As a retired police detective I investigated more death calls with a 380 than any other caliber. Don’t be fooled, a 380 cal is a formidable Killer

@OldManMontgomery

Жыл бұрын

Great killer. I'm not a hitman, I carry for defense and want to stop attacks right away with the least amount of shots and bother. Don't confuse 'killing' with 'stopping'

@BearNecesities1

Жыл бұрын

@@OldManMontgomery although sometimes they're the same thing. Well said

@OldManMontgomery

Жыл бұрын

@@BearNecesities1 Commonly recorded cases indicate the villain was in fact killed, but not dead until after the villain committed his act of villainy. In which case, the defender looses. I prefer the villiain to be rendered unable to carry out the attack instantly - or a reasonable facimily - and I really don't care if he dies or not. "...sometimes they're the same thing" Yes. But not often enough for my peace of mind.

@keyfitter

Жыл бұрын

I carry a .380 for two main reasons. It does not over penetrate for one which is safer for innocent bystanders. Many of the pistols made for this cartridge are highly concealable which suit my purpose. I only care about stopping a problem. If they end up taking dirt nap, oh well.

@BearNecesities1

Жыл бұрын

@@keyfitter as do I. I don't want to make an innocent bystander collateral damage. If my 12(×2)+1 isn't enough to stop the threat evading is the best option. I'm not out here to be a hero, I'm just here to defend myself and the people I love.

People get really weird about the power of certain calibers. I'm convinced that even a well placed .22 could stop many bad situations from going down.

@aberjaylopdollar1074

Жыл бұрын

You are on the money. Long ago, my Army Drill Sergeant pointed out ... it ain't about the size of the bullet, it's where you put the damned thing. .223 .22Mag. I'd not want to be at the receiving end of any gun. I pack Ruger .380

@erichirsch5009

Жыл бұрын

Yes a 22 double tap does trick

@erichirsch5009

Жыл бұрын

I think most miss with high calibers. But hey the bigger round costs more as do the rifle or handgun

@erichirsch5009

Жыл бұрын

The 380 is strongest caliber most women should carry. 9mm being the most

@pg6576

Жыл бұрын

John Browning designed the 380. Nuff said.

I’ve been saying this for years, great part is the level of technology that has been put into the .380. Hiding a small .380 is a lot more friendly.

Great video! I'm a 45 acp guy, but 99% of the time it's my 380 in my pocket.

@stevemccarty6384

Жыл бұрын

I have a Glock 380 and like it, but if I think I'll actually have to use a gun I drop a Makarov in my pocket. Why? It has never jammed, not once! And it shoots hard enough.

Thanks for the science. While I prefer shooting 9mm more, I find myself carrying a .380 more often because of the size.

@rustyshackleford1877

Жыл бұрын

My LCP max is a game changer. After pocket carry, I'll never go back to IWB. Plus,my odds of needing the firearm is slim to none .

@mnikss03

Жыл бұрын

@@rustyshackleford1877 usually carry my G26 in the winter time. But when summer reaches 100+ everyday/night, the LCP max is the go to in the pocket.

@rustyshackleford1877

Жыл бұрын

@@mnikss03 I don't even know I have it on me sometimes

@MADDOG100ful

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! Me too!

@jdhill3jh

Жыл бұрын

Same here. Likely going with the Sig P365/ 380

This video has confirmed what I always thought, ball ammo is best for .380.

@willbill7250

11 ай бұрын

Cause the barrel is ramped ball works better. I load two balls then hollows every other. Kahr p380

@DuvalRypr

3 ай бұрын

This video doesn’t confirm that at all lol. Using the worst JHP ammo available for .380 doesn’t prove anything. Just go to Tools&Targets videos and watch his .380 videos. Underwood JHP +P and Federal Hydra Shok Deep are among the best performers out there. Much better performance than ball could ever be.

@maxdoles5806

11 күн бұрын

​@@DuvalRyprWinchester's Defender series was found to be very good as well.

@user-ws4vt7zu5o

3 сағат бұрын

@@DuvalRypr He went with Winchester FMJ for his pick in that video. The deep got clogged and didn't expand, underwood is great, but for the money FMJ's performance was the winner.

For my money the Ruger LCP max loaded with 13rds of XTP has changed the game. Less than 1lb fully loaded with 13rds, and really nice factory night sights. Just amazing.

@Nigriff

Жыл бұрын

I prefer the Sig 365 if I want that many rounds in a little gun... for a pocket gun, I go with The Crimson Trace Bodyguard 380 and an extra 10 round man. To each their own. Sights on a pocket gun are just points of snagging for me.

@Followme556

Жыл бұрын

@@Nigriff 365 is huge compared to an LCP Max they are not in the same category

@rblk9213

Жыл бұрын

I love my lcp max

@Followme556

Жыл бұрын

@little drane you make a lot of completely unsupportable assumptions. You can carry a 380 any place you can carry any other gun. A 13 shot 380 loaded with xtps is every bit as effective as any other Duty caliber handgun of the same size, as per the Greg ellefritz study. Thousands of real life shooting videos on channels like ASP I have never once shown a citizen reload a handgun in the middle of a gunfight. It doesn't happen.

@theone5331

Жыл бұрын

Lcp max stays in my pocket at all times. Even if im carrying my hellcat iwb

To the people who think a bigger caliber is best, Never met anyone with a preference on caliber to be shot at with in a self defense situation. My wife wants to carry and she does great with a p365 in a .380 and is comfortable at the range with it. Great video!

I’ve carried a Bersa Thunder .380 for some time now. It’s light, accurate, and reliable.

@larryrobertson3310

Жыл бұрын

carried the same for about 20 yrs, wore the blueing off !! good little gun

@thearchitect817

Жыл бұрын

Good gun , long bad trigger. Reliable though.

@memyself898

Жыл бұрын

That was my first carry gun. Still have it.

@rayhanes1347

Жыл бұрын

Who remembers the surveillance video of the poor pharmacist shooting a robber to death that tried to rob his shop? 380 works.

@daviddowns7552

Жыл бұрын

those are good guns. bersa. i had a 45 thunder pro. 7+ rounds.

