I've heard these were captured from an SS Colonel by the same GI who shot down a German fighter plane with a BAR, was attacked by Tiger tanks, and then Patton rolled up in a Jeep to congratulate him.

I suspect there may have been more of these buckles made than we've been led to believe. I only say this because when I was a kid one of my Dad's employees, who had been an Army field artilleryman in Europe during WWII, told me his unit had captured a German officer who was wearing one. He recited the incident to me sometime between the mid 1960s to early 1970s. He was not a gun collector, so I doubt he'd ever read about them, nor did he have any reason to make up the story. As I recall, he said the one they acquired had a lanyard running under the officer's coat and down the coat sleeve. It was designed so when he raised his hands to surrender, he could pull the lanyard and the unit would pop open and fire.

If you assume these to be real.., no I don't.

@remko1238

2 жыл бұрын

ik denk ook van niet

@brittakriep2938

2 жыл бұрын

Also in german arms magazins it is doubted, that this objects are real.

"Dragon Man" has a military museum in Colorado, he has a couple of those. You should check out his video on them, his are serial numbered. if I find the video I will post a link for you Tom.

@xkmendlt4290

2 жыл бұрын

Dragon man has serial # 1

@sgtrock5273

2 жыл бұрын

@Era Fascista well, he does have allot of his facts incorrect, maybe not full of shot but close.

@2mnyshp

2 жыл бұрын

Hês got a lot of fake stuff to display.

@darrellenglish2704

2 жыл бұрын

Museum of Crap more Junk per square foot then you can crame in

@thomaswhiteman4261

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I should go visit

I used to see these buckles at Gun Shows in the 1970s. Most of them were not for sale but they were cool to look at.

I missed one of these by about two weeks, from a seller of memorabilia. He said you needed a low ATF tax stamp, and he sold it for $150. But that was over 50 years ago, when SS daggers were $75 for enlisted & $250 for the chained officer model.

@shintokatana17

2 жыл бұрын

😭

Have these not already been discredited as fantasy pieces by just about every reputable historian?

@johnmcgovern5372

2 жыл бұрын

Yes they have....

@thomaswhiteman4261

2 жыл бұрын

Great. Would love to get that information. I've been searching for 2 weeks. Please provide a name or an article by one of these historians. I'm seeking the truth !

@horace5842

Жыл бұрын

@@thomaswhiteman4261 The truth is, that every buckle looks different, are poorly made out of modern materials. And the eagle on front.... It's a poor reproduction of metal hat eagle. And even not all of these, supposedly SS buckles, have correct ss eagle on them...

@TimeTraveler-eu4gm

7 ай бұрын

@@thomaswhiteman4261 I have made a video on the first model (it started as a revolver) of this special weapon and plan to do a second part on the development as a pistol, too. Btw. Most of the pistols are fake. 99% to be exact. I will show originals in the second part.

I could definitely see Maxwell Smart running one of these. Of course the use of such weapon would be followed by his catchphrase "missed it by that much".

@DANTHETUBEMAN

2 жыл бұрын

Maxshwell smart, you fired 4 rounds, , no 3! No 4,,, no 3 look BANG! Now 4,, oh max.

"I want to believe" but for fake memorabilia instead of aliens.

@Thecompanioncrate

2 жыл бұрын

Aww hell sorry if i come off negative, its understandable a viewer sent it to you and you dont want to thrash them when they have offered a generous opportunity. Love the chance to see another up close, good video.

Like usual, that is so COOL!! Very neat the way it works. If it weren't for you, we would probably never see one of these. Thanks for sharing.

Tom,Tom,Tom……..these have been debunked for years. Obviously real but posts WW2.

@thomaswhiteman4261

2 жыл бұрын

Bill, would love to see the article or the debunkers evidence. I read a heck of a lot on them. And everyone I read says we can't prove they are real, and we cant prove they are fake. Looking for evidence one way or the other. So far I have heard "everyone knows..."

