They say safety; I don't understand why a sub 250g drone 'with a camera' is unsafe whereas a sub 250g drone 'without a camera' can fly freely !!! Is this really just a security/privacy issue. What about anybody, ground based, with a camera and a zoom lens ( the same issue);; read paparazzi !!

@JohnLamjohnlsl

7 ай бұрын

Agree This is stupid Without the camera means less visual data for safety judgement And How can you call them more safe

@lindsayheyes925

7 ай бұрын

So my dashcam makes my car unsafe? Overreach. Data Protection in respect of third parties surely falls under the aegis of the ICO, not the CAA.

@happylocksmith

7 ай бұрын

Yes I agree crazy but that's the world we live in what gets me is some people with door bell cameras who accuse anyone standing outside the property for more than 30 seconds of being a potential burglar and post images on local neighbourhood social media.

@almostcinematicfpv

7 ай бұрын

Why sub 250g? With no reason or scientific evidence the US rule appears to be an arbitrary number.

@nitro_nicksrc9629

7 ай бұрын

It has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with legislating the hobby out of existence so that the air is made clear for all the commercial drone operators who have deep pockets and lobby and bribe their way to get what they want. The hobby has no place in the skies according to the commercial operators. Things will only get worse.

Great information as always Sean 👏

CAA should look at all the other aviators for a few years and level the safest form of aviation in peace. This obsession of these bureaucrats really is extreme harassment of harmless people perusing a harmless pastime.

@jcardboard

6 ай бұрын

A lot of it seems to come from the Gatwick incident. Which turned out to be a mass panic event rather than anything real. I don't have a drone but I've thought about getting into it, the constantly shifting regulations have put me off, even if they're not to bad this time round you know they'll come back in a few years and add more restrictions.

Thank you, great intel in a nutshell. 👍🏻❤

Thanks for the summary!

@Geeksvana

7 ай бұрын

My pleasure. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Good to see you.

Good summary thanks!

Useful summary 👌

For the entire 46 years I’ve had anything to do with the CAA they have never, ever impressed me. They employ numpties, are slow, cumbersome, work in a totally opaque fashion add very little, if anything, by way of safety to aviation. Furthermore, they just can’t stop interfering and meddling. Medicals are a good example. Cut off dates, renewals dates, revalidations, validity periods, acceptable conditions all change on a rapid basis so that it is difficult to remain legal. They use the excuse of “safety” for everything they do but do not think their way through anything. Legislation and rules regarding drones/UAVs/model aircraft are another example. They have the naive belief that their meddling will make the skies safer. As if. Worse, not only they unaccountable but they hide behind the their cloak of “superiority” and “expertise” when it comes to anyone questioning their existence. A classic example was at a meeting in Europe discussing runway performance (airliner Perf. A stuff). The gimboid sent by the CAA didn’t have a clue about any of the terms - but he was in charge of legislation and oversight in this area. The lunatics are truly in charge of the Campaign Against Aviation.

@loc4725

7 ай бұрын

I like to think that having dealt with a lot of people in my time I have a kind of 'feel' for how people are and having seen some of the various UKCAA interviews over model, drone and UAS regulation I think you're dead on. They simultaneously seem to be totally sure of themselves whilst also impervious to any outside reasoning. The closest I've come to that in real life has been when dealing local councilors, such as the ones who tried to get a small animal sanctuary removed from farmland because they were keeping...farm animals. It's the same "I've been elected / appointed so I know what's best" attitude. And just like what happened with the sanctuary I suspect this won't end well either, although in this case not for us.

Sean @geeksvana Wow so many changes and adjustments over recent years it starting ti feel like a dictatorship rather than freedom to enjoy, im getting worried there is s spectre gunship cirling above just waiting for someone to do something wrong so they can take them down such ashame the enjoyment is slowly being sucked out of flying a drone . for the past years i have complied with every rule and regulation change with the help of geeksvana, keep up the fantastic HARD work sean im sure without your updates many would be locked up in the tower by now!!

