Never thought about comparing it to sudoku, that's such a smart way of describing it!

@m4rt_

2 жыл бұрын

I thought of the game carcasone.

@ocaly

2 жыл бұрын

@@m4rt_ 2D representation for something that looks complicated in 3D. Nice!

@lucadeacha

2 жыл бұрын

@@ocaly Yes but interestingly, you can also see the sudoku as a 3d problem. You have an X and Y axis, but given that any number from 0 to 9 can be on the same space at the same time you can also represent this as a Z axis.

@ocaly

2 жыл бұрын

@@lucadeacha you could look at it from that way and there are many sudoku variants even using that (f.e. "skyscraper sudokus").

@ocaly

2 жыл бұрын

@@lucadeacha or cubedoku's which is precisely what you're describing. but skyscraper sudokus is more well-known example among the online sudoku peers.

With a name like Wave Function Collapse, I was expecting some really advanced mathematics, but this is actually beautifully simple and intuitive.

@aarondewindt

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of things in mathematics are beautifully simple and intuitive. It's just that mathematicians are really bad at explaining things. Or to be more exact, they are really good at explaining things to other mathematicians.

@jessiejanson1528

2 жыл бұрын

i dont know about beautiful, but simple for sure.

@Piotrek7654321

Жыл бұрын

Just like the Universe.

@rawallon

Жыл бұрын

@@Piotrek7654321 i dont know about Universe, but you for sure.

@Piotrek7654321

Жыл бұрын

@@rawallon A stranger on the Internet just called me beautiful? Aww, thank you

This is literally the best explanation for how this algorithm works.

@OMGclueless

2 жыл бұрын

Well, the explanation is super simple because it completely glosses over/ignores what happens when the constraint propagation fails and you need to backtrack or start over. There is a split second at 12:04 where two big pink exclamation points show a failed propagation -- what to do with that is not explained at all, and in fact is the most difficult part of designing a WFC algorithm that doesn't run for hours or fail 99% of the time.

@martinbecker2164

2 жыл бұрын

@@OMGclueless Well, Ok that's a fair point & I did notice that but didn't quite understand what they meant, but for an explanation on how it generally works, I've found a lot of other explanations to be super complex or not very intuitive, especially when compaired to this explanation.

@kenhaley4

2 жыл бұрын

@@OMGclueless Agreed. I was just about to reply with this same question.

@mrmartinwatson1

2 жыл бұрын

I see Martin, i like

@kyousouka

Жыл бұрын

@@OMGclueless Backtracking is not part of WFC itself and is thus probably just outside this video's scope - the original WFC implementation quits when it encounters a contradiction. Backtracking just happens to be a very helpful addition to WFC :] That said, the fundamentals of backtracking are fairly simple to explain and probably could've been mentioned - you push every collapse and the pre-collapse state onto a stack, and if the collapse causes a contradiction, you pop that collapse and remove that candidate from that cell's candidate list and propagate that. If that removal also causes a contradiction, you pop yet another collapse off the stack, and so on. The difficulty comes from storing the pre-collapse state in such a way that it won't eat all your memory or require recalculating most of the state at each Undo, and that's definitely beyond this video's scope.

This is one of the most well-presented videos, on a technical subject, that I have ever watched on youtube. Great work, looking forward to more content.

Watched more than 3 hours of implementations and explanations about wave function collapse, Can confirm that this one was the best from every aspect, Thank you!.

Terrific explanation! I recently finished reading "Doors of Eden" (by Adrian Tchaikovsky), a novel in which wave function collapse influences the plot outcome significantly. I'm going to share the link for this video with my wife and a friend who've also recently read the book but who are both humanities scholars rather than techies, because if they simply stop at the beginning of the programming section, they will get an extremely lucid and approachable explanation of the theory. Well done, and thanks for sharing.

Best WFC explanation I've watch. Thanks !

@fearian

3 жыл бұрын

It really is! And even provides links to all the further reading you want. Great video.

@alejmc

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Definitely brings this ‘WFC’ that we have been seeing from the likes of Oskar Stalberg since some years now to humanly possible understandable levels. The Sudoku explanation is quite straightforward to grasp the concept, at least for me. Deserves the patron support hands down.

This is super useful for generating levels with a set number of points of interest. You add whatever things you want to have in a level at random points and maybe add roads between them and after that you can make this algorithm do its magic to fill in the details. Very nice!

