TO GET YOUR PRINTED MIX OUT OF PRO TOOLS; You need to “Export Region” (Shift Command K in Mac) FOR SOLOING TRACKS: CMD/CNTRL click on the MIX BUSS to put it in solo safe mode. That way you can still hear tracks when you solo them. You can also put your buss effects in solo safe mode.

@iamthereforeimustbe

Жыл бұрын

I really like the idea of having all versions within Pro Tools, but I don't have “Export Region” under File/Export. The options I have don't allow export as mp3. Do I have to bounce for mp3?

@tootory9506

Жыл бұрын

Do you mean export clip as file to get your mix out of ProTools ? Then you can choose MP3 or full wav

@dand6450

11 ай бұрын

I swore you gonna show me how to get that print mix out pro tools

Not saying printing isn’t the way to go but the “quality” argument is completely false. Countless null tests have been done by other channels, and by myself, and they null 100% of the time. So you may want to take that out of your list of positives when discussing benefits to printing.

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

That should be the way it works in theory, and it is the way it works with most plugins, but as I stated in the video I've had experiences with certain plugins where they don't print correctly when I use Bounce Mix. Also, for some reason whenever I've done a lot of side chaining, Bounce Mix messes up the timing of the pumping effect. Both of these issues cause mixes that certainty do no null with a real time print.

@mstr.alexandre2709

2 жыл бұрын

I think the sidechain may be a delay compensation issue, pro tools has always been weird about features like this only being in their HDX/ultimate versions. Not so much a plugin problem but just pro tools going "lol eff your plugin delay I'm bouncing". Not sure if its different in the new editions they just made but thats likely why your sidechains get weird.

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

@@mstr.alexandre2709 Yes, I think that’s correct. 😊

@gmichaelhall

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, if you have plugins compromising your attempts to bounce file or print, the most professional solution would be to identify the plugins and not use them. As for your other assertions, they are mostly just preferable practices, they are not necessarily or certainly better. This video would do more good in asking for solutions rather asserting practices as better, ime. Best of luck to you.

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

@@gmichaelhall It’s definitely better for me and so many people that watched this video were not even aware that this was an option. I come from the day of analog consoles and hardware inserts. Back then, printing was the only option. I’m happy to share this option with the younger generation so at least they know about it. Thanks for your comment! 😊

Proving the “quality” difference is quite simple. Spoilers - There is no difference. But there are circumstances under which bounces will differ. Bouncing to tracks is great in some circumstances - but what about when you want a bounce that isn’t in the native sample rate? Knowing the tools is one thing - understanding them is something else entirely. Listeners should read/study up further on topics discussed.

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment! Yes, I agree that we should all continue to learn about this subject, especially with plugins that all function a little differently and new updates coming out constantly, but so many people are not even aware that printing inside the session is even an option. I’ve gotten so many positive comment from people telling me as much and thanking me for showing them a different way. For me printing the mix inside the session is a much better option for all the reasons that I discuss in the video. I actually appreciate bounce mix though, just not for final mixes/masters. 😊

@joeblow1229

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComposerDanielWillett I agree. It’s the same as exporting a track vs bouncing it out… it sounds different, period.

@martins1254

2 жыл бұрын

@@joeblow1229 If you print the Master or bounce the Master its the same, the only advantage of printing its that you can hear whats going on.

@joeblow1229

2 жыл бұрын

@@martins1254 it’s not… try it for yourself. Bouncing a track through the master buss vs exporting a track is different. Digital summing has a sound, period. Not saying it’s bad or good or whatever, but it does. See for yourself.

@martins1254

2 жыл бұрын

@@joeblow1229 BS Period. Theres no export track in pro tools, you can export a clip.

Thanks for this, despite what everyone says, I always wondered why my bounces sounded so weird when listened to away from the project session. I check both one time and noticed massive phase issues and other shit when played together. I printed a track and checked, no phase issues no weird changes, no changes in the wave form or transients either. I get why they do a live print over bouncing. It can be for numerous reasons why a bounce changes the mix, but im glad printing fixes this issue.

There's no added organizational benefit compared to the "Import after bounce" function in the bounce dialog. Unchecking "Offline" does a real-time bounce with no controls (apart from cancel) available during playback (which you probably don't need or want anyway while printing). I don't really agree with the wording "printing in Pro Tools" because everything described is happening in Pro Tools regardless of which method you use to bounce the mix

Great video. Thanks

Printing can come in handy for using the better parts from 2 or more different mixes. 25+ years ago we did it all the time w/1/2" tape. It was painful but a lot easier than a recall on an SSL 4000!

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

I remember those days! Thank God for Pro Tools! 😊

This was mad helpful! New perspective was enlightening!

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! I'm so glad that it was helpful. :)

Thanx for the video. Good tips & info! 😉

I just learned something. Thanks!! 😊

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

Your welcome Bri! 😊👍🏼

Thank you for this tutorial 🙏🏽 it was really helpful

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

I’m glad that it was helpful! 💥

Been printing my mix back into my session as an audio track for years.