I had a few drones back in the day. Long gone now. This was for various reasons. The main one being that Joe Public seems obsessed that drone pilots are spying on them. Every other flight, I was hassled. This is hilarious considering that in the UK we have a massive surveillance society. CCTV cameras everywhere, private, commercial, and government. The second reason for my selling my gear is government interference and over regulation. I was considering getting a mini 3, but it seems like nothing much has changed. The other day I was watching some local kids flying a drone.(Phantom 3 I think) I asked them if they were flying legally. The had no idea of any of the laws and regulations. I explained as diplomatically as possible that they could get into trouble with the police. They found that hilariously funny.. 😏

Sounds like another reason to keep flying my mini 2, and although that's all I fly, I've always had flyer and operator ID

As I’ve said previously I don’t mind the flyer ID bit for sub-250, that should never have been an exemption but putting Remote ID onto drones that weigh less than 100grams simply because “they have a camera” is about as out of touch and dumb as it gets, it’s even worse than America where they don’t even have to do that. I think for many this will be the straw that breaks the camels back, our club has, since registration came in, already seen a significant decline in membership numbers, and I only see it getting worse, either it will kill the hobby or, more likely, it’ll just lead to mass disobedience and the only people following the rules, will be those who already do so - aka club members - when Toffy John isn’t required to even have a flight plan or transponder on his Cessna while flying across the country yet I’m required to have a transponder on my frigging 25 gram Tinywhoop, something is beyond wrong.

@Tony_33

7 ай бұрын

Same with an ever growing number of helicopters (some quite large) around me in the Peak District!

@6666madmick

7 ай бұрын

That because the elite doesn't the poor population to have a life..they want the airspace the holidays islands and the rds for the rich only and bit by bit the elite are getting their way...15 minutes district are coming in one way or another 😢

Thanks for keeping us up to date .. seems every time I spend my hard earned cash on a drone they decide to change the rules .. I am all for flying safely but If they keep making it more and more difficult to keep flying then many of us will just end up not flying at all. Maybe that is what they are trying to achieve. ?

Thanks for the summery. Does my Mini 2 qualify as having Remote ID?

Consultations are just formal, they have already decided this is going to happen.

As Sean asked ed how will this affect the fpv drones ( community )? I did have a look before but as always is very difficult to find information ! Thank you for the great work

@edcbabc

7 ай бұрын

Badly, is the simple answer.

@squaddingquads

7 ай бұрын

Very badly

i already have both ids

I've always had the Operator AND Flyer ID for my Mini 2 from Day 1 as it was the sensible thing to do. I have a pair of Strobon Cree units for night flying which keeps me just within the sub 250g weight limit, but adding remote ID hardware to that equation will therefore put me up a class by complying with all of the rules at night.

So will DJI be able to implement remote ID on older drones via firmware on mini 3 and mini 3 pro ?

Thanks for the brief summary. Does my Mini 2 qualify as having Remote ID? Also, does this legislation suck in my FPV quads?

@nitro_nicksrc9629

7 ай бұрын

Yes, the proposed legislation does suck....

I do think that the CAA needs a way to specifically address new and novice pilots in the regulations since they are going to be the most accident-prone. But it would be a mistake if they used the sub-250g category for that purpose since many experienced pilots choose to fly a sub-250g drone. Basically, they need a "Learner Pilot" category so that they can frame appropriate, lighter touch regulations for experienced pilots while being tougher on novices. Maybe there's a way to ban novices from flying solo until they have completed a fixed number (10?) of accompanied flights. Forcing everyone to get the Flyer ID badge is OK but that test is currently too easy and doesn't create safe plots.

Thank goodness for the summary. I had to leave last night, having accumulated 7 minutes of broken transmissions. Q. Will this affect the balance of whether someone living on the UK who visits the EU should implement the C0 classification opt-out before 1st Jan 2024, which was bothering everyone last week over altitude limited to 120 m atop as opposed to agl?

@Dave-sb4iy

7 ай бұрын

This area is still not clear, I don’t think anyone knows and EASA haven’t responded to my email 🤷🏻‍♂️ should you declassify or not? Talk about moving goal posts!!

How do I use my flyer id ? Do l some how imput it on the DJI app

What about self builders? It really isn't difficult to make your own quad from scratch.

