We'll continue to post these episodes here on KZread. If you can't wait for the rest of the build, visit our site to binge-watch: www.powernationtv.com/shows/horsepower

@NerdyMeathead

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for uploading to youtube

@mikesamra9126

4 жыл бұрын

That's an MN12 chassis, totally different than the Fox chassis. I think he just misspoke when he said Fox chassis.

@johnfrese4851

4 жыл бұрын

By the way want to make some money I want that 4r70w for a rebuild for my xr7

@mikesamra9126

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnfrese4851 I have an 89 XR7 V6 supercharged and I bought it new in 89. I have every option but moon roof. That car was fast at the time but now, my 2016 Stang GT will just have it for lunch. I have a ride control that stiffens the suspension in my Cougar and it's just a switch where in the Stang I can go into the menu to do all kinds of things.

@derrickjackson6737

4 жыл бұрын

I got 2 97 T- Birds i need that 4.6 V8 good cars other is a 3.8 V6

I love builds like this. Cars people can actually afford

@daw162

4 жыл бұрын

@C T 3 grand......they're using a short block assembly that costs what....$10K just to start? There's 3 grand just in little parts. What'll the car be worth when it's done? $3500?

@michaelmcneil5036

4 жыл бұрын

Shut up it's a TV show lmao

@karlg1535

4 жыл бұрын

My brother had one that her threw a old 5.0 in and charged it she was a beast

@SophiaAphrodite

4 жыл бұрын

Cars you can afford with $20k in parts and another $5k in custom work using $30k in tools.

@kylefortner8709

4 жыл бұрын

@@SophiaAphrodite exactly this. I was pumped then they started using speciality tools that very few people actually own.

I miss watching shows like this with my dad every sunday morning, No BS or Drama, just straight forward builds. 👍

Tells him to hit it, then yells at him, your way out of the grove LoL

"Now we did go down to our local A/C shop..." Everybody knows damn well you didn't

@eriv4735

4 жыл бұрын

gym shoe 😂😭😂

@Iyellatbabies

4 жыл бұрын

gym shoe r/ whoosh

@baddonkey6876

4 жыл бұрын

@@Iyellatbabies woosh at mach 3😂🤣😆

@Iyellatbabies

4 жыл бұрын

gym shoe I was there too buddy, don’t worry; you’ll get it soon. Welcome to the Internet

@JBO3022

4 жыл бұрын

Woody? What is being missed?

I learned a lot about the independent rear suspension on this.

@homegrowncustomsandautorep9737

4 жыл бұрын

yeah its an 8.8 so its pretty tough

@detroitiron302

4 жыл бұрын

Like how not to install a new ring & pinion set? Make sure you don't do it the way they did. Their mesh pattern in the yellow paste was awful.

@homegrowncustomsandautorep9737

4 жыл бұрын

i like it adjusted more to th middle of ring... more contact area... wish i had dough to drop like they do!!

@69yenko65

4 жыл бұрын

That ring gear pattern was terrible, the heel/toe was off and you were taking the pattern off the flank side when your desired pattern is supposed to be on the face side and look like a small oval circle that has left a hint of yellow paint in the center of the gear tooth. Rule of thumb face/flank=move the pinion (different thickness shim behind the pinion bearing. Heel/toe=move the carrier bearing shims keeping in mind to have a bit of case pressure on the carrier bearings.

@sonofernest

4 жыл бұрын

@@detroitiron302 I thought that didn't look right...

You picked one off the best chassis suspension combos Ford every made as a coupe. Super tight body, overbuilt really, so it was heavier than usual. Really, a good choice. Same chassis/suspension used for the Lincoln Mark 7.

About inhaled my tongue when I saw this. I have 3 Tbirds right now, love them all.

@MattHammock

4 жыл бұрын

Taking a break replacing a sway bar link in my '92 SC

@6t9customs

4 жыл бұрын

ooh just replaced the rear on my 90 sc

@svtbird9613

4 жыл бұрын

@@MattHammock yeah they can be super fun when the ball joint decides to just spin.

