STUDY: Animal-Based Keto vs Low-Fat Plant-Based (Vegan) Diets for 28 Days. with Kevin Hall.
Ғылым және технология
What happens to your body in 14 days on keto versus 14 days on low-fat plant-based (vegan) diets?
PAPERS:
Effect of a plant-based, low-fat diet versus an animal-based, ketogenic diet on ad libitum energy intake by Kevin Hall
www.nature.com/articles/s4159...
Ad libitum meal energy intake is positively influenced by energy density, eating rate and hyper-palatable food across four dietary patterns by Tera Fazzino
www.nature.com/articles/s4301...
Application of non-HDL cholesterol for population-based cardiovascular risk stratification: results from the Multinational Cardiovascular Risk Consortium
www.thelancet.com/journals/la...
Apolipoprotein B: An essential cholesterol metric for atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease
academic.oup.com/ajhp/article...
Weight Loss with a Low-Carbohydrate, Mediterranean, or Low-Fat Diet by Iris Shai
www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...
Why I quit the keto diet by Drew Harrisberg
www.forksoverknives.com/print...
BOOKS:
Brain Food: The Surprising Science of Eating for Cognitive Power by Lisa Mosconi, PhD
www.amazon.com/Brain-Food-Lis...
Burn: New Research Blows the Lid Off How We Really Burn Calories, Lose Weight, and Stay Healthy by Herman Pontzer PhD
www.amazon.com/Burn-Research-...
Don't Be Such a Scientist, Second Edition: Talking Substance in an Age of Style by Dr. Randy Olson PhD
www.amazon.com/Dont-Such-Scie...
KZread EPISODES:
Dr Sten Ekberg gets fact-checked by MD PhD Doctor, by Gil Carvalho
• Dr Sten Ekberg gets fa...
I Ate 100 EGGS In 7 Days: Here's What Happened To My CHOLESTEROL by Sten Ekberg
• I Ate 100 EGGS In 7 Da...
I ate 900 Eggs in 30 days. This is what happened to my body by What I’ve Learned
• Why I'm eating 30 eggs...
I ate 50 sticks of butter in 1 month (here's what happened..) by Steak and Butter Gal
• I ate 50 sticks of but...
I ate Raw MILK and EGGS (ONLY) for 30 days (What happened to my BIOMARKERS?) by Rob Stuart
• I ate Raw MILK and EGG...
From Paleo To Keto To A Plant-Based Diet | Drew Harrisberg
theproof.com/why-i-quit-keto-...
0:00 Overdosing on eggs
0:51 Keto vs vegan
3:14 The paper
4:44 Satiation vs satiety
7:39 Calorie consumption
9:10 Weight loss
10:37 Cholesterol
13:23 Blood sugar
16:01 Keto and longevity
18:07 Long term keto studies
19:21 Which diet is better?
20:55 Continuous glucose monitors
21:36 Carbohydrate insulin hypothesis
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"Do you have time for an 8 hour episode?". Chris, if you made 8 hours of content, and it was half as engaging as this presentation, I would gobble all 8 hours!
@VeganSemihCyprus33
Жыл бұрын
The truth that they don't want you to know 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
@plants_and_wellness1574
Жыл бұрын
Same!!
@wagstaff6135
Жыл бұрын
Agreed! Would definitely have time for such an 8 hour episode.
@apriljohnson6191
Жыл бұрын
Good episode. I enjoy every one. I usually watch 2-3 times (sometimes more) to understand because there is SO much information in each episode. I do have more questions now: Triglycerides weren’t mentioned and were higher in the low fat group. Why? What about more insulin? In your Diabetes episode, it was the two together that showed true glucose intolerance? Can you expound that context of this study? Also, risk, you say double of risk, but how much of a RISK is that? For those of us who haven’t had a course in statistics, double of an an unknown risk is still unknown. Is the original risk 1 in 100? 1 in 2000? One in a million? I unfortunately need a science-speak to English translation here. On a (somewhat) unrelated request for future videos, can you do a video on the green Mediterranean diet? I’d love to see your thoughts on this. Kevin Hall really needs to write a book. How can your fans get on the bandwagon to get him to write it? Can you be a co-author?? Inquiring minds want to know. :)
@pixievincent2478
Жыл бұрын
It might take me a few sessions to watch it, but I definitely would. Can you imagine how long it would take poor Chris to film it???
Now I really want to see a similar study with two vegan diets: one low fat and one somewhat high fat for a typical vegan diet.
@GargiSingh3
Жыл бұрын
I have been vegan for more than 10 years now and actually gained weight on high fat vegan diet (lots and lots of coconut oil). This is anecdotal. Personally, this ruined my lipid profile and gave me fatty liver and insulin resistance. I am back on low fat vegan diet and am recovering slowly. Let us see what science says.
@sisu332
Жыл бұрын
@@GargiSingh3 I enjoy coconut milk in my lentil recipes a lot, but I've been put off by the conflicting studies on the effects of it. That is why I really want to see a study with two fully plant-based diets, one high fat and the other low fat, so I could finally get some sense of what I should restrict. Glad you are recovering!
@Curioinfinity
Жыл бұрын
Here is an awesome channel for oil-free vegan cooking. It can be hard finding good recipes and techniques. I made his falafel today with the vegan tzatziki sauce. SO SO SO good youtube.com/@WellYourWorld
@OrionL7
Жыл бұрын
@@GargiSingh3 Coconut oil is high in saturated fat. Unsaturated fats shouldn't be a problem.
@Andrew-kr2qg
Жыл бұрын
@@GargiSingh3 although there are good and bad fats, a surplus of calories from fat will result in the deposition of adipose tissue, as you know. I aim for approximately 15-20% of my calories to come from fat “or” 50-70 grams per day, based on 3,000 calories (plant-based). 1 gram of fat is 9 calories. As for saturated fats, not all are of equal consequence. Coconut’s saturated fat is distributed among serval types with Lauric Acid being the prominent (47%). This is important because lauric acid’s carbon chain length is 12. Comparing that to the saturated fat found in a steak (stearic acid) being 18 carbon chain lengths. Basically, the longer carbon chain lengths are suggested to have greater deleterious effects, such as increasing LDL.
I just got back home from holiday. I went from 192 to 201 lbs. Which is about the same, so I'm real happy about that 😊
@natalietannerblogger-theed9419
Жыл бұрын
LOL!
@heidikamrath1951
Жыл бұрын
Love it!
@bradleythomas5350
Жыл бұрын
Lol! 😂😂😂
@brandonyoung4910
Жыл бұрын
A mere 5% increase. Non significant lol
@rfit3957
Жыл бұрын
😂
"So my total cholesterol went from 207-277.' So that is about the same ." He said that with a straight face & all. Clearly, he missed his calling. Should've been a politician instead .
The backgrounds, your family members, the interviewed experts, and especially the video content are always so entertaining, great job! I've never seen a cooler grandpa and KZreadr, thanks so much for another awesome video, Chris! 🌱
I didn't know this either: "Satiety and satiation are related terms that are often used interchangeably, but they actually refer to different aspects of the feeling of fullness and satisfaction after eating. Satiety refers to the feeling of fullness and satisfaction that persists after a meal and suppresses hunger and the desire to eat again. It is a longer-term feeling that relates to the overall energy balance of the body and can last for several hours after a meal. Satiation, on the other hand, refers to the feeling of fullness and satisfaction that occurs during a meal and signals the end of eating. It is a shorter-term feeling that relates to the immediate sensory experience of eating, such as the taste and texture of food. In summary, satiation is the feeling of fullness and satisfaction *during* a meal that makes you stop eating, while satiety is the feeling of fullness and satisfaction *after* a meal that helps you maintain a healthy energy balance by reducing hunger and the desire to eat." (From ChatGPT)
@voice4voicelessKrzysiek
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for that, it makes sense to me, now, I couldn't follow watching the video.
