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  • @adsonn8740
    @adsonn874010 ай бұрын

    It's actually ironic that AOT's use and experimentation efforts of CGI in S4P1 is what saved those Rumbling scenes in S4P2+3 Cour 1. People wanted WIT to carry on with AOT but I highly doubt they have the experience, resources and years of CGI knowledge to pull off the Rumbling. For all we know we could've gotten still shots of colossal titans from WIT and that's it.

  • @kkk-mx2dp

    @kkk-mx2dp

    10 ай бұрын

    imagining the rumbling with the s1-3 models would look so cancerous lol

  • @HuellBabineaux909

    @HuellBabineaux909

    10 ай бұрын

    Yes the rumbling with wit cgi would have probably been orrible or a bunch of still frames

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@kkk-mx2dpPure Cancer lol

  • @lachlanle7940

    @lachlanle7940

    10 ай бұрын

    It's worth noting that WIT STUDIO does not have a 3DCG department unlike MAPPA. That's why the 3DCG of S1-3 was outsourced to MADBOX with Shuhei Yabuta (Vinland Saga director) being the 3DCG director/producer of the show. Note that Yabuta previously worked at MADBOX before joining MAPPA at 2020. Anyway, the thing is that MADBOX is far better at using 3D backgrounds than 3D models.

  • @raawesome3851

    @raawesome3851

    10 ай бұрын

    It's ironic that CSM, in some ways, was an experiment ground for aot to have really good cg.

  • @hiddenblacc
    @hiddenblacc10 ай бұрын

    Mappa's Cgi just looks 2D most of the time at this point. the fact that they have about 100 employees in the cgi department while some of the other studios have single digits is just insane

  • @tnl-warrior3218

    @tnl-warrior3218

    10 ай бұрын

    I don't know about that one

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@tnl-warrior3218it is true

  • @raawesome3851

    @raawesome3851

    10 ай бұрын

    A quarter of MAPPA is their CG department.

  • @tnl-warrior3218

    @tnl-warrior3218

    10 ай бұрын

    @@user-og6pb6dd5p I can personally tell everything they use cgi in the foreground and cam confidently say I dislike it most of the time.

  • @tnl-warrior3218

    @tnl-warrior3218

    10 ай бұрын

    @@user-og6pb6dd5p I meant every time not everything btw

  • @arac_modeyt9467
    @arac_modeyt946710 ай бұрын

    It says something when a show(csm) gets cgi complaints that aren’t even about the cgi half of the time and rather just the 2D being extremely life like

  • @lorenzorizzi864

    @lorenzorizzi864

    10 ай бұрын

    It's because the vast majority of the Anime Fandom hasn't watched anything that came out before 2018. Meanwhile in 90s and in the 2000s was extremely common to use weighty and realistic animation, even in comedy anime, because it's a style extremely difficult to master, but during those times KA were actually trained to do so and the industry didnt need to ask help to the 2º gen of web animator, that aside from few exceptions like Vercreek(his mother is an animator , so I guess she thought him how to properly animate since his childhood), they all lacks the very basics of animation and try to make everything look heavily smeared and extremely fast and flashy

  • @user-aeb87825

    @user-aeb87825

    Ай бұрын

    I feel like people just wants a flashy anime and fast paced. The Life-like style they were going for does make some of the action scenes feel heavy and slow. I'm fine having it on slice of life and atmospheric scenes.

  • @thomasffrench3639
    @thomasffrench363910 ай бұрын

    Only a little bit related, but I love that MAPPA adapts old manga so that the western fanbase can get more official translations, and they actually read old stuff because if it. Like no one in the west knew about Dorohedoro or Dororo until their new adaptations from MAPPA and they actually started reading them.

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    Otsuka on Crack for Marketing lmao

  • @ahmadzxd5312

    @ahmadzxd5312

    10 ай бұрын

    i believe banana fish was from the 80s or something, but idk if it was unpopular or not before the anime adaptation

  • @thomasffrench3639

    @thomasffrench3639

    10 ай бұрын

    @@ahmadzxd5312 I think they have adapted manga from every single decade except for maybe the 70s.

  • @Jonas-ob2sh
    @Jonas-ob2sh10 ай бұрын

    I can't wait to see what kind of cgi improvements we'll see in part 4 of the final season, we already saw smears and more seamless transitions from 2D to 3D titans in part 3.

