set play speed to 1.25 and thank me later lol

@Abstract180

4 жыл бұрын

Azog Defiler thanks bro

@gerardjachymiak5822

4 жыл бұрын

no thanks

@danesgains

4 жыл бұрын

I went ahead and did 1.5 haha

@awizardman

4 жыл бұрын

why tf does it sound more natural..

@MW-yo8tj

4 жыл бұрын

not all heroes wear capes

This dude is number one... I have seen all the youtube channels related to ebikes, and this guys knowledge and product is light years ahead of all the rest... Greettings from Brazil !!!

Watching this, never get's old!

Great video! I wish I watched this before I upgraded my sur Ron! If my time in motorcycles has taught me anything it's that 1 bike is never enough! I look forward to following your tutorial when I attempt to build my second bike!

My G I can’t wait to get building your great ebike it’s amazing keep up your great work my friend your the guy.👍

Aside from the customisation benefits of your own e-bike. You learn a great deal from building your own machine, and you certainly gain a sense of achievement from it. Especially when you lit it rip for the first time and the electric torque surprises you! I started off with a cheap 1000w diy kit from amazon 6 years ago with 2 batteries that I would individually charge and reconnect in series. Now years later I have a 23s EIG pouch cells setup with bms and pulling 250 battery amps on a bike that weighs a little over 40kg's that hits ludicrous speeds in seconds. I didn't need any special training just a few youtube videos and a friend to show me the bms setup and a bit of hard work. It's a lot more fun doing it DIY and cheaper!!

@ijaripanju3408

3 күн бұрын

Hey that battery thing about charging them individually and then connecting them in series is something I used before also ... only difference was i connected it to 2 toggle switches (each with 4 connections ) and would have one switch connect the batteries together in series and the other one in parallel. I then stuck the switches together but in opposite. So when switching parallel to charge both at the same time it would mechanically switch off the series connection since the toggle switches where soldered together ...and vise versa when switching back to series ...yea it was overly complicated but like you said we have to start off somewhere . But I remember at the time feeling so proud of something that I now see as a hazard 😅. Great to know I'm not the only crazy that enjoys building ev's

@jcreedy20

4 сағат бұрын

@@ijaripanju3408 Yeah thats something I thought about doing when i moved up to higher voltages 28s 117v full charge, more batteries in series. But realised I was running so much current the switches wouldn't survive lol, and then decided to just learn how to wire a BMS.

Brilliant video thanks again. Saved me from hassle. The v42 is a real man's bike

Your videos are so good, thank you so much

Thank You for the video. When comparing DIY motors I ignore exact wattage ratings and look more at Torque NM and RPM. I see 500w motors rated with 12ah 36v batteries. I test them at about 417 actual watts because the 12ah battery is running @ 11.6 ah with a 36v 17a voltage controller. I opted for building a dual motor AWD fat tire bike because I needed off road and street legal for USA. I run 430 actual watts in the back motor and 288 actual watts in the front motor with high torque and rpm motors. I built my own batteries with Panasonic cells and I run separate battery packs for each motor. I used a 11t to 28t rear 7 speed free wheel and a 40t crank. Nothing as fast as your rig, but I can run it both on and off road USA legal.

@iprofox3758

4 жыл бұрын

Very nice! Post some pics of this beast!

Great video. Great info. Thanks. I needed this comparison.

Everything is clear! Like your videos!!!

Not only did you just do a dope video you hit the people with some knowledge too 🤙🏽

I love how we are comparing how loud they are! I used to ride 2 stroke dirt bikes and they sounded like a rocket taking off. Electric is so much better. I like the quieter ride of electric. You can enjoy nature more.

@ZpaztiK_TaktikZ

11 ай бұрын

Who the f goes on a trail to enjoy nature ? 😂

Thanks for the video Ladislav.

You are one of the best ebike builders💯👍👍

Epic video. Love the truth and comparing a real combating decision between easy to buy or building one. Loved this

Class video dude 👍

thanks for sharing the wisdom! i recently discovered E bikes and have been intrigued by how fun and convenient they are!! i am hoping on doing a road trip in the summer around Europe in a Van with a solar panel mounted on the roof rack, that will enable me to charge the bike! first stop was going to be Holland to get some "supplies" but even better! i could collect the bike from Rotterdam on the way!! maybe give the new model a test drive around the Alpine roads in Austria! and up to the eagles nest! thanks again!

