306

Күн бұрын

So are the shills and “influencers” that supported the other criminal.

Sorry if i ever doubted you brother! You're a good man! Just re-subbed!! Your words of honesty are well worth my lost knife!! 😎👍

Man that’s some sad news. I hope you can get over that devastating experience

@IndomnitableForceofNature

Күн бұрын

I'll never get my GSO-12 but I just received the WTG Kodiak, I am really impressed!!!

@auroraborealisknives4019

Күн бұрын

@@IndomnitableForceofNature that’s good news 👍

This is totally Guys fault.

@JustinDeLeon-sj1xr

4 күн бұрын

Glad HST could shill for a couple months...Guy needed Asia backpacking funds. Thanks HST!

Thanks for letting us know and for doing all you could to help!

THANK YOU, Jon. This was not easy and it showed, but RESPECT for your sincerity and transparency. I wish you well. I believe you tried to do right by an American product that was worthy of pride and saving. Too bad it was not meant to be. Knife lovers have a brother in you.

hey man, I think it’s stand-up for you to be so transparent about your experience there. I’m sorry this created so much pain. Although I suspect my Magna cut video was not super popular over there, I really did want to see survive succeed and turn it around. I’m sorry you had to be the one to deliver that news. Best of luck, and hoping for better days ahead for you.

@georgecook5120

12 күн бұрын

@Creelyblade, Guy says he is looking for someone to take his existing stock and partner with him to get the orders done. I'm not sure what the value proposition is for you, but follow up with him and see if you help get these people their knives; if you're game for such a thing.

@cobaltoctober

12 күн бұрын

@@georgecook5120 It would be great to get my knives. I don't have $5.000 in it, but I have a 5.1 and 4.5 scandi bushcraft that it looks like I'll never see.

@Creelyblades

12 күн бұрын

@@georgecook5120 That would be a pretty challenging business proposition. There’s no capital available to to finish out 4000 Knives. For a relatively small company the scope of that backlog is staggering. They owe customers about $1 million in knives, and that’s at their prices, in reality if I were to make those knives at that level, I would be charging 50% more, so then we’re talking about one and a half million dollars in knives that are outstanding. with all that said there is a piece of me that would like to be able to step in and make thosepeople whole, but that is just out of reach for me.

@georgecook5120

12 күн бұрын

@@Creelyblades Fair enough. Thanks!

@Chamdar17

11 күн бұрын

Thank you for this. Unless a company utilizes Chinese manufacturing/finishing for lower cost, I don't see this happening. As patriotic as I am, and on July 4th no less, having a company buy out the orders and finish them in China at one of the higher end facilities and get them out to customers might be the only way to fulfill those preorders, but a Chinese-made knife isn't what folk were buying into.

Im all for mental health but at a certain point Guy kept taking in preorders on knives he had knew he couldn't produce. It also seems like he wanted to blame everyone but himself. Why be chronically online and in forums if you are going to change anything or make it better? Im sorry to see you lose in this but this is no one faults but his. He is a monster of his own making. Ending it the way he did without trying to make to make it right or even talking to anyone is just highway robbery. People would absolutely take blanks to finish by other makers but instead he served only himself.

@junglejay77

11 күн бұрын

@@HappyWifeHappyKnife has anyone used the words “criminal” and “prison” yet? Guy hinted that the State is now yanking his chain, so I wonder if the handcuffs will come out at some point.

Just watched Guy’s LAME video on Survive’s KZread Channel, what a lame video blaming their failure all on the Magnacut issues! LIE and DENY! Still in denial, it was 100% the steel makers fault! When nothing changes, nothing changes!

It sounds like it was 100% Guy’s fault….

@JustinDeLeon-sj1xr

10 күн бұрын

Hahah 50% mental health...and Guy is a savant. Lots of BS, Guy is a con artist and Jon thought $75k could buy his way into an industry haha. Buying in through a company with horrible track record haha. What a mess.

Thanks for your honesty. I’m so sorry you and so many others in the community had to go through this.!

Bro, thank you for this and thank you for what you tried doing there and helping so many people actually get a knife. I know if you could have made it possible, everyone with an order would have received their orders.

Thank you for letting us know why we will not receive our knives. Hope you bounce back! Keep being a good person.

Jon, thanks for giving this a shot. The best is yet to come.

Soooooo that new CNC machine you own, can I barrow it?!

@HeavySetTactical409

12 күн бұрын

Hahaha I spld her to get some money back brother!

Is there anyone interested in a class action law suit against Survive knives for all the time and money lost to its customer base ?