380 ACP is a great caliber when used with the right ammo and in the right pistol. I carry the Bersa Thunder Plus, 15+1 magazine, it's a great pistol. Glad to see someone do an unbiased video about 380 ACP.

@ryanhale4116

Жыл бұрын

I have the same gun as my daily carry. My law enforcement friends (one who is a pistol expert) have told me how much they like it and that it doesn’t feel like a small gun. That 15 rd mag is great too…most 380s have only 9 or 10. I’m getting a second Bersa for my wife.

@justanotherdave7117

Жыл бұрын

Love my thunder plus with underwood xtreme defender

@justanotherdave7117

Жыл бұрын

@little drane Hence the Underwood Xtreme Defender which doesn’t rely on expansion and I don’t think I will be shooting any animals with my .380, thanks though.

@tommykawasaki9676

Жыл бұрын

Love my Bersa Thunder !

Awesome video my friend, and thank you...I carry a S&W .380 Bodyguard purchased 5 yrs. ago. It's simple, reliable and safe to carry without worrie's of accidentally discharge. I put around 400 rounds through it over the years WITHOUT a single misfire or having to pull the trigger a second time!! I feel very confident with it as my EDC!!!

Really the best handgun study to date is Greg Ellefritz's work. In his study there is no significance statistical difference between 380 and any of the other Duty calibers in real world shootings.

I carry a Ruger LCP in situations where a larger/heavier gun would not be feasible, and while I understand that it is NOT as powerful as my 9mm, I carry it with confidence.

@DunnDealOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Man, I love my LCP. It’s definitely my favorite pocket rocket to carry especially on days when the Texas/Louisiana heat is on full throttle.

@exist7415

Жыл бұрын

Again I wouldn't want to get hit by it. Plenty powerful enough and those little girls are louder than some rifles imo.

@TarmanDan

Жыл бұрын

I carry my LCP everyday!

@exist7415

Жыл бұрын

@@TarmanDan loud!

@mikegoodwin2386

Жыл бұрын

I'm a 45 lover who carries the LCP in 380 frequently because I'm too lazy to dress around the larger gun just for a quick trip to the corner store. I've more recently bought a very compact 9mm to split the difference and it is threatening to become my main carry weapon. (More testing is in order before I can say it's my new #1, but I'm leaning in that direction.)

We seem to be in total agreement that the .380 is plenty of Fire power. What's left is to become proficient with not only two hands but with one hand. We have two Bersa 380's, one a single stack and mine which is a 15 rounder. It's amazing how many people under estimate just how awesome it holds true to its trajectory, perhaps flatter than most realize within reason. This was fun to watch your expertise with the mighty.👍

.380 is my favorite carry piece. Very easy to conceal, lightweight and very easy to drawl quickly.

Thanks for your post. You have definitely increased my confidence in the .380 ACP.

That was very interesting and proves the 380 is still lethal at 50m. I have a Sig P238 .380 and it's definitely my favorite carry piece. Very accurate and plenty of punch.

@GummyNugget

Жыл бұрын

I love my sig p238

@michaelsweaney3890

Жыл бұрын

I love my P238. Tough as a Russian tank. Smooth and precise as a Swiss watch. Only complaint is capacity.

@wowKyl3

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelsweaney3890 Have another clip ready or consider maybe extended mag. I felt the same way. Great gun but needs a larger capacity.

@naposthecavalierkingcharles

5 ай бұрын

@@wowKyl3the p238 does not use clips

I've asked many but no one has ever volunteered to be shot by my .380 to see how affective it is. I use Underwood Extreme Penetrator ammo which is a plus P round. This bullet gets great penetration and does the same tissue damage, or more, than a hollow point.

@GrenadeMcSticki

Жыл бұрын

Extreme Defender or Extreme Penetrator? I hope you are not carrying the XP for self defense for your own sake.

@cp300blackout4

11 ай бұрын

kkkk true!

I have been in a Club that shoots 380's for over a decade. And we all can attest to the fact that it most definitely a great self defense cartridge as well as a defensive weapon. They are under rated Period. And so many ways to conceal and draw fast. Thanks for the video.

@dukeman7595

Жыл бұрын

Still a 9mm short.. Granted with the advent of superb bullet design the .380 is much better, however, I would not count it as a home defense caliber much better choices..

@kurtdowney1489

Жыл бұрын

@@dukeman7595 I disagree I run Eagle talons in my 380.

@keyfitter

Жыл бұрын

@@dukeman7595 Yep, when I run out of bullets, there is the trusty 12 gauge to finish the job.

@daviddowns7552

Жыл бұрын

speer gold dot 90 g is good

@daviddowns7552

Жыл бұрын

i appreciate your video also.

This is a great video, very professional. And you get extra points for being truthful about the rounds recoil and for not saying the ubiquitous “It’s a great round for women or old people or people with strength issues”. It’s just a good round. The guns it comes in are very concealable and are true pocket pistols.

@daviddowns7552

Жыл бұрын

380 is good. around 900 to 1000 fps with certain loads i think. lots of practice is an advantage.

With today's advances in ammo technology, the 380 is an effective self-defense gun. I carry the Ruger LCP Max because it is the most concealable high capacity 380 on the market. I carry the 12 rd mag with Hydro Shok Deep, Underwood Xtreme Penetrator and Precision One XTP.

@kenpeters9807

Жыл бұрын

I’ve never used the Underwood Xtreme Penetrator and I didn’t know Precision One made .380. I like their products. I just made a lengthy response to “Brian” on these blogs about the P238. The doggone thing seems to consistently penetrate nearly 15”. Check out my reply to Brian’s reply. Of you can’t fid it, tell me and I will send it to you. We are big Sig and Ruger fans. I think Sig makes the best and Ruger is very very high quality with the best price to quality ratio. The P238 holds 8 - no comparison to the quantity of the LCP Max. The P238 could be easily racked and handled by my wife. (Her first semi-auto pistol.) I eventually got one too. Now she can readily rack a .40 and a .45ACP. I don’t think you can beat a quality .380 mini pistol for EDC. With the right modern ammo - whew! Ken

@e2sealoperator561

Жыл бұрын

I have a bersa thunder 380 in my daypack. Only comes out once a month to get cleaned and ammo rotated.

