One thing that was touched on really needs emphasis: The Iranian nuclear program managers had wisely adopted one of the most effective defenses against cyberattack: Their systems were not connected to the Internet, and it required what is effectively inside assistance to even begin to attack that system. Whenever I read about a security breach of any system, my first question is always, "Why was this connected to the Internet at all?" Many compromised systems did not require Internet connectivity in order to accomplish their official purposes.

@pitchforkpeasant6219

23 күн бұрын

For some things governments (politicians) require things to be connected to the internet so they have access to all the information. And they call the people paranoid🤦

@n0tepad

19 күн бұрын

What I don't understand is how this story went from "airgap" to "stuxnet reported back its findings" and "it infected other machines on the internet" HUH???

@Visiopod

19 күн бұрын

@@pitchforkpeasant6219 You don't need the internet to gain access to all information. Just a data center with no internet connection and a code scanner that only works with the fingerprints of the politicians in office. They could even have this data center in the parliament and having touch screens linked up to it in every meeting room, without ever requiring the internet. You can also set up a LAN that isn't connected to the internet, if you want to make short range wireless connection true. LAN is just Local Area Network and can totally be done without using the World Wide Web aka the internet. Whenever you don't have an internet connection, you usually do have a LAN connection, meaning you should have access to your LAN, just not the WWW, so if you have a local NAS, you can still connect to that. You just cant connect to anything outside your home, as you only have a LAN connection and not a WWW connection.

@flagmichael

18 күн бұрын

@@pitchforkpeasant6219 That could hardly be more wrong. FERC rules in the USA require they NOT be connected to the world outside the Physically Secure Perimeter except through a very tightly managed manual interface controlled by vetted staff. Serious fines (hundreds of thousands for individuals, tens of millions for companies that are lax) and prison time for individuals awaits those who violate CIP rules. When I worked in bulk electric power we had nearly an entire day of CIP training and testing every year.

@Snaproll47518

17 күн бұрын

Air-gapped computers can fall victim to hacking through sophisticated techniques that leverage physical access, electromagnetic signals, and even sound waves.

The virus didn't just require a USB stick, it could embed itself on devices that used the USB port. Seriously one of the smartest weapons I've ever seen.

@theredboneking

Ай бұрын

Used on the Fukushima nuclear plant as well.

@freedombro6502

Ай бұрын

​@@theredbonekingsource ? 🤔

@theredboneking

Ай бұрын

@@freedombro6502 FUKUSHIMA: 10 reasons our planet is doomed (2018)

@theredboneking

Ай бұрын

@@freedombro6502 #8

@theredboneking

Ай бұрын

Number eight on the list.

Been studying cybersecurity for several years and working as a Security Analyst some of that time as well, so I'm all too familiar with Stuxnet, but I will never get tired of hearing this story. Stuxnet was truly a monumental achievement (for someone at least) and a total game changer in terms of how offensive cyber operations were viewed. One of my favorite case studies that I constantly return to in my career, I still gain new insights every time I do so. Happy to say that Warographics did the story justice! And the crazy part is this video is just the tip of the "Stuxnet lore" iceberg.🤯

@goosenotmaverick1156

Ай бұрын

Have you heard the podcast from Jack Rhysider called "Darknet Diaries"? I assume you likely have, but that's a good one on it too if you haven't had a listen. (Good podcast in general too, IMO)

@CubensisEnjoyer

Ай бұрын

@@goosenotmaverick1156 That was pretty much the spark for why I got into cybersecurity, Stuxnet was the first episode I listened to after the Silk Road ones. After that it was set in stone. I owe a lot to Jack Rhysider for giving us Darknet Diaries 🙂

@motianton

Ай бұрын

Hes a topguy, thanks for reminding me abt him ​@@goosenotmaverick1156

@mastpg

Ай бұрын

You misspelled "Israeli counter intelligence in conjunction with a joint NSA-CIA team".

@jeebusk

Ай бұрын

only one joint? ​@@mastpg

For the ones asking. Stuxnet dit copy itself on usb drives. Once the plc are updated, the virus send files to the drive, and if that drive is connected to a computer that is connected to the internet it sends data back. No plant is compledley airgapped. Just the most importand machines

@hgv1883

Ай бұрын

A very reasonable explanation thanks 👍🍻

@sebastianbenner977

21 күн бұрын

But why airgap anything at all, if that machine is connected to a device which isn't airgapped?