@chiefsmakahoe0444

Күн бұрын

Won’t do shit when he doesn’t have the cash he’ll be able to get around giving every lively dime he’ll make until it’s paid in full you’ll never see much money maybe get him thrown in jail a few times about it

Takes ballz to say what many of us suspected…..saying that.. fight for your piece of that company in materials. There is plenty of us home makers that would buy blanks to help…it would save us some time of stock removal and make some knives with a story for friends and family. Don’t give up on that 30K bro…you got good steel …we can grind, heat treat and make handles …we do it anyway why not sell us the material.

Thanks for the update as some things are just a time bomb with a long wick and eventually you have to pay the piper....Good stuff....

I'm surprised Survive did not get a shop manager involved. Maybe Guy wanted to have everything under control? I just want my knife, I even said just put a blade hardware and scales in a box and ship it and I will put it together myself.

@EDCandLace

12 күн бұрын

The sole problem, someone wanted to maintain control that wasn't capable of standing at the helm. Pretty much ego, you can lead a horse to water butttt... you know the rest.

@junglejay77

11 күн бұрын

@@Cid_1 eventually, a shop manager would have been constantly telling Guy to “GET BACK TO WORK!” 😂 Not the kind of employee a consummate flake would have kept around for long. Same reason Guy could probably not maintain any kind of partnership or co-investment for very long. That sure was an expensive way to find this out for Jon and his father. It makes me wonder what else we may never hear regarding whatever relationships Guy left behind when he left Idaho. It certainly provides a fresh perspective on the way Peter’s HT, Niagara, CPM and others likely experienced the whole Magnacut drama…

Thanks for putting out this video I ordered a 5.1 in magnacut on 9/22 and now ill do more research BEFORE I pre-order anything again thanks for the info

I was excited for the Vendetta line and placed 2 preorders because I thought things were turning around (a couple years ago). Probably about 6-9 months ago, I stopped expecting anything because his videos always ended with "stay tuned, we have a lot more exciting things coming" but it felt like no progress on preorders was made. Thank you for shedding light and, unfortunately, confirming what a lot of us expected to hear about how things were ran. Sorry to hear about how you were treated and I for one don't place any of the blame on you.

Thanks Jon Also thanks for the order it got recently, without you i wouldn't have got nothing! I assume my 5.1 will never come

Well I guess I'm never getting my knife. I had hope they might finally get things turned around. Thanks for posting this.

@EarlyMist

12 күн бұрын

I've had $2500 worth outstanding for four and a half years. Refunds promised overba year ago but been ghosted since....

Famous movie quote (slight alteration), "I don't think Survive means what you think it does..." I am so glad BladeForums warned me 2 years ago not to order from Guy. This is my first time watching one of your videos, because I really wanted to know what was really happening over there - it's as bad as we all expected. Guy's behavior leads to another famous quote, "Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into."" - Guy at Survive

Appreciate the insight. It doesn’t sound easy for you to talk about it. Thank you 🙏

@HeavySetTactical409

13 күн бұрын

Of course man. Thanks for watching.

Thanks for sharing this & be well

@HeavySetTactical409

13 күн бұрын

Thank you man

I guess I can finally give up on getting my 5.1 in Magnacut, at least Reiff has their F6 in Magnacut now so i can save up for that. Appreciate the news

@Minuteman777

13 күн бұрын

The Reiff F6 in Magnacut is a beautiful thing. It is worth saving for.

@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors

12 күн бұрын

That mangacut f6 is amazing!

Thanks for this video man. It sucks knowing that I'll never get the tool I ordered, or the cash I put down on it but I respect that you had the grit to lay it all out honestly like you did. I had been holding on to hope that the company would turn it around and that those knives would be as good as they were said to be, but by the time I knew things were busted, it was too far gone to pull out my cash. I love knives so much, and I know you do too. All the best to you moving forward. Hopefully people recognize that you're not the bad guy in all this. At best this is a shitty situation for all involved, but I can only imagine how much more fucked up it was to be there in that shit storm. Good luck to you and thanks again for the honesty in this video.

guy should lay off the powder

I'm sorry this all happened to you man. You seem like a stand up and transparent dude. It sounds like you did everything you could. One man can't change 10 years worth of mistakes that you aren't responsible for. You are also one of survives victims. Best of luck to you moving forward. Sending good thoughts your way 🤝

Thank you for getting me my EDC4. Sounds like I would have never got it without you.

I guess I have to write off $300 and swallow a huge disappointment, and I was rooting for a turnaround when I placed my pre-order :(

@MRGoods89

12 күн бұрын

Same here. That vendetta 7 looked sweet. A knife I'll never have and a $300 I'll never get back.

@danmarinelli2451

12 күн бұрын

Same idk why I ever believed guy.