Hi Ladislav, thanks for sharing this info. Your DIY bike is great and far better than my Cyberchopper haha.

I bought a Sur ron, and built a Trek 820 with a BBS02 to stay incognito. The donor was free, and I already had a 48v 10ah battery that I bought for a scooter. I'm happy with both.

1 thing i love about the job you did is, the fact that you build it at your own also means you can repair it your own, cous you know all the parts, you can change everything and the only thing you have to do is buy new parts, and that can save you a lot of money, BUT its time you need, and not everyone want to spend that... so yea.

Excellent Video and I also learn some new knowledge .

It's obvious this guy is the "Albert Einstein" of the electric bike's because his research and the "Robin Hood" for people like me who want the best I can have for my dollar; because I'm not rich. Thank You Man! I'm gonna buy from you soon, that's for sure.

@ladiandmargaret

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, that’s nice to say!

Thanks Ladi!!!

I LOVE THE ACCENT , WORSE THAN MINE, ITS GREAT, MY CHANNEL NOT AS BIG BUT I LOVE WHAT YOU ARE DOING , I SUBSCRIBED !

soon done with my 15kw stealth bomber diy :D love the power , gonna post video soon

@Outland9000

3 жыл бұрын

Yes plx! I'm thinking about their F-37 single track.

In the USA most states will let you make the DIY one road legal. You just apply for a custome VIN which take some time and paperwork but seems worth it.

You people out there need to listen to this guy he cuts to the chase and Lay's it down straight forward all numbers involved. It's nice to hear intelligence for a change It's refreshing a regular gift to my ears. Also in a survival situation you can always use solar or natural gas or wind to recharge anything to spin an alternator out of a junk vehicle or a tank full of grape 🍇 juice to make a battery 🔋 even Gilligan could do that. Batteries can charge batteries.

Well I bought my surron for 2800 dollars from russia. I don't know why anyone with half a brain would buy it from those greedy resellers in europe. But I personally I don't know which one I would choose if I were buying my first ebike. Maybe surron is easier and there are tons of videos about it etc. And it has a great upgrade path as you show in the video.

@Marek-qj8fj

4 жыл бұрын

Well, to import bike from Russia to EU you must add to your purchasing price VAT and TAX. That is approx. 21% VAT and 5-8% of tax. And surprisingly you end with 3600 USD. So why don´t buy it even cheaper directly in China then?

@BossManaatti

4 жыл бұрын

@@Marek-qj8fj I haven't seen it any cheaper than 2800usd even from china. Please send me a link if you can find it cheaper. And you must remember the taxes are insane from china if you live in europe. I live near the border of russia so I can just order products to a post office in there and pick it up and no taxes or VAT for me :D Edit: There is no reseller in europe that sells surrons anywhere close to 3600usd and that was my point. Not comparing to us market

@regineauxrheinkreuzer258

4 жыл бұрын

Do you have a link for where you bought it from.

@BossManaatti

4 жыл бұрын

@@regineauxrheinkreuzer258 it was bought with the help of dan orlov. But surronrussia has them sale for about the same price anyway.

@regineauxrheinkreuzer258

4 жыл бұрын

@@BossManaatti Thanks!

Good video. I prefer mid drives for acceleration and you can gear it for your needs. I'm starting to think about putting a big mid drive motor to a bomber frame and just taking off the pedals. Look at the drill one for example.. btw Ladi I love that neon yellow skeletonized tube frame you built in the background of this video, I'll bet it's light

