You can fit any standard 80mm fan on a Wraith Stealth / Spire. Even a standard 25mm tall fan will lower the overall height, but you can use thinner 15mm fan and reduce the height even further.

I’d really love it if you did a video testing several of the tiny PC’s you’ve reviewed for VR gaming. I really want to ditch my bulky desktop and switch to one of these tiny APU powered desktops, but my gaming build must support VR gaming and I can’t seem to find many people talking about running VR off these tiny machines.

Can't wait for the emulation vid!❤️

Dude thats a sick lookin little build

Finally! Been waiting for this since the 5700g video.

@shubsodhi5986

4 ай бұрын

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@chrisB_OG

3 ай бұрын

me too

I was thinking about this and so I'm really glad you made this video

To put things into perspective, my HP laptop that I'm still using rocks a 4th core i5, 16gb of 1600mhz ddr3 ram. It maxes out at 65W all the time JUST TO PLAY THIS KZread VIDEO. Ten years later these AMD APU can game comfortably at 15W or lower. Progress!!

@ciungalunga

4 ай бұрын

i have the same build + GTX1050 running Linux Mint. I wonder how much it draws from the wall...

@pankoza2

2 ай бұрын

still doesn't beat my old AMD C-60 with a 9W TDP

@kaczan3

27 күн бұрын

I thik these apus run at 65w

@baoquoc3710

3 күн бұрын

@@pankoza2 i bet it would be slow as fcuk lol, oh wait

~100watt decent 1080 gaming is an ultimate option for a green energy user like me. Very efficient

@maximeperron12

4 ай бұрын

You must be fun at parties.

@davidframe1613

4 ай бұрын

😁🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@hiepbenh88

4 ай бұрын

guys laughing but they dont know at summer here in hanoi VN, i cant even use my PC coz it's too fking HOT ! cant use air conditioner everytime, it's gonna burn my wallet and heath

@davidframe1613

4 ай бұрын

@@hiepbenh88 I understand I really do. I just thought it was funny the way the guy put I bet you're really fun at panties. 😂🤣 Sometimes you got to just learn to laugh even if it's at yourself.

@chiboreache

4 ай бұрын

@@hiepbenh88 same, i bought 5950X and build custom water cooling rig, but i having random reboots twice a week cause it too hot =( i need $500 chiller or downgrade my CPU -_-

Love it. Excellent video, Uncle ETA.

From Phoenix AZ. This is a perfect 1080p 100w for my summer needs. Nicely done AMD and ETA Prime.

@stephenxs8354

4 ай бұрын

100w? 65w tdp.

@wandameadows5736

4 ай бұрын

@@stephenxs8354 80-100w with load

@Arijit_

4 ай бұрын

Total 120w​@@stephenxs8354

@gimubatulo

4 ай бұрын

@@stephenxs8354100w minimum with stable iGPU OC usage.

@pleasuretokill

4 ай бұрын

I live here too. I am dreading summer. Our nice temps are going to go away quick.

Thank you for this 👏

It's funny because I was searching for a build like this yesterday and there weren't any on KZread yet. Of course it would come from ETA😂

dude if you told me 1080p med would have this kind of performance on cyberpunk 2 yrs ago on a APU i would call you crazy

@sleepingvalley8340

Ай бұрын

Wait till the Strix Point 40CU parts start coming out I bet you my left kidney that Minisforum is salivating to put that thing on a 1.5L case.

This System is Way Cool. Thank you for posting this

this was exactly the build i was planning to do

my 8700g gets here today. so stoked!

@kasimirdenhertog3516

4 ай бұрын

Mine too! 🥳

@yorkyalmanzar8959

4 ай бұрын

How is it!?

@kasimirdenhertog3516

4 ай бұрын

@@yorkyalmanzar8959 depends on what you expect. I want something very efficient and capable of running high speed memory. In that regard, the 8700G is very impressive. Idle is just 6-7W, which is incredible compared to chiplet Ryzens (I had a 5600X that consumed 30W just sitting at the desktop). And I dialed in some DDR5-8000, no sweat! Next plan is to delid, to drop up to 25C (according to der8auer).

Great content! However, one of the most important factors is the noise level. Could you please measure how silent or noisy this system runs?