@christopherhall5361

Жыл бұрын

hydro shock rounds are the ONLY way to make a .380 effective, and even still it doesn't hold a candle to a regular 9mm, a meth head will still be coming after you if you shoot them with a .380

@paisteplayer1040

Жыл бұрын

@@kenpeters9807 I would get one of these if they made it with a thumb safety switch.. Right now I carry a springfield armory 911 7+1 mag w/safety.

@williamteague2291

Жыл бұрын

The LCP Max is the best value in the concealed carry market....with arguably the best night sights, another home run from Ruger!

Good stuff. .380 is my ccw gun when visiting Hawaii, since it’s easy to conceal with board shorts, tank top and chonklas.

@AmmoMart

2 жыл бұрын

That is an excellent point. I fear some think that with a smaller sized gun comes less lethality which is not true in a quality firearm and good ammunition. Big does not spell bad. Thanks for viewing and I hope we hear from you in the future.

@colt10mmsecurity68

2 жыл бұрын

@@AmmoMart Indeed. The ammo I’m mandated to carry with my .380 is Federal HST 99gr HP. Sadly it doesn’t expand at all really when passing through clothing. However it does penetrate like a FMJ. With no clothing barrier, it expands greatly but only penetrates about 10.5-11”. Heck, that’s good enough for me. I’ve always training for the “failure drills,” of two to the heart and one to the “coconut.” …then it’s time for a reload. .380 will ruin a bad guy’s day just fine and it’s better than using a length of sugar cane on the islands. 🍍

@danielescamilla182

2 жыл бұрын

How the hell did you get a ccw permit in Hawaii?

@colt10mmsecurity68

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielescamilla182 HR218

@erichaas4525

Жыл бұрын

I've heard that chonklas can be pretty effective in the right hands...

I carry 380. I love it. the guns are compact and easy to conceal. It carrys easy and comfortable.

Really cool you actually show the missed shots!

.380 direct blowback is snappy, but delayed blowback guns like the p238 or lcp makes shooting .380 a breeze.

I think alot of people underestimate the 380 it is a good self defense ammo in my opinion

I have two .380's a PPK and a SW M&P Bodyguard, so this is great information! Thanks...Dave

I just found your channel last night, and just the day before yesterday, I bought myself a Bersa Thunder .380. I was quite pleased by the presentation of the .380 you gave here! My previous EDC was a .40 cal S&W Shield. I had to get rid of that because my wife couldn't rack the slide on it at all. Yesterday, I bought her a Ruger LCP II .22 cal, and it's a very nice CC gun. She loves it. Dude, the fact that you hit the gel at 50 meters is very impressive with such a tiny barrel. I'd have to spray and pray at that distance because after having LASIK surgery on my eyes, my sighting ability sucks hind tit. I'm having to relearn sighting all over because one eye is for distance and one eye is for close up. That means the sights are out of focus with my dominant eye and everything beyond about 24 inches is a total blur in my non-dominant eye. It's called "monovision," and is a very popular method for LASIK recipients. Be that as it may, I'm going to check out your other videos! Also, I just about blew coffee out my nose laughing at the end of your video with the, "Back to weekly angst....and poultry." I busted out laughing. I'm sure some tree-hugging snowflake will give you grief for shooting up a dead chicken. (Pass the barbecue sauce). Have a great weekend, and thanks again!!

@imaanon1668

Жыл бұрын

Lolol

@UN-intelligent

Жыл бұрын

The great thing about the bersa thunder, extra mags are cheap along with lasers for it. The laser grips are a different story but a normal laser cost about $100 for it.

@sevse23

Жыл бұрын

Your holy grail sir could be the new P365 in 380, and here's why: - easier to rack than the Bersa thunder, being a tilting barrel design (the thunder is a blowback) - 2 more rounds for a total of 10 rounds in the magazine - 4.3 oz lighter than the Bersa - best of all, it comes red dot ready, so you can add an optic sight, which could help a lot in near sight / far sight issues. I would seriously consider that Sig, since it seems to tick all the boxes you need.

@UN-intelligent

Жыл бұрын

@@sevse23 is it going to jam like a lot of reports of sigs doing bad things here lately?

@sevse23

Жыл бұрын

@@UN-intelligent I'm not aware of any jamming P365 380, care to show evidence? BTW I'm a Glock guy, couldn't care less for SIGs business had it not been for the gentleman who elaborated on his needs.

In 1989 Myself and two friends were involved in a street-fight when we were attacked by 5 gang members for being in the wrong neighborhood (not being racist, they were actual gang members, later verified by police when they were caught). During the course of the scuffle, one of them pulled a pistol and shot one of my friends two times, once in the stomach and once in the chest, and then all five of them ran away. My other friend waited with my friend that had been shot, while I ran to find a payphone and call 911. I found one several blocks away at a 7-11 (a convenience store). When I returned to the scene, my friend that had been shot was dead. About 10-15 minutes had lapsed between the time I left and the time I returned. We later found out from recovery of the shell casings, and verified through the course of the trial (all five of the gang members were caught), that my friend had been shot with a .380. People that talk about .380 not being "enough" for self-defense don't know what they are talking about. No amount of debate, ballistics testing, or supposed real-world accounts of people that got shot with .380 ACP and lived (of course I know it happens, I'm talking about people that try to imply that that is the usual result, with death being the exception), will EVER convince me that .380 is not powerful enough for self-defense.