@fofopads4450

20 күн бұрын

@@sebastianbenner977 because is a flawed air gap system

@LuLeBe

19 күн бұрын

@@sebastianbenner977it wouldn’t be directly connected to it, but a thumb drive for example would eventually need to be used to install a software update or transfer some data.

@robertroy1878

19 күн бұрын

You answered my question before I could ask it.

I learned about Stuxnet back in 2011 when I was taking a Cybercrimes course in Ireland. I remember being blown away by how smart of a program it was.

@jochn919

Ай бұрын

In 2011 that's when Israelis used Stuxnet on Fukushima plant.

@windowsill9724

Ай бұрын

@@jochn919no

@hammerr

Ай бұрын

Took less than 20 people too

@Frost640

Ай бұрын

@@jochn919 Did you miss the part of history when a god damn earthquake and tsunami hit Japan?

@patrickbrinkmeier1858

Ай бұрын

@@Frost640 ...He doesn't care about facts or the truth...Just a typical troll.

As a computer science student, this stuff is fascinating to me. I found a video about Stuxnet recently and had been wanting a video from you breaking it down ever since!

@CheekyMenace

Ай бұрын

Watch, Zero Days.

@jackbuff_I

23 күн бұрын

Yeah course you did

@LeviThomass

23 күн бұрын

@@jackbuff_Iwhat’s that supposed to mean?

@d4Rk42

8 күн бұрын

Read or listen to "Countdown to Zero Day" (audio)book 😊

@mikemichaelson120

5 күн бұрын

He gets a lot of stuff small stuff wrong in this video

I remember being told about this as a cautionary tale of the dangers of picking up random USB sticks

@sketch6995

Ай бұрын

I found one in a parking lot a few days ago.....I sandboxxed the hell out of it and found......porn

@jimjackson4256

15 күн бұрын

What? i pickup random usb sticks all the time and stick them into all my computers.

@devalue7064

14 күн бұрын

Unless you are working with classified information, chances of getting virus from a USB stick would be the same as getting it from the internet

@williamstidham7704

9 күн бұрын

@jimjackson4256 Same. Never know, might be a crypto wallet on there with millions, or perhaps some zesty nudie pics.

Countdown to zero day is a great book about Stuxnet.

@remember2023

Ай бұрын

This.

@HawkThis

Ай бұрын

@@remember2023 They are all targets

@jasonlib1996

Ай бұрын

Literally finished listening to the audiobook about 2 days ago, and now this video comes out! "get out of my head simon!" But fully agree, a really good and interesting book

@CheekyMenace

Ай бұрын

There's also a documentary called, Zero Days.

@FBA-REPARATIONS-NOW

Ай бұрын

You probably think your picture is funny. But the fact is, your kind can't compete against us where it counts. We have it on lock and don't have to resort to gutter pfps.

Thjis is a very simplistic account. Firstly, it seems to ignore entirely the straightforward point that the Natanz centrigues were entirely interconnected by a pressure detection system, also controlled by PLCs, which would take individual centriguges offline if they were found to be an issue (bear in mind that we are talking about very small pressure differences). This probably required not only the possession of P1 centrifuges, but a much higher level of testing in which multiple P1s were actually connected by an automated overpressure system, which may actually have used uranium hexafluouride. This pressure system was how the first attack probably damaged the centrigues; and was actually quite difficult to detect. This first attack may not have involved Israel. And secondly this account also seemingly ignores the point that there was distinctly more than one attack - using differnt techniques, in which different actors were involved. The second, for example, was the one that actually went after the rotor PLCs. And the "leak" referred to may have been the worm looking for serial numbers of specific Siemens PLCs.

@CompoundingTime

8 күн бұрын

Or the fact it was written in assembly which is a massive accomplishment. TAO isn't even called TAO anymore as well.

@olfrygt

5 күн бұрын

It's an half-hour youtube video. It's bound to be simplistic. The details you added where left out for good reason.

I highly recomment reading "To kill a centrifuge" by Langner, it is their version of the Stuxnet analysis and covers the whole operation in a lot of detail.

The script is usually very tight on here. 'An existential crisis to their existence' The exception that proves the rule.

@removechan10298

20 күн бұрын

what are the first 20 words of this video?

@lisaschuster686

15 күн бұрын

I heard that too, but it’s nothing compared to the usual KZread mistakes.

Not to be confused with Suxnet, the.... other way to make things blow.