So sweet. Tnx for showing this. 👍

I hope AsRock comes out with a new low cost DeskMini. That basically is the only use case for a desktop cpu like this

@DarkguyAT

4 ай бұрын

DeskMini, DeskMeet and Jupiter X600 barebones have all been confirmed at CES. Looking forward to a DeskMini video myself

@pranze3484

4 ай бұрын

They are coming but with a 120W PSU. Good luck with that, with a 88W APU, ram, ssd, mobo, fan, it's going to leave virtually 0 room, not good at all.

@stephenxs8354

4 ай бұрын

@@pranze3484 8700G is a 65W TDP.

@thelegendaryklobb2879

4 ай бұрын

@@pranze3484 That's bad

@user-ko4ss8tb9m

4 ай бұрын

urgh, AsRock... Gamers Nexus told me if you want to buy their mobo, you gotta wait a little longer cause there's obviously a problem every time they launch a new line of mobos

The Minisforum keyboard looks good.

Looking forward to seeing you try this processor with emulation.

I'm really excited for these new AMD APUs. Whenever it's time to build a new rig, I'd love to do a more compact design. I've still got a good 3-4 years in my current setup so hopefully they'll be pushing 1440 by then.

This thing is a beast!

In my PC I have a i7 5960X from 2014-15, 8C/16T, 64GB of RAM and a GTX 1660 Super. While my GPU is faster than this iGPU, the CPU has less than half the single core performance and even lower multicore, than this APU. My computer is inside a small house PC case (which I like but it is huge). I still wouldn't go and compare my now close to ancient system with this new one. It's not just the size difference, it's the pure CPU performance difference in favor of this build, and the cost. When I bought the parts when they were new, the CPU alone was more expensive than this small PC with all its parts together. I am still glad I have this PC as I am now poor and can't afford to buy new parts, but it is quite interesting how far ahead we went the last few years. Of course nothing compared to the 90s when I was buying a new PC every 15 minutes just to stay relevant and able to play the latest Wing Commander game lol.

@briana.obenhaus4548

4 ай бұрын

This guy pumps out videos for anybody that will send him a product to sling

@TrusteftTech

4 ай бұрын

@@briana.obenhaus4548 Possibly. Nothing wrong with that. I would do it too if I had companies sending me products I could test. Few years ago, on my main channel, I had a company approach me to test their brand new type C usb hub. I had no type c computer at the time. Well...I still don't as I have the same PC lol. My point is, there is nothing wrong with what he does as long as he doesn't lie about the products. If there is one thing I don't like about what he does, is how in every video he asks the viewers input on any number of things and yet he never seems to reply to anything on any video. So...that sucks.

@micksterminator3

4 ай бұрын

Your build is fine as long as it suits your needs. Try overclocking, it helped out my x58 setup a lot. I'm sure a GPU upgrade would make it perform a lot better in games. I use a 1660 super and it doesn't really hold up in 1440p sadly. Probably gonna wait for some big price drops in the future with the current cards.

@TrusteftTech

4 ай бұрын

@@micksterminator3 I don't do overclocking. Never have, never will. That's how I am. The 1660 Super is still tolerable, though yes obviously is not the top of the line to say the least. Having a 1440p monitor isn't very helpful either. I don't see me buying even a cheap GPU in the future, the whole being poor thing, but if you can do it certain do so. Funny thing is I find the system performance more problematic with video editing than with games. Anything over 1080p is troublesome at times. It doesn't help that I use an older version of Vegas (technically Vegas Studio 17, the last proper Studio based on Vegas), which has a tendency to crash when using the GPU for the workload. Anyway, thanks for the reply.

@M419.99

4 ай бұрын

@@TrusteftTech the 1660S is still a very capable card, just need to focus on upping the CPU and you're good to go 🤝

Damn you ETA!!!! I already have the Asrock mini 300 with the Ryzen 5700g and 64g or ram and I also have a beelink mini with the Ryzen 7 6800H and 32g of ram... I love these mini PCs... I love gaming without a loud fan blowing.... I need one of these, but I will wait until Asrock or one of the mini pc companies make a prebuilt.

SAVING THIS BUILD

I hope you receive a test unit for the new "coming soon" Deskmini X600 so you can try to fit this APU there!!!

I have that case with a 5600G, it's a killer office PC setup. The included PSU is really the trick because building the equivalent with separate case and PSU would be way much more and much larger too.

@Mosestylez

2 ай бұрын

How loud are your fans when playing games? Are they really loud or somewhat silent?

When the Strix point APUs come out this will be a bad ass little machine. I am patiently waiting for these APUs to release to buiild myself a portable PC for traveling.

@AlphaConde-qy7vi

4 ай бұрын

Strix Halo, more like.

