Surface Pro 9, 1+ years later: Windows on ARM is ready to be your next computer

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Last year, my initial review of the ARM-based #Surface Pro 9 was mostly favorable. By 2023, #Windows on ARM had already progressed to a point where it was good enough to be the primary computer for the vast majority of folks who only use their laptops for browsing the internet, watching videos, and lite gaming. A year later, some pain points still exist for power users but there’ve been significant enough updates to give weight to #Microsoft’s new push for Windows on ARM.
Initial reviews:
- General usage: • Surface Pro 9 with 5G ...
- Local gaming: • Gaming on an ARM-based...
- Cloud gaming: • Cloud Gaming Over 5G w...
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Gameplay recording details
All gameplay was recorded using an Elgato 4K60 Pro inserted into a secondary computer. For ease of recording, the Surface Pro 9’s display was set to 1920x1080 and any gameplay shown below 60 fps was adjusted to 720p in-game (upscaled to 4K after the fact). Games were typically recorded back-to-back in 15 - 30 minute gameplay chunks. Performance described within the script was tested at closer to the Surface Pro 9’s native aspect ratio (where available) without adjusting the display’s resolution.
As might be obvious, sustained performance for more intense 3D games (e.g., Control and Shadow of the Tomb Raider) is likely to reduce over time due to the Pro 9’s lack of a fan. Performance reported in this video is meant to reflect the maximum raw performance of the SQ3 in spite of the Pro 9’s fanless design. For anyone interested, I have seen other Surface owners get additional performance by attaching external coolers to the back of the device.
Other gameplay performance to note
Here are some extra performance details for games which either didn’t make it into the script or I only got access to after recording the A-roll:
- Elden Ring: Fails to launch, reports incompatibility with the SQ3
- Hi-Fi Rush: Crashes after launch, reports incompatibility with the SQ3
- Penny’s Big Adventure: Crashes after launch
- Bioshock 2 (Remastered): Still has issues loading certain textures
- Cassette Beasts: Certain environmental textures load in incorrect orders
- Rayman Origins: Runs great!
- Cult of Lamb: Runs great!
- N64 emulation: Still can be a bit finicky, but I’ve had a few good gameplay sessions without issue.
- Witcher III (DirectX 12): Loads audio fine but fails to load gameplay
Chapters
00:00 Initial Review Recap
01:47 Performance Updates
03:42 Professional App Performance
06:38 Native Gaming
11:57 Emulation
13:35 Summary

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  • @thebluegeek1701
    @thebluegeek170126 күн бұрын

    so happy people like you exist. your review was really helpful

  • @7on
    @7on22 күн бұрын

    Figures. I just replaced my SPX I've owned since 2019 with an AMD computer. So you're welcome world. MS was waiting for me to personally abandon ARM before going all in.

  • @zeighy

    @zeighy

    5 күн бұрын

    To be fair, it wasn't quite ready around that time. Nobody would have judged you for making that decision, but personally I think it's good to at least have given it a try. But hey, it's about time to come back. :)

  • @pubgyoutube8567
    @pubgyoutube856723 күн бұрын

    witcher 3 working greatly my 8cx gen 2 I opened direct x 11-12 tried working greatly

  • @bruninrokk
    @bruninrokk26 күн бұрын

    Great video, hope to see arm based machines take place in desktop computers in the future so exited to that!

  • @adolfocorrea3569
    @adolfocorrea356922 күн бұрын

    what a great review! I'm looking answers on Heavy Excel, Power Bi and Visual Studio Code to decide on Pro 10 or Pro 11 ARM

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    21 күн бұрын

    If it helps, the Pro 11 should be faster than my Pro 9, and here's some extra details about each on my computer: VS Code is hard for me to comment on due to the number of different tasks it does. (I also mainly use it as a fancy text editor these days when working outside an IDE.) However, it is at least a native ARM64 app at this point which should be a good sign. For Excel, I just did some quick stress testing by opening an old large CSV file (containing all possible combinations of the Powerball lottery) I had from a previous project. Compared to older Intel-based laptops I've used, the file was a bit quicker to open to the Excel error explaining that the file was too large. Similarly, Excel didn't slow down once opening as much data as it could or creating a PivotTable based on that data (beyond an initial, small processing delay when it created the PivotTable). To take it a step further, I loaded the large file into Power Query twice, merged the tables, and grouped on a column with several calculations. The final data load was close to 1 GB and took around half an hour to load, which is maybe a touch faster than load times I've experienced with larger datasets on my work-assigned, i7-1165G7-equipped laptop. Most sane people probably wouldn't load this much data into Excel. But, if you do, RAM is still a limiting factor here. (Complex data tasks in Excel really appreciate 32+ GB.) The data load also hits all CPU cores at once, which leads to a ton of heat on my fanless computer and significant battery drain. (For me, that was about 30%.) Most of my testing was also done on battery in Performance mode. Even when the Pro 9 started to heat up, the CPU only marginally dipped below its 3.0 GHz base clock in Task Manager. All of which is likely to be good news if you're doing less intense tasks and don't plan to dock your Surface all day. As for Power BI, I don't have full access to Power BI through my personal computers. However, I loaded the same large file using the free Desktop version while Excel was still loading the file. I didn't apply a Power Query transformation here, but Power BI felt much quicker in general to load the data set. Of course, once it was loaded, visualizations were creatable and editable without any stuttering.

