I finally got my wish. Thanks TFL

A note on acceleration: the faster you floor the throttle pedal, the longer it takes Subie Turbo to recognize what you're asking for. Rolling the throttle pedal rather than a rapid "slam" will bring about much quicker response. This is true for turbo Foresters as well.

@dedclownsRfunny

Жыл бұрын

I use hand controls to drive, so I have to get someone else to test drive cars for me with me as passenger. My ex test drove a CVT Sube Levorg a couple years ago and it FELT right to me to accelerate as you describe. However trying to tell that to a (/this particular) man, was an exercise in frustration and futility 🙄🙄🙄

@sticktoyourdrums8177

Жыл бұрын

I tow a 3,000 lbs box trailer with a base model Outback. It tows fine. I find a lot of the KZread videos I’ve watched on this topic aren’t people familiar with towing techniques. Weight distribution and brakes are 80% of towing. If you have side to side motion or a jerky ride, a lot of that is the weight in the trailer not being in it ideal locations.

@sticktoyourdrums8177

Жыл бұрын

Also, I use manual shifting. Relying on full auto CVT drives me crazy when towing. That can help keep your RPMs down a bit.

@sticktoyourdrums8177

Жыл бұрын

There’s just way more to will it tow, then what has been put on a video. I tow with a non-turbo and it works just fine. You really aren’t supposed to floor it to get up to speed when towing. Just allow for extra time going places. It’s a marathon, not a sprint.

Thanks for this. I just bought the 2022 Wilderness specifically because I also bought a 2018 NuCamp T@B teardrop (1700 lbs). I got a brake controller as well, and even though I’m a complete novice trailer pulling driver it all made a lot of sense and worked and I had no concerns in my couple of trial runs with the rig. The trailer is put away fro the winter and I’m now looking forward to snow storms to enjoy the Subaru’s amazing traction (I installed Nokian winter rated tires). Our plans are for weekends in my region so I don’t think we’ll bother with upgraded suspension, etc, and will just try to load the trailer correctly for optimal weight distribution.

That tow extension is adding leverage on trailer tracking (much like a breaker bar) which could amplify stability issues.

@rik999

3 жыл бұрын

Agree that extension bar trades convenience for stability and more rear squat. The extension bar moves the articulation point of the rig away from the rear axle of the tow car. Having the articulation point over the rear axle is why gooseneck trailers are so stable. I also wonder whether that rig has enough tongue weight before that extension causes the rear of the car to bottom out.

@mmiller1188

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely the hitch extension. It's really messing up the geometry of the hitch.

@mmiller1188

3 жыл бұрын

@@mctigmctiggy1475 It's not that the tongue weight is a lot or not enough, it's that the pin is so far out that it's putting at least double the leverage both down and up on the hitch when they're hitting bumps. I went through exactly this with another car. Used a hitch extender so I could leave the popup camper attached and set it up. Towed awful. Pulled the hitch extender off and it was completely different.

@Stuka87

3 жыл бұрын

@@mctigmctiggy1475 Its a lot more than 150lbs, the axle is at the back of the trailer.

@tonyhorvatin2037

3 жыл бұрын

@@Stuka87 If that trailer is really about 2,000 lbs as he suggests, it better have a tongue weight of at LEAST 240 lbs. for proper stability. It would do a lot better with a weight distribution hitch and ditch the hitch extension. That would transfer needed weight to the front wheels for proper handling.

It’s not just the weight of the trailer… The tongue weight will influence the ride quality of the tow vehicle. Too light and it will sway all over the place. Too heavy and it will squat the back end, thus raising the front end of tow vehicle. I am waiting patiently for my CampInn Ultra 560 to be delivered in about a month. I will be towing it with a 2016 Subaru Outback. I’ve done my homework on this.

@johncrowe88512

3 жыл бұрын

I too have a 16 OB. The high tow rating matched with such a low tongue weight is a real bummer. I'm not sure where the weak point actually lies. With the body or the suspension. I've been tossing around the idea of a mild lift with stiffer rear springs but if the unibody is the failure point that won't help too much. 300-400 pounds tongue would be much more usable IMO.

@TheShift1313

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I have a 17ob and the 2.5l I wouldn't tow over 1500lbs with it and yeah that tongue weight is key. I think the CVT is a weak spot consistently towing but the tongue weight I think is the uniform that's limited

@kineticinstallationspecial5775

2 жыл бұрын

@@johncrowe88512 the Rallitek springs are excellent for towing or loading the vehicle to the Gilligan's. I have them on my Forester and they are a perfect spring rate to add capacity without making it feel like driving a cement mixer. I added them to the rear only because I want to preserve off road "articulation" in the front but may add them if I put a winch on in the future.

@BoleDaPole

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately most people towing don't even know what tongue weight is, or how to properly measure it. You can see these idiots during the summer months when their hitch is damn near scraping the pavement.