Hey fellow Rider, lol! I would like to congratulate you for your comparison between a "Sur_Ron" and a super powerful eBike like I also have and that I also ridden myself, which is more commonly called: "Bomber" or "Speed ​​bike" You explain very well the differences but also for everyone: the advantages and disadvantages, and it's very good to have done it, because even if now, we are finally starting to see a lot of videos on KZread about all these 2 electric wheels plus or less powerful and versatile, there are still not enough specific tutorials for these wonderful machines that respect the environment, and I know what I'm talking about, because I have done more than 16 years of large displacement thermal and unbridled, and God knows it was still quite polluting but also very noisy, and there, with my Bomber which has a non-reduced wheel motor, which is a delight and ultra-silent, I don't disturb nature, I don't pollute not and makes almost no noise, just a slight hiss and I can even hear the birds while driving in the forest, for example, and that's really pleasant. And so going back to the differences, this Sur-Ron which is really more of a very light little enduro bike and really goes everywhere and can even get over big obstacles like big rocks, kind of like a trials bike, is really made for me as far as size is concerned, because I am 1.71 m tall and as you say: the fact that the engine is central, it is ideal for the balance of this bike and for making jumps , in particular, but as I have no off-road experience and I am 59 years old, I do not drive like a madman on extremely degraded soils like those encountered in the undergrowth, on the other hand as I like the speeds and the super accelerations, I chose to build myself a Bomber for which I took a lot of time to choose all my parts and accessories while looking for the best quality / price ratio as for my battery, he is a specialist French, Josselin of "battery-concept" who made it to me, certainly it cost me more than my Bomber, that is to say 2600 euros, (but it is a 53 Ah and 72 Volts nominal of course with a quality bms which makes 100 A in discharge but I would have liked 150 A like my sabvoton controller and 50 At max load, and with new Samsung 18650 cells which are lighter and therefore it weighs only 16.5 kg when it should have weighed between 20 and 22 kg) and my Bomber: 2500 euros for a total of 5100 euros, which is not expensive, because in France, just a 50 cm3 thermal scooter costs between around 2000 and 3500 or even 4000 euros. So let's not talk about the 125 cm3 of which my Bomber is the equivalent, because I have a wheel motor of 8 Kw nominal and 12 Kw peak and it goes up to 98 km/h in top speed with a 0 to 100 km/ h in about 9 to 10 seconds, but it is given by the manufacturer for 110 km/h, it weighs 80 kg and I weigh 78. Certainly it will always be less agile and will not be able to really go anywhere to climb large obstacles as can the "Sur-Ron", But frankly, despite its weight, and that its motor is wound in 3.5 T therefore does more for speed on asphalt than for off-road and the motor wheel which weighs 24, 2 kg, I go over extremely rough terrain very easily and at high speed if I want to, and it climbs all kinds of rails and very steep hills, with disconcerting ease, lol! moreover, as I have the regeneration which I have adjusted well, not only during braking but also when releasing the gas grip which I have added in the advanced parameters via Bluetooth and the "MQCON" application and well I I have a strong but not violent engine brake which allows me not only to considerably improve my emergency braking, if necessary, but also on very steep descents, like more than 8% it brakes on its own and I am even forced to accelerate to make him regain speed, here, I think the Sur-Ron does not have it. Going back to the size, being not very tall I made the mistake of taking a 21" rear rim and I should have taken the same diameter as the front wheel, so a 19" because I had to drill holes for fixing the saddle support to put it lower, because my feet did not touch the ground and I thought that with a big wheel I would have a better top speed, but no, I always rode max at 98 km/h GPS counter so real speed. But my battery, when I disconnect it from the charger, always goes down from 84 to 82.5 Volts, so I'm missing some volts, maybe that's why it doesn't go up to 110 km/h. For the suspensions, I have DNM so pneumatic and when they are well adjusted, it's a treat of softness and efficiency, what happiness, I always have trouble getting off, lol! If you are curious like me, go see my videos and subscribe to my channel. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zq2Ct9Vye9XTgMY.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/goBolbOCorWwhqQ.html

@haydenlarner7674

Жыл бұрын

Can u show me your engine batt and where to buy

6:38 Replaceable battery is important for urban uses and thats a great advantage over e-cars. Take the battery out, carry it into the apartment and charge it there. Only a few people living in cities have the possibility to charge their bikes or cars outside the apartment.

👍 Good video! Thank you!

Thanks for a great program - just one simple question "what brand is your phone holder on the bike" or did you 3D that one as well?

Ladi, you need to cover the whole market. There are people out there who live in high rise apartments. I am sure they prefer the option of taking the battery out and charge it in their house.

the yellow and black one in the background is awesome watched a video on that one.

Great job👍

Yeah its great but you gotta get your middrive on bro . Lots of advantages. Just make one out of a smaller hub motor .

Thanks so much for making this. Just influenced me to build a bike instead of buying one. Used to build gas powered bikes and excited to make the jump.

@kaylekutkind

4 жыл бұрын

Hope you do jeffrey, i got a feeling this is going to get big one day.

I wish I could give this video a three thumbs up! You make a lot of really good points.

@ladiandmargaret

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rick, staying objective is my lifetime goal 👍

i would like to learn how to do this. i believe the Ebikes are the next revolution to out doors enjoyment.