I have always hated bounce to disk, and it is funny, I stopped looking for a better way years ago. Now here you are. Thank you.

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

Im glad that this was helpful. Thanks!

Very interesting, great video, thank you. :)

I used to do this when I was doing music, but not anymore since I’m doing hour and a half long podcasts for personal projects and I don’t want to sit through the entire print lol Good video btw!

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I totally get that. I would do the same. 😊👍🏼

For those who’ve been saying you can’t hear audio while Pro Tools bounces, that’s not the case if you enable real time bouncing. With that feature, you can hear it fine while it bounces down at normal playback speed. I’d be interested to know whether the reported plugin issues occurred during real time bouncing. As for me, I’ve never encountered that problem in a real time bounce.

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

I’ve never tried that, but I suspect that would solve the problem. Thanks for your comment!

@millyoneyedeaz1350

Жыл бұрын

Could be plugin or most likely latency issues. Plus the option to ignore click and pops (errors) may be set to on. I had that issue a while back from setting that and didn't realize buffer,etc. issues until I was bouncing and it would crash when I turned it off, letting me know I had to fix the issues in the session, otherwise the bounce would never complete. Those issues are gonna be there whether its a print or bounce, especially if hardware is being used.

@kotaonnamix

Жыл бұрын

It’s the offline selection that either allows the song to play during bounce or not

When printing, don't forget to bypass the heat plugin on the track if this one is activated.

Thanks man!

This is a cool video. I like trying to understand why flows like this are used. When you mentioned mastering, your workflow here made more sense to me. Bouncing will always be an appropriate tool for the appropriate project--BI cues for TV, as an example.

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Nate! 💥

That's the way to go except that if you stay in the same PT session for all your mix versions, you have no way to go back to a previous version session. Instead I do save as for each version of my mixes which I think is more flexible.

@nickloss2377

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure why you wouldn't have any of the previous changes/versions in the session. they would still be there.. all the changes on the individual tracks are not destroyed in a non-linear DAW. the method this guy is showing is what we used to do a long time ago to save computing power..and for comping-- someone commented they used it when tape was used... honestly, he hasn't really shown any advantage to doing this nowadays.. everything he says can be done using bounce. you can bounce different mixes and if you really want to, you can import them into Pro Tools to compare their waveforms. but he's advocating using eyes to compare mixes. as an audio engineer, one should be advocating using your ears not comparing visual representations of the audio... plus he hasn't really done anything to get the track out of pro tools.. it's still stuck in a project. is he going to export it is he going to bounce that individual track? bounce has advantages that his method does not take into account.. sample rate conversions, file type, meta data.. these are all why you would want to use bounce. I've never experienced a situation he described in which his plugins were not being properly represented with bounce.. if that ever happened to me, I would be livid at avid..so I can understand his argument on that point even if I can't relate.

@isaacjohnklein

Жыл бұрын

Playlisting is your friend....

@capionthegreat4582

9 ай бұрын

@@nickloss2377very well written and I agree!I remember when there was no offline bounce option in pro tools and that was a headache when trying to be efficient.

Great video! Liked and subbed ✅

liked the video and explanation of the process was good. would have liked to see how you then get that that print out of pt. presuming you don't use bounce to mix of that track but rather export the audio from the audio list on the right?

You did't explain how to access that printed file, but I would imagine that you consolodate it after you cut off the extra space at the beginning and end, and then locate it in your audio files folder. Would this do anything to improve the depth of the sound field like they say analong summing does?

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

After you print it, you need to export the audio file to your desired location on your hard drive. Go to (FILE - EXPORT AUDIO) As far as improving the depth of field, no it doesn’t do that.

i'm doing mainly tv-post work and Bounce Mix is such a great time saver… my sessions right from the start are set up as you did it (mixing into an aux instead of a master fader), with a master just as a volume fader (and for any tools like SoundID Ref or perhaps Waves NX stuff). when i'm finished with a mix all i have to do is to change the output of my mix aux to whatever unused bus and use bounce mix… then i just import the audio file back in to the session and set the input of the track to my mix aux, too. this way i can also have multiple versions of the mix on different playlists etc., and i can also go to some section where i want to change something and just record that little section onto the track with my master. it's all there, very organized and easy to find (if you please name your tracks before recording onto them… nobody needs files named Audio_01 in their sessions, i'd say…). when i'm happy with any changes i made etc., then i just consolidate everything and the Cmd-Shift-K to export the final thing. (my habit is also naming the "master" audio track to "xxx NameOfTheTrack" so i can just search for any unused files named xxx blablabla and delete them).

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment! I think it will help certain people that are using Pro Tools in a similar way. If I were in your shoes, I would do it that exact same thing. I actually prefer printing, mostly just because of the issues I’ve had with side-chaining going wrong during bounce mix. I’m sure they will fix this at some point and then maybe I will change my stubborn ways. 😆

@brusecco

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComposerDanielWillett yeah, i get your point with the side-chaining stuff and some plugins doing funky stuff… and of course when you're mostly doing music, chances are you have some external audio, too, like synths or a nice hardware reverb or whatever… and then bounce mix has nothing to offer printing to a new track won't do more easily. keep up the good work with the videos! i'm sure there are some great suggestions for everybody : ) cheers, frank.