@jessiejanson1528

2 жыл бұрын

though it would be different for every user unless you have some way to define what goes where specifically by the coordinate.

@Lord_Drakostar

Жыл бұрын

@@jessiejanson1528 as long as your pseudorandom selection process is consistent then it shouldn't be an issue

Normally my brain hurts when I try to grasp new concepts, but that just didn't happen now. You have a way of explaining things making the concepts very easy to understand

If you add recursive backtracking to this algorithm, you'll end up with a classic algorithm for SAT solving, called DPLL. Also, DPLL is very old and outdated, so if your constraints are too complex to find a solution with it, consider taking inspiration from CDCL algorithm, or just use the off the shelf SAT/SMT solver, like Z3.

@sweetcornwhiskey

2 жыл бұрын

I'm working on creating a complex sudoku solver for variant sudoku rules, and my current algorithm that I came up with seems to reduce to DPLL. Do you know of some elementary resources where I could learn some more about CDCL to make my algorithm faster? I got a minor in comp sci, but most of the resources that I've seen are borderline graduate CS level.

@luck3949

2 жыл бұрын

@@sweetcornwhiskey I learned about that algorithms from presentations of Emina Torlak from her Washington University course, you can google that course. Once you get through the notation, that should be understandable.

@luck3949

2 жыл бұрын

@@sweetcornwhiskey CSE 507

@sweetcornwhiskey

2 жыл бұрын

@@luck3949 Thanks!

@notjnsz

2 жыл бұрын

@@sweetcornwhiskey there's been a SAT competition for the past 20 years: see SAT RACE / SAT COMP. You will find an assortment of different solvers source codes to look at/reference. A lot of the content is dense/state of the art, but the assorted info over the years is probably the best resource for speeding up SAT solving. You might find a PhD dissertation/Survey or two where the "preliminaries" or "background” section explain completely the ideas, reasoning behind it, etc. before jumping into what is likely more difficult.

The idea to just analyze an example level to determine valid sockets is great. I did not even think about that. Makes it much easier to create complex rules and have the computer imitate the style of a human Level Designer.

This is honestly not only extremely well explained, but also beautiful too

Nicely presented! I thought you were going to talk about physics but I watched the whole video because this algo idea is so fun, and all the info was a good mix of visual demo and technical details, perfect for morning coffee :D

Wow, this was amazing. So well organized, articulated, and indeed respectful of my time. You sir have earned a sub + bell. Thank you for this I'm sure I'll end up referring back to this one day.

That was mind-bending! Really some food for thought! And you've convinced me to take up Sudoku! I really love that you relate Sudoku to wave function collapse in this way! Really helped something *click* in my brain; thank you!

WOW, this is an incredibly well-made video. You've done such a good job teaching and choosing your metaphors.

Man you're so good! cant believe this channel is so small :O really helped me out with my next project :)

I really appreciate the effort you put in to explain what I once thought was a really difficult algorithm to understand. Great Job!

The way you break down the software is perfect for learning key concepts on a functional level. In my eyes, you are the gold standard. You can bet that I will be watching everything you'd ever made over the upcoming days

This is by far the clearest and most detailed explanation i saw on the subject, thanx a lot ! I was wondering, just like for sudoku, is it possible that the algirithm runs into a dead end by selecting a combination of tiles that doesn't allow a suitable neighbour in some cases? Is there a strategy for the algorithm to backtrack and correct that, or is it better to start over again or carefully craft a tileset that allows every possible combinations?

@MartinDonald

3 жыл бұрын

This can absolutely happen. Backtracking is a good option definitely, but I never got around to implementing anything like that. My implementation just starts the whole process again if any cell ends up completely empty of options. Making sure your tileset covers all bases definitely helps avoid contradictions.

@j.j.maverick9252

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that for each axis we might store a growing list of changes, so more recent changes are at the end. Then we could do a targeted backtrack looking only at the values which directly constrain a given location. I haven’t worked out how that would fit with the required propagation steps yet… it wouldn’t be as clean as a simple backtrack everything (breadth first search) but it feels like it should be hugely faster.

@abraxas2658

2 жыл бұрын

@@j.j.maverick9252 If you only remove selected changes, there could be issues where the algorithm would prefer certain patterns of cells to be faaar more used than other patterns. Especially if a constraint is quite old, it would have influenced the choices for a lot of other cells. You could absolutely consider this intended behavior, but a small change in your tiles could cause quite large repercussions on the average outcome.