@CrackheadArsonist

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@warthunder-mf8nv

Ай бұрын

rofl

@BonShula

Ай бұрын

@@CrackheadArsonist What is that PFP? Igor

@dieselgoinham

Ай бұрын

Can I purchase this software for my wife?

@marilynlucero9363

Ай бұрын

You win the internet for the day. Congratulations.

If Natanz was truly airgap, how could the virus send information back to the US?

@night_light2867

Ай бұрын

There are ways an app can use any piece of wire as a transmitter same as how phones use headphone jack as radio antennas and there are many more ways

@jacko101

Ай бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking...!

@SavageDragon999

Ай бұрын

@@night_light2867 This crucial piece of information should've been addressed in the video in depth because without a way to transmit information, it's useless.

@d_n_u

Ай бұрын

Do y'all have any video recs on the topic, did a quick search but found nothing :(

@THE-X-Force

Ай бұрын

OTHER computers that were infected sent information back. Not the air-gapped ones.

I remember when this happened. I also vividly remember, how at the time, my work place was full of PLC's. I was very tech minded and a lot of access to things that I probably shouldn't have. Stuxnet was some scary stuff, for the potential havoc it could wreak on just about any company, anywhere with a PLC. It just made me realize how exposed we are when it comes to hardware security.

@Bobbias

Ай бұрын

Especially since it was (and often still is) rare for companies to take PLC security that seriously. It's also frustrating that many PLC manufacturers like to hid behind obscurity as security rather than keep information out in the open so it can be properly audited by people who actually care about security.

@charlesdada6434

21 күн бұрын

Um, what's a PLC?

@Bobbias

21 күн бұрын

@@charlesdada6434 Programmable Logic Controller. It's a small industrial PC which is designed to interface with industrial sensors and equipment. Typically the only IO they have built in is some kind of networking, and either built in digital logic (usually at 24 volts) or some way to interface with external logic cards. They may have analog IO available, and they often have extension modules that can add significantly more IO. They're often programmed using Ladder Logic, or other simplified programming languages. PLCs don't typically run a standard OS, but instead run the user's code more or less directly. This is because they need to be able to react to changes in the inputs extremely fast. Most of the time the way they work is highly proprietary, and because they are very spplication specific, few people outside of industrial process and controls know anything at all about them. Many of the people programming them are either electricians or electrical engineers (or are self taught from elsewhere in some company) rather than computer programmers.

@flagmichael

17 күн бұрын

@@charlesdada6434 Programmable Logic Controller. It is a generic controller with a bunch of inputs and outputs. The programming is what makes it work in all sorts of devices: street lights, water treatment, lighting in a building of any size... if you have read or seen "I, Robot" you get the idea.

I think $300M/year of delay is actually decent. In comparison to a "new bomb" which would need its own research and development and a bespoke production line for a limited number of bombs and it looks like maybe a wash.

@rootigaroot9922

Ай бұрын

Exactly my thoughts, conventional weapons always cost significantly more in R&D (not to mention the cost of physical resources as well)

Stuxnet is gonna need a sequel soon.

@mcboat3467

Ай бұрын

And it would be used on apartheid state of Israel

@Sam_Guevenne

Ай бұрын

It's called Pegasus

@ymtzlgn

Ай бұрын

@@mcboat3467lol keep dreaming

@freedombro6502

Ай бұрын

Israel is NOT an apartheid state. South africa has no moral ground to stand on ​@mcboat3467

@willyvereb

Ай бұрын

​@@freedombro6502 Lot of people are blind to the complete insanity which is going on South Africa. They kill tens of thousands in violent activities even though they don't have an active war in a tiny region constraining 2 millions to the size of Las Vegas to worry about. There are a lot of terrible things going on there and Gazan needs more help than ever. I just wonder where had been these outcries and protests when other countries used poison gas against minorities, interred an entire population into rape camps or stole all children to re-educate them to another culture. It's easy to blame a minority culture which has good standing with the West and is put against a billion Arabs. It is apparently much harder to actually call out evil deeds done by the side which keeps funneling them all the money to embezzle...

I'd heard part of this before, but this video put it all together. Good job.

The story I had originally heard about how Stuxnet infiltrated the facility was a usb drive dropped in the parking lot. Had no idea it was a long-term program with two-way communication rather than a single attack destroying the centrifuges. The description I was aware of had claimed that the worm cloned parts of itself onto more usb drives to carry it back out of the facility in order to reach an internet-connected device it could deliver a "job complete" message through, but if it was able to receive updates regularly, there was clearly a more reliable communication method established that breached the air-gapped nature of the network.