SS men would not be advertising they were in the ss if they were trying to hide their involvement in the organization at the end of the war. Also one of the sold ss buckles you showed has a Wehrmacht eagle. All of the important ss men of the war were never captured with or reported to have had these. Dont be a salesman for Walter Kanzler.

@brittakriep2938

2 жыл бұрын

Also in german arms magazins it is doubted, that this objects are real.

@militariareview208

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you ~ for saying what I was thinking

I can't imagine myself putting my hands up to surrender then reaching for my belt, as a member of the SS, and not getting my head turned into a pink mist. I've heard that the allies were told to shoot SS members even if they did surrender so I just don't see that working

I like this channel which is why it pains me that he actually fell for this.

@thomaswhiteman4261

2 жыл бұрын

Never said it was real. Showed you a gun and real a letter from someone who say it looked real. But I never said I thought it was real. I certainly would not authenticate the gun as I have no idea who made it.... and I suspect neither do you.

@teutonalex

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomaswhiteman4261 Understood. It just came across as strongly suggestive of an opinion of authenticity. Your clarification is certainly in line with your expertise.

Weren’t these deemed as fantasy garbage?

I prefer these to be in the hands of private collectors than somewhere like the Arlington museum where guns have to be permanently deactivated and even knives must have their edges dulled! (I'm not saying these institutions don't do good work in other ways, but some of their govt mandated requirements cause a degree of physical history to be lost)

Surprised Wild Bill Donavan didn’t adopt a poison tipped projectile version for the OSS.

with modern metals and polymers that could be super well made and light today.

Walk-in Wednesday? More like Waffen Wednesday! :D Love your videos.

@julijusnavickas5354

2 жыл бұрын

You need this while catching pedos

My Father Born 1913 He told me about 1 He have seen That workd with Shoulder Belt and open when rise your Hands up... in the War WW2 so They exist still in That Time so NO Fake at All... Tnx to Show That.

Tom, great video first of all! I’ve been watching your videos for a while now…I have also been collecting vintage ammunition for a while…probably 10 years or so; I would absolutely love to see some video content on ammo that you come across in your line of work, or wherever you might run across it. Hopefully you see this and are willing to give it a shot. Thank you kind sir!

The down folding buckle you have seems more mechanically logical, in that you get a gravity assist from the faceplates weight. However it does seem larger and more clunky that the others. It has no markings so it could be a proto type.

Even if this was a genuine article, it would have been way better to do it with a grenade, like the Japanese did.

@thomaswhiteman4261

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

Most MOST informative, interesting and entertaining, thank you kindly ~ from southern tip of ZA.

Maxwell Smart would certainly have insisted on the cone of silence for such a top secret weapon. And...thank you for wheezy laugh at 1:02...Made me laugh too...Ha!

They even had a linkage system to the arm, so if you raise your arm that thing would go off- i read that in a german article.

What about the shells boincing in and out of the chamber? What kept them from rattling back and forth?

Very interesting device, obviously very high quality.

James Bond stuff! Actually, I think more ‘In Like Flint’!

I worked part time for a gun dealer here in the UK who had the flip up type belt buckle pistol shown. It was sold at auction for around £300 in or around 1980. I unfortunately don't remember if it had any proof or Waffenampt markings. At the time I was told the Russians made copies post WWII !

You may have the original prototype. Once approved for manufacture, the production models would be serial numbered.

another reason maybe is if you got into a hand to hand fight with an enemy and you are wrestling without weapons, that belt will save you

@moc6897

2 жыл бұрын

... Holy Moses! I'm sure you are a close combat expert ...

@paulhealy5245

2 жыл бұрын

Clown 😂

@jimmyalamo839

2 жыл бұрын

@@moc6897 uh im not, it just makes sense if your body is pointing to another body. id atleast try.

@TimeTraveler-eu4gm

7 ай бұрын

@@jimmyalamo839 That`s exactly what this weapon was about. I released a video on the predecessor of this gun and share the same opinion.

the WW2 museum that use to be in Natick Ma. had one of these on display

That certificate of authenticity is a fake unfortunately. Look at the way this “professional” company spelt “Christie’s auction house”. They spelt it incorrectly as “Christy’s”. That speaks volumes

Dragonman from colorado has the number one serial numbered buckle.the first buckle ever made.