Hey many I was also very happy when the 8000 series processor came out

Personally, I truly love the small form factor to fit on your desk, and looks super clean and nice. However, your right mid towers add for more growth and expansion to create a better system. Well done!!!

That’s impressive!

wish we had this case + the ability to throw a 120mm aio along with a pair of 80mm fans on the top

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that you can remove the shroud of the stock cooler and it should fit in that case.

Nice! Next challenge: an ITX SFF passive (or at least silent) build.

This will be great when I goes on sale 😄

I'm gonna pick this chip this year!

I love this so much

Thank you for finally remembering these form factor cases lol I actually just got back my original ISK-110 custom build lol it was an a8-7600 with a 120mm cooler master low profile heatsink I had to mod the side mesh for and also had to use a 150w pico psu lol I also integrated a usb tv tuner and an Xbox 360 controller wireless receiver all built into the isk-110 lol before the first Bluetooth Xbox controller lol along with an SSD and a 2tb ;) lol it was one heck of a build back in the day and is now basically worthless because of the fm2+ platform even though it has one heck of a motherboard still lol

Please make a video showing emulation performance, like a pc to have in your living room to play some older games.

@tornadoman25

4 ай бұрын

Usually the emulation videos are next after the build videos bro just check back soon maybe next week.

@greatwavefan397

4 ай бұрын

Especially PS3 emulation! It can take advantage of the eight cores and AVX-512 instructions.

@ChrisRz

4 ай бұрын

@@greatwavefan397 yeah man i really would like to see how it handles god of war 3

Would love if you made a pcpartpicker list with these parts.

Such a cool little box. Chuck steam OS on it and it's basically a console.

3:19 I was startled thinking someone was knocking on my door lol

Your videos inspired me to do a Ryzen 7700 (not the X as the 3% loss isn’t worth the 75% more peak power draw) and 4060 build (over a 8700g). I’m just waiting on the case from AliExpress. Fantastic emulation machine but also 1080p ultra for the living room.

Nice Video !! Can u tell me which parts u bought for that build ? I know u show them but a list would be better,to build it,too :)

How about a side by side comparison between the 8700G SFF build and one of the tiny 7940HS systems?

Hi , nice vid and build , i keep wandering what wallpaper is that ? I haven't been able to find it :)) Is it wallpaper engine ?

Keep in mind all this APUs are still running in "handheld" mode. Were power will fall off that is supplied to the APU over time. Its a left over from these family of APUs being installed in so many PC handhelds over the past few years. Basically to stop the handhelds melting in people's hands. AMD never removed it in these new desktop APUs. So wait until AMD fixes the issue. As far as I know they are aware of the issue.

@bzipoli

4 ай бұрын

hmm very interesting

@guyza123

4 ай бұрын

@waitwhat1320 don't get too excited, its from 4200 mhz to 4600 mhz, means nothing for gaming.

@wayward03

4 ай бұрын

@@guyza123 Not sure if ETA ran his tests long enough, but Gamers Nexus noticed this issue when testing, I believe it's called STAPM, and cuts the package power after a while to limit skin temps. I don't think it had any specific frequency range.

Would be interesting to see some undervolt + gpu overclock and ram overclock to see what kind of performance is possible.

@ETA PRIME I didn't fully get it in your video; Is the 200 Watts power delivery already shortening the full power of the components of this setup, or does the mainboard? You were saying in a normal, "full format" pc we could get better performance; is it really like that that those small factor mainboards can't handle a higher power delivery? Can you just explain it a bit more precisely to us? I mean, I'm already having a good desktop pc, but those mini PCs actually are really interesting and now with the new, way faster APUs start to make totally sense! Especially for Notebooks, to keep them light weight and power efficient, but still allowing proper gaming, it is just awesome! 😃😃😃 Might get one in the future myself! ☺️😉👌👍

Niiiiiiice i love to see it in 1L form factor like lenovo tiny thinkcentre

@ericliume

4 ай бұрын

We have Minisforum UM790 Pro or UM780 Pro.

You were so waiting for this apu for your inwin Chopin. How did you manage to install the x53 on here? New bracket?

i got the tecware phantom L & i really enjoy it so i might try the phantom elite

Got a pc with 3080 ti and recently got an Ally for travelling, but I've been playing mostly on it, im so.sutpirsed with it, if the future of gaming is integrated graphics , I'm on board, runs cheaper too 😅

Please test the 8200mhz ram kit with this apu

I bet he loves it

What about the temperatures? and about the IA stuff? generating images with stable diffusion or running llama2? liked and subscribed.