I've watched the ebike scene back when they were all just DIY garage projects with bikes, hub motors, and lipos in a carry bag. And it was great to see over the years ebikes getting more serious and people coming out with real frames with battery compartments made for ebikes. When Sur Ron came out, it finally felt like a real company decided to design a professional ebike for the masses, which is what they did. You cant make that Surron frame from simple welds, you need industrial machines that ordinary mom and pop shop companies cannot afford, let alone replicate. And you see that level of quality throughout the bike. Even for DIY'ers its an excellent base platform to start with. I just wish they had a bigger battery compartment for more range. For the price, Surron has basically set the new norm, and in order to compete you need a corporation with deep pockets to produce a similar ebike. DIY ebike companies just have to carve out their own niche within the ebike scene and focus on that, but for the general public who are looking for a serious ebike at a sensible price Sur ron is pretty much it for now.

Thanks for the video. Can you tell me where I can find a hub motor for a boost frame 12x148?

The surron just looks so much better and I feel like most people would agree. Also it has a good reputation because it is one of the most popular ebikes of today and there's alot of help when trouble shooting (if anything does happen to go wrong) as opposed to these types of bikes. Also customization aesthetic wise on the surron is way broader and better especially decals, seats, fenders, headlights.

Ive got the same rear wheel on my ebike! if that was a 1500w hub motor with Chinese RED/Violet color! :-) and yes good video

Hii.a great fan of your work on e bike...can you make a full video describing each and every components and how and why to choose those components... please

11:29 -- As a Texan, I understood you perfectly. ;)

@bdgctruz5786

4 жыл бұрын

Sadly in Texas the sur ron is illegal because it goes faster than 20 mph

To be fair, the Sur Ron sounds SWEET. A lot of people don't like motor whine, but no matter how loud it is, it'll never be louder than dirt. Loud electric motors sound the way I'd expect futuristic motorcycles to sound. Sur Rons also supposedly increased their range/speed.

mad luv man... mad luv

Hi from San Francisco. I like your vids and would like to build my own ebike. Are you offering any discounts or coupon codes when ordering the plans and videos from your website?

Can you look in to the outsider edike? I would like to hear your thoughts on that. Thank you.

love watching your videos , can this be made street legal for uk ?

Another advantage of the hub drive; less that can go wrong. Getting the power from the mid drive requires some kind of drive system, like a chain. Chains require constant maintenance, and if they're not tensioned right they can just derail and lock up the rear wheel; it happens a fair bit on motorcycles and if you're not an outstanding rider, that will cause a crash. Another thing that can happen is that the chain snaps, with either a wheel lockup or just coasting to a stop as the result. Obviously people use mid drives a lot and they mostly don't fail, but they can.

@Amatronix999

4 жыл бұрын

A good quality oring chain is little maintenance and very reliable,a one way bearing on a midrive would solve any coasting problems you couldnt tweak in programming.-hub motors offroad are dangerous.

can you point me in the right direction for a mid drive diy full suspension frame? Im not interested in hub motor setup

for electric bike, which brands of universal battery and motor for recommendation (aostirmotor ebike)

I currently have an ebike very similar to your 4.2 bike but... for off-road, I'd go with the Sur Ron X any day. Just has soooo much torque compared to the hub motor ebikes. Can take off much faster than mine, climb so much better than mine and conquer off-road trails where mine gets stuck and I have to get off and lift/walk it. I've honestly been thinking about selling mine and getting a Sur Ron X just because... I never really go THAT fast. Really more interested in acceleration and the ability to do some more intense off-road trails. But yeah I guess it just boils down to what you're after. Honestly though for a brand new, fully built, ready to go ebike that can rip it on the trails, it seems like an awesome deal.

@serginhovault007

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, hub motors and mid drive motor are totally different world, but that's way mid drive motor cost more and to fit on your bike some of them (not Bafang) you need to have minimum mechanical skills, some times to visit your local metalworker to manufacturer extra brackets to fix on your bike frame where you like. A mid-drive motor is much smaller and lighter than a hub motor of similar power as wheel as gives better weight distribution because stays in the middle of the bike but adds extra stress to your chain or shifters, and cause those parts to wear out more quickly.