  • @HuellBabineaux909

    @HuellBabineaux909

    10 ай бұрын

    If the level is the same as part 2 and 3 we don’t have to worry, also it seems that the final fight between the colossals is gonna be very good

  • @heisenberg3206

    @heisenberg3206

    10 ай бұрын

    @@HuellBabineaux909 yea cause imai is the key animator for that

  • @HuellBabineaux909

    @HuellBabineaux909

    10 ай бұрын

    @@heisenberg3206 not 100% sure

  • @guitarhero640
    @guitarhero64010 ай бұрын

    4:55 lol i edited that. I'm proud

  • @ProbablyPretentious

    @ProbablyPretentious

    10 ай бұрын

    I literally looked up something along the lines of "yuichiro Hayashi my director" on Twitter lol. W meme

  • @lebyandsmartiel318
    @lebyandsmartiel31810 ай бұрын

    MAPPA's 3D Department has had a constant positive development over the years. To this day, I still hold my ground in saying that they are the best 3D Department at mixing 2D and 3D characters. I can only hope that the strong, large and experienced 3D team maintains most of their key members in order to further this style and technique. Of course while the 3D Staff matter, in Chainsaw Man's case I feel the input of Sugiyama's notes on the 3D design helped blend the line a lot when developing the final model. Furthermore it takes competent photography and compositing to bring the 3D models to the "2D Realm" without it looking janky. They have said before that many experimental techniques they hadn't used before were implemented in Chainsaw Man's 3D production. I believe some of these were: the use of different LOD models, and constant hand drawn smears. The smear work handled by the 3D Department was impressive and sold every scene they were in. The three LOD models they had for both Katana Man and Chainsaw Man were good, though there is still room for improvement. As is with most 3D models there were still compression issues in some scenes, which I feel could've been alleviated if they had played around with how they use the different LOD models or how they handle the smaller details on the models. That aside the other issues I feel they can overcome are just general movement and morphing of the models, something I feel a strong schedule would allow. As you said, there is a lot to look forward to when it comes to this department's future endeavours. I feel they are bordering on the next level of 3D integration in 2D anime. Just a little more control of line weight, movement, morphing and overall polish and we could end up with something mindblowing. Until 2024 and 2025 we will have to just sit and wait as to see the next project where they can implement their new skills from day one of production.

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    All of their in-house departments have been expanding probably faster than any studio. Hopefully the Animation department (mostly Talking about KAs) also can catch up to The speed of the other departments

  • @simplyrohith2163
    @simplyrohith216310 ай бұрын

    I cannot wait for what Hayashi and Mappa will do with Dorohedoro s2. Just the level of perfection they can achieve with the level they're at now makes me scream in joy.

  • @ghuff4694

    @ghuff4694

    10 ай бұрын

    I’ll wait as long as I need to for season 2

  • @eto3917

    @eto3917

    10 ай бұрын

    I don't think we will ever see a S2, MAPPA seems to be moving towards only production where they are either on top of the committee or atleast at the 2nd sit. Unless Hayashi push for a sequel like Yabuta did with vinland, I don't think it will happen.

  • @simplyrohith2163

    @simplyrohith2163

    10 ай бұрын

    @@eto3917 Hayashi is very important to studio Mappa and Hayashi was the one who wanted to make Dorohedoro. If not for AoT he would have been making Kakegurui or Dorohedoro

  • @eto3917

    @eto3917

    10 ай бұрын

    @@simplyrohith2163 Yes, I completely agree, Hayashi is without a doubt the most competent director currently at MAPPA. I mean every series he's directed has been a success and that's especially why now that MAPPA has the money and power to invest in their production, I think they'll want to entrust a new production they've invested in to Hayashi.

  • @loiscampos4553

    @loiscampos4553

    10 ай бұрын

    We need Dorohedoro S2...

  • @Dumbagon
    @Dumbagon10 ай бұрын

    Really love Dorohedoro, certainly doesn’t get discussed enough

  • @JacoB-wp4ws
    @JacoB-wp4ws10 ай бұрын

    imagine berserk with the cgi quality similar to mappa work's with good 2d non action scenes

  • @HishamA.N_Comicbroe
    @HishamA.N_Comicbroe10 ай бұрын

    I've checked out Garo S1 & having seen Mappa's CGI now the improvement has been stellar.