@alperenozturk9235

Ай бұрын

I believe there is still a classified part of HUMINT work on the background.

@ftffighter

Ай бұрын

I've always wondered if the high rate of the centerfuges caused vibrations that could be felt outside somehow and those vibrations were the transmission?

@Cumdown

Ай бұрын

​@@ftffighterwhat is the receiver in this case?

@nicknickels7951

Ай бұрын

😂 🆒 interesting...

Beware of the USB stick in the parking lot.

I had to write a report on this when I was taking cybersecurity classes. Definition of a watershed moment.

@user-rd6ii6mp1t

Ай бұрын

@@rosem7889 wa·ter·shed /ˈwôdərˌSHed,ˈwädərˌSHed/ noun noun: watershed; plural noun: watersheds 1. an area or ridge of land that separates waters flowing to different rivers, basins, or seas. an area or region drained by a river, river system, or other body of water. 2. an event or period marking a turning point in a course of action or state of affairs. "these works mark a watershed in the history of music" Thanks, Google!

@Cumdown

Ай бұрын

Watershed is (and I start with this as I find it interesting) the catchment area of rivers, streams, lakes. The line between each catchment area is rather definitive, hence its use. A watershed moment refers to a deep change in thinking, approach, direction, of how one thinks about something. Hope the above helps ❤

@harku123

Ай бұрын

​@@rosem7889 watershed moment means an important point in history that would change the future

@ZeSgtSchultz

Ай бұрын

​@@harku123I wonder if the first watershed moment was the flood after the ice age?

@pitchforkpeasant6219

23 күн бұрын

@@harku123like destroying a facility in iran? During obama? It happened

The most scary part, most maleare is sitting dormant waiting for an action command to start attacking. We haven't even had the first real spark yet.

@scheikundeiscool4086

Ай бұрын

I do wonder if this fact is something that is stopping nuclear war. Because all sides are now scared that their own weapons are compimised and an attack might backfire.

@antoy384

Ай бұрын

@@scheikundeiscool4086Given that the average programmer on Stuxnet wasn’t better than the average consultant (the only genius was bought by the mass of developers working on it), I can’t imagine what a missile infested with viruses from all nations would look like. Indeed, no one would be able to launch it.

@revcor632

Ай бұрын

What makes you think that “most malware” is like this..?

@tomlxyz

Ай бұрын

I'm wondering how much of this type of malware like Stuxnet is out there that is already doing its work but doing it so slowly that it doesn't get detected. Like imagine attacking a company or a whole country in a way that they become just slightly too inefficient to still run profitable/having GDP growth. Kinda like killing someone with a slow acting poison so it looks they just died of an illness

@m2heavyindustries378

27 күн бұрын

Man couldn't even spell 'malware' properly with the help of spellcheck and cut and paste, it's likely just some edgy teen on his family computer

Fascinating video. Please do more on cybersecurity

Worth noting that we actually don't know just how effective the Stuxnet development was, since it's possible that many techniques and maybe other zero-days are still in use in other attacks around the world.

@revcor632

Ай бұрын

We don’t “know” nearly as much as this video suggests… it relies pretty heavily on one questionable article as its “source”

Yes thank you was watching old video on this the other day

Amazing Episode Simon 👏

Man this guy has so many channels and they’re all so well made, I know he has a writing / editing team but he’s clearly been amazing at organising and setting them all up and keeping up with the schedule

What a throwback! Clicked as soon as i saw that name!!!

British V sauce man never stops bringing the content

@THE-X-Force

Ай бұрын

lol .. he wishes he was VSauce

@AverageFornaxEnjoyer

Ай бұрын

I cannot unsee it.

@Callingoutrtards

Ай бұрын

​@@THE-X-Forceyou wish you had a fraction of either men's influence

@verse8833

Ай бұрын

Vsauce is awesome!

@THE-X-Force

Ай бұрын

@@Callingoutrtards lol .. I'm not the one who brought it up and believe me .. I'm perfectly fine with who and what I am. I don't want anything that I do not have.

1:45 - Chapter 1 - The timeline 18:55 - Chapter 2 - The unsolvable equation ; fanny , flame & flowershop 22:00 - Chapter 3 - The future

Thanks for sharing.