@Baronial10

3 жыл бұрын

​ @Sergio Vault That's more of a small technical issue and only for certain situations - as there are bike frames that come with mid-motor mounts already installed. Also in my particular comment I was speaking more towards already-built mid-motor ebikes like the Sur Ron - not building your own. Yes, you will absolutely have more stress on the strain but 1. it's a much larger (420 / MX) chain on bikes like the Sur Ron so they can handle a LOT more stress and last a LOT longer than trying to have a motor pull a regular bike chain. These chains are built for the stress. You can still get many thousands of miles (likely even tens of thousands) out of these chains before it comes time to replace them. Just clean and lube them every once in a while and they'll last ages. But again, it really boils down to what you're looking to ride on mostly. For street and very light/easy trails: hub motor all the way - silent and slightly less maintenance. However, if you want more reliability (longer lasting e-bike), want to hit harder off-road trails or just want more torque and the ability to edit your torque vs speed via changing sprockets then mid-motor is the way to go. And yes, mid motors tend to last longer and be more reliable than hub motors. I have compared 5,000-20,000 watt mid-motor ebikes to 5,000-21,000 hub motor ebikes and for off road, there is just no competition. Mid motor 100% wins. So much more controlability and torque. Even the 5,000 watt mid-motor could beat the 21,000 watt hub motor build in cornering and mud. It just has more torque. On the straight aways the 21kw takes it but everywhere else... mid motor. And even a 15,000 watt mid-motor was able to beat a 21,000 watt hub build in a drag race on street. Has more torque to get out ahead and being geared makes it easier on the motor so it doesn't even really overheat. The 21kw may have eventually pulled ahead but it was a pretty long stretch and the 15kw took it by a long shot. Also on a mid-motor build like the Sur Ron, you can easily swap out tires or even the entire wheel. No need to take the entire wheel apart to put a new rim on. Not only that, a mid-motor build puts all of the stress/torque of the motor on a single, small axle... this means that with a lot of power, you end up starting to bend your axle mount on the swingarm or (as I've seen many people do) even completely snap your axle. Mid-motor doesn't have this problem since the stress gets distributed amongst the many mounting bolts of the motor. PS the Sur Ron doesn't have shifters - doesn't need them. For other, custom mid motor builds that do have shifters and that do use those tiny bicycle chains then yeah, you just have to watch the amount of power you put through it and when shifting you just need to apply a tiny bit of power instead of giving it a lot of power and trying to shift... this is how a lot of those smaller mid-motor ebike builds get their chains, shifters or even sprockets damaged. Treat it right though and it can last a very long time. And when it does go bad after thousands of miles, just replace the chain. Chains are dirt cheap and easy to replace :) But yeah basically in summary: Hub builds are fine for street and very light trails. Mid motor for real off-road.

@FlyingFun.

2 жыл бұрын

@@Baronial10 exactly , I have both hub motor builds and mid drive and I love both but off road proper I take mid drive every time. Commuting etc I'd go mid drive though as it's more relaxing to ride.

@zantesh

2 ай бұрын

Go dual hub drive, more traction, nearly as much torque as a bbshd, still cheaper, less maintenance, better for on road.

Like you, there are lots of new ebikers spend a lot of money on they first ebike and I'm on that list also. Bought 2000 USD ebike on AliExpress and in 1 year I spent on it another 1500 USD, replacing cheap part for more durable, replacing controllers (in 1 year 3 of them), melt many times phase cables, 2 hub motors until found in forums how to get ticker phase cables in side the motor so it no overheat even in hot weather, buying spare Hailong batteries until realize they are ALL rubbish unless you assembling yourself or have friend that you can trust to. So ordered triangle battery inside frame by professionals, and so on so on so on... Now decided to purchase Enduro frame and start all over again but now on a good quality frame but this time I decided to get on ebike, not a hub motor but cyclone motor that has a lot of reviews (it very young company but making better and cheaper motor than Bafang). I would definitely buy your video guide if you had installed your bike using their motors (www.cyclone-tw.com), but it shame that you are fan of hub motors. Good like with your project

Hi where can you get the kid for the diy ebike you’ve got like the frame and motors and all other parts or can you buy them complete? Regards

good video your bike good design, where is your country looks good also

I thank you! I don't like it when people talk slow.