  • @userK894
    @userK89410 ай бұрын

    We all know next cgi heavy project will be csm s2/movie coz dorohedoro s2 will have a better schedule (copium) for hayashi to cook again like he did with s1 and this time with a better cgi inhouse team

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    Dorohedoro schedule was pretty good tho

  • @userK894

    @userK894

    10 ай бұрын

    @@user-og6pb6dd5p yeh but I don't know if he will get a better schedule like S1 again or he will be put on kakegurui coz it's more profitable Anyway everything is lined up perfectly fuko noda should be or will be free before the last ep of aot

  • @wolfbrigade8042
    @wolfbrigade804210 ай бұрын

    Contrary to what many people claimed on release, I for one think CSM's CGI looks absolutely phenomenal. Speaking of phenomenal: Great video as always! I love educational vids like this.

  • @edythebeast7087

    @edythebeast7087

    10 ай бұрын

    I know right, people are insane with their hate of cgi even if it’s implemented well like in chainsawman

  • @gamerboyrax2222
    @gamerboyrax222210 ай бұрын

    Well on the topic of cgi I still think dorohidoro was more impressive as a 80% cgi anime So can we get a video on it please?

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    More than 80%

  • @gamerboyrax2222

    @gamerboyrax2222

    10 ай бұрын

    @@user-og6pb6dd5p it's a cgi anime with rare cuts of 2d tbh, exact opposite of traditional anime lol

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    @@gamerboyrax2222 i think a lot of effects were handled in 2d

  • @cryingcat8797
    @cryingcat879710 ай бұрын

    Dorohedoro is sooo well done i loved how they animated it and was totally into it and it's a shame they aren't gonna continued it because now they are working on aot and csm and jjk which isn't bad but i really want dorohedoro s2

  • @carloscauan7967

    @carloscauan7967

    10 ай бұрын

    JJK and CSM shouldn't realistically impact it that much

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    Bro not only dorohedoro is on a different pipeline (production) and Animation producer. It's on a Completely different department (building as whole).

  • @akuma7228
    @akuma722810 ай бұрын

    i can’t explain why but 3DCG in japanimation is so interesting to analyze

  • @ghuff4694
    @ghuff469410 ай бұрын

    Man I’m so sad with what happened to chainsaw man it was a really good adaptation that did it’s own thing but kept the vibe intact, honestly I’m holding my breathe on season 2 (which is unfortunate due to it having a much better story) cus I feel like all the passion they had for it before it released is distracted by the amount of hate it got

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    I honestly think it won't effect mappa in a Negative way

  • @kenmaru777

    @kenmaru777

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@user-og6pb6dd5p one aot fan joked as "asakawa is bad" under post of HxH with "aot line" face And fckn Asakawa - art director of AoT responded to this...💀 He was broken... 4 years he got worst comments ever possible He even said: "words is like knives" from Detective Konan Aot fan didn't even @ him. He just accidentally find it Thanks for good aot fans he apologized and explained that it was Irony and sarcasm, and we all started thanking him for his good work There was so much disappointed Japanese under his comments We don't deserve anime

  • @ghuff4694

    @ghuff4694

    10 ай бұрын

    @@kenmaru777 so many entitled consumers demanding more from people trapped in horrid work conditions

  • @raawesome3851

    @raawesome3851

    10 ай бұрын

    @@kenmaru777 not art director, comp director.

  • @raawesome3851

    @raawesome3851

    10 ай бұрын

    @@kenmaru777 also, there were aot fans that @ him, unfortunately.

  • @ragnarok1310
    @ragnarok131010 ай бұрын

    I always liked Mappa's CGI, same goes for JC Staff too, great video I never knew the actually had the 2D designs for the titans

  • @hewhoshallacquirepowerando1266

    @hewhoshallacquirepowerando1266

    10 ай бұрын

    Yeah, the CGI in OPM S2 looked incredible. I wish I could say the same for the art and compositing

  • @veergaitandra
    @veergaitandra10 ай бұрын

    Plz make young animators spotlight

  • @lachlanle7940
    @lachlanle794010 ай бұрын

    The only way to improve using 3DCG is if the company use it again, again, again, again, and AGAIN. Because that's when the company cultivates experience and applies the lessons they learnt from previous shows to future projects.

