Trying to get blood out of a stone. Asking him the same question several times and get absolute rubbish repeatedly.

They wouldn't be a rip off if the tories hadn't hiked tuition fees by over 300%.

@agneskrzy803

10 ай бұрын

Amen

@Shadowking-oz5tb

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, all happening under the tories, a totally woeful 'govt'.

@takunn151

10 ай бұрын

Disagree they won’t be a rip off to the student but they will be a rip off to the taxpayer.

@agneskrzy803

10 ай бұрын

Well that’s another thing…. University tuition fee should be much lower to start with. Where all this money is going ?

@DavoInMelbourne

10 ай бұрын

@@agneskrzy803wealthy people’s bank accounts, silly

Guess studying 7 years to become a junior Dr on only £14/hour could be considered "micky mouse" as well then .

@bigtombowski

10 ай бұрын

Another 7 years after that, what hourly pay?

@bigtombowski

10 ай бұрын

Medicine is a 5 Yr course

@user-vg1nc7gx8u

10 ай бұрын

Are you a junior doc ?

@ThiefOfNavarre

10 ай бұрын

​@@bigtombowski£36.75 an hour. Average of £86k a year

@user-ri5jz5dk9p

10 ай бұрын

I guess the two years of Foundation Programme training are being included: 5 plus 2 years

No answer, he is skirting around saying which degrees. Can you imagine what he wants for tea 😢 after asking? His wife must be chuffed to bits when he gets home from work

@WarshMeh

10 ай бұрын

What do you want to eat? Says wife. "All I am saying is that I need a soft palatable meal that is tasty and satisfying" but what!? " I'm answering your question, we should find something I can consume so I can be satisfied" give me an example of what you want to eat!? "Your asking the wrong question...."

@gosskamperis2016

10 ай бұрын

If i were to invest say ................... £36K in four year degree £40K in living expenses £80K income foregone in a minimum wage job .......................... I'd want a realistic chance to earn way above the national average income. What do you think?

@WarshMeh

10 ай бұрын

@@gosskamperis2016 so the government wants to push high earner jobs that benefit the return. By enabling a job scheme vocational or caps on women studies in comparison to a stem field.

@woodenseagull1899

10 ай бұрын

Work takes up a third of one's life. To embrace life fully : Work can be enjoyable, as well as earning a living . That is why I am still working as a Carpenter over the last 60 + years...

@gosskamperis2016

10 ай бұрын

@@woodenseagull1899 I agree. I've always loved my job. As a non-graduate, I'm an anomaly in my profession but I wiped the floor with many who were graduates.

Maybe stop any courses that give us more MP,s.

@WarshMeh

10 ай бұрын

Excellence. A career politician dictating what's valuable to the general public.

Where is the answer???

@WarshMeh

10 ай бұрын

5:54

So they’re going to analyse every course at every uni, and then every job that every graduating student takes for their entire careers to make this policy work!? Riiiiigggghhht🤦‍♂️

@craigmalcom6294

10 ай бұрын

Yes lol

@jujutrini8412

10 ай бұрын

How dare you be sceptical. 😂😂😂😂

@Mustafa-vz5kx

10 ай бұрын

Plenty of data is already available

@matthewleitch1

10 ай бұрын

Students, if they are sensible, already use the published data to evaluate courses. Researchers have also done it. We know there are courses that are not worth doing and the reasons are easily understood. Usually it is because they teach frivolous content (e.g. fine art) and admit students with low ability onto the course.

@garrywillliams

10 ай бұрын

@@matthewleitch1 Then they came for the Actors And I did not speak out Because I am not an Actor (Shhhhh!) "Degenerate art (German: Entartete Kunst) was a term adopted in the 1920s by the Nazi Party in Germany to describe modern art. During the dictatorship of Adolf Hitler, German modernist art, including many works of internationally renowned artists, was removed from state-owned museums and banned in Nazi Germany on the grounds that such art was an "insult to German feeling", un-German, Freemasonic, Jewish, or Communist in nature. Those identified as degenerate artists were subjected to sanctions that included being dismissed from teaching positions, being forbidden to exhibit or to sell their art, and in some cases being forbidden to produce art."

He is not answering the questions!!! My son earns £45000 per year and doesn't have a degree...he is a tradesman. Bring back the polytechnics!