Do you happen to have a video on say using the "Plus" battery in the Mini to get extra flight time? - my understanding is that requires a flyer ID and you lose your ability to fly A1 (over people, congested areas), is that correct or are there any other differences to the using a Mini 3/4 at sub 250g vs just over 250g?

So how does that work with mini drones?? If you fit a remote ID device it might take it over 250g anyway

Mini 2 ok?

Hi Sean, That Sucks, I was wondering about homebuilt quads that are under the 250gm weight regulation. We have cameras. But I don't have to register to fly them.

@testpilotian3188

7 ай бұрын

According to the letter of the consultation, we will be required to use Remote ID, and have both Operator and Flyer IDs, yes even on a 25 gram Tinywhoop whipping about your back garden, utter madness.

There are a few people asking about whether the DJI Mini 2 has RemoteID 'baked in'. I have seen a lot of similar questions on the DJI Forums from people in the USA who, if they use their Mini 2 for commercial purposes are already required to have RID from Sept '23. I also have a mini 2 and would like to know the answer. Apparently, Mini 2's in Japan are enabled for RID but no-one from DJI has confirmed whether the Japanese model is different at a hardware level or whether ALL Mini 2's globally are the same and it just needs a firmware upgrade? @Geeksvana - any chance you could find out please and put a lot of Mini 2 users minds at rest. Thx in advance.

@jedpause

6 ай бұрын

I believe they are globally the same, based on trawling various sites... I guess you will only know when the legislations pops up... having said that, it popped up on my Air 2S as a switch on/off last year (now sold) and it's not needed in UK, so a bit random

Ive been trying to find out which DJI mini drones have remote ID built in, DJI Support have told me the 2se, the 3 the 3pro and 4 pro all have it built in, then I was told by them again ( by a different person) that none have it only the Mavic 3 series and the Air 3 has it built in. Have you got any clue because I don't think they have, I don't want to buy one without it. thanks

What’s the difference between sub 250 with and without a camera? Is this them trying to regulate photography?

I'm becoming more disinterested nowadays with this new regulations coming 😂

Over regulation is killing our Hobby.

Am getting confused.... what are the restrictions for TOY drones as in those you get for a child?

There is also the light requirement for flying at night. If recording on a Mini 3 Pro the lights turn off so you'd need to add your own light, likely taking the weight over 250g

@Geeksvana

7 ай бұрын

Yes, although this is not specific to sub 250g, so I have put that in our other reminder. Good for it to be here though, so thanks. I think DJI will update the drone to keep the lights on during recording? Seems the most simple solution. Although, as you will be able to fly C1 drones as sub 250g, there is a little more woggle space.

@attilathehun181

7 ай бұрын

​@@Geeksvanaputting any light on a drone create more drag . I tried to do that on my Inspire 1but didn't work . The magnet would be a technically easy solution but ........creates magnetic interference . Gave it up 😂

Hi Sean, many thanks for this. I'm interested to know how Remote ID will work in the UK will it be the same as in the US. ie can anyone use an app to see where the drone pilot is or will that information be restricted to the authorities ie the CAA or the Police. Not any member of the public who downloads an app ?

@Geeksvana

7 ай бұрын

Hi Jeff! We are going to be running a UK Remote ID show very soon, possibly Monday. It will explain everything we know from technical details to who sees what. There is still a good amount undecided but there is enough to get a good picture of how it might look.

@edcbabc

7 ай бұрын

It is described in detail in the document. Basically, networked RID will be there from the start, falling back to a broadcast (direct) if it cannot find a server. It is called 'hybrid'. It will be able to stop takeoff if all the ducks don't line up (waiting for server, GPS etc, I assume) - unclear how this works on home build, but there was nothing said to indicate that it wouldn't have that same intention. It effectively applies to everything, the only get out is sub 250 with no camera. Geeksvana has said something about a 'complex camera' definition being the key point, presumably rather than just any camera, but I've seen nothing about this in any CAA communication, so I'm interested to see if there's any truth in that. If there is no network connection and it is in direct broadcast mode, then stuff like ID and position are readable by anyone. On the camera, there is already a definition in 722 that a camera does not count if it is ONLY for controlling or monitoring the flight. Don't know if that is what Geeksvana means about a complex camera, or even if that statement will persist into the new regulations. It's all covered in a few paras in the document, suggest you have a read.