I towed a 3500lb uhaul trailer across the country (corner to corner) in my 2011 3.6R. Added about 8 PSI to rear tires And 3 to front. Verified by IR thermometer that tread temp was even across the face. HUGE improvement in rear end stability And overall comfort.

$17,000 is an absolute rip off for that tear drop.

@aussie2uGA

3 жыл бұрын

Millennial’s love the design and will pay for it. Hello Brother Nathaniel 😉

@rabbi7933

3 жыл бұрын

@@aussie2uGA You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about, Sister Mark.

@johnreese3762

3 жыл бұрын

Amen!

@davidquesada8704

Жыл бұрын

Agreed?

@GurinderGill1311

10 ай бұрын

17999 😂😂

I'm in love with the placement of the oil filter PLUS it has a catch pan!

I have a standard Outback and merely upgraded the heavy duty springs with a 1" higher lift in beck for towing in Intech Flyer Pursue offroad trailer. The ride is great. I've driven thousands of miles and felt great. No sway or uneasy feelings. It cost me only $400 including the install. It also helps with the offroad feel.

We towed a 7m long, double axle, fixed roof, 1.15 ton caravan with a stock standard 05 Outback with manual tranission and it was the best vehicle I've ever towed with.

5:44 I moved to Colorado Springs in 2004. Summers were hot back then, but the temperature didn't get to 100°F. Now it's almost normal.

@haroldbeauchamp3770

3 жыл бұрын

It must be all the dope smokers polluting the state.

I look forward to the off-road episode for the Wilderness.

@ajohnson28282

3 жыл бұрын

Is this happening?

@ragnarocking

3 жыл бұрын

@@ajohnson28282 that's what he said at 14:05 and ends with a snapshot of the Outback next to the Crosstrek. I don't think they're going to do any _major_ offroading with it (it's not theirs after all), but I assume they'll at least take it up Cliffhanger 1.0 - where the other Outback and Crosstrek failed. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pqWWmtaDqNHZc9Y.html

@xfozzypx115

3 жыл бұрын

Considering how well it does on every other video I have high expectations lol.

We currently own a outback wilderness and it tows a lot better than the Skoda Octavia we had before it our caravan comes In loaded at about 1200kg or 2650 lbs and it tows really good compared to a lot of the vehicles that are used here in the Netherlands

Thank you for your detailed but concise review of the Wilderness' towing abilities. I have been keenly interested in how this vehicle would perform in towing a travel trailer such as the Bean. I look forward to seeing the off-road capabilities of this new model of Subaru Outback.

A lot of what your feel has to do with the longer hich. I have a hich that works with a big Overhead camper so its a long . But the Resulat of that is a strange towing feel. I use it on short Trailers wich is handy . So wile Adding that few exra inches to clear the hach wile handy probly is leading to the bad towing feel.

Nice honest review. Keep up the good work.

Enough "thought and engineering" went into that camper that they put the propane tank completely unprotected and exposed?

@ThisGuyRides

3 жыл бұрын

Millions of propane tanks are left unprotected and exposed outside, many right next to buildings.

@bryanenglish7841

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThisGuyRides Those propane tanks aren't traveling down the highway at 60+ mph, latched haphazardly to the side of trailer, just begging for a grandma in a camry to side swipe it. They need to AT LEAST put some kind of aluminum guard plate on it.

@ThisGuyRides

3 жыл бұрын

@@bryanenglish7841 The tank is latched securely, not sure where you get "haphazardly". It's not gonna blow up by a side swipe from a Camcord either, LPG is not that volatile.

Great and informative video especially since we just bought a Subaru Outback Wilderness and plan to pull a similar Hiker trailer all over the country to catch a fish in every state. This is our retirement from 45 years of teaching and coaching dream. I would love to hear your comment and others who have towed with the Wilderness how it has handled and if this is a crazy idea. Comfort and safety are the key components while driving down BLM roads will be a necessity. Thanks to answer and have a blessed day.

@btsnhos

2 жыл бұрын

The turbo engine is going to really help you in the higher altitudes. You should not have any issues with towing that trailer, upgrading the springs can help the squat. Definitely get a anti sway hitch and do your research on properly loading the camper. There are some rough BLM roads out there so a spare trailer tire is a smart idea, also the onX off-road app would be a fantastic addition to your adventures

Can't wait for the content on that Outback.

Very cool video thanks for sharing!