@SMEL

9 ай бұрын

Do you bounce the print track?

@brusecco

9 ай бұрын

@@SMEL no. once i got all changes done (recorded onto the track with my initial bounce… e.g. a few seconds here and there in the middle of a 1-hour-program), or after checking for loudness compliance etc, i consolidate the the whole thing (usually from marker 1 (start) to marker 2 (end of program), rename the clip (deleting the "xxx" prefix that i mentioned, and finally export it as a new file (cmd+shift+k on a mac). i hope that's what you meant…?

@SMEL

9 ай бұрын

@@brusecco oh wow! I can see how that's different. I will have to try that! Thanks!

Thank you again ..

The stop using bounce mix video was very help and step by step, thank you! What is the best way to get your favorite mix out of protools to wav or mp3?

EXCELENT

It is a debated subject. Bounce can be tricky for 2 reasons: you don’t listen to your final product while doing the export. Some exotic plug-in you might have in your session can malfunction in bounce, specially with automation. Otherwise now bounce it pretty safe and nowadays computers can take the load of work. You gotta be sure of what you are doing with your routing with printing your mix in the same session. It is probably the trickier option for beginners.

@PavolBrezina

2 жыл бұрын

You definitely can listen whole track in Bounce mode, just unclick Offline option in bottom.

@Ritzourne

2 жыл бұрын

@@PavolBrezina sure you can, I wasn’t precise enough and was referring (in my head I admit) to bouncing with a video sync to check your final mix on the video. I wrote you don’t listen to your final product because ideally you are supposed to check it after bouncing.

@yehudalanger

2 жыл бұрын

@@PavolBrezina the whole premise of this video feels like this guy never found that box..

@pocket1684

Жыл бұрын

None of this is an issue with pro tools because I commit most of my tracks before bouncing, meaning very little CPU is being used and I have the fastest mac computer, so I'm fine w bounce to disk. I've done audio comparisons, no difference.

@millyoneyedeaz1350

Жыл бұрын

@Pocket and that's the main part. There's no audio difference because it's the same result, just done different ways. There's no separate processing going on, it's just re-recording the targeted signal, just like a bounce does. Bouncing and printing the same song back to back, bundfolded/untitled, one cannot tell the two apart.

This is all well and good for certain situations like if you only have about 20 tracks or so but it makes NO sense if you have like over 100 tracks you have to reassign to a mix buss for this kind of bounce. That would just be a nightmare

Liked the video, and was glad to see your content was better than the click-bait title. But I almost didn’t even bother checking out your channel because of your fake “stance” in the title. Now, I’ll stay tuned to see what you have to offer…but I’ve got my guard up.

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

How is it “clickbait” when I’m suggesting that people do exactly what I say in the title?

Thank you ..

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

You’re very welcome!

I have trouble to heard my panning if your technique, i export track with interleaved but i cant ear my panning from left to right. Do you know if i have to activate somethin in my settings ?

I think the sound quality difference primarily was when people were using 48 bit TDM systems.

This works well for analog summing. I prefer the offline bounce for just plain old convenience. And good meter plugins will have great history integration so you can reference your loudness specs.

I will print the mix from now on. Why I decided to change it? For me, there was some balance issue, like a kick in the track was right inside pro tools but after bouncing I had it like 0.5 db too loud and I had it in general with lower end.

I used to do this for years haha, do changes on the fly and then re-record over the change in the mix came in handy having to re-record the whole thing again when offline bounce wans a thing in protools, glad they eventually caught up with cubase by adding OB

How do you print if you are mastering and wabt to change from lets say 48KHz 24 bits to 44.1 KHz 16 bits?

This was the old way to turn all your tracks into stems, in pro tools. Haven't had to do it in cubase since they introduced faster than real time bounce. The reason we used to use this for stems, is so you don't have to real time bounce ever track individually, which would take as long as number of tracks X project length = (ain't nobody got time for that), verses all tracks at the same time for only once through the project length. Now, in modern versions of pro tools, we have faster than real time bounce. Still WAY behind cubase, but we have it. So don't waste your time printing inside the project. Also, please turn down your mix fader, you're project is peaking my guy.

Wow you are one super teacher thanks! I wonder if there is a way to print to a track offline similar to the commit function. But maybe that might mess with quality too and maybe it's better to print and wait? Also, once you have these, is there even a need anymore then to use the clip export function? Because I assume this file is already gonna be in the audiofiles folder without needing to export? I always wonder why, after some teachers are consolidating tracks, they are then teaching to do an export function them rather than just going to find them in the audiofiles folder. I wonder if renaming the region's also renames them in the audiofiles folder thereby creating new clips only for the audiofiles folder, or if it's only for in-session region designation.