@JeffFrankling

7 ай бұрын

Is there an app already available that I can download and use now?

I already have fryer I'd so do I have the take the test Again I got my fryer I'd when I did the test for the Operator's id

i fly both dji drones and heavier fixwing model aircraft . Does that mean i have to buy a flyer id module on all of my fixwing planes ?

@g7rta40

7 ай бұрын

You get a flyer ID by taking an online test. It’s free and fairly easy. Plus all the answers are easily available online. The whole point of the test is to educate people on the rules. You only need to do it once and it lasts five years. Doesn’t matter how many drones or aircraft you have.

The remote ID requirement they are proposing (a hybrid of both network and broadcast remote ID) is far more complex and costly than is being implemented in the US or Europe. My suspicion is that they are doing this so they can "fall back" to broadcast only, and present that like a concession to show they "listened" to us, but tbh I am no longer of the opinion that responding to these consultations is really worthwhile - just review the RID section from page 22 to see how little heed they have placed on respondents views. No, I personally think the best chance now is for the various national associations to band together and mount legal challenges of these ridiculous, non-evidenced proposals and tie them in knots in the courts, but that will take them going to their memberships to ask for funds, and I just can't see them doing that sadly.

I recently purchased a new Mini 4 Pro Combo with RC2 from Amazon UK. I have updated to the latest Firmware for Aircraft and RC.Going through the menus I have found that the maximum altitude is still 500m not 120 as I expected. Will this cause me any problems? thanks

@Geeksvana

6 ай бұрын

No. The UK firmware will give the option of 500m. It is only the EU version locked to 120m. You just have responsibility to keep it legal etc. You can set it to 120m as a reminder though.

Can someone clarify the maximum distance with VLOS please ? I know you cant use a light to oriente your drone/aircraft. But are reflective stickers classed as visual aids ? As thats what i use alongside my prescription glasses which are colour filtered for blue light . Which makes green and red very visible even at distances up to 200 to 300 metres ( daylight permitting) ?

@adrianappleyard4005

4 ай бұрын

Max distance is 500m for OA holders. But this is less depending on the size of drone and your eyesight. So for example a DJI Mini could be arrond 200m. Mavics 300m etc.

@Geeksvana

4 ай бұрын

There is no maximum distance in the open category. That is now only used in Operational Authorisations for the specific category. You either need to follow the guidance within the CAA AMC/GM or your own interpretation of the legislation. There used to be a general 500m guidance given by the CAA but they dropped this for the open category last year.

Can someone help me out , I’ve got a Dji mini 2 , has that got remote ID . And will it end up being obsolete ?

@adrianappleyard4005

4 ай бұрын

From 2028 the answer is probably yes.

I didn't see the promised consultation link in the description.

@Geeksvana

7 ай бұрын

Hey Kay! Thank you, not sure what happened there... Link in description and here: consultations.caa.co.uk/rpas/review-of-uk-uas-regulations-consultation/

My drone identifies as a bird so I should be ok

@amazer747

7 ай бұрын

Male or female bird?

@ianwalton284

7 ай бұрын

@@amazer747 The drone is male, but the battery is female.

@JCJW101

7 ай бұрын

​@@ianwalton284Wouldn't it be the other way round?

I knew absolutely zero about any of this until finding this video by chance today. Unkess I'm missing something,, shouldn't the consultation be announced to anyone with a drone licence via the email address they use to renew it?

@EdinBurghDronePilot

6 ай бұрын

The only reason I knew about the consultation was because I'd signed up to the CAA's Skywise email subscription service. I'd have thought that something as fundamental as this would have merited a proactive email and communication campaign!

I purchased my DJI mini 3 pro in Aug 23 will it have remote id built-in or will i need a module

@Geeksvana

6 ай бұрын

Going by the specs, I would expect it to work in combination with your phone and the system DJI built in for the US Remote ID. Remember as well that it won't be in place for sub 250g drones in the UK until 2028, with the legacy period etc. So it is a chunk of time away.

