My dad had a shaper back in the mid 80s we went down to Denver to pick it up. He had made his own cherry picker and it was so heavy the back strap broke right off. Had to get a tow truck crane come in to unload it off his trailer. When he passed in 96 I wanted his shop, but my family said no we want the money. Any way I watched it cut many times. It was a marvelous piece of equipment. Every thing sold at auction, I do not remember what that sold for. He had a surface grinder, a lathe, a mill, I used them all for something he needed. I miss him and his shop. Thanks for bringing back the memory of his shop. Lee

@mrpete222

3 жыл бұрын

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You were right Mr Pete. I have not seen anywhere on how to set up the clapper box properly. I used to have an Alba 2B but no longer unfortunately. Thank you.

Hi Mr Pete, great video, lots of good content. I love using my 7" Boxford shaper - when I'm not in a hurry! I like the quicker pace of this video, some of your older videos are are quite slowly paced and I can't always find time to see them through. This is absolutely not a criticism, just my personal observation, your videos are a goldmine to the self taught hobby machinist like myself. Regards Paul in NZ

You never know what people will learn from your videos. Me? Arrows painted on shaft indicating proper direction to turn the wheel when checking setup. Arrows = one less thing to remember. Genius! Thanks Mr. Pete!

This was a good primer for shaper use. You touched on several things Abom didn't really cover. Thanks!

Definitely appreciate the difference setups and explanations on the shaper.

@mrpete222

6 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

I used my milling machine this week to drill a Series of 3/4” holes in a in a piece of 3/4 “ plate. The DRO makes life easy getting the spacing all correct by using the linear function. Sure takes the work out of the layout process. I really enjoy your videos, you are an awesome teacher.

Thank you Mr. Pete. I always enjoy seeing a shaper work.

Just picked up a small shaper on craigslist. After seeing this video I have a list of projects I’d like to make. Thanks again for the great explanation.

Mr Pete, I always enjoy learning from you in every lesson that you provide. Please keep up your teaching. We all can learn a lot from you. Sincerely, Scott

@mrpete222

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Just watching a video of yours from about a decade ago. Glad you're still making videos. I'll be subscribing.

All great uses of the shaper. Thanks Lyle for sharing.

good morning Mr. Pete, Nice sunday morning shop class.

Great video Mr. Pete. Packed full of info.

Thank you Mr Pete. I learned a lit of good practices. As I watch you working with the round stock on the side, I thought that would be a good way to put a slot or a tang on a shafts of a driven part. Thanks again.

Made my Sunday. Thanks, Mr. Pete! :-)

As usual very well explained and practical 👍👍😁

It appears this would be be a good way to machine a v-notch in the end of round stock. Thanks for the video. Really shows how handy a mill truly is.

Interesting information about the clapper box angle but it makes perfect sense for tool bit clearance! I have never seen a sharper ( no industry in my area) Thanks for all the years of GREAT VIDEOS!

Excellent job as usual Mr Pete, I'm just doing some square ends on a batch of vintage motorcycle Webb girder fork spindles! Using my Elliott 10M shaper

Great episode! I really enjoyed it. Thank you for posting

Thanks Mr. Pete...someday I hope to get mine running..

I wanted a shaper for a long time and ended up with two of them in a short time. One stays set up for key slots, the second one keeps the first one company. They are best friends.

@mrpete222

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome

I feel like i need a shaper now, thanks mr pete!

Thank you for the education Mr Pete

THANK YOU...for sharing. Enjoyed.

Shouldn't you use a B&S Indicator on a B&S vise? LOL 8:20 A: I learned that in Hi School Machine Shop. The straight line striation finish is much more aesthetically pleasing than the swirl of a vertical mill cutter. 21:25 No harm in reiterating points to keep from damaging the machine. DEFINITELY ENJOYED THE VIDEO. I love Shapers of any size. Good Lord willing, I will see you next time.

Brian from Ma.You were the first to show me a lot THANK you for your time Besafe

Thanks, I like these fast paced videos. Lots of great stuff packed into a few minutes! Setting the clapper at an angle to get more clearance on the back stroke was a revelation.

@mrpete222

3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear!

Morning, Lyle. Tram Tram master easy peasy cover girl!!

I truly enjoy when you make educational videos.

@mrpete222

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

Thanks for an interesting shaper video.

Thank you Lyle !

Great video Mr Pete! 25 minutes of must see for some one wanting to get into shapers. Big Thumbs Up Mr Pete! Thanks for all your insight? 👍😎🇺🇸

@mrpete222

3 жыл бұрын

Very welcome

Great video!!!!

They definite are an interesting machine just slow. And knowing the right type of tool cutter would be a benefit.

Happy Sunday Mr Pete

Really valuable to see this. I am restoring a Logan shaper and am in the process of learning to use it. Seeing your demonstration is better than reading.