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p
    @user-og6pb6dd5p10 ай бұрын

    Btw congrats for the 7k bro ❤️

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p
    @user-og6pb6dd5p10 ай бұрын

    W video. Thanks for the hard work ❤️. I wonder where did you get all of those information about dorohedoro. Mappa's in-house departments as a whole is expanding faster than any studio. Only i can say in animation department (mostly Talking about KAs) is progressing slower (considering Mappa is still a New studio). I hope the growth of Animation department can catch up to their other departments. 5:59 if I'm not wrong EP 1 took the Most work (also considering they had to do a New model every Single time for reiner because of the damages which is HELL to work on in this tight schedule) and EP 2 also almost had The same amount of key frames and effort as episode 1 while not being an action packed episode which is kinda obvious why. And i also feel bad for asakawa

  • @ghostghost7304
    @ghostghost730410 ай бұрын

    damn this video was amazing.

  • @thomasffrench3639
    @thomasffrench363910 ай бұрын

    I think the reason why Garo was with CGI is that it is based on a Tokusatsu series, which looks closer to live action.

  • @ProbablyPretentious

    @ProbablyPretentious

    10 ай бұрын

    Yea I believe so, but at the same time I believe they tried to do something different. I remember a Hayashi interview where he mentioned how he changed the horror designs to be less humanlike since they didn't have to fit people in those costumes.

  • @thomasffrench3639

    @thomasffrench3639

    10 ай бұрын

    @@ProbablyPretentious Yeah, I only learned about Garo a few days ago, and it's a lot more horror based than something like Kamen Rider or Super Sentai, so that checks out.

  • @anurag4813
    @anurag481310 ай бұрын

    MankoMan also has an amazing video on this topic, great work

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    Which one? That one was very different tho

  • @X-sAnToShRaJ
    @X-sAnToShRaJ10 ай бұрын

    Can you make a video on arcane production and the way they they are working with stylised CG it looks phenomenal I know it is something out of the box for you but I would love to see something different on this channel

  • @tsakeboya
    @tsakeboya10 ай бұрын

    Still such an underrated channel

  • @davidiobrando
    @davidiobrando10 ай бұрын

    Since JJK S2 might not use that much CGI, I expect then next CSM project, whether it be a movie or season 2, to be next big, CGI heavy MAPPA show (Other then the last part of AoT). Since the next arc of CSM is incredibly action heavy, with big set pieces, I expect MAPPA to put alot, and I mean ALOT, of time and effort into the 3D CGI characters and backgrounds and if they don't rush it, I would possibly expect the CGI to look even better than S1 of CSM and I can't wait.

  • @shinkey7808
    @shinkey780810 ай бұрын

    very interesting video. thank you

  • @paarthchaudhary3725
    @paarthchaudhary372510 ай бұрын

    I will night recommend on making a video about animation direction and cgi of studio 4degreeC it my fave animation studio it kills in every possible direction Special mention - children of the sea

  • @ProjectKHI
    @ProjectKHI9 ай бұрын

    I love the texture work in Dorohedoro, the shading, the colours, it almost reminds me of JJK s2

  • @ArtemInarishi
    @ArtemInarishi5 ай бұрын

    Let’s talk about toei animation’s new cgi for egghead guys… It’s next level

  • @hikarihakai1285
    @hikarihakai128510 ай бұрын

    oh wow i did not know they did Garo more of a fan of the live action series but that first one Mappa did was nice

  • @denzelmwandha7340
    @denzelmwandha734010 ай бұрын

    You should talk about the recent episode of zom 100. It was suprisingly amazing

  • @suzuhayyamane7447
    @suzuhayyamane744710 ай бұрын

    What's your Opinion on new bleach episdoe 6 of this cour??

  • @sumitsikderfilms
    @sumitsikderfilms10 ай бұрын

    Never leave the king of CGI out of competition; Studio Orange!

  • @XDGamer88

    @XDGamer88

    10 ай бұрын

    They don't do 2d integrated with 3d It's usually 99% cgi unlike mappa who integrates cgi with 2d Characters

  • @sumitsikderfilms

    @sumitsikderfilms

    10 ай бұрын

    @@XDGamer88 I know. But I will prefer Chainsawman animations quality for 2D style or Studio Orange 3D style. Ofcourse they do same amount of hardwork as 2D animators but their work just looks good.