Daniel, I just did my first print mix inside Pro Tools and it came out awesome! Now what do I do with it? I don't see a way to export the print mix track? Thanks

@OfficeofthePacific

Жыл бұрын

I got it... CTRL SHIFT K 👍👊🙏

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

Awesome! Congrats on your first printed mix!😊💥

I got it thank you

@sickone1679

Жыл бұрын

Yeah man it works I like more tips and stuff bro for real like that

Printing is the way to go if you are using some analog outboard OR if you want to be able to print your STEMS and mix at the same time (I have a free template for this if you are interested, although my channel is geared towards French speaking people, you can find the template in the description of my latest vid about stem printing) ... Printing can be useful for a lot of reasons but as for the quality difference, do the null test and see for yourself (you might want to disable any analog emulation before doing the test) ;) Peace

Agree!Next question :HOW ABOUT RE -RECORDING AUX TRACK (ANALOG) FOR UPBITS PURPOSE?Let s say for whaever reason you have to mix a 16 bit mixstarting tracks !Have you done that ?What are the ref for this tehnique?

@Ritzourne

2 жыл бұрын

For that purpose you can open a blank session with the adequate bit depth and sample-rate and then import tracks from your original session. All the process will be done with these new settings. I’m not sure it will bring so much value to your mix.

Interesting video!! Just curious - rather than routing all tracks to the aux input (before going to the stereo audio track), couldn’t you just set the OUTPUT of all tracks directly to the stereo audio track? And skip the aux? Or is there an added benefit to going thru an aux beforehand? Thanks!

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

With an AUX track you can route the output to a regular stereo audio track so that you can print.

@audiodemon

6 ай бұрын

You can apply mixbus fx this way before 'printing' the final mix. Mixbus compression (e.g. multiband or SSL bus compressor is popular), EQ of choice, saturation, clipping, etc. Not necessarily in that order. I set up the mixbus Aux before I start mixing. Once I have a basic balance mix (fader and panning only), I then activate my mixbus fx before I start activating fx plugins to other tracks. I then mix into the mixbus processing.

Why do content creators say, I'm going to show you how to do it 5 times before they actually do it? No, seriously?

Why I can have a diferent sound in print vs. bounce? In my case in bounce the bass and kick sounds kind of louder and they don't have any diferent plugins than others or something like that. ANY IDEAS?

Thanks for this video. I've always just bounced... luckily I have not finished my first album! Question: Why not just forward the master fader to an audio stereo track? Doesn't that achieve the same thing? Thanks

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

Your welcome! I don’t think that you can route the Master fader output to a stereo audio track.

@OfficeofthePacific

Жыл бұрын

@@ComposerDanielWillett Copy. I just always assumed you could. Gonna try this sometime. I always wondered why the mi would sound one way in the cans and then after I'd bounce it... it sounded very different. Glad I stumbled onto this video. Hopefully, I can use this to mix my new album! Thanks

@OfficeofthePacific

Жыл бұрын

@@ComposerDanielWillett Dan, you were right... you cannot do that on a master fader... apologies. I rewatched your video. No I am re-routing all of my songs for the first album. Changing everything. Even pre-fader stuff. It's taking forever. It's interesting how different things sound and how they react differently in certain situations Mix bus to master fader. Thanks again for your assistance.

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

@@OfficeofthePacific Glad to help! 😀

Hi Daniel, great video but how do you export the printed track? And what if you bounce realtime? Do you also get the same issues? All the best, P

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! To get your track out, you need to “export region” (Shift Command K) in Mac. I’ve never tried a real time bounce, that might actually fix the side chaining issues but I still like to print the mix and save them all in different playlists in the session.

@pascalmolenaar7636

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComposerDanielWillett thanks for your respons and I will sure try this out 👍👍

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

@@pascalmolenaar7636 Awesome! Glad to help!

@cary3428

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComposerDanielWillett That surprised me, Ive never done a bounce except real time.

Now what do I do if my PC is not strong enough to handle a mixsession with plenty plugins that I want to oversample? With soothe2 for example, I can choose to oversample 4x when offline, so when bouncing if I understand correctly. Is there a way to do this while printing? That would surprise me positively

Do you have to delete the Master Fader after you set up the Mix Bus track? Would it be a problem to not delete it?

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

You don’t have to, but why would you want to keep it?

Hi! One thing regarding plugins not functioning correctly. In your example you said pumper, this is the same for all timed plugins (LFO Tool, shaperbox, gatekeeper, LFO´s inside synths, Kontakt instruments with Animator and so on). This is actually caused when a plugin with a lot of latency is inserted in to the session. I had this case with Avid for years and I still get the occaitional email that they are still working on it....but nothing is fixed yet (Not even with pumper). The issue is all Avid DLY comp and not third party plugins. The best workaround is to send the track(s) with for example pumper or lfo tool to an aux track, but this is not stable every time either. What I do is that I either freeze the track or commit the track (the track with timed plugin) before latency heavy plugins are inserted to the session. To make changes to a frozen track with for example lfo tool, you first need to deactivate the latency heavy plugin(s)....make changes....freeze track....and then activate the plugin(s) that is causing the issue. Worst PT bug ever IMHO.