Sur ron is a nice bike but if you look at "trials bike" the bikes that jumps on rocks and obstacles that is basically a Sur ron without a seat. Especially the kids version trials bike, adult trials bikes usually weigh around 160 pounds and the 0.5 kids trials bike usually weight about 65 pounds. And guess what I found this weekend on FB marketplace.....a Sherco 0.5 trials bike for cheap with a locked up motor. I already ordered a 5T QS205 on a 19 inch, 800-pound rear shock, Sabvoton 150a, and a pedal crank kit. All I got to do is fabricate a seat and I should be all in for about $1.4k and a full weekend. Great video

You made some great points. I agree with you that there is a great barrier to entry for DIY ebike. You need lots of skills and time. They say time is money. If it takes 5-7 days to build a DIY ebike, you can use that money towards upgrades for a Sur ron. A Sur ron has lost of aftermarket support for and there is brand recognition for Sur ron. So resale value may be better for a known product like Sur ron. What happens if a component fails within the DIY ebike. You maybe have trouble with warranty support for that particular component in that case. You get a faster charging battery with DIY. But it's generally widely known that fast charging causes faster battery degradation. Some prefer prefer the convenience of a removable battery for people that dont have accessible power plug like people living in apartments or condos. Added benefit is that the battery is the most costly component of any ebike. You can remove that component for added security and reduce the chances of theft.

@07kevlar

4 ай бұрын

a better comparison would be a Eride pro SS with a DIY in this day and age.

Hey so i know your in Europe are there any places you know in the USA that i can purchase your DYI bike completely constructed or semi constructed. I live in a urban area that i do not have access to a garage to carry out the construction. I have followed you on this channel and now looking to either try and construct one or purchase one of yours. Thanks

my biggest problem with these bikes is the fact that by the time you've spent all the money doing a suron up, you could almost afford a cheaper model zero bike with is in a different league.

@FarmerFpv

4 жыл бұрын

Or a KTM freeride

@Outland9000

3 жыл бұрын

True, personally I'm looking for something that blurs the line between mountain bike and dirt bike. If its sub 50kg I can lift into the back of a campervan... Ideal because when I camp up somewhere but wanna explore/make short trips I can take the lekky' bike and leave the van. I do want good power hub motor, pedals but don't necessary need more than 20-30km range when riding 'enthusiastically'. I have been looking at a 'Stealth F-37' but also building my own really appeals.

@deftrover

3 жыл бұрын

@@Outland9000, check my build!

@ghettogrower5734

2 жыл бұрын

Yes true.. BUT... say you put $3,000 into your sur-run getting it up to power and what not yeah that takes you up to $8,000 which could buy you something different but than your still going to put even more money into that different bike or you really going to ride it stock??

@mattyburrows9059

2 жыл бұрын

if you are buying a sur ron to upgrade you would be better getting the segway..same frame..just cheaper controller battery forks and wheels.but they would be getting upgraded anyway

Thank you for your video. I was looking into buying one of these ebikes, but you make a good.point on building your own ebike. I was wondering do you have any how to videos on building these bikes from start to finish? Again, thank you for this video. Great points you made.

@ladiandmargaret

Жыл бұрын

MySuperEbike.com

A lot of great useful information. Could it be to mechanical vehicles improve quite quickly over time. To get away from a chain sprocket noise Grease is huge I've have a cheap China chain driven side mount motor kit on my fat bike a lot of maintenance with 2 chains running about 3/8 of an inch apart I just happy to get it together baby steps I like your philosophy Dennis

How much would it be to build the cyberbike or parts and we put together?

The most precious commodity in life is time ( assuming you don't love building DIY bikes, in which case time is not a concern - you're having fun ). So if you work out your hourly 'rate' in terms of the time taken to build a DIY bike, and also add in the fact that your DIY bike has no warranty because you build it ( you might have warranties per component, sure - but this might be limited depending on if you made a mistake wiring it all up ) then buying a pre-assembled bike is just a no-brainer. Having said all this... you just have to love some of these DIY builds! The other issue with DIY build is for on-road use, in most countries you are screwed doing it legally, or if you can do it legally, it can cost an arm and a leg to get it tested, and even then it might not pass the regulations.

Lads. Newbie to the channel from Canada 🇨🇦 ! I’ve had some spare time recently, and had initially been attracted to “Cab Motor Works - Recon” sold out of California. And then I saw the price they ask for their “package”. After a few days on KZread I landed here. And You my new friend just saved me about $6k USD in completely unnecessary “packager markup” !!! I’m ready to order a frame now (EEB ) but am somewhat sceptical of its timing arriving here from China. I’m willing to take that risk tho ! Stay safe out there fellas.