@natalietannerblogger-theed9419
Жыл бұрын
I think we all learned some new vocabulary words today!
@Joseph1NJ
Жыл бұрын
@@natalietannerblogger-theed9419 The words I had already known, it's just the nuance difference between the two I didn't.
@BootsWms
3 ай бұрын
Can one have too much satiety? I'm usually only a little hungry once a day, if even that. Was the hormone grehlin mentioned in the vid? I didn't watch it all.
"My total cholesterol went from 207 to 277 which is about the same." 🤣 I laughed out loud so hard after this. How can these guys be this out of touch with reality? Well, whatever you have to do to stick to your untruthful views of reality.. 🤷♂
@chaoticodin09411
Жыл бұрын
Seriously!! It’s like me saying “officer I was only going 7 miles over the speed limit” vs. “I was going 77 miles over the speed limit.” 😂😂
@subliminalfalllenangel2108
Жыл бұрын
The guy smoked too much cracks I guess.
@dinasallak9516
Жыл бұрын
Me too, scared the dogs I laughed so loud; awesome clip exposing the b.s. of Keto/Paleo, etc.
@Kristers_K
Жыл бұрын
Don't forget the most important LDL from 136 to 201 being ''the same''. I was like - are we looking at the same numbers? 🤣🤣🤣 Seriously this is so ridiculous.
@subliminalfalllenangel2108
Жыл бұрын
@@Kristers_K when I read that line, I knew this is full of crap. Can't believe I followed this guy for a year.
Your humor, editing are amazing !!! Please, please if possible make a health documentary!! It’s your calling!! At least a 30 minute long series. Please!!
Oh my, I'm biased in favor of keto (perhaps not decades uninterupted), but I have two points to make, which I think are free from that bias: 1) Keto doesn't always mean low fiber. The types of vegetables prefered on keto often have plenty of fiber. And if people bake then there is also for example psyllium, oat fiber and coconut flour. I ate more vegetables after I started keto than before, even though only a certain amount was allowed (I admit my eating habits before were poor). So while vegan low-fat surely wins over keto in terms of amount and variety of fiber, keto can contain enough fiber. 2) The calorie rich foods do make it easier to have a much higher intake when a person isn't counting their calories. And you even explain why. With the calorie (and fat) intake of the LC group, it's a proof that keto works, that they lost any body fat at all, when based on calories alone, they should have been gaining it. This excess intake also explains the blood tests results of this study. And elevated uric acid - how much meat were they consuming? Keto done right improves metabolic markers in the blood. Most people on keto, if they are on it to lose weight, DO watch their calories. And on keto the calorie restriction doesn't cause hunger, even if satiation isn't effective on it's own to keep the calories low or reasonable. Even if they stop counting, they DO know to keep the portions smaller. I think I remember seeing studies where the same calorie intakes on LC and LF diets were compared and then keto WAS the more effective option for losing body fat. PS: Which group enjoyed their food more? That's also important for a sustainable nutrition style.
@jgreen9361
4 күн бұрын
Which group enjoy their food more? As I eat a bigger and bigger diversity of vegan food, the average omnivore meat based diet seems so boring. It’s not that it is restrictive, it is that it becomes a lazy diet by habit.
@kentroskelley1389
Күн бұрын
What were the links to studies you thought you remembered?
stick of butter i almost threw up ,seeing that
Just at the beginning, but when I heard total cholesterol of 277 is the same as 207 I literally exclaimed, “WHAT!?” and then when I heard 136 to 201, I exclaimed, “IN WHAT WORLD!?”. EDIT: Made it further into the video - super interesting, especially considering my latest video on hunger and keto. I’ll need to look over the data again!
@gcs7817
Жыл бұрын
I think Dr Ekberg misspoke and shame on his editing .... In the past he has said that his cholesterol scores are above 250. TGL and HDL were about 100 and his LDL was "elevated" at 180. He said those were his normal levels
@GamingXperience
Жыл бұрын
@@gcs7817 That makes a lot more sense, i was pretty confused when i saw that, lol...
@BobbyHill69.
11 ай бұрын
Protein has the highest satiety
@user-dq5gc2uk5p
26 күн бұрын
I know you! 😮
This is one of the best channels on KZread. The production is excellent. The way you weave the info together and correct mistakes as you find them. It’s a 10 from me. 🤩
When he said his numbers were the same (after eating those eggs) I was drinking tea and I have never been closer to doing a spit take in my life. We need spit take warnings!!! But seriously… completely nuts! Thank you for the videos! You and Dr Gil are my favorite go-to nutrition channels. You are very entertaining and yet scientific, who knew that was even possible!
@effervescentrelief
Жыл бұрын
Yeah when he said "basically the same" I instantly heard in my mind, "one of these things is not like the other."
@Curioinfinity
Жыл бұрын
@@effervescentrelief 😂 he must have not watched Sesame Street.
@nonfictionone
Жыл бұрын
Oh, his LDL had only gone up 50% in 7 days. Wait a minute, … :-O
@Curioinfinity
Жыл бұрын
@@nonfictionone it’s just irresponsible for this man to use his platform to blatantly say inaccuracies. I know he is a “doctor” and I truly believe people are capable of understanding things without a degree HOWEVER he (and Dr Berg) make grave mistakes when speaking on a LOT of topics and people are listening and believing them primarily because they sound knowledgeable and they are doctors. I’m saddened that this could be causing harm. Thank you to PlantChompers for making this usually unconsumable science highly palatable for those of us who just want good info so we can feel confident that we are making informed decisions!! You always hear doctors say, don’t look it up on the internet and my reply to that is: well are you going to tell me what I need to know? I can’t afford university! But I can read and listen. I’ll happily follow medical advice but it takes me two to six months to get an appointment that lasts ten minutes. And then I get sent to four different specialists that treat one part of the body and don’t communicate with one another. By educating myself somewhere, maybe at least I have better questions to ask these very distant medical professionals when I see them.
@larryc1616
Жыл бұрын
Yes he's good, but Dr Gil is too chicken sh1t to call out the MD quacks promoting deadly carnivore diet to ignorant laymen like ken berry. He only picks on the DC's. 🙄
This is the complicated but exceptionally explained we need more of.
Ive just recently started eating 2 good meals a day within about 7 to 8 hours. Lots of fresh veggies, spuds, chicken & fish & some fruit each day. Occasionally bread & rice & pasta, but not huge amounts. kind of everything in moderation. The BEST thing I did was make 2 rules for myself. No added sugar to anything I eat and, stop eating at 7pm. Nada. Finish! No crap while I'm watching TV at night. I cook from scratch & use yummy olive & avocado oil with the odd knob of butter. It's a delicious healthy mediterranean, leaning diet with some milk & eggs some days. So far 8 kgs have just dropped off me. If I am truthful, the food that I am eating now is pretty close to what I ate before. I've always eaten good quality fruit, vegetables and nuts and high-fiber foods BUT I have decreased the amount I eat and now have a start & finish time and dont just endlessly graze and eat unnecessary calories. Also, get rid of sugar, It's unbelievably fattening
@SkrletSoul
4 ай бұрын
Basically what I'm doing as well! I am glad and I hope I can keep working on my prediabetes this way. Just got diagnosed in October, but I'm sticking to no added sugars on anything and a nice self-cooked Mediterranean diet, with 16:8 intermittent fasting, whole ingredients mostly. In this short time being aware of added sugars on so many things has been eye-opening!! 😮
Nice! As someone who has eaten mostly plant based for five years, but who occasionally falls off the meat wagon, I can tell you that I can notice the negative affects on my body as soon as a few hours. Before I started, I had acne, inflammation in my back and joints, ED, and explosive bathroom episodes. Two weeks of nothing but plants (with homemade baked french fries no oil as my main go to for curbing cravings) literally cured all those symptoms. No more acne, no more inflammation, #2 Lincoln logs in the morning like clockwork, and improved bedroom performance. Since then, my body has become extremely sensitive to eating what would be considered a normal western diet. I think it's just because I know what healthy feels like. Many people are suffering, and they don't even know it. If they do know it, they assume it's just ageing or genetics, and they turn to doctors and pills to treat the symptoms. Yep, they treat the symptoms, but they don't treat the cause. Great video, my man - keep it up!