@whatsupn3rds832

Жыл бұрын

One more tip: Kontakt instruments that has the option to start on key input instead of sync to host will sync correctly if trigger on key is selected.

@whatsupn3rds832

Жыл бұрын

Btw, All this also apply if you are using side chain input on plugins. The timing will be messed up if the session contains plugins with a high latency. Master fader can have as much latency as you want, it will not affect the aforementioned issues.

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing that info and your experience with this issue. Great comment!

Ive been doing this for years. Not because I think it sounds better, (it doesnt) but so that I can have a final export of the mix in the session itself in case I end up deleting the file once its outside the session i can go back to the pro tools file and grab the final master again

I've used PT over 20yrs, and noticed other users doing this, but thought...why? When there's a dedicated bounce feature...had no clue that some plugins didn't play nice with the bounce feature. I guess I do have one question though...You selected and switched over to an aux track/audio track combo to print the mix, but what is the advantages of switching at the end rather than just setting this all up from the beginning and omitting that step altogether? Or is there some necessity to using a master track throughout the mix process leading up to the final print? Thanks so much!

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

There’s no reason that you have to start out with the master buss. So yes, you can do that!

so what do you do after you record it to a channel so other people can hear it after its done? how do you get it out of protools?

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

Export the audio file into a folder of your choosing.

Just a reminder, folks: You need to make sure you've changed any plugins that have offline oversampling/quality options to reflect how you want them in real-time when you do this.

I was a bit cynical when I watched this a month ago, but recently the lead vocal of my current mix keeps coming out louder than it sounds in Pro Tools when using bounce to disk. There are 3 plug -ins on the L Vox so maybe that's the issue. Going to try this and see if it helps.

@C-cheesy

Жыл бұрын

did it help?

Very useful video +1 rep

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

I’m so glad that it was helpful!

@tkmusic4094

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComposerDanielWillett how do you put the L and R tracks together outside of pro tools? Is there something i'm missing?

Thank you but I'm confused.. When I print it creates 2 mono tracks in my Audio Files folder. How do I get a single stereo file? Do you later Bounce the best printed mix to create a single file?

Yes I have done this myself when I got problem with bouncing in Pro Tools and also a good way having mixes in one place. Great Video Daniel and thanks for the reminding!

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Sverre! 😊

@SverrekJohansen

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComposerDanielWillett Thank You!

Thanks Daniel! Interesting video and subbed! In the digi001 days I had issues with the bounce function in pro tools in regards to plugins. Back then I used to print each track individually when I was happy with the tracks so I could also free up processing power. Then create a new session and import all those tracks so I could work without any plugins inserted. I would then begin mastering. I absolutely agree with your method. Nowadays converters have come a long way and printing back in, whether via external gear or plugins, degradation in sound quality is virtually non existent.

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, I remember the Digi001. I had one too! 😊

This is ridiculous, the bounce method works just fine.

@le_krock_mort_officiel

7 ай бұрын

100%😂 plus there is a way when you Bounce you Click "import after bouncing" that give you a print version just like this when your finish the Bounce with no efforts! Maybe its not the same thing but it does the same thing!

@veroneliot277

14 күн бұрын

Sorry bro but you have no ears

@j.g.195

14 күн бұрын

@@veroneliot277 I don't think so

I usually bounce the wave file and import into session option when needed.

HI,I FOLLOW YOUR INSTRUCTIONS STEP BY STEP BUT I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE PRINT, THE WAVELENGTH ARE NOT EVEN & IM ALSO GETTING SOME DISTORTION WHILE ITS PRINTING, IS THIS NORMAL? OR WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?...

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

It could be a lot of things but my main guess is something with the routing. Double check all your routing and make sure everything is going to the mix buss. If you have tracks that are bussed to aux send that are separate from the mix buss make sure those are still routed to the correct aux sends.

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...and this way you can print several mix versions all in one go. Full mix, acapella, back vox mix, instrumental, etc... Huge time saver. Cheers! S

@millyoneyedeaz1350

Жыл бұрын

Don't you still have to print those in real time?

@GDAntares

Ай бұрын

@@millyoneyedeaz1350ik this comment is a year old so you prolly know this by now but they mean you can arm multiple tracks routed into different audio tracks recording stems in one go

Just curious, why don’t you eliminate the master bus from the start and just use the stereo aux? Or can you not monitor from an aux?

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

There’s really no reason to until your ready to print your mix. I find it easier to wait until then. 😊

@CHIG5748

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComposerDanielWillett cool 👍

What's the best process for getting the final mix out of pro tools?

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

You need to “export region”. (Shift Command K in Mac)

How do you add meta data information?

How do you get the mix from PT to the client when the mix is still in PT?

@ComposerDanielWillett

5 ай бұрын

Hey Jonathan! See my pinned comment in this video! Cheers!