@zitiboylilo5789

Жыл бұрын

My father is a retired homicide detective with over 20 years experience as a detective and 15 as a regular deputy. Make no mistake about it any bullet is capable of death if placed in the right place. He’s even had cases where people were killed with through and through headshots from .17 caliber BB guns/ air rifle calibers. He carried .380 only as a backup gun in public and a .357 in the night stand and a 12 gauge behind the headboard. When he first started out he had the option of a .38 special or .357 and the backup guns were small .32 revolvers then. When he left on duty carry was Sig Sauer .40 caliber pistols and backup guns were any gun they chose but had to be at least 5 rounds. It was guys who carried Dillinger’s with 2 shots of .45acp as their backup 😂. He said from what he saw it really wasn’t a difference between what a .380-9mm-.40 does inside the human body once it hits soft tissue, muscle, organ matter, bone, etc. they all had about the same amount of damage. .45’s and .357’s and of course .44 magnums did a lot more damage but the recoil wasn’t suitable for rapid follow up shots. The stats for the last 40 so years on homicides and calibers used had 50%+ if not more almost 60% of all the fatalities were from .22s, .32s and .380s. So these small calibers these people today talk about as not being enough “stopping power” were more than enough to kill thousands of people with one or two shots from those small calibers. Most shooting fatalities believe it or not, I’m talking 3/4 of the homicides were one or two shots only. Not 17 shots. People today are insane and have no real world proof to back up their fanatical need to carry 40-50+ rounds with them to Wendy’s 😂 practice and practice some more with your piece and try to perfect the art of head shots. Because lately these mass shootings taking place all of these guys are wearing soft armor. Or perfect femoral artery hits 😂

@WillyK51

Жыл бұрын

Very sorry about that one, long before that, I carried a S&W 36 in 38 and it happened to be a deterent in several confrontations, without shooting, Today at home I tuck it under belt in change pocket when I put on my jeans, Just in case

@danwhyte3524

Жыл бұрын

Hey D man I'm sorry for your loss!!

.380 was a military round like .32 was, and I think that gets lost on many people. I'd personally never use it in JHP configuration but I have zero problem using it in ball when I need to use .380. Thanks for the video.

@rickjohnson3215

Жыл бұрын

I would like to bring up to you the Hornaday critical defense round in 380 and the Sig V Crown, both expand very well and meet the FBI standards for penetration of 12” - 18”. Both penetrates at the 12.5” to 14” range. My wife caries a Bersa 380 so I have researched the ballistics of 380 acp and these are the only rounds which expands and penetrates to FBI standards. Not much to choose from admittedly.

@toddjohnson271

Жыл бұрын

Yup....380 used by police in Europe for ages. It's like people think 38 special no longer works as police carried it for 100 years.

@tylerwill5250

Жыл бұрын

Rick…389 HCD does NOT meet fbi standards….never seen a test that it did. Use an xtp hp round of some kind of ball. Thats it!

@scooterbob4432

Жыл бұрын

I saw a picture of two Dutch military officers armed with Browning 32 ACP pistols, taken I guess before WW2. You're right, 32 and 380 ACP were previously military rounds in Europe.

@williamwatson4625

Жыл бұрын

I fill up the magazine of my Bersa Firestorm with Lehigh Xtreme Penetrator. They create larger and more messy wound cavities than the ball or flat-nose rounds. Yes, I'd never use JHP rounds on a .380 auto pistol unless I'm a mob assassin and my job is to kill a turncoat at the back of his head at point blank range.

Like I have always said, John Browning perfected the science with a ball round, but manufacturers are constantly trying to fix what wasn't broken.

@hansblitz7770

Жыл бұрын

Quality JHP is not just about more damage, it is about staying in the target.

@moustachio334

Жыл бұрын

I’d rather over penetrate and get two holes for the price of one anyday. I’m not shooting someone knowing there are friendlies behind him even if I had JHP. JHP also have a hard time actually hitting the vital organ you aimed at. There’s scenarios where people get shot centermass and the bullet ricochets after penetrating and while it creates a big wound cavity, it doesn’t actually hit a vital organ. A FMJ doesn’t behave like this. It goes where you place. The wound cavity size and under penetration are all marketing BS that’s probably killed more people than it’s protected.

@libertyprime9307

Жыл бұрын

If you can get reliable expansion while keeping adequate penetration, why wouldn't you? A bigger bullet can make a bigger hole, and having a sharp shoulder especially is better than a round shoulder because tissue will stretch over a round nose, but be cut by a sharp one, leading to a larger primary wound cavity.

@randyrush9856

Жыл бұрын

@@libertyprime9307 .380 is generally relegated to small pistols to help alleviate recoil. These compact pistols have less room for the mechanical function. Changing the shape of the round, reducing the weight of round (hollow point), changing the length of the round, can result in a less reliable cartridge or negatively effect acceptable penetration, i.e., 12" to 16" FBI ballistics gel, etc...

@libertyprime9307

Жыл бұрын

@@randyrush9856 Sure, I agree with all of that. That said, I own the original LCP, an LCP 2, and used to own the Taurus TCP. None of them ever failed in my hands with any kind of ammo. I've seen some of my relatives reliably limp-wrist them though. It's obviously user error. To me, when you buy a gun (especially one intended for defense), the first thing you do is go to the range and run a few hundred rounds of your defensive ammo through it to check for reliability, and I'd say this process isn't special for .380. It's not a reason to not purchase a .380, because you should be putting it through the same test as anything else.

I actually really like the 380 ACP. I bought my wife a Bersa 380 and she was quite effective on the range and she was very accurate as well. I was so impressed with it that I sometimes carried it concealed and left my 45 ACP at home. I would definitely recommend it for women because it is small enough to conceal in a purse or fanny pack.

Love my Beretta 85 BB. Small , accurate and above all reliable as a rock.

@eventhisidistaken

Жыл бұрын

Me too. I bought one new over 30 years ago, and it has never once jammed. ...I've always used FMJ though, so maybe that's part of it.

@guaporeturns9472

Жыл бұрын

@@eventhisidistaken I have shot some hp ammo(can’t remember what) and it worked fine.. although I shoot mostly fmj.

@eventhisidistaken

Жыл бұрын

@@guaporeturns9472 I've read that you are more likely to jam if you don't use FMJ, but I don't really know if that's true.

Excellent video, love it or hate it the .380 has put lots of people in the ground.

@kenpeters9807

Жыл бұрын

Including Arch Duke Francis Ferdinand and his wife, triggering The Great War (WWI) - not really a world war, but one hellova European War!