@beyondfossil

4 жыл бұрын

I ordered my DIY e-bike frame and motor kit from China as well. It was FedEx over in four large boxes within a few days including the RockShox front fork. I spent a lot of time with my seller to get what I wanted. That was almost 3 years ago and now I have some 3600 miles on my e-bike. The year round riding in California also helps to enjoy biking. 😎 If you're doing a high powered setup (not "normal" commercial e-bike speeds), don't use the stock ESC included in the kit. See if you can work in a sine wave ESC like the Sabvoton or skip the stock ESC and get your own Sabvoton separately. It totally boosted my power and gave nearly silent propulsion. It is soo much fine to ride like riding on a cloud. Its even more fun knowing you built it yourself at or close to your specifications with power, wiring, and upgrades done by yourself.

@jordany7018

4 жыл бұрын

Rotormatic thank you for the advice it has been well noted ! As the hours tick by I keep finding even more info and it’s greatly appreciated. I’m pretty sure I can make my own “Recon” spec for less than half the “MSRP” now.

@jordany7018

4 жыл бұрын

Rotormatic something tells me shipping times from overseas will be lengthy though. Time will tell

What do you think about greyp g12s?

what phone holder you using ?

Not biased at all. Saw one of these for sale for £6500 in the uk.

You just stated another idea I freaking love I don't have to have all that money up front I can buy on eBay I guess you say I like the do and learn new things as I go to there is just so many positives here with your ebike thank you I'm really excited more than ever now that I've found your channel thank you I'm here in the USA so I guess everything is a premium cost and taxed the good ol USA a country based on theft yes I'm saying it jokingly but it's true look at the native Americans already here they don't call the trail of tears rout a happy time in our history sorry bout that I gotta get back to your videos

I had a Legtimate Stealth Bomber, now i want to buy a Sur-ron, but im thinking no since its soooo damn loud. I might just do a FUTR Alpha Ebike build.

How can I increase the range and decrease the speed? Also what torgue is best for lets say Alpine hills (800m elevation)? Thank you very much,

The enduro bike frame looks better than the surron and is actually a bigger frame, made to adult size unlike the suron which is the size suitable for a12 year old and requires you to cough up more money than that initial £3000-£5000, cos you have to mod the seat, seat height, and wheels just to get it to an adult ride height. This problem doesnt exist with the enduro frame. You can build that bike for around £3000 tops if you know what youre doing and where to get quality parts for a cheaper price. Dont get me wrong. I do like the surron. I love that it comes finished out of the box, very little building neccesary and i love that it’s designed with light trail riding in mind unlike the stealth/enduro frame. But if you arent looking for a trial bike and mainly want a bike for road use, do you really want to spend £5000+ on a bike that fits a small girl much better than it fits a fully sized adult? I guess it all depends on the person. But most guys, even the short guys are too big for the surron.

the thing thats stopping me from building a bike is the fact that i cant find a good source for parts and the money that it takes to buy the parts and also the lack of knowledge i have when it comes to building an e bike.

Question, are you building your own battery for your bike? Great video, been enjoying watching them.

@ladiandmargaret

4 жыл бұрын

Yes I do. You can also purchase finished one.

@mikejf4377

4 жыл бұрын

Ladislav Jecminek thanks, what are you using for your spot welder for doing that.

@ladiandmargaret

4 жыл бұрын

Diy spot welder

I got directdrive hub in my new bike, and it is sweet. It is only 1500w, but fast enough for me. Whole set cost about 400e whit battery, and I can build battery myself. This case I didn't have time for that. 50kph gps speed and pulls well. I have rear sidemotor whit chaing drive in other bike, it is loud and raw, but actually slower. In that I can change gear ratio to accelerate faster, but top speed drops as well. It was even cheaper set. My game is to build bikes whit coins.

Sus Ron é realmente incrível

@serginhovault007

3 жыл бұрын

Incrível só na imagem, mas de facto uma grande peça de lixo. Isto já aprovado por muitos profissionais.

It's like a peptalk to not be a dumb ass and build my own bike!!

I love the diy part it's better. More power and more speed and range.

Opinions on 'Stealth EBike' specifically the F-37 Single track?

the removable battery is a big advantage for sur ron because if you don't have electricity in your garage you can carry the battery at home . and you have not compared the weight of the two bikes, Sur ron is lighter so more maneuverable and can fit into the trunk of a sedan . for the size of the bikes you can increase the seat height of the sur ron with a little DIY and it will be much better for tall people

@gilogreenaway2989

4 жыл бұрын

what is the weight of a sur ron sonny?