Hello, I have been working in the industry for years, using this method of recording the mix and I have always had problems with small clicks, even reviewing each audio clip so that not a single fade is missing. I never knew why sometimes when I do the mix it generates those clicks, and finally I chose to bounce to mix and since then it hasn't generated any type of clicks. The method does not matter and you cannot categorically say that this is the valid method and that everyone uses it at a professional level, because it is not 100% true since, as we all know, Pro Tools has its errors and is not perfect. Any method is good, bounce to mix or record the mix on another track..the two of them are totally valid at a professional level

Killer . I love the idea of having all your mixes right there in pro tools to reference. I've had the same problem with the plugins not working with the Bounce method. Thanks. Your Mix sounds great on my system.

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

So how do you get the print out of the session?

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

You need to “export region”. Shift command K, on Mac.

For some reason I’m not getting audio through my mix bus does anyone know why this may be

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

It could be a lot of things. It’s really hard to say without seeing your session. My best advice is to go back through the video and make sure that you didn’t miss a step.

instructiv video, but when im printing, i have to bounce to export and listen right ?

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

No, after you print and name the track, just export the new audio track to your desired location.

@bayardemeric5100

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComposerDanielWillett really cool tips bro

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

@@bayardemeric5100 Thanks! 😊

Can you just record straight from the master bus if you’ve already done a master bus process and want to print final master from the mixing session?

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

Pro Tools doesn’t allow you to route the master buss so you have to create an aux track.

@TnochQodesh

Жыл бұрын

@@ComposerDanielWillett okay thank you could I still capture my master process or would I have to export then re master it with a aux making it post fader for that export of the mix because the master bus plugins are post fader would that be the best way?

@TnochQodesh

Жыл бұрын

I’m going to try this and if it works your a life save because I’m getting error messages when bouncing a track it has extensive plugins I think to much for my pc and it can’t find path to bounce file when I stated the mix I added the stems instead of complying so I need my usb plugged in to mix

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

@@TnochQodesh Just create an aux send and copy your master buss plugins to the aux send.

no issues with bounce mix here, .wav or mp3, however i have seen it done your way by most producers. You also did not convert your midi to audio before mixing, what of that?

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

I hardly ever do! Sometimes I wished that I had when an instrument that I used to have doesn’t work anymore, for instance like when I updated to an M1 Mac.

How do you apply 32 times oversampling on plugins in realtime? Right.

My question is, after you print , how do you get the audio out of Pro tools? you still have to bounce i guess.

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

No, check my pinned comment.

Sometimes when I use 3rd party plugins, they don't work as well in pro tools. It's the reason I stay away from using it. Sadly, I only use it to record.

for some reason this is not working for me at all I have followed these steps to the T and when I arm my audio track to record it doesn't record anything- any help would be greatly appreciated my session is set up like this: I create groups of the different instruments accordingly so drums, bass, keys etc. I have a vca master that controls them after I get them to their right individual levels then I send them all to an aux master. I sent the master aux's to one mix then to the stereo audio input and nothing happens not sure what is going on.

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

It’s really tough to say without seeing your session. The signal flow should be as follows: Audio Track/Instrument Tracks -> Aux Track(mix buss) -> Stereo Audio Track. Then record the signal flowing through the aux track onto the stereo audio track.

@moneybagbeatz

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComposerDanielWillett ok thank you I will try that again I appreciate it

So how do I send it to my client ?

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

Export the printed audio to a chosen destination on your hard drive.

Interesting. We've done some testing in UNI when I was studying audio engineering exactly on digital offline bouncing. We've studied automation sample accuracy, convolution behaviours, plugin delay compensations and a lot of other aspects. The difference was only noticeable when null testing with non linear analogue hardware emulations, where the circuit's modelling parameters, but we all know they never output the same thing twice, nor the hardware itself. However we've tried 4 DAW's offline bouncing, namely: Pro Tools, Logic Pro X, Ableton Live and Reaper. Pro Tools came out the most accurate when it came to offline bouncing. It handled everything as expected, everything was sample accurate, plugin latency didn't cause phase issues with the test audio, than came Reaper (it produced invalid plugin response data) Ableton was totally off with sample accuracy loading from the Simpler and Sampler, Logic Pro X wasn't even able to pull down a fader automation where programmed. But I'd be very curious if different plugin manufactures (we only tested Waves, UAD and Slate plugins) can behave unexpectedly when bouncing offline. Also professionals probably use offline bouncing because of the analogue hardware inserts, analogue summing or simply bc they mix hybrid on a console. Great video though.

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

Awesome! If situations are perfect they should null, but there are reasons why sometimes they don’t. The reasons that you mentioned are valid but also I’ve had lots of issues with side chaining not working correctly when using the bounce to disk function. Thanks for sharing your experience! 💥😀

@chaosevolution

Жыл бұрын

How long ago did you test this in Logic? I've automated volume in Logic and bounced to audio just fine.