  • @anotheryoutubeuser

    @anotheryoutubeuser

    10 ай бұрын

    @@sumitsikderfilms I don't know, man. The Dorohedoro CGI approach was just as good as Studio Orange's works.

  • @sumitsikderfilms

    @sumitsikderfilms

    10 ай бұрын

    @@anotheryoutubeuser Have you watched Trigun Stampede? Every episode felt like a movie production.

  • @anotheryoutubeuser

    @anotheryoutubeuser

    10 ай бұрын

    @@sumitsikderfilms It all comes down to preference. Trigun Stampede moves too much like a video game for me while the CGI + 2D mix Hayashi and team used on Dorohedoro is more in line with my tastes.

  • @Awindow
    @Awindow10 ай бұрын

    I wish AOT animates the prequel manga of attack on titan "before the fall" as an ova (many people don't even know it exists) and animate it with as much time they need , attack on titan is well animated , the taste of people has just exceeded too much these days that they don't appreciate what they're given with , none other than the animators understand the pain of animating frame by frame , that's also the reason cgi is a good thing , now for mappa the quality of cgi is good enough for s4 part 2 of aot but they really excelled in cgi in part 3 like didn't anyone notice the details on colossal titans , that 1 hour episode showed the quality which would've be there in part 1 if enough time was provided , I literally wouldn't mind if the next part comes the next year as I know if the time is given mappa really cooks something awesome👌

  • @catlike9444
    @catlike944410 ай бұрын

    I believe the problem people had with aot s4 part 1 cgi titan is because the only trailer which was pre animated caused way to much hype and rise unreal experience, had that trailer not existed then the hatred for s4 part 1 wouldn't really be a thing.

  • @suzuhayyamane7447
    @suzuhayyamane744710 ай бұрын

    What's your opinion on bleach episode 19 (the newest one)?

  • @SahilKumar-bi2xu
    @SahilKumar-bi2xu10 ай бұрын

    I still don't understand how they made S4P1 of AOT in half a year without delaying a single episode.

  • @marcos-ll2yr
    @marcos-ll2yr10 ай бұрын

    can you talk about Blade of the Guardian? is a chinese anime, the quality is insane is like vagabond

  • @eKill69
    @eKill6910 ай бұрын

    Nice post

  • @megu6137
    @megu613710 ай бұрын

    Man I really liked Dorohedoro when it aired, I hoped they would make another season but so far I haven't heard any news, guess it's finally time to read the manga

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    Isn't it obvious from this video? The director is busy with AOT

  • @megu6137

    @megu6137

    10 ай бұрын

    @@user-og6pb6dd5pnuh uh

  • @xrosslegends1279
    @xrosslegends127910 ай бұрын

    Didn't know MAPPA did Garo, the first anime is one of my favorites, so this is good to know.

  • @snapped9089
    @snapped908910 ай бұрын

    A consecutive mankoman and probably pretentious upload Woah

  • @ShaikhSaif..
    @ShaikhSaif..10 ай бұрын

    Make an animation breakdown video on boruto canon episodes.

  • @karme286
    @karme28610 ай бұрын

    Are you gonna make a video on episode 6 of bleach tybw part 2

  • @JustAsh001

    @JustAsh001

    10 ай бұрын

    The very recent episode yep it was great the next ep is gonna be the real deal

  • @joebidenjr5902

    @joebidenjr5902

    10 ай бұрын

    Bruh the next ep has the same guy as The Fire.

  • @kenmaru777
    @kenmaru77710 ай бұрын

    The only one better cgi I know is Trigun Stampede I thought wtf why Mappa didn't just hire them And then find out they did it for 4 years Mappa is just built different for doing such a godly level in worst schedules ever possible

  • @TheStickCollector
    @TheStickCollector10 ай бұрын

    Good

  • @_BR3NDO
    @_BR3NDOАй бұрын

    Dude is been like 2 years since chainsawman came out and I thought denji was fully 2d. what the hell how can 3d look so much like 2d.

  • @anujsreenivasan5040
    @anujsreenivasan504010 ай бұрын

    Post 6 of asking PP to review Shigurui 4:37 Ayo?! 🤨📸

  • @christopher4227

    @christopher4227

    10 ай бұрын

    Finally another person that calls him PP

  • @ashishdevadig2835
    @ashishdevadig283510 ай бұрын

    0:19 wait, what was that dude mad about?