@AbhishekVerma13

Ай бұрын

I want to know AI performance as well, especially llama3 , Can you please test.

3:17 3:45 All those taps makes me think something is going on outside my room with my headphones on.

Interesting keyboard.

I would love to see how it would perform as a home server

I got this same mobo with my 7800x3d, i would love to run a small case like this, but got case a little bigger, that barely can fit a trinity 4080. might do another build using a case like this and use my current case as external gpu enclosure.

That indent on the left side is a misstep as that could be for cord control. Also the front USB and audio should be modular or honestly removed a a USB 3.1 hub can get the job done.

Ps4 killer You always make proud, ETA Prime

@bighousemusic628

4 ай бұрын

You mean ps5 killer pc always step on consoles

@rothein436

4 ай бұрын

@@bighousemusic628 this pc isnt half the performnce as a ps5 but sure

@bighousemusic628

4 ай бұрын

@@rothein436 bro i build and program computers you cant and will never put a gaming console with a pc bro the rams alone in this pc swallow any gaming console not to mention a dedicated gpu i wont even talk about overclocking and ai tech even any lowend pc eill smoke the ps5 or x box series

@marcopalmitessa2860

4 ай бұрын

@@bighousemusic628 you are a pc fanboy. I own a minipc with an AMD 7840HS and is not even close to a PS5/XBOXSX. Maybe, in some games, it is on par with the Series S, but only that.

@rothein436

4 ай бұрын

@bighousemusic628 The fact that the ram here is better means almost nothing in performance. You won't be able to overclock this pc because your psw is only 200 watts, and cooler isn't strong enough for cooling this. Don't understand what you said about dedicated gpu because we're talking about this pc, and he doesn't have one. Even with ai, this pc isn't close to a ps5 performance. And this pc cost more than a ps5. For 500 usd going only with new parts against a new ps5, the price to performance is similar. I have both a pc and ps5, and I use both, but saying that a pc with 780m (equal to 1650) Is better than ps5 (equal to 6700) straight-up ridiculous I'm sorry

I would like to see a ChimeraOS video if possible

@vsuarezp

4 ай бұрын

Yes please!!! Show us ChimeraOS running on that thing

hello, test the Honeywell PTM7950 thermal pad as much as you can on such a small PC and share the temperature results, thx

I'd have loved to see some comparisons with mini pc's and low power discreet GPUs'

@Bob_Smith19

4 ай бұрын

Cooling alone is a reason to not use a mini-pc. They are very noisy under load. And you’re limited to whatever laptop cooler they use on it. So there’s no repair path when the cooler does fail, which it will.

This is very tempting, but I am going to wait for the Halo Strix Point apu with 40 cu igpu.

the prices included on the parts and some Blender LTS & newest builds tests would be cool too .. thx...

@MeatNinja

4 ай бұрын

Prices change all the time and vary wildly based on region

Your monitor is incredibly smooth. Im shocked

Is there any video on how installs Windows and the usual games for all these builds? I'm sure he must have a sysprep'd image of some kind.

can you post a photo of this next to a series s? the smaller, the better, only if consoles were still similar to ps2 slim size.

amazng i like it👍👍

what are the ram speeds? is the MSI motherboard stable with 7400mhz of the ram? there were issues like BOSD and longer boot times with regards to that specific motherboard when EXPO is enabled. That is my only issue with that specific motherboard. Otherwise performance of the 8700G is superb. Great for starting to build for while saving up for a GPU

check the VRM and mobo vrm for ram are not overheating and cycling to throttle / then the gpu on cpu die will start ai improving EVERYTHING

i wanna see this running steamOS. feel like that would be a good match for a travel pc and a control

Not blown away with the performance tbh, I was expecting more.

@eloikmorissette8897

4 ай бұрын

You can only gain so much performance using the 780m igpu for the second generation in a row... Advertising at its best since the only stronger component over the 7900hs (although a mobile chip) is the cpu side of the APU

APUs are the future!!!

not too bad for a HTPC/Server that you can do light gaming on, either. And that chip's iGPu can still be useful even with an Nvidia dGPU in Linux. my 1080ti does not seem to like encoding in HVEC, which would make ALVR work well (on top of the frame boost from offloadng encoding)

What about using an AMD Instinct MI25 to boost the mathématical process in a mid tower build ?