Fantastic job

Zero Days is a nice documentary about this. Some NSA whistleblowers say their part too, undercover ofc. Strongly recommend it.

I remember when news of Stuxnet first appeared. I was studying IT at the time and didn't really grasp the enormous possible consequences. Some people I studied with, and who had a lot more experience, were terrified. Some thought it might spell the end of the internet.

Cool stuff Simon

aaaaah I love the 80's action movie one liners at the end of your videos.

I remember all the talk about Russia's cyber warfare capabilities on the lead up to its invasion of Ukraine. Ended up falling flat. As much as the complexity of viruses are growing, it seems our capabilities in fighting them are as well. Or, Russia just sucks at cyber warfare.

@tom.m

Ай бұрын

I haven't kept up with it, but they did a lot in the early days. News reporters were struggling to do their job as any PC connected to Ukrainian internet got hacked. Many of them ended up sharing a single laptop with a satellite connection.

@theforsakeen-9014

Ай бұрын

don't you hear on the news everyday how china has already stolen even IP or data in the US that can be reached digitally? And russia don't steal as much but they are widely suspected to be the ones behind the shadow broker group, as their cyber capabilities are second only to the US.

@user-tm9qs7jo9j

Ай бұрын

And Russia has prioritized going after the weakest part of every computer on Earth...the user.

@tomlxyz

Ай бұрын

I assume to some degree they don't want to take everything down but rather use it to spy. If nothing works it won't get new input which could be strategically useful information

@Hillary4SupremeRuler

Ай бұрын

Yes...they hacked the Clinton Campaign with a regular old gmail password reset phishing link ​@@user-tm9qs7jo9j

I absolutely love how Simon uses his voice to keep everyone on the edge of their seat.

These videos are top notch

Love the content.. always! But give me longer to sit up and like the video/check that I have when it finishes!!! ahah

Keep up with these informative and entertaining videos.

10:50 how the heck did the program contact it's creators if the facility's system was totally isolated? If it broadcasted a signal, how come the Iranians didn't pick up on it?

@CarlTSpeak

Ай бұрын

It didn't. Airgapped. Was exfiltrated from site.

@petertimowreef9085

Ай бұрын

@@CarlTSpeak Excuse my ignorance but I still don't understand. At 10:57 he says stuxnet "would send this map back to the programmers". What method of data transfer did stuxnet use to communicate that information?

@Arcomist

27 күн бұрын

​@@petertimowreef9085 As I understand it, if a copy of a virus escaped the site with information (infected a device inside and got carried away to another with internet access) it will connect to the programers and then an updated virus could then again infect the facility

@petertimowreef9085

26 күн бұрын

@@Arcomist Right, so the virus left the nuclear complex in a physical sense, on a thumb-drive or something?

@patrickcarcamo622

13 күн бұрын

​@@petertimowreef9085Correct, on any device that was infected.

This man has like 1 million channels and is pumping out videos on all of them almost everyday. He is everywhere

Great vid thank you.

Wow. I had no idea about any of this. Neat.

@Sam_Guevenne

Ай бұрын

Look up the virus known as Pegasus (It's very very scary"

Much as there was once an age of pike and shot, we are now in the age of drones and hackers. It would be wise to be the first to adopt them skillfully.

@jaybee9269

Ай бұрын

Cyber commands already exist.

@ljt3084

Ай бұрын

Except the CIA didn't use it wisely and aside from attacking a country the western powers always like to paint as an aggressor, Stuxnet threatened a lot of computer services globally including the British NHS at the time.

@kameronjones7139

Ай бұрын

​@@jaybee9269 yeah dude is a good 20-30 years behind

@jishani1

11 күн бұрын

If you think we're not still in an age of pike and shot look into the defense minister in the UK suggesting a draft and stating they're not prepared to defend themselves against Russian aggression.

@kameronjones7139

11 күн бұрын

@@jishani1 that is the uk

Honestly it's incredible this operation was pulled off. It's refreshing to see the US protrayed so competent. Fu*k anyone who was against this. This is truly bad ass.

@theforsakeen-9014

Ай бұрын

it got out of hand though when it infected thousands of other computers outside iran.

@bmxerkrantz

Ай бұрын

imagine what is being done even more competently.... as in enough to not get caught...