I have pulled trailers with several unitized (monocoque) body cars and trucks. They were my 1975 Chevrolet Monza 2+2 v8 4 speed, 1978 Monza Spyder V8 automatic, 1988 Comanche Pioneer long box 4x4 4.0L 5 speed manual and now my 2015 Promaster City wagon. None of them had altered suspensions. Except for the Jeep, all towed trailers were in the 1400 to 2000 pound range. I had no issues with either sway or soft rear end bounce or sway. The Promaster city which I currently own, has towed everything quite effortlessly and easily. (All it’s loads so far under 2000 pounds so far.) The Comanche towed with no issues until I started towing weights above around 3500 pounds. Above that weight I needed to use sway controller and equalizer bars. I had a Terry travel trailer which scaled out at a total of 4760 pounds loaded. (I put it on a scale and weighed it.) the Jeep was not happy with that trailer. Turned out the equalizer set up was totally wrong and it swayed terribly beginning about 45 or 50 mph. When I scaled the truck, the weight distribution was horrible. When set up the way you “supposed to do it”, ie, front and rear of the truck roughly equal ride hight, the tongue weight of 650 pounds was transferred entirely to the front axle along with almost 350 pounds off rear axle weight. To say it did not tow properly was a bit under stated. I spent a weekend learning about the hitch configuration and how to adjust it and also how to “tune” it to properly work with the Comanche. (Turns out you could adjust the ‘pitch’ of the hitch ball and equalizer bars to match the trailer and truck along with the ball height). I was then able to redistribute the tongue weight evenly between the truck front and rear axles and also send some of the tongue weight back onto the trailer axles. So, I ended up with a total close to a 45-55 front rear axle weight distribution on the truck and a 550 pound tongue weight. After that it towed quite nicely and with a much more comfortable ride and substantially improved braking. However, it had a notable rear squat but the trailer was balanced and evenly leveled out so it’s tandem axle suspension would work ideally. and a lot of people told me I did not have my hitch set up right. But it was the proper configuration for that truck

With acceleration, in our 2014 Forester, we do better off the line not flooring the pedal and kind of slowly pressing the pedal down but they may have different transmission mapping in this car.

TFL: "We found a way to testdrive this Subie." Subie PR: "GAWD DAMMIT!!!"

@gchavez43096

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@J.Young808

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@XHobbiesPrime

3 жыл бұрын

Subaru not allowing them test vehicles?

@matthewcobb5273

3 жыл бұрын

At this point Subaru PR doesn't give a shit because the entire industry knows TFL hates Subaru and makes up shit to hate about their vehicles. TFL is incapable of an unbiased Subaru review and at this point they are just making their channel look bad and discrediting anything they say about other vehicles.

@galactictomato9168

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewcobb5273 You sound like a biased Subaru fanboy. TFL gave a totally fair review.

I pull a Tracker PT 175 Tournament Edition with my 2021 Outback (non-turbo) my boat is both longer and heavier than the camper you pulled and I don't feel the issues you described, but you know it is back there during acceleration and braking.

Rallitek makes over load springs for the outback xt so the rear does not sag from a trailer. I'm sure they will be doing set for the wilderness edition. Spend a few hundred for a good anti sway trailer hitch and your good to go.

Great review! Lotsa info! Thx for this!

Any chance they were headed through South Carolina? I saw a rig very much like this today near Orangeburg, SC. Great review as always.

Love my wilderness. Same color too. This was the video I needed for tow info.

The hitch extension is what makes it unstable

Nice have Andre put the Glyder Torsion-Flex on that will work. I have that for my outlander work great.

The longer hitch is most of the problem , it is increasing the tongue weight and the side to side forces in turns.

I lifted my 2016 3.6r as soon as I bought it new. While it still went on the beach like my earlier Subarus did, the CVT failed at 74,000 miles. If they go back to a real transmission, I'd buy another but until then, no thanks.

@occckid123

3 жыл бұрын

Did you change your transmission fluid?

@johnstrand2247

3 жыл бұрын

@@occckid123 Tried to once but the dealer claimed it was unnecessary until 100,000 miles.

The silly thing is that changing to a tow-ball extension because the trailer does not have a decent draw bar alters the fulcrum point and causes rear of the car to squat. How do the electric brakes work if you do not have a brake control in the car. Redarc make high quality control units. Other wise a good test.

@Alex-jb8zf

3 жыл бұрын

The electric brakes don't work at all unless you install the trailer brake controller and the 7-prong wiring. I wish he talked about it in the video (maybe I missed it) but I would like to know if it comes stock with at least 4 prong wiring.

@phillip.9524

3 жыл бұрын

@@Alex-jb8zf I know that Subaru's don't come standard with towbars and wiring here in Australia and 7 pin plugs flat or round are the minimum. If you are ever looking for a brake controller look up the Redarc web site brilliant stuff.

@Crazy-Chicken-Media

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alex-jb8zf Im getting one in February, the sales guy told me to get the hitch from U-Haul, that way you can get the pin you want. Subaru hitch is over priced and comes with a 4pin if he remembers correctly. because the tow rating is only 3,500 lbs.

I wonder how well it would have towed the bean without the roof boxes on the Wilderness and Bean? I am sure the drag had some negative handling effects. I love my Wilderness, but it would not be my first choice to use to tow that particular rig.