@Arternis
Жыл бұрын
Glad it worked for you. I was vegetarian for 6 years and 1 year vegan. At first it was no problem for me but after a few years I realized I was getting weaker and got achy joints and I lost weight altough I was training regularly. I tried pretty much every diet in the last 10 years and wrote a masters thesis on intermittent fasting. In the end going back to an animal based diet worked really good for me. Lot of people eat a lot of s*** when they say that they eat meat but you should really focus on minced beef e.g. as most meat dishes in studies are also a "salami pizza" where there is barely any meat on it. I do only eat higher amount of carbs when I train. Actually I just wanted to say what works for me, might not work for others. Everybody got to try how they feel when they eat certain foods, that's the only way to really find it out. Cheers!
@davidjones-wr3pg
Жыл бұрын
@@Arternis Good for you, and I'm glad you found something that works for you. The Petersons certainly seem to be doing well too. I look at it from a perspective of what can I not live without. I can definitely live without cheese, milk and meat. If I had to give up beer, bread, or fruit, I don't think I could hack it.
@rachelgoodkind6545
Жыл бұрын
@@Arternis Many so-called vegetarians or vegans do not eat a whole food balanced "diet". Many "vegetarians" load up on dairy and chees, known to cause arthritis and other problems. Of course they experience health problems, but usually blame the "diet" not their food choices. Cheers.
@Arternis
Жыл бұрын
@@davidjones-wr3pg Seems absolutely reasonable to me. I am constantly trying to reintroduce foods into my diet to make it as variable as possible :). I love certain beans that are traditional in my area but I am not doing well when eating them so I cut them out most of the time but when I do eat them I do it on purpose. For me it's like the glass of alcohol here and there with friends. The only "diet" that you will stick to is the one you enjoy! All the best!
@Artemis19811
11 ай бұрын
I’ve had the exact opposite effects. Was veg/vegan for 5 years and was suffering daily. I’ve always been active in MMA and working as a chef. Once I stopped eating vegan food and switched to steak and eggs, all of my issues went away in 5 days. I suffered from fatigue, inflammation, acne, stomach issues, insomnia, hair loss, inability to keep weight(135)( now I’m 175)and bleeding gums. Everything has healed and I’ve kept healthy weight. Every time I eat gluten or dark greens I feel it in 4 hours. Inflammation and stomach problems. My guess is people have to find what works for them and not be so rigid or cultish about food 😅
I can't get enough of your videos .... sometimes i just want to call you to tell you to hurry up and release more ,more ,more .... Thank you Cris ...you are national treasure..
This ignores the studies published by the acc, Ada, and aha, showing that high serum cholesterol and dietary saturated fat are not good indicators of health risk. ApoB IS, and LDLs and apob are NOT similar.
@swiftxrapid919
Ай бұрын
Are you kidding bro? The acc, ada and aha are all funded by meat and beverage industry. How gullible do you have to be to trust them.
Thank you Chris. Your excellent, informative, entertaining content continually inspires me. Loved seeing your beautiful grandchildren and Annie looks amazing!
❤I love your videos! You're so wise and your explanations are clear and entertaining! I enjoy watching your family members participating in your videos! So sweet!❤
@VeganSemihCyprus33
Жыл бұрын
The truth that they don't want you to know 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
Really enjoyed this episode… so eye opening… I had no idea about the Inuit’s mutation , keto doctors reference them so much…..you are my hero ❤
Thank you for your content! This video came up on my KZread recommendations, and the timing of it was perfect. I was 2 days into my latest low carb diet run and watching your videos convinced me to give it up. So instead cooking up bacon and eggs this morning, it's steel cut oatmeal and wild blueberries. While I thought a high carb low fat diet was probably healthier for me, I could never get my mind to fully commit to the diet. But the way you structured and edited your videos really helped me believe your message over all the videos i've seen promoting keto / low carb diets. Great video -- love the editing and the length and depth of and information shared!!
@PlantChompers
6 ай бұрын
Thank you! I put more time and effort into this one than any other, because I thought the topic was so important.
Something to consider on caloric density and satiation is that cultures who traditionally eat very rich foods (french) do so slowly and in a social setting. So taking people who are used to eating food extremely fast (americans) will offer different results than people who eat slowly in terms of satiation. In my opinion at least.
@spiral-m
Жыл бұрын
The French Paradox of the French being in good health despite High amounts of fat, turned out to be a hoax: if I remember rightly: they fiddled the heart disease data (reported to the EU or WHO). Basically they reported no increase in heart disease over a period of time after the advent of cheap animal products (I.e. increase in consumption of these) with the onset of factory farming. But that period of time was not enough for the long term cardiovascular problems to become evident. They also reduced the number of adverse events by 10%! I know France pretty well and there are plenty of pill-poppers and obesity from my observations. Not as much as in the USA although that is not saying much!
@lastharvest4044
Жыл бұрын
@@spiral-m I agree, and I wouldn't argue they're the healthiest example. Just specifically that eating slowly and in a social setting affects satiation when consuming dense foods would change the quantity consumed. It is true that people in the US consume food much faster than worldwide averages, and putting them on a high fat diet is going to lead to overeating in most instances.
@peter5.056
Жыл бұрын
@@lastharvest4044 restaurant meals in France tend to be MUCH smaller that the US, too.
@user-vv1jt1qn5q
3 ай бұрын
I am French and we know that it takes 30’ to the brain to receive a satiation signal…useless to try eating faster, you will end up eating after for not feeling satiated.
I believe the vegan diet that Kevin Hall used in the study was also filled with refined carbs (white rice, white pasta etc) which makes the positive results even more interesting.
@PlantChompers
Жыл бұрын
That's true. I should have mentioned that.
Loved this! Thank you for taking the time to put this together 🙂
I _am_ OCD like you! And I sure do love your videos! Keep up the great work! You address so many of the same issues and questions rattling around in my own head. ;)
😮 since when is a 48% increase (LDL from 136 to 201) staying the same??
35% increase in LDL. "That is about the same. Also, did you know that 5 = 7?"
@aureliaglenn2220
Жыл бұрын
Truly would be hilarious if the delusion weren't dangerous.
@Calzadar
Жыл бұрын
Where's 35% coming from? The LDL went from 136 to 201 which is a 48% increase.
Feel free to make longer videos 🤗 I love your videos so much ❤
So excited when I see one of your videos pop up! So well researched. Thank you!
Man, Kevin produces such good studies, I think it was also his team that did the processed food diet. Definitely need a book :)
Just the best KZread channel. Period. Thank you so much for what you do. It is very helpful🙏
Congratulations on the new grand baby. Adorable full head of hair...
Love your content, Chris. So valuable to have voices speaking up for science and against quackery. Many will still fall for the quackery, but you, sir, are doing more than your part to bring good science to the public. Bravo 🎉to you!
Another great video, I'm always stoked when a new video of yours pops up!