@svtbird9613

4 жыл бұрын

@@6t9customs Im guessing you have a 5 speed too?

@andre49ers

4 жыл бұрын

I need one

Nice to see you guys working a T-Bird. I have a 93, SC. It's my toy. Been with me since 05.

@markmartinfan62

4 жыл бұрын

I want one of those 3.8 SC'd engines and trans to drop into my 1980 Pinto sedan delivery wagon! It already has an 8" Ford rear end.The one that looks like a 9".

@pdinardo9472

4 жыл бұрын

You can still find them out there in the scrap yards. The super charged 3.8. You do a fresh rebuild on it. It will make a pinto into a rocket ship. BUCKLE UP!!

@markmartinfan62

4 жыл бұрын

@@pdinardo9472,and and a pretty cool sleeper!

@derrickjackson6737

4 жыл бұрын

Don't ever sell it

@pdinardo9472

4 жыл бұрын

No I won't ever sell it. It's my other wife 😀

That’s my baby! 97 Thunderbird with the High Performance package!

my 96 cougar made 430 rwhp 4.6 2v as seen on my channel. good job

This is great episode, I love the history of the car being shown.

Love dem thunder birds and cougars still miss my 94 cougar

So beautiful to see this done! But also gave me an understanding of my last tbirds problems

Love my 96 Thunderbird. First car, bought it 3 years ago. Never letting it go. Plan on doing a built 32v swap with a built 4R70W. But might do a 427 now....

this was a great episode lots of cool little assembly tips lots to take away thanks for the upload

I got the same thing going on in my shop. My 427 is going in a 2000 v6 mustang. I went with 3.73 gears and a limited slip diff from Yukon. I have the rear end done, block machined and crank getting balanced. Probe pistons and crank. I'm getting pretty pumped.

So glad they finally showed this episode. I also have a 97' and im want to swap a 351w. I hope my kmember will accept it

That is a very clean Bird! Certainly not out of the rust belt. Good project guys.

Good to see you are doing a new diff. Great show.. keep em cumin.

Sweet can't wait to see the 427 kick it . I had a 6 gen with 429 cj . Yeah it was a bit of a barge but did it ever go and it was nice to hear it chirp shifting from 2nd to 3rd

I laughed when they lifted the frame up and the brake caliper was just dangling by the brake hose🤣

@jakevision6859

4 жыл бұрын

I Laughed when you said frame ... didn't know a unibody car had a frame lmao smh !!!🙄

@phlodel

4 жыл бұрын

@@jakevision6859 They have sub frames.

@MrTexasborn81

4 жыл бұрын

I worked in a Ford dealership service dept, ya that’s how all the techs let them hang during brake jobs....

@robertmyles9124

4 жыл бұрын

Fuck yes! I cringed so hard when I saw the calipers just dangling there before thinking well they're gonna replace/upgrade the calipers and lines anyway so whatever only to cringe harder when they kept it all stock except for rotors and pads

@ShaunHensley

4 жыл бұрын

Probably intended to replace the lines

I am VERY interested in this build. As a blue oval dealership tech since 2000, this episode has definitely caught my attention.

Awesome guys, I can't wait to see it finished!

I'm definitely a "Flair Bird" guy. I've recently fell in love with the 64-66's. Owned 2 super birds, one 3.8 and one 4.6.

What a great project car! Love that style of T-Bird. My dad had a 77 and he was very proud of it as it was his first nice car. He passed away in Feb of 1980. I know he would have hated the early 1980's T-Bird. He would have loved this 1997. I know he would have bought this streamlined design. Making this bird a sleeper is one fantastic idea. Sure wish Ford would bring a version of this design back. They should consult you folks on the build.

This is cool to see. In 2008 I began a build on a 1990 t-bird. I used the same exact rear end components. I built a C6 transmission. And built a 347 stroker with a dart racing block SCAT and Eagle internals with SRP pistons and everything balanced . Then installed a Kennebell supercharger and 60# injectors.I have yet to put a proper ECM in the car and tune it in like it should be . Even without optimal tune the car is fast. Really looking forward to seeing the end result on your build .