@J.Young808

3 жыл бұрын

The Bean looks like a roof top tent

The cabin bouncing is something I experience with my 04 and also get more squat when I put my trailer on. I don't get any side to side though. I was hoping to hear about some improved performance from this model as I would want to upgrade my tow vehicle some day soon but maybe not this one.

I was really looking forward to the wilderness Forester. Guess it wasn't meant to be this year.

Rather than an Outback Wilderness, I went with the Outback Onyx XT. It has the same 2.4L turbo but gets better mileage (upper 20s to 30+, depending on conditions). Tow a T@B 320 Boondock, a little over 2000 lb. So far ok with the towing. I didn't experience the issues that he discussed. I have also added about 1.5" lift lift with Primitive Racing kit + heavy duty King springs and replaced the tires with Falken Wildpeak A/Ts. The lag under acceleration, whether towing or not, is annoying and can be an issue when trying to merge in traffic. On the whole though, I like it a lot.

@tonyhorvatin2037

2 жыл бұрын

I had a very similar experience with a 2021 Outback XT Limited towing a Safari Condo 1743 at 2,100 pounds over 800 kms. Once the weight distribution hitch was properly set, I really didn't feel the trailer back there on any kind of road conditions. No problem at all. Ambient air was 28C, while temps didn't exceed: engine oil 105C, coolant 98C, and CVT fluid 85C. Very satisfactory! Check this video for more info on the newest OB generation in towing. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lI6h1ceTZ5OpqZc.html&ab_channel=SubaruAustralia

Can’t wait to see you do the wheels slip test and cliff hanger 2.0 tests on the wilderness outback! Want to see if the retuned CVT ratios and the >25mph x-mode is any better. I wish they released the wilderness forester and the Crosstrek sooner!

@0HOON0

3 жыл бұрын

Wilderness is very capable as a softroader. Cliffhanger 2.0 is likely still well beyond its abilities though.

@seanwatson3790

3 жыл бұрын

@@0HOON0 I did that in a cherokee trailhawk with a 3 inch lift and way more agressive tires , and it was still just Barely able to do it. Only with crawl control, and I couldn't do it at all with a 2 inch lift and 29.5 inch ko2s . The truth side was easier but there's no way that it can do that trail...

@seanwatson3790

3 жыл бұрын

That being said there are a lot of trails I Do want to see it do. I've always had a soft spot for outbacks since I've owned 2 different ones

@saliston

3 жыл бұрын

Watched a video with a guy off roading with a Taco TRD and it kept up. I was very impressed.

@0HOON0

3 жыл бұрын

@@saliston I'm sure a bunch of us would like to see that. Link to video?

I actually own this car now, so I wrote a different critique of the critique. The dance between the CVT Tuning (which I think is optimized for the non Wilderness final drive gear), and the Turbo take some getting used to. But when you are used to how the car responds to the controls, your inputs become more intuitive. It is a bit different between the CVT tuning and the Turbo engagement, and if you drive it like a Toyota Corolla it's not going to do what you want it to. I also find myself predicting needs and using paddle shifters to anticipate the gear I want, rather than expecting the car to figure it out, when Im in the mood to be zippy, or if I am towing a trailer. It is very capable, but does require a bit of input from the owner that becomes automatic over time. The good news is that the power and response are there when you need it to be. I've hauled a lot of weight in the back, like sandbags during a flooding storm in San Diego last year. I made 4 trips with the back full of sand bags, and I picked them up ON THE BEACH IN THE SAND. I found that although it sits lower than it does empty, it doesn't sag too low. It goes down a few inches and then it gets more resistant, just like it should. I didn't find the springs to be soft. I found that they had a longer articulation than the last Outback I had that was not a Wilderness Edition. So it's not just HIGHER, it also has MORE MOVEMENT. It handled the weight well, and I wouldn't expect a shock./spring combination that is softroad ready to handle like a slot car or a dedicated truck when towing a trailer. Considering what it is, it does great from a handling point. It's capable, but I wouldn't want to do a slolom on it, or Rally Race,. I am towing a trailer, on a high suspension vehicle so I slow down. ANd I was very pleased with my few relatively short experiences towing a 4X8 box trailer full of wheels and tires and some lumber. And one time a heavy car trailer, but without the car on it. I wouldn't give up that articulation for a smoother tow because I didn't buy this to tow. It's nice that you can throw a little camping trailer on it tho. Especially a little bean with great clearance. I dunno why I need it to "handle" on the highway. I just need it to be safe, and drive it with consideration. Part of that consideration is to use the proper length hitch which is NOT an extended hitch. The tailgate opens up with little need for clearance behind it. I think you will find the Outback Wilderness (well only if you gave it a fair test that made sense) would handle GREAT towing that trailer on a fire road to a remote Camp Site. And that is what WIlderness folks do. Your test wasn't really fair since you had a very poor choice of hitch there. There is no need for an extended hitch, unless you want to magnify that wag the dog feel and put additional strain on your hitch mount. Maybe try it without the extension. The little beans are designed to be right behind the tow vehicles, not dragged behind them by several feet. It's fine but un-necessary, and if you want to be anal about handling, use the right hitch. The hatch has PLENTY of room to open even if you back up to within a foot of a brick wall. You have FEET TO SPARE THERE, so your reasoning about using an extended hitch, which completely modifies the handling and feel, is not sound. Databyter

Now waiting for the Outback wildernesses review… will it go to the cliffhanger?