I cant tell you enough how much I enjoy your videos! Thank you for sharing
Another incredible, insightful video my friend, gaining more and more wisdom every time. :) And i really mean it, i appreciate the effort you put into all the research you've done over time. I don't personally have the dedication or desire to do research as i have other interests i devote my time to, so watching scientifically-minded people like you is incredibly helpful. I have no doubt that even the future generations, including your grandchildren could benefit from this. After all, what can better than looking back and knowing and being proud of how great/smart your grandpa was no? :) All my grandparents are long gone, but i still have the memories and knowledge they shared from the time they were alive. Keep up the great work, for yourself and all those who are yet to come :)
Great video as always. Can't wait for the interview with Dr. Bulsiewicz!
Interesting. Here's what i know from personal experience. My exercise regimen was unchanged. I went from an omnivore diet (what the FDA would consider to be balanced) to a keto (nearly carnivore) lost 35 pounds and got off bp meds... migraines stopped. Slept better. Excema improved asthma all but went away... evegy levels up amd kore mental clarity. Went back to the normal FDA diet and all that started to reverse. So went back to keto/carnivore and weight back off mood better... sleep better... etc.
@HYPERWATER
Жыл бұрын
The thing is “Why did he not show the water weight chart” “Why did he not show the body fat chart” When you consume lots of carbs Your body retains water For all we know A weight lost could be losing fat water or muscles and else And all we know is that more fat was lost in the low fat diet But the thing is carbs retain water Most likely what happened is In the low carbs people quickly loses water weight Which I don’t get why people thinks it is a bad thing It’s literally less bloating Just because it makes the kgs drops faster without gaining as much benefits as dropping fats It only makes it tricky to analyze not bad In low carb you have way less water increase muscle mass and lose a little fat While on the low fat side you retain lots of water due to the carb Losing lots of muscle and fat on the way The data only says “more fat lost for low fat” “more kgs lost for low carb” Kgs lost ? Did you gain muscle lost water? Did you gain water lost muscle? More fat lost? Why not show the body fat percentage for better representation of the result?
@derikandreoli5177
Жыл бұрын
@HYPERWATER Actually, I can answer most of this. Lost about 10 pounds of water and more than the rest (25 pounds ... 35 total minus 10 water) was fat as I did gain some muscle. This is what my smart scale says and it jives with the pace of weightloss (rapid in first couple weeks then very controlled and steady at around 1.5 pounds to 2 pounds per week thereafter. In addition to the extra water gain (water bonds to glycogen) and elevated blood pressure (and in my case migraines) that goes with it, carbs (especially processed) impact hormones that impact satiation (the feeling of being full at end of meal) and having high ketones control satiety (feeling of remaining full between meals). I experimented with vegetarian diet and I lost muscle mass and suffered from low energy levels that made it hard to workout... so for instance... same heart rate was associated with slower speed on my bike. I also got sick repeatedly on vegetarian diet. Not so on a keto diet. In fact my wife started work as a school teacher after I became keto, and while she has brought numerous colds home, I have not become sick. So there's that. A man with receipts.
@ellamay3816
Жыл бұрын
@@derikandreoli5177 I mean you said a vegetarian diet, not a vegan or plant based diet so....
@derikandreoli5177
Жыл бұрын
@Ella May what is your point? I've tried vegan, vegetarian, carnivore, and keto. I track all kinds of data points, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that the worst for me was FDA recommendations (food pyramid), then vegan, then vegetarian. Keto and carnivore have been the only diets with consistent results for me. I am stronger with more endurance, lower body fat, better blood pressure, etc. I don't have an ideological horse in this race. I just have mounds of data from trying different diets and eslxercise programs for more than 30 years (I am 50).
@redbeard9586
Жыл бұрын
I’ve had many of the same results! Congrats on your healing!
According to Dr. Paul Saladino, glucose intolerance in ketogenic diets are due to cells that can take in ketones, preferring ketones as the energy source rather than glucose, as long as the fat fuel is available, and thereby leaving elevated glucose in the blood and give the appearance of insulin resistance. I would like to see the glucose test performed on someone who is on a keto diet where they regularly have a post-prandial insulin spike due to adequate intake of protein per meal, not the "stay in ketosis even during meals" version of keto. Or the glucose test performed on someone that has just done steady state cardio and/or HIIT to test how well glycogen stores that were depleted soak up the elevated blood sugar. As for LDL cholesterol, the study with coconut oil and pigs is suspect if the pig feed was primarily starchy grains. Chronically high insulin due to meal frequency and blood sugar spikes wear down the arterial wall, while causing the liver to not recycle small LDL particles into larger forms, allowing these small particles to stay in the blood and enter the gaps of the arterial wall created by insulin (and insulin resistance) remaining in the blood for prolonged periods of time to lower blood sugar. (Randle Cycle) These small LDL particles then get oxidized in the arterial wall, attacked by white blood cells, and plaque is then formed. The original study decades ago, for LDL cholesterol utilized a diet that consisted of 30% net carbohydrates and labeled that "Low carb" when that is approximately 150g's of carbohydrates based on a 2kcal diet. That is too high to be considered a low carbohydrate diet, and due to the Randle Cycle, too many carbohydrates and saturated fat will cause triglyceride levels to rise if exercise (both cardio and strength training) aren't used to help utilize the blood glucose and potential fat fuel. Furthermore, ketogenic omnivorous diets can make use of monounsaturated fats (from avocado, avocado oil, nuts, seeds, olives and olive oil) to supplement their fat intake. Monounsaturated fat is shown not to raise LDL cholesterol. As well as stearic acid. If you're going to have net carbohydrates in your diet, fiber becomes necessary (soluble) to blunt the blood glucose spike. Insoluble fiber can also help with blunting fat absorption(good for cholesterol control) and protein absorption(not good). Without many carbs in the diet, fiber isn't necessary at all.
@rahulrahul_awsjunkie
Жыл бұрын
@kenshinhan - great response. I tried to respond on similar lines but either I am blocked (not surprised) or I might have mentioned Dave Feldman site name for cholesterol study and group of citizen scientists so it might have been deleted. Looks like the episode clearly lacks the knowledge of gluconeogenesis and the dawn effects. There’s also no corresponding graph of insulin level. Besides I am also interested in looking at several vitamins levels esp the fat soluble ones. There’s no data provided.
I could never live on a high fat animal based diet. I need my carbs- my lentils, chickpeas, tofu, oatmeal, rice veggies and fruit... Besides there's a history of ❤️ heart disease in my family. My father died of a heart attack at 74!!!! He ate meat every day!
@frankiefernandez5252
Жыл бұрын
That's how a drug addict talks. " I need my ( ) every day"
@frankiefernandez5252
Жыл бұрын
And your dad probably ate bread with the meat. Deadly combo.
@spiral-m
Жыл бұрын
My uncle died in his late 50s of colon cancer. He ate bacon and eggs with white bread for breakfast almost every day.
@zeebest1004
Жыл бұрын
Do any of you see the low/no fiber factors involved?
@ghostviggen
Жыл бұрын
Nothing indicates that high fat animal based diet is causing heart disease. There are several risk factors that causes health issues. Stress, genetics, smoking, obesity etc etc.
You have an amazing family.. bless you guys.. I don't eat a lot of processed stuff (just not interested cuz they make me feel terrible) ...but I'm vegan for animals!
@burritodog3634
11 ай бұрын
im carnivore but i also feel bad for the animals. its just a necessary evil i suppose. humans suffer far more than animals though so you cant feel too bad.
@user-rv4mq3xv3p
10 ай бұрын
"You're vegan for animals"? You're a delusional virtue signaller, good for you!!!.... go read former vegan activist Lierre Keiths book....There is NOTHING you eat for which something has not died....