  • @carloscauan7967

    @carloscauan7967

    10 ай бұрын

    Fujoshi

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@carloscauan7967it's annoying asf

  • @soupcan_8042

    @soupcan_8042

    10 ай бұрын

    It​ wasn't​ 1:1​ to​ manga​ lol

  • @nikjovan4816
    @nikjovan481610 ай бұрын

    It's just people hatin most of the time. The only time it ever looked "bad" is with AOT season 4 part 1 in some places. But, even then mostly with the Beast Titan. Specifically in the forest against Levi. And when you think about how this was produced in at the height of the pandemic, and there wasn't as much time as there should normally be. You honestly just have to be an ignorant person to not understand this.

  • @Parshwa_Nathwani
    @Parshwa_Nathwani10 ай бұрын

    00:20 Twitter light mode, really?

  • @bluebarron22
    @bluebarron2210 ай бұрын

    I think the worst the cgi has looked was in garo crimson moon because the texture work and overall movement was atrocious

  • @raawesome3851
    @raawesome385110 ай бұрын

    Honestly, and this is probably an unpopular opinion, I think Hayashi, with his excellent direction of CG in anime, should be the director for csm.

  • @saldssjhbs
    @saldssjhbs10 ай бұрын

    CSM is way tooo underrated

  • @deku4959
    @deku495910 ай бұрын

    Make a bones studio video

  • @jjcandelabra6164
    @jjcandelabra616410 ай бұрын

    does Mappa CGi come close to Studio Orange?

  • @carloscauan7967

    @carloscauan7967

    10 ай бұрын

    Not really?

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    I think Orange is better but their work is much harder since they have to blend it with 2d Elements too

  • @BattleBeast5

    @BattleBeast5

    10 ай бұрын

    Not even close, Mappa cgi is one of the worst, Orange cgi is the best for anime.

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    @@BattleBeast5 you haven't seen a lot of animes if you REALLY saying that

  • @yup6182
    @yup618210 ай бұрын

    Is episdoe 19 bleach animation good

  • @eto3917

    @eto3917

    10 ай бұрын

    no good

  • @humanbeing418

    @humanbeing418

    10 ай бұрын

    Very good

  • @KanekiKen-lz2zp
    @KanekiKen-lz2zp10 ай бұрын

    I think we all agree when I say KATO IS MID

  • @azumag4432
    @azumag443210 ай бұрын

    Inuyashiki > Any other MAPPA anime EDIT: And here I'm talking about everything BUT animation (so story, music, characters)

  • @varun4929
    @varun492910 ай бұрын

    ok a very genuine question, no hate. Why is anime CGI always so janky ( especially many times ) when CGI animation itself isnt that new. I mean, again no offense, but Western animation has been CGI since Toy story ( 1995 ) , and even in that the character movement wasnt all that janky. After that, they ofc nailed CGI. So then why does japanese CGI animation feels so floaty and janky. I may get it for 2D shows which use CGI, but even fully 3D projects like Trigun looks weird at times. Is it a different kind of CGI than western ?

  • @carloscauan7967

    @carloscauan7967

    10 ай бұрын

    Because 3D in anime usually tends to be animated in 2s to replicate how anime is animated.

  • @megu6137
    @megu613710 ай бұрын

    Chainsaw man was many levels above AOT, just goes to show their vision is great.

  • @BattleBeast5

    @BattleBeast5

    10 ай бұрын

    Aot is.much better anime than that trash

  • @Mefrius
    @Mefrius10 ай бұрын

    Chainsaw man would be a much better show for staff if Ryu Nakayama didn't make almost everybody overwork. His inexperience as director of entire production and his vision, made 2d staff suffer. Thank god, MAPPA did Chainsaw man, because if they weren't as experienced as they are now, Chainsaw man would look worse

  • @carloscauan7967

    @carloscauan7967

    10 ай бұрын

    ?????? That is a bigger problem with Otsuka's way of taking too much shit at once and not really giving proper resources and time for it, specially given JJK 0 and S2. You're right that Nakayama's objective was ambitious for a debuting director, but it's kinda dumb to want to antagonize him for everything.