@andersjjensen

Ай бұрын

Uh, not having a fail safe against widespread "release" was not exactly competent. Imagine what would have happened if it had ended up in, say, a nuclear power plant, and found Siemens PLCs, and then blindly just treating what was connected to those PLCs as if they were centrifuges. PLCs don't have something like USB Discovery where you can see what's connected to them. They're just dumb "switch boxes" where you need to understand the wiring to be able to understand the code running on them. It was advanced, bold, risky and fairly competent. But I'd really like a video of the meeting where someone went "Uh... why the FUCK can this thing spread like wild fire WHILE NOT being capable of removing itself without a trance if it finds itself on Aunt Gerda's freaking laptop?!?"

@SeanZ1L

Ай бұрын

$1b cost for a 3-4 year delay in Iran’s nuclear capability, small bit of a waste of hard working taxpayer money if you ask me but i’m no expect in these matters, neither was the government it seems

@hypno5690

12 күн бұрын

​@@SeanZ1Lyeah you're really not an expert. Not much of a layman either tbh.

excellent presentation

Usually a religious Warographics listener, but rolled my eyes on the release of this stuxnet episode. So didn't listen to it immediately but I'm grateful for "the algorithm" sneaking it into the autoplay-list. I thought I already knew everything there was to know but then Mr. Whistler's team goes and unearthed the Dutch connection. Well done, well done 👏

The Stuxnet operation crosses the line into art. So elegant and clever.

@MrTexasDan

20 күн бұрын

@@removechan10298 Really? Do tell.

Low key reassurance in regards to thier current situation

I love Business Blaze and probably watch those video's the most but it's video's like this that brought me into Simon's orbit in the first place and I'll always be a fan of. 🎉

Simon, you're an incredibly great presenter! While watching this video I thought of the work and dedication of the author/writer! You have a great staff! They deserve more attention! Thank you for your great work!

Check out Zero Days. It's a documentary style movie about Stuxnet. And there is also a book: Countdown to Zero Day

Has this ever been made into a movie? Because it should be.

@dat_asian_dude

Ай бұрын

It has. Check out Zero Days.

@THE-X-Force

Ай бұрын

@@dat_asian_dude Sweet .. thank you!

@dat_asian_dude

Ай бұрын

@@THE-X-Force anytime dude! Easiest way to watch it is on Max but I think youtube has it for like 5 bucks

@user-ie1tz5rm8x

11 күн бұрын

Do you tell the good story , or lie lie fib some and exaggerate ? Very goode ideas are hard to come by , how what happened right then , is a grande tale - best never told , they might use it against us , or we might need to do it to them , again . New habits new weaknesses , press on comrade!.. reelect Trotsky!

Incredible video. Very comprehensive in terms of political involvement.

22:48 Holy shit! The algorithm just randomly dropped this in my feed last night. And the Iranian president goes down in a chopper this morning?!? WTF? 😮

So I have watched a few of your videos, and while I have liked them, I also didn’t really know the subject matter. This one I did, and out of curiosity, I looked and noticed you followed the Wikipedia page on this subject pretty closely/exactly. You have good presentation, and for those unfamiliar with the various subjects you cover, these are great videos. It would be cool to see deeper dives with some independent research, alternate sources, etc.

@pitchforkpeasant6219

23 күн бұрын

“Zero Days”. A documentary

@pitchforkpeasant6219

23 күн бұрын

Wikipedia has become a bit manipulated biased in one direction. Its far from reliable these days. Been watching history being revised for over a decade and its just as bad. Almost fifty years of studying history just watching it change like night and day☹️

There's a great documentary by Alex Gibney called "Zero Days" about it, that looks at it more as the story of discovery and reverse engineering what it actually does. This was a wild time blowing everyones minds about what is really out there. Also, te fact that they found and essentially burned 4 Windows zero days is wild, a no interaction Windows zero day is incredibly hard to find, and worth millions on the open market for these kind of things. Though it probably helped that Windows licensing deals for the military and the likes have included access to the source code for years.

Working with PLC's daily I can assure you they are some of the biggest cybersecurity nightmares. Because uptime is very much preferred over cybersecurity. Even if you know about issues, you cant deploy them cause uptime.

Love the glasses Simon 😎

Wasn't just Stuxnet, a whole slew of malware based on the Tilded platform , include Duqu and the star of the show, Stuxnet.

I feel like Simon & Team is fast becoming my Walter Cronkite

@Bozbaby103

Ай бұрын

He (and co) and Beau of the Fifth Column are my go-tos.