I did keto and 20 hour fasts everyday for 4 months. Lost 3 stone. I had no energy. Stopped keto because I had no energy to do anything but kept the fasting lifestyle and now I have energy I can workout which means I can get back the muscle I lost whilst on keto. It's processed foods we should avoid. Not any macronutrient. Lesson learnt.
Probably the best KZread video that i have watched. You have finally proved to me what diet i should be eating and the world is being conned by highly paid spin-doctors. Confusion keeps the peasants in their place. Thank you, Thank you. Keep up your great work and I appreciate all your hard work reading all those technical reports. Victor
Thank you for the good work you do. Great video !
I do not beleive anyone I see online is thriving on animal based diets. I literally felt like I might die on the keto diet and suffered ketoacidosis and low blood sugar so bad I couldn’t get up. Eating a banana gave me life. There’s no way people live like that .
@yingyang1008
11 ай бұрын
It's how your ancestors lived for hundreds of thousands of years
@user-io8bm6gz5z
11 ай бұрын
@@yingyang1008 couple million years at least.
@Jodie-masterson
2 ай бұрын
@@yingyang1008😂😂😂
@yingyang1008
2 ай бұрын
@@Jodie-masterson feel free to list what carbs you would eat living in a forest in Europe Remember you are living outside and it's freezing cold half the year and you need at least 3000 kcal for you and tens of thousands more kcal for your dependents
@Jodie-masterson
2 ай бұрын
@@yingyang1008 🤣
That's not a more or less trained pancreas that affected the glucose tolerance test. It was the fatty blood in the LC diet that caused insuline resistance. It is explained in detail on Liver Rescue by Anthony William.
@jimmysixx7259
Жыл бұрын
The Triglycerides (fat circulation in the blood) went down even more in the study stated above, it's happened every time in keto diet.
Thanks again, Chris -- your videos give my "new broom syndrome". I often think the one I just watched is the best one yet!
I will be patiently (and excitedly) waiting for an interview with Dr. B whenever you can make that happen!
Oh, I also love your family escapades and the natureful scenery in your videos. I truly believe those who enjoy carnivore really do not or rarely care at all about studies that citicize their dietary choices. They smile and enjoy what they eat and seem to consistently say they feel better, and great. I still believe in saving animals lives however.
@saszablaze1
10 ай бұрын
"Carnivores" are the most deluded group of ppl on earth, besides narcissists and transsexuals aka transgender
Sten Ekberg: Who you gonna believe, me, or yer lyin' eyes? I really enjoyed this exploration of Dr Hall's findings--not a surprise to most of here, I'd wager--and enjoyed the scenic but dynamic springtimey vistas accompanying your narration. Thanks for posting!
LDL: 136 to 201, the same Imagine seeing a tiny grandma who is 136 cm tall, and a 201 cm basketball player, and thinking to yourself... It's about the same, lol.
As a 2 1/2 year carnivore it took me a good 3 to 6 months to become fully fat adapted and my ketone levels stayed high so I’m pretty sure that my clear brain zero brain fog depression and anxiety gone are benefiting me on a ketogenic diet.
@honkymonkey9568
Жыл бұрын
A comment like that won't get you a ❤ on this channel.
@User-ro8dl
Жыл бұрын
Good god you carnivore's sound so hollow. Anxiety gone, ok, would you like a cookie? Anything about any type of body specific readings, such as cholesterol, plaque build up, etc? No? Just the very common anecdotal, brain fog gone = superhuman diet. So fucking dumb lol.
@jaycreek1
Жыл бұрын
Obviously didn’t understand the studies
@giulias.5104
Жыл бұрын
yes but you have signed up for dying 10-20 years earlier, with various deseases. Are you sure is that how you want to end your life?
@captainsloth5895
Жыл бұрын
@@giulias.5104 What a stupid thing to say?
I love your science based, level headed videos. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. You do the study so I don't have to. Thank you.
"Do you have time for an 8 hour episode?" YES please :)
I LOVE and look forward to your videos!! I’ve been keto for 4 years and had much weight loss but at what cost?? Thank you for the eye opening fact based information!! I know it’s time to go plant base for many reasons!
@MichaelHplus
Жыл бұрын
I switched from lower carb for many years after being fairly convinced by “paleo” experts (some with PhDs). Eventually I suffered symptoms that I attribute to this style of eating. Now I’m upping the carbs and discarding the animal products.
@anaosuna2481
Жыл бұрын
@@MichaelHplus If I may ask, what symptoms did you suffer from?
@GregariousAntithesis
Жыл бұрын
Probably didnt up your electrolytes, my blood pressure was staying below 90/70 with a heart rate over 140. All because of low sodium, potassium and magnesium. Completely normalized after making my own electrolyte drink. Problem is most people don't recognize just how much added crap you dont need is in garbage food but also other stuff that is critical like electrolytes. No junk food your salt i take goes to mostly zero from well close to 3000mg a day or higher on garbage. Considering the body uses the electrolytes for the electrical signaling its obvious why they are so critical especially to heart function.
@11235Aodh
Жыл бұрын
Check out dr. Peter Rogers aswell, he'll explain what fat does to your cell's mitochondria, you really shouldn't want it anymore.
@jamiem3115
Жыл бұрын
So you can be bloated, fart like a trooper and destroy your intestines with all that useless unnecessary and indigestible fibre. I guarantee you’ll be back to eating meat in less than 3 years.
Thanks! WFPB here (11 years, 68 yo). Also follow some of the aging research and noticed two relevant measurements which were a lot better in the PBLF group - BCAA and hsCRP. Generally both have been associated with longer lives when lower. Work from the Lamming Lab implicates isoleucine as the key BCAA to keep low. Also encouraged by ApoB delta and fiber difference (which was huge). Would have been nice to see kidney and liver function data as well as more hormone data but nevertheless very helpful.
@dah_goofster
Жыл бұрын
At the very least hormone data, can’t believe they didn’t add that in.
@Stupid_young
11 ай бұрын
Great work Peter. You are way older than me and it’s good to see wfpb lifestyle is helping you. I believe it is very sustainable for long term health benefits.
So good (as always)! Thanks Chris & Co.!
I enjoy every video you make. You don't convince me scientifically that vegan is better than keto more than Sten Ekberg convinces me of the opposite, but the confusing mix of facts and opinions you subject me to makes me struggle with these questions, and that's a good step in the right direction. Keep up the good work, brother.
Make those 8 hours Chris. Seriously. Put them into parts if need be. Do it!!!
As a young researcher, I love how scientific study/evidence is carefully and well explained in your videos. Your channel has absolutely become one of my favorite ones to learn. Please share more of your wisdom with us!
More Gold Chris,. Thank you for all your hard work.
This was interesting to watch because I just got my blood panel results back and could compare mine to the study results. I love these Plant Chompers videos and appreciate all the time you put into them.