Thank you for posting this! I’m so annoyed by this situation because it’s exactly what I expected! I’ve been waiting for close three years for the two remaining blades of my 4 preorders! I also seen that other folks received their Magnacut GSO 4.7 and GSO 5.1 recently after only waiting 7 or 8 months! Sooo pissed! I’m also annoyed at What’s the point edc for promoting this company and funneling more unsuspecting customers to Survive while mocking us customers who voiced our problems in the comments! Survive was always operated like a pyramid scheme and Guy was whining about predatory lending while wasting our hard earned preorder dollars!!! I’m one of the 3,500 who is out but thank you for being “clear and transparent”, unfortunately Guy never was! Sorry if you’re out on your funds too, sir! I still wish Guy and all those working with him health and the best but this suuuuks!!!!

I don't know a lot about the situation, and I've only followed tangentially, but I lived through the exact same thing with a different manufacturer in another field and I feel your pain so much. I'm lucky that I didn't have a financial stake. It sounds like a severe case of founder's syndrome mixed with other issues I'm not qualified to diagnose. It's all too familiar: the not existing to them once you aren't useful, the warnings from other people about getting involved, shady business/personal financials they won't disclose, an endless marketing push to hide the underlying issues. I had to switch career fields after that for my own mental health. I'm sorry that you're going through all this. Hopefully getting it out there publicly gives you some peace of your own

Guy is a criminal. I tried to warn people on FB and was chastised..

Excellent video John.

I’m someone who will never see their order. Mad respect for posting this. This is the kind of transparency Guy always touted but never delivered on. Thanks for having some integrity. I do have to ask though, how much of the Magnacut conspiracy was Guy’s obsession and how much of it was a legitimate crippling production/materials issue?

@WhispyWoods.

13 күн бұрын

That’s what I was wondering!

@AndrewSmith-jo5vi

13 күн бұрын

What did the independent lab reports say?

@Mrarmageddon8

13 күн бұрын

@@AndrewSmith-jo5vithe thing about the lab report is that Guy could’ve just sent his worst samples in. He created narrative where he made it seem like Magnacut was a completely unreliable material and nearly impossible to do mass production with. I think this video mentioning how hyper focused Guy became with certain things explains a lot. I am willing to bet Guy spent that period figuring out his blame narrative and making the social media rounds over making knives or seeing how many of the Magnacut were actually affected.

@AndrewSmith-jo5vi

13 күн бұрын

@@Mrarmageddon8 I apologize that my sarcasm was not clear in my response. Guy claimed to have sent samples to 3 different labs. Unless I missed it, no lab reports were ever presented. Is it possible that he sent his worst samples? Sure. Is it possible that he never sent any samples? Sure. Is it possible that the material claims were just “claims” in a long line of previous blame game activities? Sure. Magnacut is my personal favorite steel. I own knives from Bradford, Kershaw, CRK, Spartan, AK Knives, and even Bestech in MagnaCut. It is Crucible’s highest volume grade right now. Does anyone for a second think any of these companies would tolerate, let alone be able to afford, the 20% fallout Guy reported? Wait, those companies don’t have Guy’s strict quality standards (per Guy). Perhaps my sarcasm will do better the second time around.

@SuperSteelSteve

13 күн бұрын

​@@Mrarmageddon8 Niagara offered to pay him $100 per blank that had the "voids". He said it was 20% of his batch, which was roughly 150 knives. 150 knives + $100 a knife= $15,000. That's where he got his claim of $15,000 "hush money " claim Guy refused to send the affected blades and demanded Niagara pay for the entire batch. This is where guy made videos blaming Niagaras normalization process for Peter's supposedly sending the blades back with decarb and excessive warping.

I was able to get 2 Survive Knives and they are great. I wish they could keep going. Good video, I did not hear any bashing from you in it. Just a bad deal all around. Thanks

After a bunch of emails over years I gave up hope so I’m very lucky to get a knife I ordered in 2021 just over a month or so ago. It is a very well built knife. Back in the day anyone who had preordered a knife not knowing about the company learned very quickly they had no idea how to run a business and actually thought it was a big scam. I hope the best for those who are still out money. I know how it feels. Shitty.

Wow thats a bad story bro I watch you but im not really into fixed blade and you are you seem like a good dude all the best im still subbed 👍

Im so glad i went with an Architect knife and saved my money. Peter's heat Treat 3V and you actually get a knife 😂

Appreciate this video. Answers a lot of questions. I've got about $1100 worth of preorders in that I guess I will never see. Every time Guy would post a video I would just think dude...we don't want videos, we want knives.