@QueenoftheROG

6 ай бұрын

@@Geeksvana Thank you for the fast response on the remote id and clearing up the year it will come into force. I was really worried I would have to get a module for it which would kick it out of the 250g category. I have already got both operator and flyer ids to cover myself. I plan on doing some more training but will probably stick to my mini 3 pro.

I have flyer I'd and operator I'd but what is remote id

@adrianappleyard4005

4 ай бұрын

Remove ID is where your drone and transmitter will send our a signal to show its location. The USA introduced this a few years ago, and the UK will follow on soon as will other EU countries.

how come that it is justifiable to have a remote id if you already have a flyer id ? where is the logic ? except more money...

What doesn't help is people who seem to have this idea that all drone users are breaking the law, then there is conflict, which in turn just gives the hobby a bad name. I have my Op and Flyer ID, but I think it would be better if an official plastic card with photo etc was available, then it would give us more credence and protection from ignorant people and police.

What happens when a module added puts the drone over 250g ?

@jediknight9284

7 ай бұрын

it’s clearly going to throw them in to the next category. Same as flying at night, their saying “must have flashing lights” So my mini 3 pro has flashing lights till i hit record, then they go off. so am i to take it that i must have flashing lights on permanently ? if so i would have to add some other lights on which again throws it over sub 250.

@daveandemmaoutdoors3171

7 ай бұрын

We are all stuffed then 😂

@Dave-sb4iy

7 ай бұрын

Surely it’s just software based? 🤷🏻‍♂️

@daveandemmaoutdoors3171

7 ай бұрын

@@Dave-sb4iy not sure 🤔 would you not need a signal transmitter module separate to the hardware already in there ? unless they knew all along and built the capability in .

@Dave-sb4iy

7 ай бұрын

@@daveandemmaoutdoors3171 possibly, I’m not tech minded but just thought the current software uploads a flight log with the flight details, position and route, presumably, gps based 🤷🏻‍♂️ but maybe more complicated than that 🫣

It just seems like UAV users are an easy target... Go and fly your drone 100% complying with the law, and someone will object, but ride a totally illegal electric scooter down the pavement at 30+ mph, and no one blinks an eyelid...

The Remote ID will kill Tinywhoop flying in the UK... It's as simple as that. You will never be able to put Remote ID on a quad weighing under 80g

@JCJW101

7 ай бұрын

Just keep flying, no one is actually going to know.

Public consultations are crap just like ulez consultation. I wont do anything they want and will fly where n when without id. Big brother can stuff it

@EdinBurghDronePilot

7 ай бұрын

It's people with that attitude that create the problem in the first place.

@mrdelaney4440

7 ай бұрын

​@@EdinBurghDronePilotno it isn't, it's those that comply that are the problem. You can't comply your way out of tyranny, the rules will only get stricter once you start accepting them.

@martinsdroneandvideotech

7 ай бұрын

​@@EdinBurghDronePilotcompletely agree

@ianwalton284

7 ай бұрын

It only helps them craft their public relations/media campaigns. Like the cop said... 'anything you say can and will be used against you'.

The way this is presented, there is no need for a consultation. It is presented like Government will just impose what it wants anyway. Everyone needs to go to the consultation and state all their objections to these excessive proposals that erode yet more of our rights. In particular, I am talking about people (like me) who don't fly the latest DJI drones or even fly drones at all. I fly mainly fixed wing, some sub-250 and some over 250. The hobby of fixed wing model aviation has an envious safety record and yet all our rights to fly are going out the window. It will be a sad day and eventually (when there are no new pilots and aviation mechanics and a whole host of other aviation-related jobs) perhaps government will wise up to how destroying the hobby stopped people getting fascinated with flight, which then often led into jobs in the industry. Too late was the cry....

The regulations are getting ridiculous. The registration process has impacted law abiding flyers and had no effect on the criminals. More extensions to the regulations will result in law abiding flyers ignoring these petty rules. I don’t think the CAA has any idea of what it is doing.

Are people still worrying about the CAA? 😅😂 kin ell lads

Talk about killing a hobby

@waynelewis5656

7 ай бұрын

It won't kill the hobby at all, manufacturers will build these things into their new drones. There's a few years until it changes

Its called Over, I really want this BS to be OVER...... More bs coming pilots way....

Why don’t they leave us alone jokers