This channel is like a shining light in the dark of night. 💡🔦🕯️
(I don't promote ketogenic diets or very low carb diets. Hypocaloric diets with low inflammatory agents tend to reduce insulin exposure and A1C fastest regardless of the macro breakdown). Glucose tolerance tests are contraindicated as diagnostic for people who have been on a low carb diet because glycolytic enzyme synthesis is suppressed when insulin levels are chronically low. In addition, the muscles load with free fatty acids in lieu of some glycogen, so the muscle cells remain "loaded" and there is less room to take on glucose, in addition to the pancreatic response to glucose being blunted (as the doctor indicated). We KNOW however that low insulin exposure reduces the disposal of glucose at the cellular level because emerging type 1 diabetics often have a reduction in insulin needs after a few weeks of insulin therapy. I mean we absolutely know that newly diagnosed type 1 diabetics HAVE glucose in their muscle cells, but aren't burning them. In a hypocaloric situation, ketogenic diets don't produce as profound a spike with a glucose tolerance test. It has been shown to reverse within 2-3 days of eating over 25% carbs. Insulin actually increases insulin sensitivity in the short term by stimulating synthesis of glycolytic enzymes. Keep in mind that while high glucose levels (140+) can destroy beta cells, insulin exposure is regarded by researchers as the primary mechanism of the development of insulin resistance at the cellular level. The pancreas' ability to produce and release insulin is not equivalent to insulin resistance but is often misinterpreted as being so. Here's the problem. Work with type 1 diabetics have shown that on a per carb gram basis, starches that have low GI, like al dente pasta and legumes actually require 150-200% as much insulin to manage over an extended period of time of 8-12 hours. The rise in glucose is very slow, but much of the glucose from those carbs is released and absorbed in a very delayed fashion as the fiber and intrinsic proteins are broken down, and it appears that there may even be sensors in the large intestine that sense the presence of "bulk" or stretch, and trigger the pancreas to release glucagon which raises blood sugar, and requires extra insulin to counteract. There is no doubt that high gluten pasta requires more insulin on a carb gram basis than carbs with less fiber and associated proteins. The gluten forms a gelatinous covering around starch granules that causes the delay and also the glucagon release signal. Harvard has confirmed this with high gluten wheat products. (I wanted to add that excessive fructose gets turned into liver fats which can make the liver insulin resistant, and fructose (and alcohol) also yields uric acid that also causes insulin resistance so basically you have three options for carbs: 1) Fructose yielding sugars-see Uric acid and fatty liver. 2) Slow digesting glucose polymers like beans and some grains which provoke glucagon release, demanding more insulin to manage and 3) Easily digested glucose polymers like rice, potato and yams and a few other sources like plantain and tapioca that don't provoke gut irritation leading to glucagon release or possibly other mechanisms of spiking blood sugar in a delayed fashion, however, these starches provoke a fast increase in blood sugar that may be above the euglycemic range. This can be blunted by combining with cellulose and resistant starch, protein and fat, or by consuming around activity. I've seen people drink 75 grams of glucose polymers during a 1 hour workout and not had their blood sugar go much over 100.
@mikafoxx2717
Жыл бұрын
See, this is real biological science. Thank you for such an informed comment.
Love your videos, so full of relevant information and great humour too: very entertaining and informative. Thanks Chris 😊
@user-io8bm6gz5z
11 ай бұрын
conclusion = triglycerides were trending upwards.. and just in 14 days.. no telling how high theyd be in 3 months. Higher triglycerides = more atherosclerosis.. the low carb triglycerides were trending downwards = healthier. If this guy was honest with people, or they would actually learn for themselves, he'd be telling them vegan is not as healthy and a good way to improve your chances of a heart attack.
There is a difference between keto and carnivore and low carb. Carnivore and Vegan diets aren’t great for long term health; humans are omnivores no matter how many blood tests you do to confirm biases in a short term study. People have individual needs that might skew them more plant or animal based., but the Blue Zones studies seem to push towards more plant-based, but not solely plant-based diets. I tried a Vegan diet and in week 4 I had to add in some eggs daily because I was craving protein. I felt much better with this moderate, simple protein addition and did lose weight, however my goal was to find a healthy, anti-inflammatory diet (no gluten or dairy or nightshades). There are so many variations of anti-inflammatory diets (including carnivore). Losing fat isn’t the only health marker, we are preoccupied with it because obesity is such a problem. You also need to consider how much weight a person has to lose: less than 30 lbs and greater than 30 lbs - especially as it gets towards 75, 100+. I mostly follow Mark Hyman’s Pegan diet - a combo of Paleo and Vegan: plant forward, but including moderate protein. Also similar to The Wild Diet by Abel James with intermittent and some extended fasting. I still avoid gluten due to inflammatory issues. I was able to use calorie restriction when I only had 10-15 lbs to lose - quite easy; this was essentially closest to the current low fat diets. Unfortunately I didn’t know what normal diet to use afterwards or that gluten was an issue for me back then. Kevin Hall’s paper that you cited at 7:30 seems to point this out since he calls out that this is for obese individuals. The data at 9:40 on fat versus muscle loss on LC versus LF diets is interesting, but this study was in the absence of exercise modifications. Insulin resistance is an issue for many and exercise with the exclusion of refined carbohydrates (not necessarily LC) would both work to reduce insulin’s negative effects. Dr. Mark Huberman is a neuroscientist to check out for brain effects from diet and exercise; he uses exogenous ketones to enhance cognitive function, but eats like an omnivore with some intermittent fasting. The studies looked at in your overview didn’t seem to include any time-restricted eating. This has been a key marker of health for me.
I hear many stupid things in my life but that "one stick of butter a day" woman, caught me off the guard.
@faylinameir
Жыл бұрын
She wasn’t the first person to do it either. She did it because a doctor recommended it to her.
@heidikamrath1951
Жыл бұрын
Family friend of mine in Germany visited me once (in San Francisco) and I couldn’t figure out where the butter went. Then she told me she eats the equivalent of a stick or more a day. I was shocked. Not too many years later, she had a stroke. Wheelchair-bound for the rest of her short life. Very sad.
@ghostviggen
Жыл бұрын
@@heidikamrath1951 I’m pretty sure her diet includes more things then just butter. One person I know avoided butter and still died of a stroke.
@francescaerreia8859
Жыл бұрын
Try it! It can be wonderful. I ate half a stick the other day for the first time and the tension in my temples that’s always there melted away after ten minutes in a way that’s only ever happened from drugs before. I wasn’t expecting anything like that at all.
@aguy481
7 ай бұрын
@@francescaerreia8859adrenochrome isn't gonna heal your body
My absolute favorite things to see when I get off of work are my wife, cats, and then new plant Chompers vids
@monicagrorud2225
3 ай бұрын
It’s just off work . 😊
Thank you again for all your research! Awesome!
It might be interesting to compare a vegan keto diet to a meat based keto diet and/or a low fat vegan diet.
I think it's really hard to eat a lot of fat when you are not used to it, so it probably has something to do with the gut microbiome. I used to feel VERY satiated on small amounts of fat before I got used to it. It's easier to eat it now, after some training.
@mindingmybusiness6309
Жыл бұрын
Bile
@CharGC123
Жыл бұрын
So true, after eating low fat plant based for many years, eating out can literally make me gag with all the added fat. Also, I wonder if populations of our ancestors eating a high or low fat diets in certain locations can effect our genetics, as per the example of the Innuits. Like Chris, I have familial high cholesterol, and it kept getting higher. Even eating no animal products at all it was over 300! Frustrating as I hate taking drugs! Yet my neighbor who has a horrible diet and eats mostly fast food had a reading of 170! Crazy!
@carinaekstrom1
Жыл бұрын
@@CharGC123 From what I've read, the Innuit had pretty high cholesterol, but the thing keeping it from sky rocketting was probably exercise. Nowadays they are as bad off as everyone else on fatty, fiber lacking foods. Familial hypercholesterolemia is genetic, of course, but on a population level very few populations have been so isolated that there are any major genetic differences between them and others. The fact that humans are fundamental plant eaters remains strong in the Innuit, even after thousands of years of heavy meat eating. It's not just any meat eating though, they have very special foods and techniques to be able to survive on their diet. Sorry about your fam, chol., but you know what to do, and sometimes even a statin can be necessary.
@CharGC123
Жыл бұрын
@@carinaekstrom1 Even statins couldn't get it down sufficiently, trying Repatha. Just wondering if it worth the cost and aggravation at 70!