I live 45min from INL (Idaho National Labs) had zero clue they were involved in this operation. That is pretty neat, I'll have to let a friend of mine who works there know.

@pitchforkpeasant6219

23 күн бұрын

Anyone you know there at idaho labs ever work with a nuclear energy producing technology that used sodium as a coolant and the system could NOT melt down? The scientists working on it literally tried a melt down and could not do so. Clinton shut it down. Assume too much money from big oil was the motive

Darknet Diaries covered this one I think, due to it being about hacking and what not. Good episode.

11:00 I don't quite get that. If the network was airgapped, how would the virus exfiltrate information to the US or get updates?

@Pepesilvia267

Ай бұрын

You can send data through power outlets or maybe use some piece of equipment to generate radio waves. I’ll bet the facility had phones or fax or something that wasn’t for the internet but did allow communication to the outside world. If you had something consistent like power line voltage or water pressure you could use changes in that as binary. Basically stuxnet could control some secondary system as communication if something simple like phone lines or RF wasn’t available. Heck let’s get crazy. It could hijack an exterior camera and watch for smoke signals sent by a spy elsewhere in the country and could hijack a lamp post to flicker on and off to transmit. The possibilities are endless if you are creative enough and the virus has control of enough systems.

If the facility was air gapped, how did they get data and updates back and forth? Your explanation is critically flawed.

Simon you are a master of speech delivery and hats off to your deserved success! I have started noticing something that troubles me though... In the "early" days your speech was bright and crisp! These days I'm picking up something slightly more slurred. I pray that your health is good but if this is news to you please have it checked out.

i would love to work with those guys some day. the equation group is such an awesome name too.

Everyone likes to think only China or Russia has high quality hackers, the truth is the US has the best hackers in the world(TOA)... to go along with the best military equipment in the world

@mill2712

Ай бұрын

The reason we don't hear about it is because... 1. We aren't trying to mess with the common company or citizenry in those countries. 2. The best attacks are the ones they don't know about. 3. If those countries know they got hit, they aren't telling that they got hit.

@DanSoloha

Ай бұрын

Our equipment is overpriced and over sophisticated - it relies too heavily on technology, which is highly prone to electronic warfare/ jamming, as seen in Ukraine Edit: some of our equipment, I should clarify; systems like HIMARS and Javelin, for example, have proven highly effective

@santman3200

Ай бұрын

@@DanSoloha Ovepriced sure, over sophisticated fuck no. Literally non of the high end equipement has been given to ukraine so I don't know what you are yapping about with elecotrninc warfare.

@dianapennepacker6854

Ай бұрын

​@@DanSolohaThe things Russia has jammed only partially jammed it. A lot of them have back ups like interial navigation which has improved. Remember we give them hand me downs. Or could be taken out quickly when used with weapons the US has but Ukraine does not in great numbers. Like aircraft and harm missiles. Those bombs and shells were less accurate, but still much more accurate than dumb fire munitions.

@noahgray543

Ай бұрын

​@DanSoloha oh look, one of the "Reformers." We've been hearing this since the F-16 and it proved you guys wrong hard. Go play with rocks, luddite.

lawrence of arabia might have been bumped off too riding his motorbike ... just syaing

Watch the movie "Zero Days" years ago, and definitely got intrigue about this one.

A+ video.

mfs out here hacking nuclear powerplants meanwhile i cant remember how to unlock my phone

I actually requested a deep dive into this on Simons reddit. I'm so happy someone took it up!!! I was thinking Casual Criminalist or Dark Shadows, but it actually makes more sense in Warographics. It is truly shocking to me how little people know about this, much less how under reported it was. I feel like cyber warfare took such a huge leap forward from this event, and I can only find a little content related to it. It's shocking. Scary. The future of cyber warfare is terrifying to me. Hope this video helps to spread awareness. I would have liked to hear this in a free format though. Still, awesome video. Great content!!!!!!!!!!!

I love recommending the book Sandworm to people that are curious about this stuff. It largely covers this same story but with more little details

I could study this for years!

"An existential threat to its existence" I see 😅 IIRC it was also Dutch nuclear technology that was stolen by AQ Kahn, the world's most prolific illegal nuclear proliferator and guy who gave Pakistan the bomb.

Umm, how can it be updated remotely? Let alone get the data back If it was physically disconnected from the interwebs?