I suspect the real reason that the government are getting somewhat twitchy about this, is not coming from a genuine concern for the welfare of students, but is really the failure rate for graduates not reaching the necessary earnings threshold to repay their student loans. Remember that the financial sector are major sponsors of politics and they've been lobbying for this system of loans, because they view them as just another potential financial product that can be bundled up and sold on as gilt edged securities, based purely on the fact that they managed to get these debts "guaranteed", by making them exempt from bankruptcy, in the sense that you cannot escape repaying them by going bankrupt, so in theory you have to honour the debt. However, there's one fatal flaw, which is the earnings threshold, because this hair brained scheme is reliant on the assumption that gaining a degree will deliver higher earnings, and it is becoming painfully clear that, for an increasing number of students, this just isn't happening, which is mostly down to the job market being hopelessly awash with graduates (who'd have thought that turning universities into competitive businesses would result in that?), and If you thought the sub prime mortgage crash of 2008 was bad, well just wait and see how much money is tied up in this nonsense...

@matthewleitch1

10 ай бұрын

The government announcement page explains that it is also concern for society as a whole, whose resources are wasted on education that is not worthwhile. It's not just students who are 'ripped off'. It is also society that is ripped off when students do these courses.

@trockfield4593

10 ай бұрын

@@cinnamondonkey2397 Why shouldn't they 'game the system'? It's manifestly unfair. And why are you so concerned about students failing to pay back a few grand, when there are wealthy tax avoiders who owe billions to the UK treasury?! The student loan system is purely ideological, it's got nothing to do with cost effectiveness; you do realise that the UK tax payer now pays MORE to fund university education than when it was 'free' - and will continure to do so for a very long time!

@trockfield4593

10 ай бұрын

That's a big part of it, yes.

@matthewleitch1

10 ай бұрын

@@trockfield4593 They shouldn't game the system because they are exploiting the generosity of society as a whole -- everyone else. We pay through taxes or through getting less in the way of public services when someone takes without doing their fair share of the work needed for our society.

Im now 83. In the 50s I completed a 5 year apprenticeship as a jig and tool maker which included 1 day a week at technical college for a City and Guilds certificate. Many years later I found myself being interviewed in Rome for a post with FAO (UN) position in Ethiopia seting up a facility for developing specialised agricultural equipment. I should say previously I had spen 3,years in Nigeria and 3 years ,Zambia on similar work. During the interview in Rome one official asked: Why are we employing this man, he does not have a university degree?. To which another gentleman replayed. "We want somone who can do the job, not just talk about it!"

@trockfield4593

10 ай бұрын

But maybe if you'd done a university degree and learned how to think critically, you might have been better equipped to make a relevant contribution to this discussion?

@garrywillliams

10 ай бұрын

One of the first things I learned in kindergarden was that contributing rudeness to any discussion only ever leads to bad outcomes.

The last elected PM studied classics and Latin. Two subjects that are possibly the most useless courses possible. Didn't stop him being PM though.

@shyhistorian

10 ай бұрын

But he went to Oxford though.

@paulfitzpatrick3090

10 ай бұрын

So would you prefer a PM with a GSCE in metal work?

@mrwendell3463

10 ай бұрын

​@@paulfitzpatrick3090maybe a degree in Ethics would be good.

@richardmills2429

10 ай бұрын

And the history degree obtained by Jacob Rees -Mogg - 'useless' degrees by the Prime Ministers reckoning. Eton may come into it? Mr Halton repeating the nonsense that a university education is about 'getting a good well paid job' and not education makes him patently unfit for this position.

@jamesjarrett52

10 ай бұрын

@@paulfitzpatrick3090 Might help him understand trade and industry.

So you can study those courses that a government consider useful.. mmmm …. That is so close to fascism…

He’s just giving a political answer to every question.

Robert Halfon minister of state for education the WORST REPLY of ALL TIME he is on a different PLANET. AREAL PRAT

Just publish the full list of degrees and universities that are rip-offs.

@trockfield4593

10 ай бұрын

Define 'rip-off'?

@trockfield4593

10 ай бұрын

@@lvega5606 Yep - similar story here (Russell Group universities versus the rest).

@leestalker8256

3 ай бұрын

@@trockfield4593 Anyone who is unemployed or on the minimum wage in the 5 years after graduation - rip off

@trockfield4593

3 ай бұрын

@@leestalker8256 Interesting that the education minister himself couldn't answer the question of which courses the government would target as 'rip-off' degrees. Nor could he define a 'good job'. The reason for that is that he knows that there is no genuine policy intent here - it's performative politics.