@carinaekstrom1
Жыл бұрын
@@CharGC123 I see your point, but 70 is not very old, at least it shouldn't be. There are many things you could try though, if you want to avoid statins. Sleep and exercise are important of course, shifting out certain foods, etc. Keep trying 🙂.
I have to admit that I don't find the extreme diets (keto/vegan) all that appealing. I don't think I could sustain either one for long. I like variety and while I watch my carbs and sugars as I'm T2 I also try to watch my saturated fat intake as well but I'm not obsessive about it. I usually let my glucose meter tell me what foods I can get away. So far I like being in the middle. My A1c and my weight are down and I feel I can sustain this long term.
@saszablaze1
10 ай бұрын
Lol vegan isn't an extreme diet.
@gregorygreene1940
10 ай бұрын
@@saszablaze1 Extreme in that it's just plants whereas carnivore is just meat. I like having both in my diet.
@saszablaze1
10 ай бұрын
@@gregorygreene1940 ok, but it's not extreme. we aren't omnivores. so it's not extreme. eating meat and cooked plantfoods is ignorant, and leads to disease. if you don't mind disease and pain, and shorter lifespan, have at it; if you want the best quality of life and longevity, eat less and less flesh. dairy isn't food. eggs raw can be a good snack, but not necessary either, all we need is plantfoods.
@gregorygreene1940
10 ай бұрын
@@saszablaze1 I would say that response pretty much sums up why the majority of people view vegan/carnivore as extreme. Agree to disagree as the saying goes.
@saszablaze1
10 ай бұрын
@@gregorygreene1940 agree to disagree is a really good way to swerve admitting you're wrong "oh i didn't know that, what do you mean?/tell me more" most people die in pain, cut years off their life, take like 10 - 20 meds, but think a diet they never heard of til the last 10 - 20 years - because everyone is so culturally brainwashed and ignorant is - is extreme. carnivore IS extreme, because it cuts out what humans need to live good lives mentally physically nourished and hydrated; vegan doesn't cut anything we actually need out; it just requires people shift their paradigm; learn what's healthy, what's not, and you can't stop at vegan; "vegan" can fuck you up; it's RAW vegan, or mostly raw which will bring true health in body & mind. fat free vegan. that's extreme. when we go vegan, in order to sustain it and be healthy, we need to lose grains and beans and fried foods, quick, or we get lethargic, grumpy, hypoglycaemic, get injuries that don't heal so well, lose weight, or gain it etc etc.
Chris, yet another wonderful, evidenced based yet balanced set of observations. The more people that engage with your work, the better global and planetary health will be. I salute you sir!
Yes I know the video I can't stop watching and it's on your channel always your channel I love your channel!!
Really interesting video, thanks again for all your effort! Can't wait for the "Fiber" video 😅
As someone who is also trained to sniff out good and bad info, due to my academic background, thank you for doing an episode on this.
How valid a conclusion could you get from 14 days then swing to polar opposite without resetting to base conditions? How much is body adaptation and how much is purely influenced by the foods?
@francescaerreia8859
Жыл бұрын
Nothing valid at all
@gloriasilveira5332
3 ай бұрын
Well and also were the women in the study cycling or were they on hormonal birth control? Because for a healthy woman, 14 days is nothing and she's only halfway through the cycle. They would have needed to wait 28 days to see the true impact as fat burning and metabolism naturally speed up in the last phase (luteal) of the female cycle, so this would have skewed results. Women almost need their own separate studies done.
Love this channel, only seen like 5 videos but I can listen to you for hours on end.
i am always looking up books to read after your videos :-)
Thanks for another fun but super informative video!!
I think I love you. That was amazing. Thank you. I’ve been reading everything I can get my hands on about these two diets and this was perfect.
@user-io8bm6gz5z
11 ай бұрын
or... maybe do some more research and learn about triglycerides and how they are a marker of heart disease developing then wonder why this guy passed right over the fact that they were going up on the vegan diet and down on the low carb
Thank you so much for investing the time and energy into all this and staying open for new information. We need a voice of reason in the mids of all the confusing emotional and often radical opinions of KZread food & diet 'experts'.
@user-io8bm6gz5z
11 ай бұрын
conclusion = triglycerides were trending upwards.. and just in 14 days.. no telling how high theyd be in 3 months. Higher triglycerides = more atherosclerosis.. the low carb triglycerides were trending downwards = healthier. If this guy was honest with people, or they would actually learn for themselves, he'd be telling them vegan is not as healthy and a good way to improve your chances of a heart attack.
14:40 maybe you have time to make a video about the difference between blood sugar and insulin output. Generally, I think this is where the key differences are. From my perspective the goal should be to have use the least amount of insulin to prevent insulin resistance. Interestingly enough, there isnt a one to one correlation between insulin production and blood sugar levels. I dug down that hole when I tried to figure out why some people think potatoes are bad ("waaay to high" GI), but ended up finding a study that showed that even though your blood sugar might be higher, the insulin response in comparison to pasta ("good" GI food) is a lot lower, especially over time.
My grandparents were lifelong diabetics. I remember as a kid going to visit and the house always smelled like grease. This was in rural Indiana. Meat was a mainstay. I honestly didn't even know what lentils or quinoa was until my mid 20s. I remember even at a young age being struck by the cognitive dissonance, because they had lists of "Good", "Bad", and "Sometimes" food planted on the fridge that my dad had written up for them with one of their kidney doctors. But all the "Bad" foods like rice, potatoes, grains, and fruit were things I almost never saw them eat, and certainly weren't staples except maybe as an occasional side dish usually loaded with butter. All the "Good" stuff like meat, cheese, and eggs you couldn't get away from if you tried, nevertheless they never got better. My dad used to accuse them of sneaking in oats and stuff. It was hilarious because you couldn't have paid my grandfather to eat a bowl of steel-cut oats with some berries, that wasn't drowning in added fat or served alongside some bacon and eggs. I think you can do low carb in a healthy way, really emphasizing unsaturated fats and low GI veggies, but that certainly wasn't the message they were getting.
@PlantChompers
Жыл бұрын
I know you can control lipids by doing a good fat version of keto, but I wonder if Neurologists are right and it's still harmful in the long run to the brain.
@jakemasters4361
Жыл бұрын
@@PlantChompers Yeah, fair question. There's a few studies on what they call "Eco-Atkins" - basically a plant-forward keto with lots of unsaturated fats and a good deal of fiber. Seems alright short-term, but the biggest thing against keto in my experience, as someone who occasionally does low-carb cycles for the anti-anxiety benefits, is how flat out unnatural it starts to feel, even once you're over the adaptation hump. Cravings do subside in my experience, but never fully go away. Sleep also starts to suffer after a while. I certainly find lower fat easier to adhere to these days.
@eugenetswong
Жыл бұрын
That's a great annecdote! I have never heard of anybody sneaking in oats. It was always sneaking in drugs and stuff.
@GregariousAntithesis
Жыл бұрын
@@PlantChompers considering the body runs mostly on fat during rest and day to day activity (look up respiratory quotent) only time we most burn carbs is intense activity. When are people going to educate temselves that fat is not evil. Fat cells become dysfunctional when the liver gets dysfunctional from pure sugar and fat together. All diet related dyafunction begins from over consumption coupled with high insulin levels. The perfect coctail for a long slow death.
@11235Aodh
Жыл бұрын
@@GregariousAntithesis Fat knocks out the cell's 3rd proton pump of the mitochondria, on top of that, the "good" polyunsaturated fats oxidize really quickly turning into the very toxic hydroxynonenal. We can make all the fat we need from fibre. Source, dr. Peter Rogers.
I've just watched the ZOE interview with Professor Christopher Gardner on "Should you eat more protein?" and different types of protein. He'd be a great person to talk with you and spread the message that most of us overeat on protein and why it's useless.