I'm going to start remaking these myself, with different designs on the buckles.

i've heard the neighborhood of 500 were originally made during WW2! and Lewis Marque could in fact have had German citizenship Germany held the frog province of Alace Lorraine from the Franco Prussian war til the treaty of Versaille!

Thank you!

Dragonman in Colorado Springs has one of those in his museum. It is one of the star attractions.

Great video

Great video!

Do you have any really bad shaped but functional pistols that maybe a disabled, but lover of historical items could purchase? I had a decent but small collection years ago but due to disability had to sell all, and it broke my heart. Since then, I've saved what little I could, which is not much to buy something. A rough PPK or the like or rough radom would be awesome, I probably won't hear from you, but I thought I'd try. You never know I thought there might be something you have kicking around that was junk to you but treasure to me. I love your videos and would die to see your collection. All the best.

What a fun one for range day haha

Really good Video! Greeting from Germany!🇩🇪

Whether these are real or fantasy pieces, ( which they probably are) I still enjoyed the video.

Better than a Gucci belt.

It would be fascinating if these could be proved genuine but I suspect not, I live in the UK and have worked in the gun trade for a long time and even with our strict gun laws I have personaly seen two of these and have heard of more from other licensed dealers.. Both the ones I laid eyes on had SS stampings and date markings.. Cool none the less

WOW....What a deal....Thanks

Now you need that one from Inglorious Basterds, the one punch gun

Very interesting… things that hold your pants up!

reminds me of the gun from the movie From dusk till dawn

From Dusk to Dawn, great movie and belt buckle. LOL

you could write a check for all your money and give it to unicef and someone would say you used the wrong color ink. love your videos. always so informative.

Please note Tom , Dragon man has one of those buckle ?

is that considered a gun in usa according to the atf ?

Heinrich Himmler? Why did you throw up a picture of the actor, Donald Pleasense?

man thats so cool

It would be highly likely that you would be mowed down for trying to use it but you could be lucky and get one or two of them first!!

Dragonman has one piece in his museum

The cap badge pattern eagles been applied squinted not likely even if the buckle was wartime made…..which it wasn’t…

Cool intro! It wouldn't surprise me if they all looked different so they weren't immediately identifiable.

Has anyone ever fired one? Lot of comments saying they're fake. I'm just wondering if they function.

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

8 ай бұрын

Ian McCollum has an article on his site where he talked with someone who claims to have owned and fired a bunch of these (and he had pictures). By that account, they all worked very poorly, often failing to fire.

That thing kind of reminds me of the fem-bots in Austin Powers with the machine gun boobs.

I would be happy to hear you say SOLDIER...........followed with SOLDER. ?

I love walk-in Wednesdays!

Made in Poland ( Sanok ). The case was made from a tank amo shell.

@jglo5192

2 жыл бұрын

In Poland ?? Any more information about it ?? Where I can See it or buy it

I can’t see what holds the rounds in place before the barrels swing out to fire. Is there something that secures them when the lid is closed?

@hgghgguk

2 жыл бұрын

yeah friction

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

8 ай бұрын

There actually isn't, these guns very often fail to fire if you try them out.

Dragonmans buckle is made of sterling silver.

Brings a new meaning to "Wanna bang?"

I am just trying to figure out how much trouble that's going to cause me if I wear (or even own) that belt buckle gun in the UK🤣

@johnmcgovern5372

2 жыл бұрын

Same as if you carry any other firearm. UK law describes a firearm as something like "Any barrelled weapon capable of discharging a shot". It'd be impossible to licence either as it falls well below minimum size requirements too.