I understand how you feel man. I have 2 knives that have been on order for 2 years. I doubt I'll ever see them. Thanks for your efforts to save a great knife. Sad it wasn't better managed.

Thanks for making this.

Hope people can appreciate everything you put into getting orders finished. Wish mine would have made it out but glad I only had one.

9 preorders lost, shame on me for believing till the end..

@blackforestoutdoor9861

13 күн бұрын

Man!

@greencanopybushcraftsurviv6713

12 күн бұрын

Feel sorry for you bro. I have lost two, and 500 dollars poorer because of it. 😢

Thank you for the update and sorry to hear the toll this has taken on you personally. I received 5 out of the 9 I ordered and they are some of my absolute knives. Thank you for your efforts. I was really looking forward to getting the edc 5, my absolute favorite of the designs. I hope he can sell the design or someone is able to take over production. Hopefully time will get you out of any of the fallout. I went on a tour of the shop with Guy and Ellie and found them to be very personable and likable. I wish them and you the best for the future. Now if only I could get Edgeworks to sell me that 5.5 sample they have😏.

you know what thank you for your hard work and filling those pre-orders and bringing closure to people who have been hanging on to this company

It was about 15 years ago I started buying blades from Jerry and Dan Busse. They would put a blade up for sale and take it down a couple days or sometimes a few hours later. I would be pissed! But they always delivered and never over extended. They knew how many they wanted to sell and then... that's all folks.

The fact that people are sympathizing here instead of asking why this guy isn’t trying to putting money back in your hands is troubling.

@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors

12 күн бұрын

Guy has no money

@Mrsky-sr7xu

12 күн бұрын

I’m not referring to just Guy. Everyone involved. Start selling assets, or whatever else. That demonstrates remorse.

@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors

12 күн бұрын

@Mrsky-sr7xu he did sell assets- I 1000% doubt a single cent will go into customers pockets. However if that was his move I would respect that.

@Mrsky-sr7xu

11 күн бұрын

@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors Guy and anyone else who willfully chose to promote preorders and act as though they were still in a position to fulfill orders is a low life. Apology or not, this guy knew the situation once he became embedded into the business. He should’ve announced the troubles as soon as he recognized that they weren’t able to fulfill. Not now after he’s left with no other option. Classic case of being caught, not owning up to it like a lot of these comments suggest.

@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors

11 күн бұрын

@Mrsky-sr7xu it's weird to either be, or act like you are so delusional as to believe that. Jon never promoted pre orders. I don't know a single person who did. Jon very obviously didn't know the situation when he became embedded, he was lied to, and he worked his ass off to help people as much as he could and was motived to put his money and sweat on the table to fix things- then decided to do as much as could be done. The trolls of Survive did more to promote pre orders than Jon or any youtuber ever has by making every single shred of Survive content have a viral hit by pumping the algorithm.

thanks for the info and good luck to you. Personally annoyed by the way things have been handled but having a 2 year old preorder never really expected anything to ever be delivered after the magnacut excuses started.

I appreciate this video on so many levels. And now know after nearly three years I won’t be getting my GSO 5.1. After all of the nonsense I really wanted this simple knife anyway. Thank you for trying.

I sent Scab all my Survive knives to review and was waiting on 2 more pre-orders that I kinda wrote off but I'll be fine. Hope Guy gets some help.

@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors

12 күн бұрын

Props to you for being a community asset!

Damn - you have my sympathies, man. This is saddening to hear, but I’m grateful for the honesty. I’ve been a fan of Survive since 2015 and have been supportive of them on social media ever since. I have that same final GSO 6 in G10 handles, one older 4.1 and one small Magnacut 2.5. They’re the absolute finest pieces of knife craftsmanship I’ve ever seen, and I too believe that Guy is an autistic-level artist when it comes to design and finishing. The level of burn-out you describe is frightening, though. I wish all the best to you and Ellie, and hope Guy finds sone peace as well.

You’re the man heavy set and a good person. Sorry what happened

"Pivoting" new company name... did not survive knives

Whats going on? I have $2500 of knives I have been waiting over four years for. Have I lost my money? Not to be selfish but thats all I care about. I have been promised the knives for years, more recently about a year ago I was offered refund, but after about four promises since I have been ghosted. I guess I say goodbye to that idea now? Thanks for the headsup. So sad really. Edit Note: this situation essentially results in the OUTRIGHT THEFT of my hard earned money and it FKN pisses me off. I am i Australia to so there is JACK I can do about it!!!!

@1804unclesam

11 күн бұрын

Pretty much! Good luck getting anything. If he’s truly as broke as is mentioned in this video and guy’s video on his channel, he is liquidating everything to pay off creditors before his state AG files charges for fraud.