I'm glad my parents loved us enough to not cram the four of us in a tiny camper like that.

@gschweiger

3 жыл бұрын

Somehow Tommy failed to mention that there is a roof top tent on the trailer. My bet, the kids are up top, the parents inside.

@peterjamieson2441

3 жыл бұрын

Yea...not a pleasant thought at all when he said it

@mcfistoyourfood69

2 ай бұрын

Talk about awkward sex, am I right!? Look away kids

How is the noise from the hitch and trailer banging around? Do you get any of that sound transmitted to the cabin?

They are AT tires, they are essentially the same as the Geolander AT G015, Not the most aggressive AT but they are a much better tire than all seasons...

I have driven geolander g015 on pretty rough and rutted rocky roads, they do pretty good, not the best but they are proper all terrain tires

@jerrymyahzcat

3 жыл бұрын

I run Geolandar G015 19” ATs on my Land Rover. Good balance between and off-road and on-road tyre and very quiet on the black top.

cool video, but sleeping 4 people in that tiny thing must be some form of torture -- to each their own but jeez man...

@1cargaragenyc

3 жыл бұрын

No Mexican food on that trip

@MarksTech

3 жыл бұрын

RIGHT?! I dont even have claustrophobia but that made me uneasy lmao. Maybe 4 kids… MAYBE. But even 2 adults and 2 kids seems unreal.

Getting hot up there at 84°... me here in Phoenix: That's our low at night... Thanks!

@scottmiller1956

2 жыл бұрын

RIGHT. Low last night here in Omaha was 80 with dripping humidity.

Back in the day i pulled a smaller 16ft boat up north with a '92 escort with a 1.8L/auto tranny and maybe 100hp. It made it but man getting up a hill was no fun. Probaby from that towing the rear shocks blew and in winter they'd freeze (water?) and the rear end would about catch air if you hit a good bump. Simple car, but no power. You can tow with a bicycle but good luck stopping when you get to the boat landing.

Those Yokohama Geolander AT tires are actually a great choice. Very good tires in all situations

@tylough

3 жыл бұрын

I like the white letters and they're good in snow ❄️.

@CmonsterFreak

3 жыл бұрын

@@tylough absolutely. Winter rated and not load on the highway. Other than they don’t look overly aggressive what more could you want?

@TFLoffroad

3 жыл бұрын

@@CmonsterFreak Wansn’t too impressed off-road with them, more to come!

Off topic question, what version of that phone mount are you using for the back piece? Is it the four fingered silicone that slides over the vents, or is it the long clips? Thanks

Can you buy those at subaru dealer? Exact the same? All the accessories all in this video

Towing with a CVT transmission. What could possibly go wrong?

Thanks much for the review. It would have been helpful for me for you to have gone up I-70 outta Denver, Boulder, or Left hand canyons to see how the car does towing a trailer up a 6-7% grade. Would have liked to know what your tongue weight is as well...Payload of the Subie is important factor in calculating a safe tow. Wondering if I should have bought a 4Runner after all!

I never knew you could solve the issue of the hatch hitting the trailer by just putting a longer hitch! Is there any downside to this?

@justinweatherby767

3 жыл бұрын

The downside is more torque on the tongue when the trailer hits bumps. Bumps have a greater effect on the tow vehicle. Physics of leverage.

One thing thats fun about the cvt is paddle shifters. that delay on acceleration can be mitigated with the tap of a paddle

OMG this is really cool combo of a capable car and camper. I love it.

Seeing how you have a crossover outfitted for towing, is a test for the Ike Gauntlet or Loveland Trial in the cards? Seems like this would be a perfect since you never have crossovers that come ready to tow.

Did you have the required 10 to 15% of weight on the hitch as recommended?

Been waiting to see see this Subaru; but that camper trailer - I put one on my Christmas list.

I wonder how much of that unsettling feeling would apply to many other unibody SUVs as well, would be great to see you guys tow that Bean or something similar on the RAV4, and other competitors in the space. I can't imagine any of them would be incredibly comfortable towing. I've always sort of figured that the tow ratings on small SUVs like these were as a just in case you needed to haul a small utility trailer to the dump or something like that. Certainly not for constant towing. That said, I do see a good number of smaller and mid-size SUVs towing small boats or jet skis around here.