@sonny9546

4 жыл бұрын

@@gilogreenaway2989 50kg

@gilogreenaway2989

4 жыл бұрын

I see the bs sur ron brochure states 47/50 kg. my calibrated industrial scales weigh in my off road version sur ron @ 54kg!

Well. the obvious advantage to diy is that you can decide where you want to put more money, and where good enough is good enough. You also get to select parts that wouldn't make sense to a consumer builder - like a top dollar controller, though your battery can't supply anywhere near the current capacity of the controller. But you do this because the battery is to get you going - you already have an upgrade in mind. Or you want lots of power, but mediocre brakes are ok, because you are building an off road camping bike that hauls a trailer through snow and mud and sand, and never go fast. High end ebikes usually means aluminum frames, which are less strong, and harder to weld. Shaving 5 pounds off a 30 lb bike you peddle is a big deal - not so much with a 100 lb bike with 20kw pk power. And with diy, you can take advantage of parts you run across at deep discount, and you can sit and wait for just the right cells to come up at the right price on the secondary market.

What kind of hub you use?

What motor and battery kit ect and where can i buy it please im in australia whats the cost

The sur Ron would be great also for my length of 1.74 and 70 kg, s...

Hi, you can ship the bike to Brazil?

My man is back with a video. I prefer building one its more fun

@ladiandmargaret

4 жыл бұрын

I agree completely! It's such a fun project, whether you're in quarantine or not XD

@ShaJawad

4 жыл бұрын

@@ladiandmargaret You compared DIY bike with Sur Ron but you did not compair the prices of the DIY bike?

@ladiandmargaret

4 жыл бұрын

@@ShaJawad For someone to build their own (like mine), it would cost them $3,600 USD. Sur Ron also sells for $3,600 USD, so that's what I'm comparing. I would build it for others, but for a higher price because I'd need a profit margin. $3,600 is the price of parts for the DIY eBike, while Sur Ron is made cheaper than that. $3,600 goes further when you build it yourself :)

@ShaJawad

4 жыл бұрын

@@ladiandmargaret ahhhh I get it, thanks for breaking it up for me, guess Sur Ron way out of anyone budget, and can you help me with the link to buy the ebike frame with the suspension kit, I checked em3ev but they are out of stock I really like their prices as for 500 USD front fork and rear shock with frame and shipping costs, however their stock out.

@ronniematthews3408

4 жыл бұрын

@@ladiandmargaret how much to build me one and ship it vero beach Florida USA. Also how long will it take to build it. ?

He sounds pretty smart 🤓 to me. Apparently knows how to research. And understands development 👌 👏. You know R and D.

@deensedudevonand4115

2 жыл бұрын

og du lyder temmelig optaget af at høre eller se dine egne kommentar ..

we need to find a way to make these street legal man thats the only thing stopping me from building one. Even if i could use it in the bike lane id be happy!

Any Cheaper options for a road legal one

Surron comparing to gas vehicles is not that loud, But still you’re right with everything

Great Video, thanks for sharing with us.

forgot to throw in the cost of the bike on the dyi. good mtb cost 1000 on up.

@oahu7873

3 жыл бұрын

Bomber frame max 500.

@Arunnejiro

3 жыл бұрын

@@oahu7873 Just got mine 300$

Some batteries don’t like to be drained. What is the lower % it can go to? Also what is the weight capacity. I want to carry a back pack too.

Ladi, I love this idea, but I am under 5' tall. Can a DIY work scaled for a to smaller person?

In your comparisons, are you considering the cost of the bike in your DIY version? The shocks, handle bars, seat etc. Is that included in the $3600? Thx again, great video! New sub. Do you ship to U.S.?

@ladiandmargaret

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, all included of course.

That's really what it comes down to: do you need mid-drive or not? If you don't, you're crazy to buy a Sur Ron (assuming you have DIY skills). I do wish they made a version of the Sur Ron in a larger frame though. I ride almost exclusively off-road (single & double track), and I currently ride a size large 2000W modified ebike (true bicycle frame, not EEB). It's a blast, and it only weighs 55 lbs, but I'd love an electric motorcycle too. I might just end up on a Zero FX.

@k1ortia

4 жыл бұрын

Totaly agree. Why the hell would a manufacturer make such a tiny framed E-Bike. If They made one real sized people and not Hobbits id probably consider, but on the other hand im builder and tinkerer, so id love to give a build a go.