@mrpete222

3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic!

great video as always....

I am rating you 10 out of 10 for these basic tips.... but I'm also adding another point for today's assistant, Shoppe Crickett. So you scored 11 out of 10! It's nice to hear that cricket while we're in the dead of winter.

Yea! Shaper Sunday😁

Nice video Lyle ! Thank you.. Joe

Such a versatile machine! You, sir, are a Master of all machining! Have shown me, and many others, thee precise ideosyncrocies of precision machining. Damned best shop teacher of all time. SERIOUSLY! Ready for the Bridgeport tramming videos! Have done it, but still an aggravation. My Bridgeport is old and loose. Could use some TLC.

@mrpete222

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for the kind compliment

My 14 inch Steptoe shaper has a feature that allows key seating of large diameter shafts of any length directly through the center of the machine.. Cheers from Louisiana.. Mike

There an nice Atlas 7B Shaper here in TX on CL. But having to pass after our purchase Saturday on a nice 1942 LeBlond Regal and another column mill with DRO and power X feed. After your SB and now this Rhodes, sure wish I could swing buying the Atlas. Thx Lye for sharing the set up on the Rhodes.

@mrpete222

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe next year

@bearsrodshop7067

3 жыл бұрын

If our SB 9c or ENCO Mill, quickly, I can go pick it up. It really looks to be in great condition and was sent a 10min video of it working. Thx Pete.

Great tutorial

Really enjoyed this video

@mrpete222

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Good video of how to set and use a shaper.

I wonder if you could make a power down feed by modifying a ratchet wrench to drive the downfeed lead screw, putting a slot in the handle for your feed adjust, then having an adjustable tie bar back to somewhere stationary. The tie bar would have to be telescopic and stroke adjustable as well.

Shaper magic! I bet there was a brass tag attached with a rivet that had a witness line at one time to properly indicate the degrees.

thank you l like seeing machinery in action, l saw you do a square hole without a broach and watching you do the square on the end of the round stock l wondered how they do the internal square on socket set extentions, can the shaper do that or is it done with a broach

interesting, thanks for shear

"wrong way corrigan" I had to find out the backstory on that quote. I found it and it's very interesting.

@51-FS

3 жыл бұрын

Im sure not many people got that one

I'm watching because I Just bought a S B 7inch..Haven't used one in 30 years. G&G 16inch

@mrpete222

4 ай бұрын

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6:00. Use a shear tool. Even when hand feeding the finish is very good.

Love the video. Just a thought the next time you want to demonstrate down feeding on the backstroke when you were cutting vertically, slow the video down so that the action can clearly be seen as feeding down on the backstroke of the cut.

Wrong way Korrigan for some reason was huge in the Canadain Navy (R.C.N). my Dad used it often but did not know its lineage. Cheers

That side of the table setup would be nice if you wanted a non slip checkering on the end of a piece of round stock

A little Mr. Pete before church .... :)

@jennawildah6514

3 жыл бұрын

Yeesss!!

@bestfriendhank1424

3 жыл бұрын

Hopefully, you also had some fresh brewed coffee along for the class. Thank god that Mr Peter allows food and drink in the classroom.

@jennawildah6514

3 жыл бұрын

@@bestfriendhank1424 But of course! Glad you told me, I was sneaking sips when Mr P. wasn't looking😉🤭. Hope to see you in class next Sunday.🔬🧰😊

Totally OK if you go long...Appreciate it!

I used to have a Perfecto hand shaper, about as much use as a chocolate tea pot. Lots of effort and the deflection was so bad it had no precision. We've got a large traveling head shaper at work, still used occasionally. If I was a millionaire I'd probably try and get a slotting machine, if they haven't all been scrapped. You mentioned that some people don't have a lathe, how do they manage? It would be like living without an arm.

A lot of us don’t have any machinery. I just got my 1st floor drill press

gracias por su explicación, de la inclinación del portaherramientas, aunque ya lo sabia me cuesta mucho trabajo entender la geometría del retroceso, gracias, mi cepillo es un Sanches Blanes

Makes me want to seek out a small, inexpensive shaper to put in my garage just to mess around with!

@onehot57

3 жыл бұрын

Be careful buying a “ inexpensive “ shaper?

@shawnhuk

3 жыл бұрын

I sincerely wish you luck on inexpensive. I spent 4 or 5 years keeping my ear to the ground for a shaper till a 1915 D McKenzie 16” popped up locally for $375. But I had to do a full rebuild on it before I could ever consider making chips. (Which it does quite well now).

@stuartdixon9552

3 жыл бұрын

It's the best file I've ever owned!

Rummer around the shop has it. The only thing you can't make on the shaper is profit.