  • @robinrai4973
    @robinrai497326 күн бұрын

    nice, I look forward to competent snapdragon elite 2in1s, great coverage too btw I'm gonna stick with my latitude 9410 for now since despite x86 it gets 10-20 hours

  • @adammorra3813
    @adammorra381326 күн бұрын

    Very good and full comprehensive review. Not the right device for me but appreciate the pros and cons.

  • @lordneojacks
    @lordneojacks20 күн бұрын

    extremely useful

  • @BacAsable
    @BacAsable24 күн бұрын

    You did a great job here, if you like arm surface you should be very happy to see snapdragon X on Surface 11

  • @imjustabilly6660
    @imjustabilly666022 күн бұрын

    Is the Xbox app on ARM totally different from the x86 one? My old Razer with an Intel CPU still shows my Windows PC Xbox games in the Xbox app. Not just cloud gaming

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    21 күн бұрын

    At the moment, yes. On my device, only the Cloud Gaming section is available unless I download games I've purchased through the Microsoft Store. From how Microsoft has talked about the Pro 11, that seems like it might change in the near future. However, it's still unclear how many of the proposed Windows on ARM updates will make their way either the Surface Pro 9 or Surface Pro X (despite both being fairly capable machines).

  • @codecthelios
    @codecthelios22 күн бұрын

    does it run starfield ?

  • @ananon5771
    @ananon577128 күн бұрын

    Does linux run on these things? Also for videos, ive had a fair bit of luck with KDEN-live. it's a bit unstable and less powerful than the mainstream stuff, but it works well and you should be able to build it or get the normal windows version to run. For games, maturity is key, as a proton lover, the longer it exists, the closer to native it will be. You already kinda said it, but it bears repeating.

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    28 күн бұрын

    Just checked on Linux support. Windows Subsystem for Linux has ARM64 support out of the box, and I was able to install Ubuntu using it just now without an issue.Though I couldn't tell you what long term usage would look like or if there are any huge restrictions vs an x86 machine. Thanks for the video editor suggestion! I'll check it out and (if it works well) post a pinned comment letting other folks know it's an option.

  • @ananon5771

    @ananon5771

    28 күн бұрын

    @@GameXData WSL is cool, though not quite the same as normal linux (the why i will keep out to avoid loading you with useless info, unless you ask). And linux on ARM is actually great (asahi linux, despite being beta quality, is able to beat macOS on M series chips in many CPU loads), and Good OGL (and for some chips Vulkan) support, there are even ways to use proton with it, but i'm not sure how it is with the specific hardware. Thanks for the answer.

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    28 күн бұрын

    @ananon5771 I totally get ya. Figured I'd at least provide WSL confirmation since it was within reach at the time. I know I've at least seen folks swap Windows for Linux on Surface RTs in the past, but it's still something I haven't tried yet personally. Good to know Linux on ARM is doing well though! I haven't had much interaction with ARM-based distros outside my Raspberry Pi 4, but I'm definitely interested to see how performance pans out once Snapdragon X chips start hitting the market.

  • @QuangHaMinh-hg8vs

    @QuangHaMinh-hg8vs

    20 күн бұрын

    I've seen ppl literally recommending others to install linux on apple silicon machines, so I guess no problem for this case

  • @turbolenza35
    @turbolenza3515 күн бұрын

    Hello, is it possible to run games like Starfield?

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    15 күн бұрын

    No

  • @Raymanpfpgoeshard
    @Raymanpfpgoeshard27 күн бұрын

    I feel like the minusfourm V3 or the asus rog flow x13 and z13 are better alternatives. Especially for pricing. Though idk if it is as slim or its battery life is good, as i am broke, but from reveiwers,, it seems to run everything well, especially for the gaming side.

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    27 күн бұрын

    To be fair, they're also very different machines. The benefit of ARM-based machines tends to boil down to high battery life, mobile connectivity, and quiet operation. As far as I recall, ASUS' machines aren't the best for any of those factors.

  • @Raymanpfpgoeshard

    @Raymanpfpgoeshard

    27 күн бұрын

    @GameXData yeah, the asus is more meant for gaming so can't argue that.

  • @oo--7714

    @oo--7714

    23 күн бұрын

    The v3 won't have great battery life the 7840u/8840u is too power hungry​@@Raymanpfpgoeshard

  • @7on

    @7on

    22 күн бұрын

    @@GameXData AMD "can" get good battery life. You just can't be doing anything on them 🤣

  • @shubhamspatil
    @shubhamspatil14 күн бұрын

    Fallout 3 need a patch to work on non discrete GPUs. There is one availble on nexus mod.

  • @TheDivinepromise
    @TheDivinepromise23 күн бұрын

    If my printer can provide printer driver for it, yes I’m in.

  • @michaeldyer6378
    @michaeldyer637822 күн бұрын

    But what you said sounded like you spent 1600 dollars on a netbook.

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    22 күн бұрын

    You have a really skewed memory of netbooks if you think they have similar performance

  • @aaron1983
    @aaron198320 күн бұрын

    8:28 that's a big deal. No pc games for Xbox game pass on Surface Pro 11???

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    20 күн бұрын

    That's not what this video claims. There's currently no PC Game Pass on the Surface Pro 9 with 5G. Microsoft's marketing materials indicate it's likely to be enabled for the Pro 11. However, there's no way of knowing for sure until folks get their hands on it.

  • @tomershami1
    @tomershami122 күн бұрын

    just use apple silicon mac

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    22 күн бұрын

    I have an M1 Pro MacBook Pro. It's an entirely different machine with an entirely different use case.

  • @jakez6851
    @jakez685121 күн бұрын

    Windows 11 eww yuk. I’m sticking with a Linux ☺️

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