@LukeEdwardes

10 күн бұрын

Brother same here! I only bought 2 knives and I also live in Australia. Feel your pain man. Guy is a scam artist and I hope he goes to jail

@EarlyMist

10 күн бұрын

Hi Mate. I am going to have to agree with that after some thought. If he declares Bankruptcy that's one thing.... But if he keeps on moving without making things right then yes , indeed that amounts to quite large scale theft of our money abd all the others who trusted the 'Guy'. I have SO many other things to focus on, getting my own House in order (everything). But every time I come back to this situation I will not give up on spreading the TRUTH that I have suspected for years, but was just speculation until now. Now we have the eventuality of the facts from.EVERYONE but Guy. The response video seemed to me very much like covering arse, not anywhere a heartfelt 'Guys, I know what's going on etc". I couldn't watch more than 1 minute of it...I could feel the deciet and lack of owning up coming through the screen. yet we can do something by not letting it go. But NOT letting it distract from our real true purpose...which is t9 get on with life the best way we know how 💪👍🙏

@EarlyMist

10 күн бұрын

Sorry for typos, written on the move and no time to edit 😂

@LukeEdwardes

10 күн бұрын

@@EarlyMist true mate! Don’t let his deceit fester in you, that means he wins. People like him get what they deserve and he won’t be able to outrun all the people he has screwed over. Hopefully the American justice system will take care of him and do the right thing. If he was in Australia, he would have another thing coming for him. Keep your head up mate! Sucks and although I didn’t have as much as you in on his lies, it feels good knowing there is someone else that knows how I am feeling in Australia. Cheers mate and wish you well

I absolutely love there Knives but refuse to do business with the company. I got in EARLY with buying the knives that I had, I had number 38 of the first run of the 5.1 I bought a few more models back when the waiting list was truly only 60 days and I had no problem getting the knives in on time. I started seeing the complaints the more the knives grew in popularity. It is absolutely unacceptable for a customer to wait 5 years on a knife. I gave one of my early 5.1 models as a wedding gift to a good friend of mine that got married last year. We grabbed some lunch 2 months ago and we got to talking about knives and showing him my newest EDC and the conversation went to Survive knives. I told him about how survive has orders 5 years plus not being filled and that people have such a hard time getting refunds and just the general complaints. My friend is a lawyer but he mostly practices family law but he said that he would love to litigate a lawsuit against a company with those business practices. He did ask me if I had any outstanding orders with them and I told him that I stopped buying from them years ago, he asked because he offered to get involved regarding any outstanding orders. He didn’t express any real interest at all in taking any action against Survive but just inferring that lawsuits like that are a pretty easy case. He was not a customer of Survive, and has no reason to want to pursue anything. It honestly wasn’t a long conversation at all about Survive just a minute or so talking about it. He had always admired my 5.1 and I gifted it to him and he asked me if I planned to buy anything else from them and that’s when I told him how shady the company has been with not filling orders and etc..He then told me about being a part of a few cases that had companies that were similar in failing the customer. Keep this in mind that when he and I glanced this topic, Survive wasn’t being the topic of shutting down, Survive was still taking orders and business as usual with nothing being discussed about the company’s financial problems. I only brought the small talk that we had because of hearing about Survive troubles earlier today and it was then that I remembered the quick conversation that we had. I made a quick edit to this post so if anyone reads this they don’t think that a lawyer is champing at the bit to file class action.

@JonJon-ey8ns

13 күн бұрын

That may have worked a couple of years ago,but not now, you can’t get blood out of a turnip as they say. The Company and the owner are completely broke, so what good is an attorney now? You would spend 10 X the cost of a knife for an attorney and still not get a refund or your knife. Just my 2 cents worth. But any legal action now at this point would be a complete waste of your hard earned money. 😪

@bellwitch007

13 күн бұрын

@@JonJon-ey8ns I made an edit to the post to be a bit more clear. We never really talked about him pursuing anything and nor did I ask him to look into the company. It was just small talk at the time and upon hearing the troubles earlier today about Survive then it had me remembering our quick conversation. You are 100% correct about it being a waste of time for anyone to spend money on attorney fees and etc now that it’s pretty much public that they are or have shut down.

I told people 5 plus years ago that I felt like Guy was the best thing and worst thing for getting knives out.

I remember watching a Survive video a year or more ago where delays were blamed on heat treating errors by a 3rd party. The video promised Survive knives would be delivered. I knew then that it was bullsh*t. I was so glad that I never pre-ordered a Survive knife.

If you did a pre-order from Survive I'd highly recommend filing a claim through your bank account that it was a fraudulent charge. Most banks will take care of it. But I'd do it before he files bankruptcy.