  • @Mefrius

    @Mefrius

    10 ай бұрын

    @@carloscauan7967 I am not saying that he is the guy. About Otuska is already said enough, but almost nobody has talked about Nakayama. There were info about redoing almost finished stuff just because of Nakayamas incompetence. But he still is very talanted director with a lot of connections

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@carloscauan7967almost every big studio is doing it but without progressing as a studio (looks like J.C staff is a bit).

  • @rowenawesome2156
    @rowenawesome215610 ай бұрын

    The meatriding is insane

  • @penguin4357

    @penguin4357

    10 ай бұрын

    Meatriding????

  • @mikusupremacy4786
    @mikusupremacy478610 ай бұрын

    Expect for cart and colossal titans and bit of jaw titan, the cg titans in s4 p2 were still wonky and choppy and don't move all that well Ex- attack titan charging at armor in ep1

  • @XDGamer88

    @XDGamer88

    10 ай бұрын

    Stop capping It's not even choppy compared to the shit use of cgi in 90% of anime which aren't even integrated

  • @mikusupremacy4786

    @mikusupremacy4786

    10 ай бұрын

    @@XDGamer88 I'm sorry but I'm not blinded with bias. Eren vs armor is wonky and isn't all the impressive. Infact Armor titan from s4p1 e1 moved better

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@mikusupremacy4786because they use skip framing to blend it better and dosen't make it weightless and awful. 3d models are usually always in 24fps which is not a good thing always

  • @tnl-warrior3218
    @tnl-warrior321810 ай бұрын

    I still think the best use for cgi is in the backgrounds. Cgi caracters just dont feel right too me especially in a 2d show.

  • @carloscauan7967

    @carloscauan7967

    10 ай бұрын

    Meanwhile the 3D backgrounds in JJK S1 look ten times worse than any 3D characters in any mappa show

  • @tnl-warrior3218

    @tnl-warrior3218

    10 ай бұрын

    @@carloscauan7967 I really didn't notice it at all yet I easily notice some of mappas janky foreground cgi in fight scenes.

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@tnl-warrior3218janky huh?

  • @tnl-warrior3218

    @tnl-warrior3218

    10 ай бұрын

    @@user-og6pb6dd5p yes, they are better than most other studios but still odd to look at

  • @tnl-warrior3218

    @tnl-warrior3218

    10 ай бұрын

    @@EvilMikaIzHere they are large and aren't characters, it means nothing for them to be in cgi, it would be impossible if they weren't

  • @initialdosth8221
    @initialdosth822110 ай бұрын

    Aot s4 got best Slideshow i ever seen

  • @lightyagami_yt566
    @lightyagami_yt56610 ай бұрын

    We want gear 5 breakdown

  • @phoenixbird5251

    @phoenixbird5251

    10 ай бұрын

    He has not watched one piece

  • @eto3917

    @eto3917

    10 ай бұрын

    1071 : 6/10 1072 : 7.5/10

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@eto3917i didn't Watched The Show but it seems too low for how high the Quality the Animation was

  • @initialdosth8221

    @initialdosth8221

    10 ай бұрын

    Overhyped and super Saiyan rip off

  • @lightyagami_yt566

    @lightyagami_yt566

    10 ай бұрын

    @@eto3917 I think 1072 is a solid 9.5/10

  • @Stulejon
    @Stulejon10 ай бұрын

    I really like the CGI in Dorohedoro and AoT, but the Chainsaw Man CGI didn't hit for me a lot of the times. Especially in the first episode and the first Katana man fight, it just looked out of place. Whole show overall was made in a weird way, but in terms of CGI, I think there's still a long way until it can look as visually pleasing as 2D animation.

  • @lorenzorizzi864

    @lorenzorizzi864

    10 ай бұрын

    How can a show that was made to look like a 90s live action movie(the gilde age decade of movies) look weird to you? I don't wanna sound rude, buf maybe you need to watch more products from the past and not only the bland things that mostly come out nowdays

  • @joebidenjr5902

    @joebidenjr5902

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@lorenzorizzi864 maybe because a show about a guy with chainsaws coming out of his arms and head doesn't need a realistic direction 😮