@skk6811

Жыл бұрын

​@@chaosevolution It was on Logic 10.4.5 at the time, I haven't repeated the test since. I'm talking about sample accuracy here. When you pull down a level automation from 0dB to -inf in one sample length on a sine wave it should look exactly like you've just trimmed it. Also if you're moving a multitrack record together there should be no phasing but there is, so Logic doesn't always handle audio sample accurately which is probably because it started out as a sequencer and not an audio editor. If you wanna know more about the automation bugs, here's a video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mJlmw82oZtLAcqg.html

I also notice a quality degradation when I Bounce in Logic Pro. There is less sparkle and the spatial image is flatter. Are these the degradation issues you notice? Have you heard Logic users complain about this issue and how could I try out your method in Logic?

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

I don’t really know Logic. Technically all DAWs should bounce down perfectly fine unless there’s a problematic plugin or something weirds going on.

@solfriedman2

Жыл бұрын

@@ComposerDanielWillett Did you say in your video that Bounce causes quality degradation in the mix and that Print avoids this? How does Print get around the problem and is it related to digital summing?

Good morning, I'm having trouble getting signal out while printing with hardware. I'm using a manley core with a distressor to a Apollo twin. I can hear the changes when I twist the knob but when is time to print the waves don't change. What am I doing wrong? I'm using pro tools as well.

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

Are you using the Manley core and Distressor as hardware inserts inside of Pro Tools?

@kaznielflores8473

Жыл бұрын

@@ComposerDanielWillett Yes, I routed Apollo out, Manley In, Manley out, Distressor in, distressor out, Apollo In. But they route to insert 5-6 I don't know if I'm routing it wrong or I need to use two different inserts for each one

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

@@kaznielflores8473 Yes, you need to use 2 separate mono inserts.

@kaznielflores8473

Жыл бұрын

So then route Out Apollo, In manley Out Manley in Apollo then use another channel for same route for distressor and input 2 on the Apollo ?

@kaznielflores8473

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate your patience, it's just been stressful getting this done

Hi, just a question first, you speak about the Bounce function, but do not says if you are using real time bounce or Offline. Then an experience of mine, I have been able to prove technically three-four years ago, that certain plugins do not behave exactly the same between the two modes ! (and I confirm that some Sidechain busses acted weird Offline, but this is solved now (2022.6) : I even enquired to a well known company about an EQ plugin that clearly had a weird behaviour on the first milliseconds of the first region in a track when in offline mode (Waveform seemed very strange). And guess what, they told me they were conscious of the fact and that it would be solved in future versions. That took years to come because obviously developing new plugins is priority for many small companies. That really sent a chill in my back, as I was right in the middle of an album. I proceded to rebounce everything in real time, and since then everything seems ok. As to practical issues, I use Wavelab 11 montage windows to mange mixes in a project so I don't need the mix inside my session, unless I am modifying something

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience! I was referring to offline bounce having issues. Real time bounce may have solved my issues but if I’m going to do a real time bounce I may as well just print the mix in my session. Many of us have experienced what you have experienced with certain plugins. I’ve had a few people tell me that there’s no difference and that bounce and print will null every time. This is only true if your using certain plugins. Thanks for your comment!

@perhoier2881

Жыл бұрын

There are certain plugins who offer different quality for offline bouncing. An example is a classic like U-He Diva Synthesizer, where the purpose is to offer higher quality in mixdown vs. lower quality/more CPU headroom during tracking. It might helpful reading manuals to understand this phenomenon. Most often you'll find that you can disable this 'option' or set it to the same processing quality for each processing method. Generally speaking there is no difference in offline/online bounce as it is exact the same process at the end of the day, unless there are either situations like the above mentioned, or there are bugs in the software involved. This does not take into consideration that there can be sonically and/or measurable differences from one bounce/mixdown to another, when using plugins that model analog or other 'random' behaviour. But this wont make a difference to whether you print realtime or 'Bounce Mix' offline (or online). It's the same thing going on. 😀

@markhaliday

Жыл бұрын

@@perhoier2881 There are technical issues it seems with some plugins that don't behave exactly the same for some bizarre reasons

@perhoier2881

Жыл бұрын

@@markhaliday There's always technical issues with software, and when there's an aspect a given piece of software need to take into consideration, the option of failure exists. (That might be the case for certain plugins. I'm not aware of any specific examples though. So I'd think it is very rare.) An example of such an aspect is the concept of offline versus online bouncing. That information is available from the host at anytime, with the purpose for a plugin to process it's data differently in the given situation (like in my example with U-he Diva above). But besides that, all processing can be handled exactly the same. It's almost common sense in way of coding. In other words it should not be a big issue to get it right. And if done right the processing will sound exactly the same. And yes I've been a plugin developer myself years ago, if you should wonder, 'what do that guy know'. 😉

so after u have ur print track, u basically still use the bounce function in pt to get that quality out..

The other thing I'm not understanding when I follow these steps and finish the first Mix 1 - now if I want to just listen back to track and do tweaks, I can't hear any of the tracks anymore. I'm sure I'm just doing something wrong.

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

If you want to go back and mix some more you need to change your “mix” track output back to your main monitors output.