@jessiejanson1528

2 жыл бұрын

seems like the best solution is just to solve it in a circular pattern going around the starting point. i cant imagine it would ever get stuck.

@sabata2

Жыл бұрын

@@jessiejanson1528 It absolutely can get stuck. You're talking about a FIFO Stack (First In First Out) for cell determination which is what this video shows, so long as you are leveraging squares (as in this example) you can run into impossible scenarios. In example, look at your number pad, take 2, 4, 6, and 8 to be South, West, East, and North respectively. You pick a determinate cell for North. You're now acting on East (clockwise), and just like North you have all the same options. Fast forward a bit and now deal with "North East" Your cell now has 2 restrictions applying to it to which you may have contradictory rules (See the example at 5:35). This is just hypothesis at the point of writing this but I suspect that one of three things can help mitigate this: 1) Hexagonal Cylinders (making all surrounding cells directly relate to an immediately previously set cell's face) 2) Writing an algo to parse your "tile set" and make sure you have Tile Sets that fulfil all iterable conditions (so assuming outwards propagation, 2 faces for a 2d square tileset, 3 faces for a 2d hexagon tileset and, atleast 3 faces for a 3d tileset) 3) Making sure no Tile Face Socket exists only twice. (for the same reason as #2, if a face only has one possible match you're significantly more likely to enter a dead end.

Thank you for the fantastically clear, intuitive, and well-articulated explanation 🙂 Much appreciated ❤️

AWESOME video! Thank you so much for the extremely detailed overview of this algorithm! I definitely feel like I have a grasp on how to implement and modify it. Thanks again!

Excellent! I'll be eagerly watching your future videos. Are you also using Doom Emacs with the gdscript layer? If you have any suggestions for improvements they're welcome on the repository.

@MartinDonald

3 жыл бұрын

I'm actually using pycharm but I can see why you'd think that, the colour schemes are almost identical. I'll definitely look into it though.

@kingsleylangston1959

2 жыл бұрын

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@kingsleylangston1959

2 жыл бұрын

@Sylas Casey i really appreciate your reply. I got to the site on google and I'm trying it out atm. Looks like it's gonna take a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.

@kingsleylangston1959

2 жыл бұрын

@Sylas Casey it did the trick and I actually got access to my account again. I am so happy! Thank you so much you saved my account !

@sylascasey3828

2 жыл бұрын

@Kingsley Langston no problem :)

This may be one of the best videos on this topic I've ever seen. Its explanatory power is breathtaking. This just shows the principle so well with so little wasted effort.

This is the best explanation video on WFC I have found! Alone with the example at the beginning I could conceptualize the algorithm. great work!

Very nice and compact video, makes me want to program my own implementation from scratch. Also, the comparison of the wave function collapse to sudoku was what made it click for me, very well done :)

dude, this video is so good, I've looked at explanations on WFC for ages and this one really made me understand it

By far the best introduction to and explanation of WFC I've come across...! Thank you for taking the time to make this.

wow.. this is the most amazing explanation ever.. Please Please keep making high quality videos like this.

this is awesome, you explained the concept so well that it just intuitively clicked for me. i feel like the number of tools in my mental toolbox as a programmer has increased after watching this video

heck, you explained wave function collapse so beautifully in just two minutes. i am sticking around for the rest of the video of course but even so i had to compliment you on being so succinct

Wow! Thank you for a great explanation and for mentioning all these references! I realized that when developing something like a tile engine I can avoid making an editor to create test levels (at least at the beginning) and use WFC to generate levels automatically.

Absolutely loved this video, especially love how in the beginning you compared it to something that everyone can understand before going more in-depth.

You did a fantastic job of explaining this concept. Thank you so much!

I've been reading about wave function collapse for a few days, and four minutes into your video I already understand it better than everything else I've seen combined. Fantastic job

Thank You! This video helped it all make sense! I love your "wax on, wax off" trick about teaching us Wave Function Collapse through sudoku! Right when I'm like wait, I want to learn about Wave Function Collapse, you have already tricked me into learning it! I knew karate the whole time.

This is the best explanation I've seen for WFC - it's got me thinking about where I can apply it, and I don't write games. I also accidentally watched all your back-catalogue. Pity there aren't more - they're all really well explained!

Holy crap, I just stumbled upon this channel randomly and I'm stunned. Amazing content, thank you for this.

good video! haven't found many good channels like this explaining algorithms or CS concepts, have subbed!