Well either Halfron did not benefit from his degree or Exeter University his alma mater should be defunded for its poor outcomes in not giving Halfron the skills to understand or answer some basic questions. Victorian Britain when the UK was the major power was run by people with degrees in classics.

Not hard to answer the question. Any degree where people do, but end up getting unskilled jobs, or jobs totally unrelated to their degree should be deemed a rip off degree. If someone does a degree and gets a job that requires you to have a degree, then that degree isn’t a rip off. Not hard.

@theosmith5704

10 ай бұрын

What about being an MP? You don't need a degree to be an MP but many members do? This whole 'you must have a job that matches your degree' narrative is so limiting.

@Adam-hf7hn

10 ай бұрын

@@theosmith5704 well ideally you get a job that requires you to have a degree (so that means the job doesn’t have to be related to the degree you studied) or you are doing a skilled job. If you go to uni, there is no reason you should be getting a job that anyone can apply for, even without a degree

@pritapp788

10 ай бұрын

It's an absurd logic given that even jobs not requiring degrees for their execution now state a degree as a condition to apply and be considered. That's the thing called degree inflation: when there's an over-supply of graduates on the market, employers feel entitled to demand university qualifications even for jobs where they would not be required.

This has been needed for a decade. So many courses are pointless now and getting into 40 grand of debt just isn’t worth it.

Why doesn’t he just answer the question? They have a policy but don’t know what the policy is lol

I missed the part where he answered the question

@WarshMeh

10 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@WarshMeh

10 ай бұрын

Here 5:53

This was going round in circles, but I agree with the Gentleman; doesn't take a genius to work out a Student finishes a degree for example, but could end up or fall into a Supermarket Job. The notion is that one might not necessarily need a degree if there are jobs out there that provide the potential of training and progression. You can make your way in the world without it.

@WoolybackBoy

10 ай бұрын

You're totally right, individuals should be disappointed if they end up working in a shop because they could have taken that job 3 years earlier without needing a degree and wasting lots of money. Of course, if they are working their way into management etc that's fair enough as they might reach a ceiling without a degree.

And this man is supposed to be a education minister 😭

This is a no-brainer. University isn't some gold standard - It's a waste of time for 90% of the people there. All the things I could have done if I hadn't been pissing around thinking I was on a path somewhere.

They havent got a clue, making it up as they go and is why he cannot answer the question, which courses?

Bournemouth Uni is just a rip off...I know this 1st hand. The Uni just takes money mostly for their accomodation. A course in Social Care for instance will not lead to a good salary! A history degree doesn't make a lot of sense either if you are not going to teach 😊

In the USA the rip off universities are everywhere. To get a decent BA or BS cost almost half a million dollar and with 8% interest America make sure that middle, and working class Americans always stay in debt so they can never get ahead. The education cost in the USA is out of control.

Exactly what’s wrong with the world- what can’t people just give a straight answer?! Ridiculous!

So is he blaming the students or is he blaming the degrees without answering the question. So aggravating, I watched it twice still fuddled

@matthewleitch1

10 ай бұрын

The government web page on this explains that it is both students and society who are being 'ripped off'. Some students are part of the problem because they choose low value degrees for the lifestyle and to put off having to work, knowing full well what they are doing.

The policy doesn’t make any sense. If the wages, in say healthcare sector, are stagnant, does that automatically mean universities should stop running the courses in relation to that field. Where are they going to find nurses and doctors then?

And that man is supposed to be the Minister of Education? Britain has really fallen....

Why did he agree to go on clearly, he has no idea what he is meant to be talking about. This is embarrassing

@WarshMeh

10 ай бұрын

Very cringy indeed

Agree for once, uni has been a joke for years and ripping the poorest off

They basically just want us doing STEM degrees and that’s it. There’s obviously value in STEM degrees, but there is also great value in good Humanities courses that require a high level of critical thinking and independent thought, something that is woefully lacking in society at large, not to mention the current Conservative Party. The problem is that he focuses on high earnings, and many moral jobs or those that add value to society aren’t highly paid (think nursing, teaching or conservation)It is often the worst in society who get paid the highest. They’d see the world burn if it means they getter a bigger bonus at the end of the year.

@matthewleitch1

10 ай бұрын

Nursing is a STEM subject. Most of the valued teachers teach STEM. People who do conservation need to understand the science involved. It's STEM again.