@PlantChompers
Жыл бұрын
I love him. I'm attending a live lecture he's giving at Stanford in May and I'll hit him up for an interview.
@poppyseed6487
Жыл бұрын
@@PlantChompers Cool cool cool!
@heidikamrath1951
Жыл бұрын
Yes!! I watched that interview two days ago and loved it!
@heidikamrath1951
Жыл бұрын
@@PlantChompers Yay! Yes, please do!
You made a point about not focusing on just one number, such as glucose. While glucose numbers are important, especially to diabetics, I would love to hear about the other aspect of added sugar, fructose.
@gcs7817
Жыл бұрын
The better test are fasting insulin and post eating insulin tolerance tests. Since plant chompers is eating only plants, that would include a ton of fruit, agave, honey and other "healthy" items which are full of fructose. Fructose can only be metabolized by the liver, but all vegan /veg influencers say fructose in its "natural" form is to be eaten with abandon (or as he would say "ad libitum"). They all say that T2D can be reversed in such a way
@mitunknowngirl
Жыл бұрын
@@gcs7817 I saw more mental illness on vegan diet, like ADHD, bipolar, depression and etc.
@Essie314
11 ай бұрын
@@mitunknowngirl cuz sugar in such high doses is poison for the brain
I live in Canada. What I am always perplexed by are the American scales for measuring things. I don’t understand why glucose is not universally the same scale. I understand cultural differences for stuff but why can’t we all be working with the same healthcare numbers without having to go back and forth to conversion tables? (Especially glucose) Not a conspiracy guy but - Somehow I suspect there are financial benefits somewhere in keeping people confused.
@Authorthings
11 ай бұрын
Absolutely. Knowledge is power. (Not a conspiracy guy either, but I believe those who are greedy stay greedy at the expense of others).
Just the info I needed. As a critical care RN, seeing ppl coming to the Cath lab, and favoring a plant based diet, I recently started questioning plant based versus popular keto. Of course who doesn’t want to eat chicken thighs with skin, bacon, steaks, cheese, eggs,,, and want to drop a few pounds. Sounds wonderful. But I still can’t see how oatmeal, fiber, beans (I love lentil taco meat) is bad. But do think we need to cut out processed breads,,, work in progress.
@ihartsacto
Жыл бұрын
I would bet the problem most plant based people have is constantly eating fee oils while avoiding butter, lard, and cream when they stray from no their diets. We all do treat ourselves and I think that’s where the problem lies for vegans especially.
@googanslayer6675
11 ай бұрын
the oats and beans are good for extremely poor people who work all day not most americans. I keto for 6moths and have finally added potatoes and more fruit past 2 months only because I want to train harder on 2 eating widows while gaining then prolong fast 1 day a week. went from obese to ripped in that short of time cause fasting and clean animals foods. I Don’t care about studies or science
@LaRa-youknowit
11 ай бұрын
@@googanslayer6675 you can loss weight with keto, it makes your body burn stored fat since your not taking in carbs, that’s true. It’s the long term effects of high saturated fats that’s the problem. It will clog your arteries, that’s a fact.
@dwwolf4636
5 ай бұрын
Anti-nutriënts. Particularly metal uptake inhibitors. Fe, Zn, Cu levels serum levels can drop precipitously or zero out after eating if you compare meat. Vs. Meat plus rice/beans/grains. Clear sign of those not being absorbed in the gut.
@LaRa-youknowit
5 ай бұрын
@@dwwolf4636 don’t understand, you say it drops from just meat, or meat plus grains?
I always look forward to new content from you!
Something people seems to miss is simple logic, less toxic food requieres less energy to be digested and generates less need of counter balance nutrients.
Thank you for your work and your perspective. It is helpful and insightful. The use or abuse of language in nutrition and culture is fascinating. Hope you enjoyed your visits to Enchanted Forest , OMSI & Silver Falls State Park.
@PlantChompers
Жыл бұрын
You recognized almost all the places! The cherry blossoms were at the capitol building. 😍
Great, now im even more confused than before. I ate healthy all my life, mostly unprocessed food, almost never drank anything but water. For about 10 years my digestion doesn't seem to work at all, i wake up after sleeping for 8 hours and feel like i haven't slept for 3 days, i sit on the toilet for half an hour and nothing happens, but im not constipated, its just a lot of air. I walk up 10 stairs and feel like i have run a marathon, and wan't to just lay down and sleep. I have no motivation to do anything because everything is just to much work in that state. I have brainfog 24/7 and feel like i can't think straight. Im also in a bad mood almost all the time and feel like nothing i do makes any sense. Then i heard of carnivore diet, and tried it. I instantly got back my energy, i am motivated again, my brain works like it should. I lost like 6kgs in 3 weeks, and i have no digestive issues anymore. But as soon as i just eat one thing that is plant based, or even a peace of bread, the next day im back to were i was before, because my digestion fks up my sleep and im back to sitting on the toilet for hours again. Like, what the hell am i supposed to do? I also have done tests over night for my sleep , an my doctor told me everything is alright. My blood tests are also always fine, except for vitamin D deficiency, which almost everyone seems to have.
@YaH_Gives_Wisdom
10 ай бұрын
Check out the video on this channel called “Can water-only fasting heal most diseases”. Fasting can reset your body & clear the buildup of all kinds of crap. Imagine you have a high performance car and you gave it the higher quality oil and gas, inevitably you’d eventually have to change the oil and the gas filter. No matter how good was or is your diet, there are other toxins, plastics, stress, bad sleep and everything else that weighs us down, then we get weird allergies and reactions to foods. A long fast is like taking the car apart and cleaning the insides of the engine and all other parts. Then you put it together and it runs like new.
Ooooo you and Dr. B chatting it out! Go for it!
Keto is not supposed to be too high in fat. It is said to get off of keto during the month and get back on again so that your body can get shocked.
28 days isnt a study...its a social media challenge....wasnt until.my 5th month of carnivore I saw results....and a full year to come.off my 2 medications
I’m not sure using a cgm if you’re not diabetic is pointless. Lower blood sugar correlates with less heart attacks in the normal range. I’m not diabetic but a few foods raise my blood sugar 60 points, and I’m glad to know which ones.
@TheaHFrancis
Жыл бұрын
Fully agree 😊
Keto vegan here, for years. The literature shows that this might be one of the healthiest possible diets.
Excellent as always, thank you!
I`m 72 and there is way more to it than this. On keto all my aches and pains go away, my large prostate problems disappear, and I have more energy. I do eat a nice salad every day but meat is big in my diet. I tend to eat a lot less and do not have cravings on Keto. You can`t believe a lot of studies he refers to as they are done by Vegans or the food industry. It is a fact that most vegans are protein deficient. It is also a fact that many veggies cause digestive problems and lots of allergic reactions. It is not necessary to eat high fat on Keto.
@francescalevine8735
4 ай бұрын
Same- low carb causes many issues to get better for me!
@jimbeaver27
4 ай бұрын
@@francescalevine8735 I dare say 90% of knee, hip and shoulder replacement/surgeries would not be needed if the patient went Keto. About 5 years ago I went to the doc with a sore knee and after xrays he told me I have 'old man's knee', the cartilege was just worn out. Well after taking it easy on it for awhile and going Keto it started getting better and better. Now 5 years later on Keto I walk 2 hours a day on it and can even do some running, with no pain. Again, I am 72 so anyone can do this.
@jimbeaver27
4 ай бұрын
@@francescalevine8735 way back when I was entering my 50s I started getting all kinds of aches and pains and I really started dreading getting old, no one had told me about this! I went to the doc for shoulder, knee, wrist and more pains with no relief. It was not until I was around 69 and went Keto that I turned it all around.