@Danefrak

3 жыл бұрын

You'd be surprised how many people have never heard of a tow limit

I have geolander g015 tires on my Frontier. Canyonlands Jeep Rentals in Moab installs them on their fleet. They ARE very much an all-terrain tire.

TFL: please start using an OBD2 monitor on your ike/towing reviews. Data is good. Dash gauges lie. Example my Odyssey coolant usually shows 170f OBD2. towing I've gotten it to 225 dash gauge didn't move.

@Skruteas

3 жыл бұрын

Lol yea my FJ rad was caked with mud and the coolant temp gauge did not move until it was over 110c. Operating temp is usually 87. Not a lot of warning to blast the heat and pull over.

Weight distribution bars would remedy all your concerns of the side to side, a sag in the rear

Idk do u get different Subarus in America? In Sweden u we trail horse's and larger trailers with it. I myself trail with my Crosstrek with out any issues completely stable but maybe European trailers are just better built in terms of road stability!?

@otm646

3 жыл бұрын

In Europe you are towing trailers incredibly slow, 80 kph max. In the US most people tow trailers between 120 and 105 kph.

@Asientabs

3 жыл бұрын

@@otm646 right those without a own break u are allowed to tow with 80kph those with a break u are allowed to tow faster.

Those Yoko Geolander A/T's G015 are an amazing tire . I forget the name of the Jeep rental place in Moab , but thats the tire they use exclusively on all their wranglers . They are great in almost every condition except heavy mud . And my results concur . Theyre probably the best tire Ive evr owned on any vehicle evr . Im Using a 34x11.5/17 on my Wrangler .

@FlRiAfCeTLE

3 жыл бұрын

How are they on snow/ice? Thanks

@ScottyBennitone

3 жыл бұрын

@@FlRiAfCeTLE Ice , Not sure . Snow , great .

@MaJaGa86

3 жыл бұрын

Love seeing this, thank you! Love my wilderness

@kingstonsean

3 жыл бұрын

Canyonlands Jeep Rentals

Love this. I have an eco hitch on my STi, great for carrying my honda monkey on the back, game changer for adventure.

So is it hitting the bump stops when going over small bumps or what?

Those tires are better in the sand than an MT. There's videos on this from Yokohama in Australia. Aggressive lugs dig more and clear out mud, but that doesn't help on hard pack dirt and soft sand.

Teardrops tend to have a bunch of tongue weight due to the rear set axle. Trailer might not weigh much but I bet the tongue weight is high.

@alejandropmorcate

3 жыл бұрын

This. Weight distribution on the teardrop needs to be spot on, otherwise it's always front-heavy.

@markweaver1012

3 жыл бұрын

@@alejandropmorcate Though sway is usually worse with a too light tongue. A friction anti-sway bar should be added. And the tongue extension is a bad idea. Did the 'Bean' folks actually set this up?

Did u add more air pressure to the tires after loading it with the trailer. 5psi makes huge difference.

Should i trade in my fj cruiser for one of these? Its a bit more practical for me now a days being a dad. But im concerned about depreciation. The fj holds its value so well. But im ready for a change. Opinions?

you could simply add an anti sway bar and a weight distribution system. normally, you only need those on bigger rigs, but if you want to tow with this really nice car it would help a lot with the rear suspension and the sway.

@markweaver1012

3 жыл бұрын

Weight distribution is not recommended for most unibody vehicles (including Subarus).

@tonyhorvatin2037

2 жыл бұрын

For the earlier generations yes, but not the current one. The current gen unibody is significantly stronger and quite capable for WD to the 3,500 tow limit. WD is just plain safer and more comfortable. Even cars like the BMW X5 are unibody and tow 5,000 pounds on professionally installed WD hitches. There a 550 pound tongue weight is impossible without a WD hitch.

The aerodynamic shape of the Bean camper has been totally negated/destroyed however by all the wind resistant add ons bolted on and the RTT on top. The drag of this setup will be ridiculous. And that infotainment screen seems far too “busy”. What was the fuel consumption like with all that gear and drag?

If we had this guise in Australia it would sell like hotcakes! Instead we get the non turbo edition.

Does Subaru offer a trailer package? Never seen a trailer package on their website. Seen bike racks but nothing about the hitch.

Not surprised by the sway issue. Tall narrow stance with long overhangs and softly sprung.

Great showcase but I won’t be towing anything on my outback lol I’ll leave that for a truck, most I’ll do is a roof top tent

I hate it when cvt's fake shift, like just use a regular automatic if you're gonna have shifting lol

Did it pop a tire like your amazing off-road 3rd Defender?

doesn't really seem to accelerate much even at high RPM, wonder what a 0-60 with the trailer would be. seems like it could be 15 sec +

I dont think he also mentioned what happens to that 24 mpg while pulling the trailer.

@jakes5530

3 жыл бұрын

towing mpg typically drops by about a third, so figure 15-16 mpg. But... aerodynamics make a big difference. The car and trailer themselves are pretty aerodynamic but those roof racks and accessories are not, so maybe closer to 14 mpg towing that particular load if I had to guess.