@christurnerct49

12 күн бұрын

First bit of intelligence I’ve seen on these comments

@EarlyMist

12 күн бұрын

Even if the preorder was from over 4.5 years ago??

@arrowheadguys7637

12 күн бұрын

@@EarlyMist it's worth a shot.

@christurnerct49

12 күн бұрын

@@EarlyMist omg is it that long

@drunknnirish

12 күн бұрын

This is what everyone with an outstanding order should be doing or have done in the past. Its exactly what I did at the six month mark and I was refunded by the credit card company.

Hey just wanna say that after many many emails to Guy, I appreciate you were able to actually get me an EDC 4 (in elmax instead) for an old preorder. Their communication was less then zero before that.

Unbelievable. All I wanted was a GSO 12 and a GSO 8, I had no idea the company was at this level of peril and mismanagement. Thanks for doing what you could. I would even buy my blanks and try finishing/assembling myself.

Much respect for making this video. I feel really bad for the folks who will not receive the orders they paid for. Good on you for trying to help it’s very commendable.

Man… so close to getting a vandetta from my 2020 order lol

That's possibly the Delta - V GSO 6 that I cancelled years ago. It's a shame its come to this. I've owned a heap of SurviveKnives over the years, all arrived on time (within weeks sent to New Zealand) as they were in stock. The Necker II is the only one I've kept. Another shame is Ellie's situation. She studied in my home town in NZ and as it turned out was friends with friends of mine, never meet her yet they have mentioned how cool she was/is. being in business like Guy and Ellie were is damn difficult and so hard on relationships. Good video and impartial thoughts on the whole situation. Good on you!

Jon, thanks for the video. A few weeks ago, I gave Guy my number to call me if he wanted to talk and he called me. And I was very surprised he called me. He told me then it was over. One thing I agree with you is he is a phenomenal designer. I'm also very fortunate that all the knives I ordered, I received. And I feel badly for the people who have outstanding orders too. If you decide to make a part 2 video, could you talk about the whole MagnaCut debacle? I know you came there at the end of that, but I was always curious as to what caused all of those problems. I told Guy that I would pray for him, and since watching this video, I think I'll include you too; I hope you don't mind. Again, thanks for doing the right thing and letting everyone know. You'll get through this storm and come out the other side a better man. Take care.

I'm so sorry you had to deal with this personally or professionally. HOPEFULLY, you will NOT be seen as a "Survive guy who screwed everyone over". That would be utterly unfair. And thank you for your transparency in putting out this video! That being said... I cannot begin to tell you how badly I wanted a GSO 5.1. I never felt comfortable ordering one due to all the history, etc. since discovering Survive a few years back. I'm glad I'm not out any money, but I still want one of those knives! Lol. I can't imagine being one of those with thousands in pre-orders knowing finally "it ain't gonna happen"... Honest question to you and anyone else who may read this: what's a legitimate alternative to something like a GSO 5.1 in form and function? I'm looking at the Architect Field Buddy from The Knife Connection. Any thoughts? I wish you all the best now that you're done with Survive!

John, thank you sincerely for the transparent update, and more importantly for attempting to revitalize Survive by investing your time, mk ey, and effort. I am glad you are separating now from Survive before the next painful steps occur. I look forward to watching your great channel.

Damn I wanted my Vendetta! As I was writing that you said "it was like Colorado Springs", that's where I'm at. Is that where you're from?

Getting people or machines you trust to take over certain processes of the manufacturing is critical to putting out products consistently. If every step needs to be micromanaged by the same guy, it will never work out. If that one guy is gone nothing will get done.

Finally a fully transparent video on this topic. Way to stand strong and lay it out there. I have to say, though, Survive’s knives are VERY basic, not some savant-created wonder. Truly, how much “quality” goes into a flat saber ground knife, pre-blanked, CNC ground, with linerless CNC contoured scales and a blasted blade finish. Many of the finishing processes may have been specialized but the effort just doesn’t return on investment. Not to mention, the hard use marketing doesn’t match the obsession over perfection that comes with a fine piece of cutlery. No matter how much time goes in, the finish will not last with use. This sounds more like ego and stubbornness. I think taking a hard look at the finishing and finding more efficient processes could have gone a long way. It sounds like Guy’s autism or maybe OCD got in the way of progress and he didn’t have the ability to prioritize anything different from what he had already determined was best. Yes, they’re good knives at a good price point with excellent heat treatments (Peters is the best in the world), and they use excellent steels, but they’re really not that special in the market. They’ve been elevated by scarcity if nothing else. If they were ubiquitous the hype would have faded whether they got pulled out of the mud or not.