@richarddavenport31

Жыл бұрын

Good to know, I will get one

@anthonylandino7709

Жыл бұрын

According to a police officer friend it has also let a lot of people get up!!!!!

@jasonashley4579

Жыл бұрын

@@anthonylandino7709 So has PCP

@gonzob9609

Жыл бұрын

@@anthonylandino7709 No offense, all handguns suck. You're poking holes in people. Need a critical shot, or they'll just bleed out. If you do the math on the difference of frontal area of both bullets, compared to the human body, there is little to no difference. Shoot what you shoot best that's capable of penetrating to, and through the spine. Keep firing until the perp drops.

I have carried the same .380 handgun for the past almost 40 years... a Mauser HSC. Excellent pistol, very compact and excellent to control. Never had a jam or a misfeed shooting all sorts of ammunition. The only thing I don't like is the bottom magazine release and the 7+1 single stack but it is a very concealable, easily controllable weapon.

@scooterbob4432

Жыл бұрын

The 380 ACP is a good alternative to 9mm especially for seniors with wrist/hand problems. I have an Interarms PPK/S and I just love my classic beauty.

@funnyfack9854

Жыл бұрын

You should check out the ruger lcp max . 10 plus 1 i believe

@loveydovey4u

Жыл бұрын

380 is a mouse gun

@kl0wnkiller912

Жыл бұрын

@@loveydovey4u MAybe but if you know how to use it, it can be just as effective as any other. I also carry a .40 but the .380 has advantages for concealed carry that the .40 can't.

@shootermcgavin2819

Жыл бұрын

@@loveydovey4u How bout you stand down range and I use you as target practice. Your manlet ass won't last an entire magazine of .380, not even close

Thank you for the demo! I really like my "little" .380...but wasn't sure if it would be 'enough' if I ever had a need to use it. **scurries off to buy another one!! LOL**

Great video. I agree, .380 is more than adequate for a conceal carry round. I carry a Ruger LCP loaded with Precision One .380 XTPs. I pocket carry it in a Desantis Nemesis pocket holster with 2 backup mags. Obviously I’m not going to be using it for a go to war gun, but it is more than adequate to get me out of a jam while going out to the grocery store haha.

@davehart7943

Жыл бұрын

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@texmex8220

Жыл бұрын

And thats what a concelead handgun is for, at least in my opinion. Its something to get you out of a bad spot

@kevinb8527

Жыл бұрын

@@texmex8220 Exactly. I don’t plan to get into a prolonged shootout with it or anything. I’m well practiced with it and know it’s limitations. It’s a great little pistol. I sent mine off and had a tritium front sight and dovetailed rear sight put on it. It’s much more shootable now.

I carried a Sig P230 SL on duty as my backup for several years. It is now one of my "safe queens". Fantastic little gun!! I replaced it with a Glock 43, then changed to an LCP II. I carry the LCP II off duty on occasion and trust it to do the job.

I load all my ammo and a .380 takes just a couple less grains than a 9mm I would say it’s pretty effective.

@Dan-qn3su

Жыл бұрын

Unless you putting head shots in while using in self defense, I would not have it. I reload everything I shoot except 22lr

What a nice thorough and honest presentation. Great job. I have carried a .380 for a lot of years. The business end is plenty ample. I sure wouldn’t want to get whacked with one.👍🏻🇺🇸

@blaineedwards8078

Жыл бұрын

You have a carrot....WTF??

@michaelangelo7511

Жыл бұрын

@@blaineedwards8078 Ha Ha! Thanks for catching my poor editing. The auto spell kicked me in the a$$ and I didn’t catch it. 👍🏻🇺🇸

@blaineedwards8078

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelangelo7511 Brother Mike, it's all good, amigo! You are a great American....carry on.

@michaelangelo7511

Жыл бұрын

@@blaineedwards8078 👍🏻🇺🇸

I’m definitely not an expert, and if I’m not mistaken. When the bullet doesn’t totally penetrate, the kinetic energy it totally absorbed by the target. Maximizing the trauma by distributing it throughout the body. I think I read an article by Winchester on this years ago. My son gives me a hard time for carrying a .380. Lol Great Video!!!

@mkshffr4936

Жыл бұрын

Technically true that the energy is expended in the target however at handgun velocities the energy is almost a moot point as it takes velocities more in the 2000+fps range to get any real hydrostatic shock. An exit wound can help increase blood loss which can be an advantage in some situations. The biggest factor in tissue damage (other than placement) is bullet shape which is why full wad cutter revolver rounds perform so well even at very low velocities.

@hotrodray6802

Жыл бұрын

Look at Liberty Civil Defense ammo.

All I can say is that I am totally Impressed by your demonstration/instruction/description of field testing. 💥 This has to be almost if not the very best well demonstration videos on firearms ive seen on KZread. Nice clear narrations, excellent video shots. Not like many that just get out there and speak and babble so fast run through the numbers and mags and think you got something out of it. This is the example of instruction and presentation that has great standards. I like real world demonstrations. If you got a good shooter and place and materials and equipment all in harmony. I know sometimes some think that a vice and chair is scientific about ballistics but i want to know how effective something is in real world r simulated type testing truly is. Like I said with a really good shooter as yourself this is the example to know what is possible to archive for the average citizen. Thank you very much a well-done video. 👍💯

You Sir have become my go to person for ballistic testing. Hands down a great source for knowledge.

Great video. Always "worried" carrying my SIG P238 being 380ACP. It's a great light, small gun BUT never knew really how potent it would be if I needed it. You changed my mind. I actually bought a S&W 9 Shield + thinking the 380 wouldn't cut it. Guess I didn't need to. Thanks for the great review!

@blaineedwards8078

Жыл бұрын

When trying to decide a choice for the handgun for James Bond, the producers chose a Walther PPK because it looks cool and futuristic, like something the shadowy world of espionage would come up with.

@onamemmet

Жыл бұрын

That gun is fantastic, in every way.

This comprehensive video is well done. Great job

Well done! Useful information about an often dismissed round!

Stumbled onto this vid by accident, and glad I did. Very interesting, and good shooting. I've always been partial to .45 ACP, and own several, but my EDC is a Sig P238 SAS .380 ACP in an ankle holster.