@patinakustoms6109

3 жыл бұрын

Yep id guess around there too and that combined with less than great handling because yes i realize its "rated" for 3500 but to me even like 2500 would be a lot on one of these just because of the cvt alone.

Could you talk about the setup for converting the stock 4-pin tow harness to a 7-pin needed to operate electric brakes? The manufacturer recommends a max tow capacity of only 1,000 lbs without the trailer brakes. Thanks!

@mark-di5pf

3 жыл бұрын

The dealer could only installed a 4 pin connection. We went to a local installer, Rack and Road and they installed a 7 pin and hitch that is working out well. Trailer brakes would be wise but have not been missed up to this point.

@markweaver1012

3 жыл бұрын

7 pin is pretty easy (there are 4-pin to 7-pin adapters), but that doesn't give you trailer brakes. You also need a brake controller. The easiest way to go is wireless with something like the Curt Echo. But you do need to run an additional 12V power line from the battery to the 7-pin to provide power to operate the brakes.

@tonyhorvatin2037

2 жыл бұрын

@@markweaver1012 Agreed. A wireless controller is a simple yet elegant solution. I use the Tekonsha Prodigy wifi proportional brake controller. Very simple to use and effective. Check reviews on the Curt Echo unit; there have been some significant issues with them.

Do you have a link to the bean trailer

Is that "Playing With Sticks" vehicle and trailer?

Does this have a 4 pin wire harness or a 7 pin?

When will the off-road test be published?

You mentioned the tow capacity is 3500lbs, but what is the hitch weight capacity? I have a 2018 and it is 2700lbs and I have read that the hitch capacity is 209lbs, which is low as usually 10-15% is the hitch capacity, so you would think 270lbs, but as I said, I have read that is not the case. Trailer you mentioned is around 2000lbs, but what is the hitch weight? Maybe that is why there is a lot of sag. Also, when the trailer is heavier in the back, you tend to get the tail waggle. Also wondering if you guys have access to the Rovelite trailers which start at 1600lbs dry and get up to 2500lbs gross. Wonder how they would trail behind an outback. Their brochure material, shows photos of Outbacks "towing" them.

I wish my 2011 outback had the temp gauge. I’ve got a stupid mpg gauge that doesn’t really tell me anything useful.

Hay guys can you tell us when you plan on letting us see you take the Wilderness on a trail? Maybe with a Bronco Sport for fun?

Why not use the OEM hitch and a 7 pin connector with a brake controller since it is over 1000 lbs? Hmm.. i see it is a 7 pin, can you elaborate on the setup a bit more please and how to safely tow up to the rated capacity? Not sure about that extension

@tonyhorvatin2037

3 жыл бұрын

Lots of folks feel they don't need to bother with trailer brakes, even if over 1,000 pounds - in whatever the vehicle. Foolish, they should IMO. Easy to set up at your local trailer shop. There is a 4-pin OEM harness plug ready in the Outback rear cargo area to start with. Curt or Enthuze make a great hitch for Outback. If you want to monitor any temperatures, these are easy with an OBD2 bluetooth device. The OBDLink LX works well with the ActiveOBD app. That app is built nicely for Subaru systems and will display: digital coolant, oil and CVT temps all on any Android device with Bluetooth. Most apps won't display CVT temp here. (The current Outbacks do offer to display a digital engine temp, if selected.) I have found that the engine oil tracks about 8 degrees warmer than the coolant. And CVT temp never gets close to them. The Outback uses a CVT oil intercooler with the coolant. Far superior to radiator type secondary coolers that rely on ambient air temp to provide any cooling effort. CVT over temp is what is harmful as it destroys the fluid. Anyone who wants to operate their CVT - or any vehicle - for the long haul should be aware of these temps while towing or hard driving. Knowledge is power. Check elsewhere on the web and do some research on this. Well worth it in the long run, whatever you drive.

Hmm. I can't believe the brake is good enough with towing a trailer. My only grime for my 2019 Outback is braking. Does Wilderness have a different brake system than before? Good informative video but would be better if stopping is reviewed with higher priority than towing. Thanks anyway!

@tonyhorvatin2037

2 жыл бұрын

In Canada you must have trailer brakes when towing over 1,000 pounds.