I have been waiting a year for my 5.1. I was so excited to get this blade. Knowing that the blanks were in house unfinished blows my mind! Hopefully Visa will give me my money back.

Damn. That hurts to hear. I was rooting big time for Survive. I think it was you who contacted me to change my M390 EDC-4 order to Elmax (which turned out to be a better steel choice anyway). I love that knife and I really wanted Survive to succeed. I was hoping to bring a GSO-10 back into my collection. It was such an amazing large blade. I also had a design that I think would have been bad ass to have made by Survive. My heart breaks for Guy, Ellie, Mike, and you. I honestly still hope that some sort of miracle happens and things turn around and Survive goes big because America needs companies that show that USA made is still the undisputed absolute best and Survive's quality from what I've seen is astounding for a non-custom knife. Better than Bark River or LT Wright by a lot. I will keep you all in my prayers in hopes that things somehow work out because the GSO-10 will always have a special place in my heart as the large knife I most regret having sold and because I hate seeing my fellow American knife lovers end up where Survive is right now. If I had a ton of money, I'd pay off all of their debts just to see them rise. My deepest sympathies and prayers to all🙏

I am really sorry to hear about your situation. I hope the best for you, and I hope you can fight your way into the knife world. I am one of the orders that is going on nearly 2 years. We've emailed, called, and done so many things to get answers. I do not find this your fault whatsoever. Be well! It is such a shame, I was looking forward to such a nice, high quality knife.

Thank you for your HONESTY and straight forwardness! The TRUTH can be very painfull! I worked for a individual who had is own company and like Guy, you could NOT tell him anything! He was screwing up BIG TIME, not answering the phone when customers called, he hid behind his phone and email. He would underbid contracts just to get the job, losing big money in doing so, BUT, HE GOT THE CONTRACT and that's all that mattered to him! Then started drinking all day long, not waking up until 10:30 AM and start drinking again at 12:01! His reasoning was if you started drinking before 12 noon, you were an alcoholic! Haaaa! Like Guy, he ran it in the ground! So many similarities! Sorry you got ripped off, or your Dad did! What a shame! Survive is now religated to the dust bin of knife history! Sad! "Oh, and HIS problems were every one elses fault! Just like Guy!"

Eyyy, i love Colorado Springs also i was stationed there from 2001 to 2004 then started a small construction company after leaving the ARMY till eventually I had to come back home to NY but I've always known one day i will make it back out there for sure...

I’m out preorders for two EDC3, EDC2 and Necker II… bummer.

Dude you gave it your best. This is all a tragic situation and I’ll back you up anyway you need. I think you got much better things ahead.

Fellow Brothers of the Blades, I realize some comments I made towards Survive Knives and the owner, Guy were somewhat harsh, but true! Many just lost their money for knives they will never see, but Guy lost everything trying to fulfill his life long dream of being a leading knife maker, his wife, his home, his car, everything! It makes the few hundred dollars many lost seem like nothing compared to the sacrifices he made. One thing I have come to realize was that Guy is a Perfectionist when it comes to his quality of work, his knives ARE Perfection! But, instead of trying to reinvent the wheel and going through the school of hard knocks, he should have studied and learn from other people in the industry. The only knives I’ve seen and own that are in the same league is TRC Knives! Why he did not take the time to meet or simply talk with TRC and find out how THEY mass produce such high quality products in which they process in large quantities and still maintain their exact quality standards. I’ve NEVER heard or have seen a TRC product that was not “Perfection”, so it CAN be done! You should never feel intimidated or feel like he is stealing their processes, merely observe how they work, produce large quantities of knives without sacrificing quality. By not swallowing his pride and not learning from others, he went down with the ship, and the rest is history! But he got so caught up in micromanaging the production, he lost sight of what really counted and it bit him in the Arse big time. Hopefully, there one day may be the silver lining in this cloud and he can figure out how other comparable companies can mass produce their products while still maintaining the exacting standards he puts into every knife that leaves his shop. But when your pride and ego end up hurting you company, you might need to take a self inventory of you approach to knife making and learn from others, but I think that was his downfall, thinking his way was the ONLY way. Anyway, I hope this will encourage other aspiring knife makers not to be to proud to learn from others. This is a tragedy for everyone involved. Wish everyone a good week. 👍

@HappyWifeHappyKnife

12 күн бұрын

You absolutely should not feel sorry for him. He 100% did it to himself. The only people you should feel bad for are the people he used and the people he stole from knowing they weren't going to get the knives. He was takiing thousands of orders for knives knowing how few he made a week. There should absolutely be criminal repercussions for what he did.