@BravoOne1

Ай бұрын

A backdoor could've been installed along with the virus or the virus was programmed to create a backdoor

@evrythingis1

Ай бұрын

Umm, you ever think it could get out the same way the virus got INTO the building ? Are you developmentally disabled?

@evrythingis1

Ай бұрын

@@BravoOne1 What is the point of this bot comment!?

WTF!?!? I thought I knew all of Simon’s channels yet, somehow, here we are learning about war things, with Simon, on a new channel.

Did they try switching it off and then switching it back on?

@andersgrassman6583

Ай бұрын

Standard advice you get from IT-support. Probably the same in Iran.😂

Your voice has way too much reverb on it. Love your content!

If it was air gapped and someone had to physically introduce Stuxnet , after the 11 min mark you talk about Stuxnet sending back facility design and layout as well as then being able to updated Stuexnet remotely. You can't have both an Air gapped system and remote update capabilities.

It was elegant

Thank God for nerds!!!

Simon has quite possibly the most aggressive inhale I have ever heard 😂

I've always wondered if the high rate of the centerfuges caused vibrations that could be felt outside somehow and those vibrations were the transmission?

11:00 hang on. If the systems were airgapped, how did they get reports back from the first installed virus?

@evrythingis1

Ай бұрын

You seriously can't figure that out? You don't think it could have come out the same way it went in? If you aren't a bot you should reconsider posting comments where others can read them.

Long life the Netherlands, long life the Republic.

@RAWDEAL064

Ай бұрын

*live

There was a pipeline explosion in Siberia during the 80's that was attributed by exspionage and sabotage of the pump control systems used on the natural gas pipeline. I can't recall what the operation name was but I do remember it was implemented by using control chips that had been infected with "malware' used at the time.

EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. APPRECIATE YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND NOT BEING SLOW NOR STALE... ❤❤❤❤❤❤

I am so thankful for Stuxnet so the Iran regime could not get any nuclear programs activated. Since the Shah's departure the country has been in turmoil

@thefeof6161

Ай бұрын

It set it back a few years, but worry not, iran will get its nuke

@Dizzyruptor

Ай бұрын

Iran is a product of our meddling.

@markus3451

Ай бұрын

The Sha was a tyrannical absolute monarch proped up by our freedom and democracy loving U.S. government hypocritocal disgusting

At the small price of starting the first global cyberwar.

I've seen a few videos about stuxnet and I can tell you this is by far the one with the most work put in. Great job researchers.

@fautedemieux21

Ай бұрын

If that's the case... you haven't seen enough.

@theodorsonfors1391

Ай бұрын

@@fautedemieux21 Do you have any suggestions?

There are some inconsistencies in what is being told here, specially the air gap argument and the program being able to communicate back with its creators. There is a 2016 documentary called Zero Days, produced by Alex Gibney that goes deep into Stuxnet, although it is interesting that the Dutch engineer is not mentioned in it.

Not just western nations, but all nations.

Wasn't that rather sabotage than espionage?

@peternagy-im4be

Ай бұрын

Both

@THE-X-Force

Ай бұрын

Potato tomato.

You gave me flashback moments of the show Mr. Robot. I wonder if the writer took ideas from this hack. The scale of this on the super secure infrastructure. This is truely movie style stuff.

If the centrifuges were air-gapped to the rest of the Internet, how was Stuxnet able to communicate and update itself?

Darknet Diaries (podcast) did such a better job explaining this than Simon, and i watch off of his videos. DD actuslly interviewed people who were involved too, as to see their POV

@schwarzflammenkaiser2347

Ай бұрын

I mean that is just the difference in format speaking, a podcast that directly involves people behind a project are of course able to better explain the topic than a recounting of events. I don´t mean it as an attack just as an aknowledgement.

@Dr.ZoidbergPhD

Ай бұрын

@schwarzflammenkaiser2347 sorry, but no. One is a visual with audio medium and the other is strictly audio. Jack (Darknet) did a much better job explaining the actual events than Simon did, of course subjectivity, but I think if you listen to it then you will agree. Simon could have easily done a 1hr video, yet he didn't. He essentially did Stuxnet light

I wonder what Erik Van Sabben knew about Hillery Clinton?

@cynthiaherbst3909

Ай бұрын

3 week old troll account likely of Russian origin says what?

@salsamancer

15 күн бұрын

​@@cynthiaherbst3909conspiracy brained