So rad to see this. I own a '96 and swapped in a GM L33, T56, Borg Warner 76 mm turbo, tubular k member with wisefab steering angle kit out front, holley terminator x, 4.11 gears and welded diff, KW coilovers, simple cage, a lot of weight reduction and now it's a 3190 pound 636 wheel hp drift car and NOBODY knows what it is. Most people dont realize how amazing the car actually is. Basically a longer, uglier mustang with IRS. Shit that dog will hunt in my book. Most SN95 parts bolt right on but the fact it's wheelbase is quite a bit longer than a mustang allows it to be much, much more forgiving and fun to drift. I built my first drift car at 17, I'm 32 now. I've built 13 drift cars and I'm by far the happiest with this one. I'm saving for a voodoo engine and a quaife sequential right now. Itll be the only one in the US.

It's good to see Joe, I wish they'd bring him back for episodes now and then.

@cgarris8674

4 жыл бұрын

@ADEBISI ADEBISI Another brave keyboard troll who'd run like hell in person. Geez, grow up kid!

@cgarris8674

4 жыл бұрын

@ADEBISI ADEBISI Run up in my asshole? Sounds like you're gay for me then! If that's your thing you need to get off the car channels and look for the safe place San Francisco channels for men that swing like you do and quit wasting our time boy. Your words, not mine - Truth comes out on Adebitchi Adebitchi - If you don't have anything car performance related to discuss STFU

The magic of TV editing, it looks so easy and all that work took 17 minutes.

Driveshaft Shop makes good stuff. Got a carbon driveshaft from them, when i had a problem i emailed them and the reply i got was: "we'll take care of you" and they did. That sort of service bought my loyalty for sure.

One of my favorite shows. Great job as always. 💯💯💯💯💯

I had a '95 T-Bird and always dreamed of slipping something with a bit more go under the hood. The 4.6 was pretty good but a 351 would have been the nuts. I am looking forward to seeing what this sleeper can do. I've subscribed and hit the bell.

I love this now KZread channel. I watched this actual episode when I was younger. I never knew that the only years the thunderbird was on the fox chassis was from like 1983-1986 though. I hate to say ole Elmore was misinformed, and misinformed untold thousands of people. The last year for the fox mustang was 1993..so this probably has more in common with the sn95 mustang chassis most likely lol.

13:25 that's some fine CAD work... Cardboard Aided Design 😂

@DK-dh4ci

4 жыл бұрын

Funny thing is there are a handful of companies that make irs braces. He played it off like he pioneered the brace idea.

@rhubarbpie2027

4 жыл бұрын

@@DK-dh4ci he wasn't the first or last to home-brew someone else's work, hats off for at least showing some fabrication skills.

@kitt1905

4 жыл бұрын

Project Binky has a lot of CAD in it as well.

Nice! I saved up enough money to buy myself a '96 my junior year of high school (2009). She was in MINT condition. 43,000 original miles and service records for everything done, by none other than someone's grandma. Miss that car for sure.

Love the thunderbird idea , but I think y'all should just build it all the way ( looks and performance) show how good these cars can look as well,,, it'll still be unexpecting just bc it's a thunderbird, Spent a lot of my highschool days in a 97 t bird and a 94 supercoupe ,,, I loved catching people off guard

Cant wait to see the next episode! Thank you!

i have an 86 and 88 turbo coupe. and a thunderbird tattoo i love these cars

My second car was 74 T-Bird, 5,000lbs. 25 g. fuel tank which lasted 300 miles for me, but Speedo only went to 120, but kept going until bottoming out somewhere past 130. Gotta luv those 460's, quiet yet never stopped pushing even all that weight until you chickened out. On Texas roads I beat many camaro's, Monte Carlo's, Cudas, list goes on, they always smoked me short run, but cried on long runs. Pure stock, zero mods.

I had a '94 Thunderbird with a 4.6L. Loved it!