@greencanopybushcraftsurviv6713

12 күн бұрын

Dude. You realise that a few hundred dollars to some people is a damn lot. Guy, brought it upon himself, and you are asking that we feel sorry for him?! I am in the process of starting my own knife business. It's called Imaginary Unicorn Knives. I am take pre-orders. 250 dollars per knife and only a delivery time of 1 day after tomorrow via Santa Claus Reindeer express or you can pick one up at the end of the rainbow. 😅

@JonJon-ey8ns

12 күн бұрын

@@HappyWifeHappyKnife I’m pretty sure with the evidence on hand, he may very well be facing Felony Fraud charges! He KNEW he was on a sinking ship, yet continued taking peoples money anyway! That’s where the criminality comes in! Does not take much to figure that out! And rightfully so, it was a Fraudulent Ponzi scheme!

@informedcitizen8687

12 күн бұрын

I have absolutely no sympathy for Guy! Everything that happened, he brought upon himself. He took orders he knew he could not fill. He should be held accountable and face criminal charges.

@JonJon-ey8ns

12 күн бұрын

@@informedcitizen8687 Due to the incredible amount of money he took in for orders he knew he could not fullfill, let’s say a ballpark figure of $50,000.00 “just a guess” but even if it were $20,000.00, that rises to Felony Criminal status. I’m sure by the time a DA there locally investigates the matter and examines his financial ledgers, he most likely will be facing Felony Fraud charges. There are a lot of pissed off buyers who were scammed and ripped off, and rightfully so! 🤬😡🤬

I have an open preorder on a Vendetta 4.5 tactical. Thought it would be a great investment... But i am really more devastated that the company is no more

Were people aware that Guy was arrested and charged with burglary and the sale of stolen firearms? In 1999, when he was 19, Guy broke into a hardware store in Gettysburg and stole 17 firearms and tried to sell them to friends and his Marine recruiter. He was caught in a police sting operation. You can find the news articles online. I don't know how the case was resolved or if he served time. It seems this mentality of thievery continues today with his business practices where he has taken customers' money and not provided merchandise in return. This company is just a a big fraud and ponzi scheme. I had no idea about the arrest!!

@Chamdar17

11 күн бұрын

Yes, it was known. You missed some details, including that he had worked at the store and that the owner tried to help him after the arrest. His record as a felon is actually a big part of how Survive! got into financial trouble since a lot of sources of lending for a business were thereby unavailable to him and he chose to experience predatory lending to try and keep afloat 😞😓😖

@KinetikES

8 күн бұрын

He doesn’t take responsibility for his actions and blames everyone around him. It’s a mental disorder. Typical narcissistic psychopath.

@zackally828

13 сағат бұрын

I find that very interesting, I visited the first Survive shop in Gettysburg in 2014. There was a topo map of Camp Lejuene hanging up, I asked about it since I was stationed there back when I was in and he said he was stationed there too so for all these years I thought he was a fellow Marine but obviously if he was a convicted felon he was either dishonorably discharged or never went in at all! What a lying scumbag he is.

Nice to know that my gso4.7 that I ordered a year and a half ago is just sitting there and I’ll never get it

I can understand both sides, i was standing on both sides - manly on the side guy was standing. Guys like this need help and they need to give a huge chunk of their business handled by capable people. Trust is a huge issue, which can be overcome by very very open communication, strict rules etc. In the end of course it's Guy's fault, because he is the boss. He had the final decision. If i could i would love to work together with Guy - but with very tight screws and extremely limited responsibility from Guy.

Jon great of you for sharing this and spending the time, new Sub for ya brother....would be great if they had a white knight come in to take the company over...there knives should stay in the market and people need to have orders full filled

@thepreppersbunkeroutdoors needs to apologize. A lot of people made orders based on his unfounded assessment that Survive was headed for its best days

@tdhgnm

9 күн бұрын

I wouldn't hold my breath. He doesn't seem too big on personal accountability.

@21_Cabbage_

9 күн бұрын

@@tdhgnm nah, he'll just blame "trolls on bladeforum" or something

@21_Cabbage_

8 күн бұрын

@@tdhgnm He's deleting any negative comments on his latest video and just pretending like he never shilled for Guy and Survive. Unreal.

I have 3 GSO knives and am one of those who pre-ordered a GSO 5.1 in MagnaCut, and this is sad news. I realize that I wont get my knife or a refund, but I still like their knives. But I do wish that Guy gets the mental help that he needs and deserves. Sounds like a wellness check needs to be done!

Guy wore sandles to work hahaha remove the sandles first hahahah

I dodge a bullet by never buying/preorder knives from them.. And I wanted...