@tgoldstein

Жыл бұрын

@@ComposerDanielWillett great thanks!

Errrrr - Guys you can just bounce the mix like normal and click 'import after bounce' and you will achieve all of this without the faff and having to sit there while it records in real time 👍

So you bounce the Playlist mx? Or the versions of the ones you created?

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

If I understand your question right: After you print your mix, you export the audio file to your desired destination on your hard drive.

@stevegeorge7773

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComposerDanielWillett export the track? Otherwise it is still in the session.

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevegeorge7773 Highlight your printed mix and go to FILE -> EXPORT AUDIO…Then choose where on your hard drive that you want to send it to.

@stevegeorge7773

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComposerDanielWillett ok. I’ll experiment and see how this works. Thank you for the effort and knowledge! I suppose one could set this up as a template to use.

it's not better it's just an alternative.

@yehudalanger

2 жыл бұрын

This video is misleading.. Someone show this guy how to uncheck the "offline" box and check the "import after bounce" box and all the supposed benefits are exactly the same..

@millyoneyedeaz1350

Жыл бұрын

@@yehudalanger Exactly! they gave us more options for these situations a long time ago. Back in PT8, where you had to sit through the bounce when you didnt want to, i could just imagine his outrage lol Its fine that nobody HE knows, uses the bounce method and he prefers it better, but to say no professionals use it, is just disingenuous at best. 17 years and counting of professional experience, begs to differ with the notion

You can select all your tracks being sent to monitors in one step with a right-click menu option.

Hey I have a question, I mix hybrid and I’m experiencing latency or lag when I print. Not the whole mix but let’s say a lead vox I want to print and when I do it’s off. Do you know what I can do to fix this?

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

When you say that you mix hybrid, do you mean that your using hardware inserts on some channels?

@2inspirestarsproduction8

2 жыл бұрын

Yes hardware inserts and i calibrated the round trip of the hardware and the interface but now when I print individual tracks there off a tad. Even though I could move them to be perfect but that can get annoying lol if you know what I mean. It’s a little stressful just knowing it’s not printing how the tracks was recorded in time

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

@@2inspirestarsproduction8 Just so I understand, the hardware inserts are not printing in time with the other tracks or the non hardware insert tracks are not printing in time?

@2inspirestarsproduction8

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComposerDanielWillett to be honest I took the hardware inserts off because I thought it was because of the hardware but both aren’t printing in time, the printed track would be earlier then the regular vocal recording. It’s weird.

@ComposerDanielWillett

2 жыл бұрын

@@2inspirestarsproduction8 I’ve actually ran into this problem before years ago, but I can’t remember how I fixed it or what it was. I used to use hardware inserts up until 5 years ago. Give me a minute to try and remember.

how could you have a copy of your work if you do not bounce it?

How do you get the printed mix out of pro tools

@ComposerDanielWillett

Жыл бұрын

You need to “export region”. Shift Command K on Mac.

And how is this different to Bounce to Mix? This is just print mix in project that anyone should do. Your name of video suggest that there is something wrong with audio quality of Bounce to mix function.

@boyonahill9717

2 жыл бұрын

I have several cases where some plugins don’t work in bounce and yet they work fine when playing in Protools. This method of printing stops that happening.

@PavolBrezina

2 жыл бұрын

@@boyonahill9717 Bounding offline is same as playing in Pro Tools.

@nicolasstrawberry4148

2 жыл бұрын

@@boyonahill9717 In some case its better when printing to uncheck bounce offline, especially when using outboard gear in realtime.

You know you can select all tracks routed to monitors in one step? You know you can create a mix bus and track in one step? To say Stop Using Bounce Mix is just silly.

@heyiplaybassguitar

Жыл бұрын

How can you select all tracks routed to the monitors in one step? Cheers!

@geofflee6295

Жыл бұрын

@@heyiplaybassguitar From the manual... Pro Tools lets you select or show tracks based on the track input or output assignment, send assign- ment, or hardware insert assignment. This can be useful for quickly identifying all tracks that use a specific input, internal bus, output bus, or hard- ware insert. Right-click the assignment selector and choose from the following options: Select Assignments To This option selects all tracks that use a specific input, internal bus, output bus, or hardware insert. etc

Most pro engineers are analog summing their busses so they need to print their final mix like this

I understand the idea, but you cannot do any master fader moves because Aux inserts are pre fader and master fader inserts are post fader. Plug ins will behave differently and it will sound different. Create a Print track, send master fader output to Print track, monitor print tracks. Will save a bunch of time re-routing multiple tracks and only have to change the Master bus to monitor when you want to make adjustments.

Sorry but this is not true, ProTools automation does not behave 1:1 exactly the same on realtime playback, BUT the bounce function does have identical automation performance every time. This was an issue before PT9 or 10 I believe but since then they fixed it so that the bounce function has 100% repeatable automation

No, you can't tell me what to do! 😂 I like bouncing out to master in WaveLab. There is zero difference in null tests between these two methods.