Lots of folks feel they don't need to bother with trailer brakes, even if over 1,000 pounds - in whatever the vehicle. Foolish, they should IMO. Easy to set up at your local trailer shop. There is a 4-pin OEM harness plug ready in the Outback rear cargo area to start with. Curt or Enthuze make a great hitch for Outback. If you want to monitor any temperatures, these are easy with an OBD2 bluetooth device. The OBDLink LX works well with the ActiveOBD app. That app is built nicely for Subaru systems and will display: digital coolant, oil and CVT temps all on any Android device with Bluetooth. Most apps won't display CVT temp here. (The current Outbacks do offer to display a digital engine temp, if selected.) I have found that the engine oil tracks about 8 degrees warmer than the coolant. And CVT temp never gets close to them. The Outback uses a CVT oil intercooler with the coolant. Far superior to radiator type secondary coolers that rely on ambient air temp to provide any cooling effort. CVT over temp is what is harmful as it destroys the fluid. Anyone who wants to operate their CVT - or any vehicle - for the long haul should be aware of these temps while towing or hard driving. Knowledge is power. Check elsewhere on the web and do some research on this. Well worth it in the long run, whatever you drive.

@tonyhorvatin2037

2 жыл бұрын

Update: We used a 2021 Outback XT Limited to tow a Safari Condo 1743 at 2,100 pounds over 800 kms. Once the weight distribution hitch was properly setup, I really didn't feel the trailer back there on any kind of road conditions. No problem at all. Ambient air was 28C, while temps didn't exceed: engine oil 105C, coolant 98C, and CVT fluid 85C. Very satisfactory!

Problem is: vertically fastened tow hitch receiver you can't use wdh. Wdh essential on unibody. My Odyssey I tow 9000 lb combined.

@markweaver1012

3 жыл бұрын

Subaru manual says WDH not allowed (it can put a lot of stress on unibody and break welds).

A weight distribution hitch would do that thing wonders.

I am leery of towing anything with a vehicle that has a CVT. We love my wife's Subaru Forester for city driving and light traveling in good weather, but for towing and long trips my Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk is our vehicle of choice. The larger and more powerful V6 and 8 speed transmission plus the heavier weight of the vehicle make towing with the Jeep a better and more pleasant experience. Towing a similar sized and weight trailer with the Jeep is not even noticeable. My trailer with a 350 lb hitch weight, only drops my rear by 1". My biggest complaint with the 2015 Forester is that in very windy rains it does not feel secure on the road. Gusty side winds tend to push it around too much. I have never tried to tow with the Forester and do not have hitch installed on it. The Jeep does have the tow package, which results in slightly lower fuel economy. We average combined 29 mpg on the Subaru, 24 mpg in the Jeep.

@bowlingballhead

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, you're not gonna dig towing with the Fiat Cherokee so much when that 9-speed ZF goes NUCLEAR out in the middle of Bumfuck, Utah.

@gerardtrigo380

3 жыл бұрын

@@bowlingballhead Mine has the 8 speed auto. The transmissions that gave trouble were only in the first two years of manufacture.

@bowlingballhead

3 жыл бұрын

@@gerardtrigo380 I may be missing something, but when did the Cherokee get an 8-speed? As far as I know the 8-speed in the Wrangler is not the transmission in the Cherokee. Anyway, I'm Jeep loyalist. Have had three Cherokees and a Grange Cherokee and wanted to buy a '19 Trailhawk which I liked, and I liked the 3.6 as well, but the transmission didn't have any idea where to be. It was a strange driving experience so I looked up Cherokee transmission problems and viola! Now I'm rolling 2019 Frontier style and it's a total beefcake. Fully boxes frame, Nissan VQ 4.0, proven transmission/platform/blibbity-blah, blobbity-blah.

@gerardtrigo380

3 жыл бұрын

@@bowlingballhead The Transmission code on my 2018 Trailhawk is the 8 Speed.. They put the 8 speed in from 2014 to 2015. 2016 to 2019 they used the 8 speed. In 2020 they went to a newer version of the 9 speed transmission with the problems of the first generation "fixed."

I’d love to see the Wilderness on Cliffhanger!!

How long until that cvt says bye bye?😬

The key for temporary acceleration (in my wife’s Ascent) is to hit the left (downshift) paddle on the steering wheel. The CVT will then allow a bit more RPM and there’s less lag. The power train REALLY tries to prevent you from using the turbo until you have WOT (for the MPGs)

@ToyotaNutjob

3 жыл бұрын

Lol sounds fun... not

@MrJamesLuz

3 жыл бұрын

@@ToyotaNutjob it’s the wife’s car. Not mine.

@danieljackson-woods6225

3 жыл бұрын

Or buy an evc for $200 to improve throttle response like I did with my crosstrek

@MrJamesLuz

3 жыл бұрын

@@danieljackson-woods6225 the wife doesn’t complain. My daily is an Ecoboost F150 so when I do drive her car a part of me dies inside.

@danieljackson-woods6225

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrJamesLuz I have a lifted 2018 trek with ko2s and have no issues towing an offroad trailer or offroading with it and the evc helps that significantly

If you know anything about towing trailers you would add some tongue weight and the lateral movement goes away. I have towed 2500 lbs with my Outback with the trailer set properly and had none of the issues you described

i seen one of these but a regular outback towing a 6x12 uhaul trailer....uhhh... yeah idk the trailer was literally wider than the car

When is the off road video coming out???