I have never seen a shaper in actual commercial use nor have I ever talked to anyone who has. There must have been a time years ago when these were being manufactured and used. You have shown several different models in the 7 inch range and Abom at least two or more large ones. I guess we could say Abom is a commercial user. It seems like school shops at one time had them and taught their use. Was there a time when factories had a rooms full of these things working all day long? There seems to be a resurgence in interest among the hobby KZread community. They used to make things with a shaper, now you entertainment with it. I hope a hobbyist would spend their money on more versatile conventional machines like lathe, mill... before buying a time waster like a shaper. When were shapers in their hay day? When did they fall from favor and quit building them?

@billoxley5315

3 жыл бұрын

I have owned a shaper for over 30 years. Yes,they are slow,however, if youneed an internal profile, they are hard to beat. Simple cheap lathe tooling is cheap. And you can grind literally any profile you can dream up. For me ,I wouldn't be without mine. One of my most prized tools.

@bwyseymail

3 жыл бұрын

I think the Bridgeport was the final nail in the coffin for shapers.

@hilltopmachineworks2131

3 жыл бұрын

@@bwyseymail Yeah once the vertical mill came along the shaper became less used machine.

@johnyoungquist6540

3 жыл бұрын

@@billoxley5315 Do you have a home shop or commercial facility? How often do you use it? Do you use it instead of a faster process like milling? I don't question their utility, I question their productivity and their practicality. Like a lot of specialized things when you need it nothing else will do. Or if you have no other way then you use it. A wire EDM is a good example, it will do amazing things with amazing precision but it is slow and costly to run so I don't use it where a drill or end mill will do the job. I cut the occasional key way almost always with a broach or end mill. If the part is outrageously hard or otherwise challenging I will EDM it or waterjet it. Even though I have fancy ways to do things I will go for the fastest and simplest one first. What I don't get is when some one shapes a flat surface in an hour or two when a face mill would take a minute or two. Entertainment I guess. I have been around the machine trade for 40+ years not as a machinist but I have done lots of machining of many kinds. I have known about shapers for a long time but never saw one in use until recently on KZread. They are strangely fascinating in operation albeit simplistic if not primitive. Given the number of different makes and models they must of sold well at one time. I wonder who made the last one?

@624Dudley

3 жыл бұрын

John - for what it’s worth, on a visit to the Starrett factory I saw a batch of Mikron shapers busily nibbling away at gear sectors used in dial indicators. I don’t know whether the Mikron people call such machines shapers or not, but there was no mistaking the back and forth motion of a form tool over a workpiece. The machines were sized for tiny parts, and perhaps therefore could stroke at speeds so high they were just a blur.

I've heard of shapers, but never seen one before. I thought they had something to do with woodworking. I am curious as to why someone would use a shaper as opposed to a milling machine, such as a Bridgeport.

Been looking for a small shaper for a while, with having several, what would you recommend and or prefer?

While facing the end might be more easily done in a lathe, cutting a notch or "V" in the end of a shaft would be a good shaper job if no mill was available.

Make me want a shaper

Any experience with a gear hob, or is it just a glorified shaper? Been over 50 years since I've even seen one. Never seen one in operation. Seems like it had an indexing function of sorts. Can't find any info on it, but figured you would know.

Just right

Parabéns pelo vídeo 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷

@mrpete222

10 ай бұрын

Thanks

Good morning

Morning sir

Why isn't the bit turned 90 degrees to cut a wide chip? I would expect to see a cleaner finish, assuming the the bit is square to the work.

Will share with my Logan but won’t tell I have been seeing a Rhodes shaper on the side

@mrpete222

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

How to makers an Acme thread.

thanks for the instruction, shapers are such nice tools. I have an atlas, wish I had one like Adam's.

I assumed to keep from hitting the material on the back stroke, right!

@debeeriz

3 жыл бұрын

the clapper lifts the cutter on the back stroke

Were these small shapers ever used in production applications or were they simply hobby and novelty machines?

@davidcat1455

3 жыл бұрын

Shapers built America. So no they weren’t” novelty “machines.

WOW.... can this machine do anything special other than a regular manual mill? this looks time consuming, this must be an antique machine.

one day ill find me a shaper.

Hello there Mr.Pete, I don’t have the right phone number anymore to get ahold of you, not sure if you’ll remember but we were the first ones to sign your book and brought you the lathe sign and shipped you the big center for the dividing head, we’d like to get ahold of you, do you have an email where we could get your number?

@mrpete222

3 жыл бұрын

lislepete22@yahoo.com

Some people don't have a lathe?!

#1

@stanervin6108

3 жыл бұрын

Close!

I can see why they don’t make those anymore, nobody wants to work that hard now adays

Would make this machine illegal if I had the authority

no your the first seem school dose not teach nothing smart