@smilergrogan1452

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnmcgovern5372 Just as well! I gave up with shooting back in the 1980's when the almost 'gentlemanly' approach to owning firearms was pushed aside by a more aggressive attitude as typified in a certain UK magazine at the time. I'd been to one of the Bisley pistol meets with my father and one of his friends - both saw action in WW2 - and they commented to me they would rather face the enemy again instead of some of the 'equipment' laden clowns parading around. (Trying not to alienate any classes of shooting here. . . )

@johnmcgovern5372

2 жыл бұрын

@@smilergrogan1452 I've had a shotgun certificate for 20+ years since my early 20's and I'm seriously thinking of getting rid of it. As you say the shooting community has changed, I had one because I grew up on a farm. Now people are getting certs for "shooting sports" which includes targets with shotguns that are basically designed to look and work like military shotguns. Add to that the fact that people are getting burgled for their guns and it just doesn't feel like something I want to have around anymore. They used to be a tool in this country but not any longer...

@r.shanethompson7933

4 ай бұрын

I really don't get you limey brits. You'd rather NOT have a gun when a burglar comes into your home. Kindness of strangers I guess.

I red this were made as a last resort weapon long before war finished, but this information didn't come from reliable source. SS guys would have to be very stupid to surrender or try avoiding it and then use .22 from their buckle; it is like asking for torture. I didn't understand what he wanted to say about missing markings; if gun was marked and markings scraped we have several methods forensics use to recover any missing markings like serial numbers previously on the gun. They do it by some kind of roentgen machine exposing changes deep inside metal.

What year was Toms dad in the German military?

@zeppelin5000

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, he wasn’t. It was a joke.

@thomaswhiteman4261

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry. Just a joke from a previous video

The only one ive ever seen is at dragonmans museum! very cool you got one!

@TheArizonan

2 жыл бұрын

Dragonman loves buying fakes his museum is full of them. You could put a swastika on a ice cube and he would buy it and tell everyone its "80yr old nazi ice and still frozen."

👍

Dragonman doesn't like messing with the one he has because they are so rare. It's just like the one you show Tom. I think Dragonman said they were made for Hitler bodyguards. He has it in his WW2 Museum. I'm going to try getting a close look at it next time I go.

@Robert-em5qp

2 жыл бұрын

But the one of dragon man is silver . I was wondering if one of them can be fake.

Man how are you guys falling for this fantasy post war garbage embracing … these are post war fantasy Items made in the 50s and 60s. W. Elberfeld received a four-page patent in 1935 for a belt buckle pistol but it is nothing like this and never got out of the design phase ! these are laughable !

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

8 ай бұрын

Probably more of these were made over the years.

The "Floyd Rose" of guns

5:00 As well as normal citizen in fear of the red army. Like in the city of Demmin.

Dragonmans buckle has 3 barrels

Dragonman has one.

I have 3 bullet version..

Cool....not quite as cool as Sex Machine's groin gun....but pretty cool....plus thoughts along the line of..."I vill only surrender to your shortest two soldiers...."

Where they would have been able to shoot you with that is cruel

these and the FP-45 Liberator were two of the most interesting weapons to come out of WWII, hopefully I can afford the Liberator one day

@noth606

2 жыл бұрын

this is not a WW2 gun, it is a post war fake.

Hard to keep your pants up with the weight

This video should be enough proof of Caveat Emptor when dealing with this clown.

@thomaswhiteman4261

2 жыл бұрын

Education only. Nothing for sale

Youu’re “guessing” your father was a german soldier?

LOL that was great

U said u had to suck in ur stomach with the buckle on but to me it definitely complimented you're body. I would've never known u were sucking in lol

Because no one would stick an SS cap eagle on the front of a buckle..and espacially a fake one.Look at every buckle in the TR period all have purposeful designs not some borrowed slapped on insignia from a cap.So contrived it's laughable.

Chi è qui per giannandrea?

Total and utter fantasy item.

These where manufactured for the protection of AH

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

8 ай бұрын

They weren't.

Hilarious.

Dragonman has #0001 of these

Uber rare

Algorithm food

This is not original...

super rare and fake...

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2 ай бұрын

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