In Cyberpunk. Could it be that you showing the base fps, and not the AFMF fps? From my knowledge the motion smoothing fps numbers only show up in AMDs overlay so far. Unless there's a new update to MSI Afterburner that I am unaware of.

Please include "3dmark wildlife extreme" in your next benchmark.

ETA Prime: Reviews products as an advertisements shows all the pros but never the cons or alternatives.

@gandalfthegreet

4 ай бұрын

Wait you forgot about using all the most expensive and unnecessary parts😂

@jwonyoutube

4 ай бұрын

Good wholesome stuff without the ragebait other channels peddle for reaction clicks

@thelockster6321

4 ай бұрын

What alternatives? The ryzen 5 8600g? Intel has nothing competitive... The cons are that it is an apu build...

@markmontes007

3 ай бұрын

​@@gandalfthegreet May I know the cons? I'm contemplating on building a small form factor gamin pc myself. Thanks!

@Kevin-vh6nn

3 ай бұрын

@markmontes007 There's really only 2 cons for the 8600g "not sure about the 8700g". 1. It's 16 PCIe and only 4 lanes, meanwhile the last amd 7000 series were 24 PCIe and 5 lanes, down the road when you get a good new video card you'll prob want 24 PCIe. 2. Insane people who play AAA games 6 hours in a row say the 8600g gets really hot and possible game crashes. But that's their fault bc anybody with a sane logical brain would never game over 4 hours straight on a integrated graphics card Honestly I'm half tempted to get a 8600g right now bc I just play skyrim and emulators amd waiting on elder scrolls 6. Just go to KZread and search "24 PCIe vs 16 PCIe" It's really personal choice and how much $ you have... hardcore gamers will scream you need 24 PCIe, and that's not true

Almost three up when I heard the 200W psu. Please upgrade for way more performance

how you finding the ram stability? i saw the ram is not on the MSI memory QVL list.

Would like a usb4 slot on motherboard to connect this to a docking station, for easy swap with work laptop :) might not even need a power suply then?

could you take the psu out of the computer case to make it external and put an AIO in there?

Why wasn't the cooling noise measured and how much current the mini kit draws when at rest.

Cyberpunk 2077 running at 70+fps is amazing for an iGPU. Great work by AMD research team.

@GlobalWave1

2 ай бұрын

True… I’m running cyberpunk 2077 on my M2 Max laptop through crossover with cxpatcher and at mostly max settings on 4k with upscaling on. I’m getting around 50-70 and that’s on an iGPU running non native. I can max out the settings at 4k upscaling with metal getting around 70-90fps on resident evil village and Re4 remake. I’ve seen some people getting just below a 4090 mobile GPU on some native run Mac games.

@chaz-e

2 ай бұрын

@@GlobalWave1 which iGPU your laptop has

try to put more vram to the igpu throught the bios

what is the temp and fps tracker software u run or any other u can recommend?

I've always loved this case but found it really sad that they don't have (as far as i know) a version with two slot GPU bracket :/

I want to see this with water-cooling, overclocking, & the fastest ram possible. I know someone just did 10,400 mhz ram with this chip, but they didn't release gaming benchmarks at that speed.

Look at all those Daedric arrows.

Would buy if any manufacturer made an AIO touchscreen 27 with this chip. And maybe egpu capability

Do you think the noctua fat low profile cooler would fit in this case ??

a use case for this kinda setup i can imagine is to plug into my TV and use instead of cable Television

I wonder what the BD790i from MinisForum would so in this case? The 7945hx on a mini ITX Mobo?

this is amazing as a 1080 p person I would love to build this and its so small and i can carry it without breaking my back lol

Please include noise test.

@xquang2863

4 ай бұрын

I think that Thermalright's fan are acceptable noise. And if it are very loud for you to accept, you can change it to Noctua fan. (IDK if the PSU fan are loud or not, but we can change it to Noctua too so don't worry about noise). 😊

I do wonder what kind of GPU performance would be the equivalent of this APU. I also do wonder if it would be possible to use a dedicated low-end GPU that does not require additional power and if that would be faster. And of course - it is a matter of time for Minis Forum to release a new Mobo with this CPU/APU.

@zilverman7820

4 ай бұрын

1650 is better than the igpu so somewhere betweek 1050 ti - 1650. The only problem with this apu is the cost of the platform you need a faster ram which is expensive. I think am4 like r5 5600x with rx6600 or rtx 3060 is a better choice.

@moleyboy9650

4 ай бұрын

It seems similiar in speed to my 2400g and 1050 ti set up.