Thanks for the video! Great job! I Really appreciate your effort into making the video such high quality. The canera work, editing and ofcourse the content. Really enjoyed it. Too not a major gun guy i learned there are differences like stopping power differences between rounds and too even hearing the military’s specs was interesting. Again, appreciate your time and care.

Thanks for the lessons I inherited as 1993 Colt mustang plus 2. Being a Marine, love the look little recoil. 8 rounds is a great number of rounds. Only fired 20 times. Fits perfectly in you pocket. Keep it up. Neal

@jerrydonquixote5927

Жыл бұрын

The Colt Mustang or the ones that started all these 1911 380 like Sig P238 the Kimber micro and the Springfield Armory whatever there's is called I love that little Colt Mustang I've never had one though! If I could have any of them I would choose that one secondary I like the Sig P238 the Kimber micro!

@jedironin380

Жыл бұрын

I have the Colt Gov't Model .380. If you've only fired yours 20 times, you need more practice! :)

@berrylee6787

Жыл бұрын

@@jedironin380 went to range and the is amazing in every way. Neal

Thanks for this video... I found it to be quite informing as I own and sometimes carry my "Sig P232 SL" in .380.

I used to carry a 1911 in 45, for a decade, been carrying a Llama 380, and am gratified to know the equal penetration at fifty yards, as at ten feet. I enjoy the comfort feel of a locked breech 1911 action, and the high accuracy potential it gives. I've long know the accuracy potential, and this demonstration of penetration was a welcome surprise. I also enjoy a couple 1911's in 38 super caliber, as very accurate and quite pleasant to shoot. I've also chambered a Llama 380 in 9mm Makarov, and that pistol is equally pleasant and fun to shoot. Thanks for doing this ballistic gel test, very nicely done.

@deet_boii

Жыл бұрын

Fixed barrel blowback is more repeatable than a locking design. Ask gun Jesus.

@hotrodray6802

Жыл бұрын

@@deet_boii Are you saying the Llama is not good enough since it's a linked barrel?

@johnmcclain3887

Жыл бұрын

@@hotrodray6802 I've had both and like the recoil of the locked breech action better. It's a nice backup caliber, I've also had it in 9mak, slightly hotter, and very easy to handle.

Great video with useful info and I appreciate your demeanor. So many KZreadrs are over the top (no pun intended) and annoying. You seem to be honest and real, and that’s refreshing on KZread.

Interesting on the close range ballistic. At longer ranges I would try to run away if possible. As far as the cost; .380 is not a fun round like .22 LR; it is a business round. Just like the .30-'06 hunting rounds, I only use a relative few, so cost is not a real object. Good review. Thanks

Awesome presentation and excellent results.

I cared the BDA 380 on my ankle for 30+ years. Running between 500, 600rds per month. I then switched to shoulder holster for another 7 years. It still runs and dependable, however I did change to the 40 and 45 FNP. I like full size frames. Good vid

Very interesting results. Makes me happy! Also, excellent shooting !👍

Excellent video. I carry a pocket pistol chambered in .380 and I feel confident as far as a self defense situation goes. Meaning that if I knew I was going to go to a gunfight I would choose a different firearm, but for any emergency situation where my life is in danger it will be just fine. Big difference between self defense and battle. I watch the show on ID Discovery about the homicide detective LT Joe Kenda, and about half of the homicides he investigates are committed with a .380 pistol.

Great video. I enjoy hearing your thoughts

This is a very educational video for everyone who practices self defense and conceal carry.

Very interesting .380 test, tanks !

I love my g42 for CCW. EXTREMELY manageable recoil even with infrequent periods of live fire practice. I can dump a mag with no problem and hit every round center mass. It’s small and super easy to carry. I have no problem trusting my life with .380. I carry 21 rounds in total and absolutely believe it’s more than enough for a self defense situation. I’ve had no desire to upgrade caliber or firearm for CCW since I bought my g42 when it came out. Great video!

@stephenschroeder6567

Жыл бұрын

I also carry a G42 as an EDC. I load the Underwood Xtreme Defenders and feel very confident in the system's performance. Hopefully it will never need to be tested.

@jbhickok7796

Жыл бұрын

Yes, and I regret that I traded mine away. Going to have to pick up another one.

I carry a p238 and an additional magazine in the summer months. It’s super easy to conceal even with shorts and a t-shirt.

Extraordinarily informative video. Thank you for doing this and getting the info out.

Very interesting, thanks for the demo!

Nice video. I like the set up. I definitely want a .380. I like the side by side comparisons too.

The performance of the JHP rounds was dismal. I'll take penetration over expansion anyday so in this case the ball ammo carries the day. Check out Underwood's Extreme defender ammo in .380acp. You get excellent penetration in gel even through barriers like windshields, sheet metal and plywood, yet its design produces a decent wound channel in gelatin. Nicely done video and it's the first time I've seen a gel test at 50 meters. Thanks.

@dullonion797

Жыл бұрын

What he said. My everyday carry gun is a 100% reliable Glock 42 with Underwood Xtreme Defender….8 plus 1. Reliable, effective, easy to carry.

@nathanlambshead4778

Жыл бұрын

I use the Extreme penetrators myself. The name is misleading. It does not over penetrate, but it does have the sectional density to get through bone and heavy clothes better than the light bullet. Just my own reason for using the heavier bullet. If I had the defenders only, I would certainly use them.

@dullonion797

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanlambshead4778 I’ve tried XD, .380 on a version of Paul Harrell’s meat target. Lots of denim, then pork ribs, then a watermelon and the XD made a real mess of the watermelon. One round. I might try XP…just to see.