@kevinW826

4 жыл бұрын

archiveseeker same here. I had two a 4.6 and the 3.8

I'm absolutely hands down obsessed with mn12 thunderbirds. I'm working hard to try and buy another I miss my 93 5.0L h.o. so much. It was midnight opal metallic.

@philthyco1

4 жыл бұрын

I have the 92' 5.0 sport..Great car..Silver with all black leather and trac lock rear

@deathklock333

4 жыл бұрын

I own a 88' smokey metallic gray with a stock 5.0L

@Turshin

4 жыл бұрын

I had a 91 sport that was black. My god I miss that car. Right now I'm working on my 89 SC

@motoman22atgmail

4 жыл бұрын

My '93 5.0 bird was 'champagne' color. Enjoyed that car but wish it had the '94 dash and interior...

@T-bird_Johnny

4 жыл бұрын

@@motoman22atgmail I'm kinda partial to the 93 interior but I've never owned a 94 or later

Yes!!!.... playing with some of my favorite cars!!!!... and all the things that can be done with these is endless... NICE CHOICE!!!!!!!!!!

These gen tbirds were underrated. I miss my 94 4.6 but wish I had the funds to turn into a fun stickshift blown v8 sleeper

@certifiedchaos4643

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t mess around and throw a body kit on it 🔥🔥

I had a 92 tbird and it was my favorite car among all that I've owned.

@johngregory4801

3 жыл бұрын

My '87 Cougar... Best car I've ever had.

"YOUR WAY OUT OF THE GROOVE, WHY DON'T YOU STOP IT!"

I have an 88 cutlass supreme I wish I could have you guys hook up but I know what you guys do is expensive. I admire your work.

Nothing Is Better than a Nice Sleeper...

If you own one of these MN12 cars make sure you spend extra money on really good suspension bushings especially in the front!

I was always so interested in what happened with this build. This was one of my favorite project cars they ever built.

@transtemporaldread4477

Жыл бұрын

you never get to se them drive it

For some reason, this was by far the car I wanted most when I was 17.

I love the tbird trivia..I learned something new

I have a 1991 Tbird sport with the 5.0 V8. Best car I've ever owned!

Love fords , nice to see something other then a mustang being worked over.

@robsorgdrager8477

4 жыл бұрын

It is a mustang. It's still a fox chassis😉

@robertbelote5273

4 жыл бұрын

@@robsorgdrager8477 ford guys have to deal with mopar and chevy stuff all over the place to get good ford content . Dumbass comments like that make the task just a little more daunting, thank you.

@MrFriedpork

4 жыл бұрын

I know it’s about time to put something other than a Chevy !!

@Turshin

4 жыл бұрын

@@robertbelote5273 I think he was just making about hiw the presenters call it a fox chasis when it's clearly an MN12

wow, that's a super clean chassis

I had two 1997 T-Birds. Loved them.

Great Episode

Such a cool odd ball build!

Wow, these guys make this look easy.

The drive shaft goes over the top side of the gas tank for a lower ground clearance. My 94 Cougar was the same.

Nice. My 89 needs it. California car, HELP! A Millisecond can make the Start or Finish a Win or Loss . This Bird 🕊️ Got the Start, the 427 . Will. Nice to hear Your voice 🙂. Thanks

That has to be the worst gear contact pattern . I can't believe you guys think its okay

@Trapper50cal

3 жыл бұрын

Right? That's exactly what I thought when I saw it...not what I was taught to look for AT ALL.

8:46 says: "Apply several light coats to prevent it from running." ...while laying on six or seven coats all at once. 🤦🏻‍♂️

@old_romans

4 жыл бұрын

"our gas tank is bone dry" gas tank dribbles a bunch of fuel

@philtripe

4 жыл бұрын

@@old_romans that was the fuel line...and its Duplicolor crap, that stuff makes Rustoleum look like good car paint

@old_romans

4 жыл бұрын

5:33 forgot he had a lift

@blainemeyer

4 жыл бұрын

Old Яomans it's called pressurized lines

@paulsmith5611

4 жыл бұрын

@@old_romans He knew he had a lift but those were the last bolts holding the engine and trans into the body. Because the powertrain dolly (table) they were using was low to the ground they had to remove those last bolts with the entire car low too. There are powertrain tables that raise 6+ feet in the air but I guess they didn't have one.