Thanks for this high density video! Beautiful masterpiece, you earned my subscription!

Best WFC Explanation never thought of comparing it to Sudoku. Nice Vid!!

Hands down the best explanation for WFC I've ever seen. Kudos!

Of all the videos that I watched on wave function collapse, yours is by far the best at explaining it.

Without a doubt one of the best explanations I've heard/seen. Thank you so much for that.

This is so well made and perfectly explained. You need way more subs!

Incredible content. Amazingly explained. I'm excited to see more

That was just enough information to be able to write it and not be lost. Thank you for not over or under explaining it like most videos do.

I'm so glad I found your channel. You really remind me of Sebastian Lague! Your content is phenomenal, I really hope your channel picks up more traction soon. Cheers!

Brilliant, concise, informative and fun! A truly exquisite piece of education.

Looked at some of your other videos as well. Brilliant content! Subbed.

Thank you so much for your video! Great material and superb delivery, I enjoyed it a lot!

This is so great! The presentation is excellent! Will share on LinkedIn soon.

Thank you for creating quality content that appreciates our time.

Excellent video! Thanks for sharing! Also, you are the reason I created a Patreon and you're the first person I'm sponsoring! :) Great job!

@MartinDonald

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!

Very informative, thank you. I’ve been considering implementing wfc in music composition, and this explanation helps me grasp it. Have a pleasant day.

Thank you so much. This is the cleanest explanation I came across so far. ❤

holy shit this makes it make so much sense, i wouldnt have known this comparison would work so well! Good discovery!

Looking forward to your content, Wave Function Collapse algorithm is awesome, can't wait to try out in game.

This was an excellent video! A really great explanation of this kind of generative art.

This is basically a computer playing Carcassonne

Well explained! Thanks for your effort!

DUDE SUCH A NICE EXPLANATION! THANK YOU SO MUCH

This is the best wave function collapse video out there. By far. 10/10

Omg you are a genius! I never learned AND understood so much information at once. Great work!!

Really nice explanation and visuals!

This video deserves more views! Amazing explanation and great video :D

the amount of math and editing required for this video is insanely impressive

What a great way to explain this! Wonderful video

Sudoku example was brilliant, Thank you so much .🙏.

First explanation of WFC that I actually understood, thanks!

Amazing tutorial and explanation. Thank you!

Woah, I'll have to do a tier in your patreon, this is so well explained

Well explained. Thank You！

just got my own implementation working in unity, this video was a massive help!

Wow! This is great explanation and video I rarely subscribe after watching just one video, but this one is very good and your other video topics also seem interesting, so this time I did:)

This is amazing! This'll help me so much! Thank you!

Clearly explained - thank you!, a good taster to get into this. Subbed!

This is fantastic! Thank you!

this was brilliant! come back, make more, please!!

Best explanation i have ever seen Hope u can cover more topics like these

This video is fantastic, thank you Martin.

I have learned so much from this video, and I thank you so much!

Explaining wave function theory is usually quite the challenge, but you managed to do it really nicely by using Sudoku! I'm definitely gonna use this analogy next time I find myself talking about quantum mechanics (whenever that happens, haha).

Amazing loved this!

v0_0 is how my face looks when looking at the astonishing amount of informative data in this video. Kudos on how well presented this is too!

Wow, comparing it to sudoku was smart. That made it so much easier to wrap my head around!

Wow, very well explained! So, the constraints of reality lead to the collapse of wave function.

Thank you! I'm trying to make my own game featured infinite level generation, This will help me a lot !! Your explanation is so well, even a none English speaker like me can understand :D

Our teacher added this as our study material on a course lol. Very informative!

@MartinDonald

Жыл бұрын

This makes me unreasonably proud, thank you for sharing! 🙏

@sirpaleet9144

Жыл бұрын

@@MartinDonald You should!

Such a great video, thank you!!

Just found this channel and it is absurdly good -- wow!

Very clear explanation!!! Thank you!!!

so simple but so powerful I love it

(honestly I don't think I've pressed subscribe this quickly before) amazing video ♥️

I’m from the complete other side of the spectrum, I’m a physics student in their penultimate year of their undergraduate and I know and understand superposition and collapsing a wavefunction in quantum mechanics, but have never seen it used for mapping. That’s awesome!

As someone looking to do a wave function collapse implementation the really helped me understand

Lovely video. Thank you so much for this!

Really fantastic video! Also super interesting stuff!

Thank you for creating this excellent video!

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