@nathanlambshead4778

Жыл бұрын

@@dullonion797 You have a longer barrel with the Glock 42. Keep that in mind. If I carried a larger gun in summer, than my LCP Custom, I would probably keep the XTP or Critical Defense Hornady rounds in it. But when the belt and jackets weather hits, I carry a 9x19 with Gold Dot 124 grain +p. A different animal. But like I said, I would use the XD if that was what I had. I am probably just too 'old school' to trust high velocity lightweights over more standard weight for caliber. Maybe it is from my Hunting days. Hyper velocity often does not make it through and through on a Whitetail, whereas a decent sectional density would always push though creating that perfect chest sucking wound and blood trail to follow here in the deep woods. I have seen super high powered rounds fail in that. More than once. Funny how living tissue can act. Never quite predictable.

This guy is super knowledgeable and entertaining, love this video 👍

Many people put down the 380 auto, but if they think of the round as a 9mm short, it might get more attention. Like any firearm, practice is the way to get proficient with the tool.

@jimeagle1155

Жыл бұрын

A 380 is 100% a CCW self-defense round, there's no other practical use for it, and it fills it's need very well. I like to refer to it as a 9mm short.

@kenpeters9807

Жыл бұрын

Hey! It started WWI. Need I say more? (And that’s before today’s incredible advancements in ammunition.)

380 appears to be sufficient.

Excellent, confirms what I've experienced and suspected for years. Like to see a gel test using ball & JHP through winter clothing. I've done my own amateur test and was very pleased with the results.

Nice video. Thanks for the information 👍

It's getting to be .380 season. Great video. Anyone else get a little heartburn seeing the roof to the right of the gel blocks??

Great video. In my experience the .380 ACP is a very effective caliber especially in short range situations, long time ago I owned a Bersa .380 13+1 (here in the US Thunder Combat+ I think) it was the original version sold in Argentina, with a 4" 1/4 barrel, the performance of the gun was excellent under 115ft (35m).

@builtfordtough4499

Жыл бұрын

By the time you get to a 4" barrel you might as well carry a 9mm unless recoil is an issue. But, I agree 380 is under rated with the ammo these days. All the tests I have been seeing place it on the same level as 38 special given modern ammo.

@giulioespositi9052

Жыл бұрын

Exatly: my old (a nearly a mint-one) Beretta"mod.1934", cal 9-Corto/1941=XIX"E.F"(Era-Fascista) with "Mamba-type"/Fiocchi-ctg: are ideal-"binomio" at short distance (for a realistic self-defence: 0-10mt)😊

I love when people's excuse is "well knockdown power." I've shot whitetail in the heart, with .308, 30-06, 45-70, 300 win, and the deer still ran 40+ yards. I'll take more rounds, quicker follow up shots and accuracy over anything. You may think your perfect and "oh I never miss." But plenty of hunters miss that one shot at 50 yards because of adrenaline. Now take a living being trying to harm you.

@tylerwill5250

Жыл бұрын

It always baffles me when people thing a shotgun or some other round will ‘knock someone down’. Seems people have seen too many movies and not enough hunting.

@hotrodray6802

Жыл бұрын

Wait til the adrenaline hits as you're in fear of for your life.

@theincredible9168

Жыл бұрын

@@hotrodray6802 I don't think you read my entire comment.

As as .380 owner and carrier, you sir just got another subscriber.

Great video with useful practical information.

"Stopping power" is a myth. What is critical is placement. Even though my carry gun is a .45 ACP, other calibers when shot placement is adequate, are as lethal as that .45 ACP that I carry. Even .22LR.

@urpoturakainen4958

Жыл бұрын

Stopping power = an amount of damage from the bullet to the subject. It means how much your hit will drop the target's blood pressure, meaning as you say, the shot placement. .380 to the forehead has more stopping power than .22 to the buttocks, but .44 mag to the middle mass has more stopping power, than .380 to the middle mass. Plain and simple, .22 is enough to kill, but .500 mag kills even with not so perfect shot placement. If someone try to argue, ask him that would he take one or two shots plainly for proving his point?

@AshGreen359

Жыл бұрын

What's tricky is practicing for shot placement while crapping your pants. I haven't figured out a way to really simulate the sheer terror of being in an actual firefight

@danielk0106

Жыл бұрын

@@urpoturakainen4958 I've seen .45 ACP bounce off a windshield when 9mm penetrated the same windshield. Placement is key even with .22 and Once a person gets the FIBS factor (fuck I've been shot) they usually try to leave the scene. kzread.info/dash/bejne/oWeNyLumnJeanZM.html🤣

@eventhisidistaken

Жыл бұрын

I'm betting that all else equal, more energy is better. A poorly placed shot at higher energy may be as effective as a well placed shot at lower energy. But it could be the case that a .22LR is just as effective as anything else in the real world, because once you feel that slug in your chest/abdomen, your priority switches pretty quickly from robbery to survival.

@eventhisidistaken

Жыл бұрын

@@AshGreen359 I have not been in such a situation, but I have been in situations where adrenaline kicked in and overcame fear, resulting in hyper awareness instead of incapacity. It may be that instinct just has to handle it for you. But part of having good instinct, is training. If you train regularly in simulated situations, you are less likely just to freeze up, fail to flee and also fail to fight well.

Great video. Very informative. I hit the sub button. My everyday carry is either a LCP Max, a Taurus m380 revolver chambered in 380, or a Taurus 856 revolver in 38 special. Since I bought the LCP Max. Smaller package for pocket carry with 10+1 capacity. Again, thank you for the great video. I’m looking forward to more.

I like the side-by-side recoil comparison that was genius

I have a P-232 I have carried daily for nearly 30 years. It still looks like the day I bought it. And I have never had even one malfunction of any sort in all that time. Yes I do fire it regularly. Sadly they no longer make them...

Excellent video! Good thourl review of what the. 380 cartridge is capable of. Sig P230/ P232 is an excellent quality pistol. Nice distance shooting during the test.

My G30 Gen 4 and my Sig Scorpion 1911 have been in my safe since I got my LCPII over 3-4 years ago. Soon to own LCP Max. .380 FMJ is all I need. Great vid.