I tend the think the MN12s are underrated cars. You hardly hear about them anymore but the SC was a beast in it's day.. and yes, I realize that most of them probably blew head gaskets.

I sure miss my 1992 T-Bird, best handling car I ever drove. 3.8 liter V-6, finally kicked a rod out at about 325,000 miles. The body was in fantastic condition, no rust or dents.

Holy shit! That rear sway bar is a fat damn beast!

I love these! Subscribed :)

I have a 96 cougar xr7 with the 32v engine I put in waiting to rebuild the trans to where it needs it

Stay in da Groove

Looked like yall got a nice clean tbird

That fan is one of the best out there to use on hot rods.. its the one that comes in the Lincoln Mark 8

Had a 63" 78" 95-V8" All nice cars :)

Best one I've seen cheers👍

Some love for the thunderchicken

@1ivannthegreat

4 жыл бұрын

j. Mill “ Thunder Chicken “ Seriously?? Are you hungry or something?

@fatman1288

4 жыл бұрын

thunderchicken? last i checked there called thunder birds

@mynameisjosh4506

4 жыл бұрын

@@fatman1288 arent chickens a bird? For the record I do like Thunderbirds. I've got pretty good highschool memories with this generation.

@bmstylee

4 жыл бұрын

@@1ivannthegreat yes. Yes I am. Fried chicken sounds like an excellent idea for dinner.

I had a 93 v6 and then a 94 v8. NEARLY got a SC. I prefer the subtle differences of the 94 compared to the more rounded 97 shown here. Really fun cars. My "upgrade" to a 2000 Mustang was really a downgrade. I wish Ford still made Thunderbirds like this, not like the 2002 retro model.

@Tonyscasa

8 ай бұрын

I just bought a 94 V8 with only 100 k miles . The first thing I wanna do is replace the stock muffler , can you recommend any good brands/ alternatives

@LPack05

8 ай бұрын

@@TonyscasaI’ve had my 97 Mercury Cougar XR7 for about 5-6 months and the best setup I’ve found is either just dual straight pipes or dual catback exhaust

@Tonyscasa

8 ай бұрын

@@LPack05I just bought a flow master gonna cut out the resonator and then the mufflers . Just don’t know where to but the pipes for the straight pipe .

@LPack05

8 ай бұрын

@@Tonyscasa yeh? Mine is just dual straight no cats or mufflers. Sounds mean asf

Love the dangling calipers

I like seeing this I got a 92 Sc 👌🏼

I really appreciate it and I was wondering what engine would you put to make a 3.8 a sleeper

I like when I see Timken bearings in videos like these. I like to see the stamps to know if they were made at the one I work at or not.

That might be a tired 4.6 but it was and will always be Fords best late gen motor (before the cam phasers) oh and the 300 I6

@brucedressel8873

4 жыл бұрын

My Teksid 4.6 in my 98 mark 8 isn't tired by a long stretch ... not the cheapest or easiest engine to work on nevertheless with the right parts this little engine still roars ...

@paulhoskins7852

4 жыл бұрын

I loved my 300 I6. I hear good things about the pre-phaser 4.6's.

@ur_quainmaster7901

4 жыл бұрын

@@brucedressel8873 2v sohc vs 4v dohc, but yes the "cobra" motor in the Mk VIII was great in it's day. Not a great match for the rear end ratio... All the power at the top end and a car that does like 60 mph in first gear.

@vendediesel

4 жыл бұрын

140k miles is nothing. There's a guy I know from Texas that used to drag race his 97 on the stock short block for 300,000 miles.

@donaldk.macbaird4950

4 жыл бұрын

I hate to tell you but the 300 I6 is an old motor as it came out in the late 50's and it's only 292 cubic inch's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great platform!