  • @lorenzorizzi864

    @lorenzorizzi864

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@joebidenjr5902realistic? The overall colors and aesthetic of 90s movies was anything but realistic due to its desaturated/darker colors. Have you ever watched a 90s movie for God sake? In case of Csm is understandable especially if you take a look at the backgrounds that they are = to what you could see on a movie from those times. And you know why Nakayama (God bless him) for making it that way? 1)Because csm is set in the 90s 2) fujimoto is a great lover of 90s movies and wanted to homage it (especially in the opening, that basically references only homages 90s movies despite the Japanese early 2000s live action movie compositing style of Yamashita)

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@lorenzorizzi864poor guy got harrased on Twitter because of having a Vision and actually respect the author's love for Films. And Comedy as people assume is supposed to be Limited to chibi faces and chaos 💀

  • @HuellBabineaux909

    @HuellBabineaux909

    10 ай бұрын

    To me the best usage of cgi as far as aot is concerned is episode 76

  • @christopher4227
    @christopher422710 ай бұрын

    Mappa with its weak world building Edit:Only real ones get the reference

  • @user-bt9yh8jn1q

    @user-bt9yh8jn1q

    10 ай бұрын

    What lmao

  • @simplyrohith2163

    @simplyrohith2163

    10 ай бұрын

    Wth?

  • @sandeepkant1815

    @sandeepkant1815

    10 ай бұрын

    🤡

  • @giles.9862

    @giles.9862

    10 ай бұрын

    Huh.

  • @guitarhero640

    @guitarhero640

    10 ай бұрын

    Lmao ig I'm the only one who got the reference. The recent bleach ep had great World building though. Ufotable goat 🤓🤡

  • @plumedeneko
    @plumedeneko10 ай бұрын

    unnecessary jab at aot s3 lol

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    ???

  • @plumedeneko

    @plumedeneko

    10 ай бұрын

    @@user-og6pb6dd5p ?

  • @abdelnour212
    @abdelnour212Ай бұрын

    It’s still shit😂

  • @3esa2003
    @3esa200310 ай бұрын

    Chainsaw Man CG good for anime standers, but it is far from being flawless

  • @lorenzorizzi864

    @lorenzorizzi864

    10 ай бұрын

    It's almost flawless if you take in consideration only the 3DCGI usage in Japan, because even other Japanese products with an even greater cgi like Trigun Stampede have (even if quite rare) some of your typical Japanese 3d hiccup

  • @antont4974
    @antont49749 ай бұрын

    Cgi on main characters looks horrible and should never be used

  • @Taric_009
    @Taric_00910 ай бұрын

    I still think AOT's Cgi still horrible. anime in general and so far wasn't ment to be 3d except the background.

  • @carloscauan7967

    @carloscauan7967

    10 ай бұрын

    I always find this take dumb, there never and never will be anything about anime only "supposed to be" in 2D.

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    Explain if you can

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    @@EvilMikaIzHere a shit ton of people can't bro. They say it's horrible without any valid explainations. Idk if it's studio bias or they are stupid or Something idk💀

  • @Hetsu..
    @Hetsu..10 ай бұрын

    you say as if the cgi in csm was anything special, 95% of the cgi was just denji, of course itd be far far easier to 'perfect'. And while it looks fine, its nothing *groundbreaking*

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    It was Really special if you actually Read the interview by CGworld and the amount of effort that was putted into it

  • @Hetsu..

    @Hetsu..

    10 ай бұрын

    @@user-og6pb6dd5p effort=/=good. Im glad they cared that much about the cgi but to me that makes it even more dissapointing when a small studio like orange impales them with houseki no kuni.

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    @@Hetsu.. It dosen't have anything to do with how large the Studio is. It depends on Training, experience and the approch. While Orange CGI is Really impressive. Their work is not as hard because they don't have to blend 3d foregrounds with 2d. I hate when you guys pretend to know a lot of shit about these topics. This video is enough to Show you (i assume a lot of info comes from CGworld interview since he saw it And Read it Before)

  • @user-og6pb6dd5p

    @user-og6pb6dd5p

    10 ай бұрын

    @@Hetsu.. Not to mention 2d smears on top of the 3d foreground model (and ofc the 3d backgrounds is perfect as well)

  • @Hetsu..

    @Hetsu..

    10 ай бұрын

    @@user-og6pb6dd5p i care about the end product. Sure lets just RUSH our projects and use cgi AS A CRUTCH. You're just naive

  • @aleksam1504
    @aleksam150410 ай бұрын

    Wait mappa did Garou? that's insane Graou is the goat anime.

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