I use a .38 (.375) 106 grain round nosed bullet in my home PCP (air gun) carbine. It shoots that 106 grain round nosed bullet at 860 FPS giving me about 175 FPE which is basically the same as a .380 acp. I only shoot round nosed bullets because a hollow head bullet will not give adequate penetration with less than 250 FPE, and 300 FPE is perfect. That is why you load a .380 with round nosed bullets, and a .38 special and, 9 mm with hollow heads. Just the added mass of a typical 130 grain .38 special assures adequate penetration. Different calibers behave differently when penetrating with the same energy. If you put 200 FPE behind a .22 it's going to penetrate twice as deep as the .38 with 200 FPE. So those rules for bullet selection are only for the .357 (.38) and they are rough approximations not taking +P rounds and other characteristics of the bullet into consideration. Also, unless I'm shooting at least 900 FPS I don't expect full expansion of most hollow heads. However, there are hollow heads designed to expand at slower velocities, but always at the expense of penetration. I want 16 inches, not 8.

Great video as always. In 380 defense rounds the Hornady Critical Defense with an XTP bullet has very good performance from a typical CCW size barrel...LCP Max is a great choice for pocket carry.

@dogwalk3

Жыл бұрын

i use federal punch with a 380 EZ & it's the perfect combo for me

Hi, and greetings from Las Vegas Nevada! REALLY good job man! I really like that you talk "to" your viewers instead of talking "at" your viewers! You come off as your incredibly knowledgeable buddy giving some solid advice to a friend instead of some "gunstore counter commando", LOL... I used to carry my Glock 30sf, but as you can imagine, with the 100° plus heat in Vegas, I wear very light clothing in the summer, so I've been carrying my Ruger LCP II with two backup mags when it's hot here. Thanks for the useful info! You have a new sub here my friend! Continued success with the channel! Keep the faith and keep fighting the good fight brother! God bless and take care...

This is why I tell people to never settle for just one handgun. Every handgun I have serves a different purpose. I have a Ruger 380 and because of its small size and capacity, I sometimes take it on trips to California because its the only auto handgun I have that shoots less than 10 rds. I like it and they do make .380 Critical Duty defense rounds for it.

Fantastic video. Very informative and demonstrative

Great video I am a big fan of Carry the largest handgun you can handle (.40) , But I also preach any gun (caliber) is better than a gun at home 3 days ago I was in a suit and tie with a 380 , That's what I could " HANDLE " being dressed the way I was to conceal

@AmmoMart

2 жыл бұрын

That is so true. Some weapons will only be suitable in 3 seasons or you lose the idea of "concealed" all together. Thank you for supporting the channel and be safe.

@EducatedBlackMan

Жыл бұрын

Carrying a large caliber depends on where you live. a .40, .45 or 357 may be reasonable In a wide-open state like Texas. In a crowded east coast city, you may be hit with a reckless endangerment charge if you over-penetrate and God forbid hit a bystander.

Great video and well presented. I carry a Glock 42 when out in warm weather. Nice to see this round proven to show what it can do. For all those guys that say a 45ACP is the only one to carry,,,,,,, I don't want to get shot with a 22.lol Thanks for your review and nice shooting!

@MarkTimblinvaperman

Жыл бұрын

I got shot in the leg with a 22 long rifle hollow point. Fucking hurts like hell!

@banjohappy

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkTimblinvaperman But if you were a bad guy all drugged up it would not have stopped you from your intended crime. You'd have to take it in the eye to be stopped in your tracks.

Great review video. Im going to subscribe to your channel. You are clear, concise, and polite.

Best ballistic video I've seen gel is clear and you are clear awesome

As far as recoil, it matters a lot what gun you are shooting the .380 ACP with. My Ruger LCP Max is downright snappy, but my all-steel CZ 83 is a pleasure to shoot. Heavy is good.

I had 2 of those Sig P230 SL in 380 Cal. 1 is my everyday CC now and I traded the other in on a new Sig 229 in 40 Cal. The Sig P230 has been a great CC.

Great vids,love watching them,greetings from ireland🇮🇪

I'd never have imagined the FMJ would penetrate so much further given the 16x greater distance. Gonna have to bust out a slide rule and a math book to sort that out. Enjoyable video with solid information. Thanks!

I remember the first time I shot a Bersa thunder in 380 I was quite surprised how snappy it was. Between the thin backstrap and smaller grip I have to say it wasn't comfortable at first. As you say, training is key.

@elpepinazo7801

6 ай бұрын

I think it may be because the Bersa Thunder is a blowback pistol. I am wondering if a .380 would be smoother shooting when shot from a locked breech pistol. I had a Bersa, it was snappy.

@Larry-gn1xj

5 ай бұрын

The real pain is finding ammo for it you can afford OR find...

First time watching, great video. Used to carry a 1911 for about 35 years and always practiced shooting at 100 yards, just in case I was unlucky and got caught in an active shooting scenario and I had no choice left but to defend. Experience has shown me that even with a slow moving bullet at around 850 to 900 fps, point of aim just below center or 6 o'clock produced more hits. Now I carry a 686 with a 3" barrel and it is the same thing. Also the PMR 30 produces same results at 100 yards with point of aim below center or 6 o'clock. Bullet drop is not as significant especially if you are shooting down at target, and depending on your height, I figured it is like shooting and compensating for angle shots. No scientific data to prove my point from me , just observation and speculation. Again great video, thank you.

My every day carry is a Glock 42 .380 with Trijicon HD XR Night Sights and a 9 round ETS magazine fitted with an XGRIP for a full three-finger grip. I load the magazine with 8 rounds maximum, plus one in the chamber, to ensure 100% reliability. Ammo of choice is Underwood Extreme Penetrator 380+P. This combination has very little recoil, is very controllable and EXTREMELY accurate! I carry it 24/7 in a pocket holster and honestly it's so light and compact that I forget it's there. The best self-defense pistol is the one you never leave home without!

Sick ink! Great presentation as well!👍

Just my 2 cents but i think the 380 is a great little cartridge. I bought the wife a s&w 380ez. That thing is great to shoot! I will probably get myself one soon. With decent ammo it will definitely get the job done. It's quick back on target making a second round possible if needed. The only negative is the extra cost for ammo because it's not as popular as other rounds.

@kenpeters9807

Жыл бұрын

I understand! My wife got a P238 a few years back. Then I got one a few months later. We love ‘em.