I like the Lockheed Martin F22 background music.

does anybody know if the rear CV axles are the same units for the 99-04 cobras? what is the max power rating of the stock cobra CV axles? lastly if those DSS upgrade CV axles are required for 600+whp? thanks

When you get bluerays with the completed build start to finish give me a shout..

I like this project! :)

Man I love this show

This is interesting. I had a '96 Cougar and was part of TCCoA and I know for a fact that after market suppprt for the MN-12 is very small. I miss my Cougar but I have replaced it with a '87 5.0 Tbird and an ,86 T-Top GT with 80k miles. The Tbird is in the build stages for auto x and road course.

As a 1997 TBird owner I approve 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾

17 year old 98' Mark Viii owner love it so much I'd take it over a mustang anyday.

no one else going to call them out on that horrible gear pattern?!

@D3thM3tal

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that wasn't even remotely close! You can often get away with re-suing some of the shims, but the diff shouldn't just drop into the housing like that.

@AnonyMous-jf4lc

4 жыл бұрын

I did. GROSS! When making an extreme ratio change, sometimes the pinion shim doesn't work. I take the original bearing, and with a die grinder, open up the center so it slide easily on the new pinion. Doing that allows you to change the pinion depth shim without pressing the bearing on/off repeatedly.

@TeamGeezer

4 жыл бұрын

Yup, I saw it and thought WTF?

@c130aviator

4 жыл бұрын

Just said the same thing

@jmoneydadrivah908

4 жыл бұрын

3 grand? Yall got hosed

I really want to see them build up that 4.6L.

Tuning the 4.6 and adding a supercharger would be a better choice in my opinion. Good chassis modifications though.

Tenth gen Birds and Cougars are the MN12 platform, NOT the Fox chassis. 8th and 9th gen of both were Fox based.

Fantastic project Boys!! but ...thumbs down to hanging calipers from hoses and showing coast side of ring gear, for pattern. Looking forward to next episode 😎👍🏆

I think the 2018 t-bird brought allot of life back into it.

This is not a fox chassis lol..88' was the last fox chassis tbirds dude..These are MN12 chassis!!!!!! Lol

@sdmercuryman

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, that FOX note stopped me in my tracks. MN10 Cougar/Thunderbird, MN12 Mark VIII. Isn't that correct because of the slightly elongated frame for the Lincoln?

@CamaroAmx

4 жыл бұрын

The fox based chassis lasted until 2004 in the mustang.

@boxcarent.3147

4 жыл бұрын

The SN95 is fox based.

@philthyco1

4 жыл бұрын

@@boxcarent.3147 Your point? This is a T-bird..Not a Mustang

@boxcarent.3147

4 жыл бұрын

@@philthyco1 Exactly the guy in video said it was a fox chasis and we no that it is not a fox chasis.

I hope you do a good build on that 4.6 or find a new edge mustang and build that motor. I've been wanting to build mine but I'm torn between heads/cams or a blower. Watching you guys do something like that would be awesome! Love your show. I watch it all the time.

@bmstylee

4 жыл бұрын

Heads and a cam. A blower is worthless without the ability to handle the air.

Did he say Fox chassis? Isn't it MN12 platform?

@djhaloeight

4 жыл бұрын

No One yep. 89-97 was MN12 platform. the Mark VIIIs used a modified FN12 platform.

@davidburman451

4 жыл бұрын

I caught that too....except for being typical unibody construction this bird has nothing in common at all with a fox bird / mustang. The script writers dropped the ball ..... in the hot rod business they should be fully aware of the fox legacy in mustangs....called the 32 ford of our generation. I build fox thunderbirds....just on a hobby level though. Smaller 500lbs lighter and shares mustang power parts but alot nicer car ......( just my opinion ) .......whats not to luv. Still I'd give my eye teeth for this MN-12......its insanely clean under neath. Nothing here in ontario canada looks like that after 22 years on the road.

@blaing3354

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, there were a few flubs in this one. I think the sn95 is more related to the foxbody than the mn12 was

@mylezzpurhourr

4 жыл бұрын

The MN12 was based off the Fox Body but not the same chassis

gotta love joe's radio voice

By the way this show is absolutely amazing!