@trockfield4593

10 ай бұрын

The Conservative government doesn't want people (especially working class people) to be critical or independent thinkers - that's the whole point of the exercise.

@matthewleitch1

10 ай бұрын

@@trockfield4593 No. That's not the point of limiting low value degrees. If it was then the strategy to follow would be to limit high quality, typically STEM teaching. High quality, typically STEM degrees teach critical, independent thinking, usually better than low quality, history/languages/art degrees. If you get some history wrong you can still write your book and very likely you will never even know you were wrong. If you get some engineering wrong then the machine/system does not work. You know you are wrong. This is a major reason why sound thinking is more important in STEM than most other subjects.

@trockfield4593

10 ай бұрын

@@matthewleitch1 'Sound thinking' is not the same as critical thinking.

@matthewleitch1

10 ай бұрын

@@trockfield4593 Sound thinking, sound reasoning, reason, critical thinking, effective thinking -- all more or less the same thing: being able to reason without mistakes and spot mistakes and tricks when you see them. At least, that's how I am using the phrase. Maths vs fine art; which teaches sound thinking best? It is mathematics. A fine art course will involve some fine art history, criticism, and maybe doing some fine art. None of these requires reliable, correct thinking or the detection of errors in thinking.

As always, no real answer to the question. These Torie MP's are so proficient at "the pivot", they might as well turn away from the camera entirely; at least then we'd get some relief from watching them leave! Edit- This guy is dressed like a 1980's children's Saturday morning tv presenter 😅.

@Dirpitz

10 ай бұрын

I was waiting for him to get out his Mallet and start bonking the presenters on the head for asking the wrong questions

@bigtombowski

10 ай бұрын

​@dirpitz6157 oh God! Timmy 🎉 brings back memories

He does realise MOST degrees pay poorly once finished and that many a job wont even talk to someone unless they have a degree even if it was a "micky mouse" one.

lower tuition fees naaaaaaaaaaaaaa. reduce places yeaahhhhhhh

Bro is a wiz at avoiding answers

Did he answer a single question? And this is the guy who oversees education! 😮 Omg 😳

Having people drop out might actually mean the course requires them to work harder than they thought 😅

@matthewleitch1

10 ай бұрын

Yes. The drop out rate strongly reflects the quality of the students who start the course.

@wafflinglad

10 ай бұрын

not really. I dropped out because of how much of a scam university is.... I studied business. I thought I’m gonna learn how to run business, how businesses operate, how to do accounting etc... and I’m gonna be given lectures by atleast 2 big CEO’s a year. but no. Nothing! They teach absolutely nothing! and the teachers don’t give a shit about the students. if you ask them for help, they get all salty and shit.

What is wrong with this man they are interviewing! Why is he being so avoidant?

I hate the Tories but they are right to try and limit and reduce and remove degree courses that don't lead to valuable jobs.He hasn't got the detail on this policy, but the idea is correct. One way to solve this is to ensure that every degree course must have a work placement for 6 months.That will make it easier for graduates to have some experience on top of their academic record. We need fewer universities and we need apprentice degrees that are funded to the same level as traditional degrees.Almoar every school leaver or graduate in Germany has access to a high quality paid apprenticeship or academia degree with an internship.

This is just made to target the creative sector a sector where there are less jobs because the Government didn't bother to support the industry.

The interviewers must be thick, the government minister cannot name any degree course (that's will be looked into by the regulator) he can't smear any university or course. There are useless courses out there that take advantage of students.

Do not think this minister knows what he is talking about in regards to this policy???

By the nature of universities. Those with dyscalculia are blocked due to the marth grade requirements. This should be illegal for those who have been diagnosed. Let be very clear. In today's education system, Albert Einstein, who needed help with his maths, probably would be barred from going to university nowadays. People with dyscalculia tend to be very fast learner, smart folks who just need a little help with maths. In a work place it would been seen as a legal requirement; a reasonable adjustment. We do have calculators today. This is the one issue that makes me so angry. This is discrimination that's unjustifiable, because their reasons don't hold up to what we know about dyscalculia.

It seems like they roll out a new minister for each interview--- have never heard or seen this man ever!!!!!!!! How can someone who is practically invisible have a pivotal role in people's education???????

This man is waffling so hard

if 50 percent or more don't get a job within 24 months that enables them to pay the loan back I would deem that course worthless.

The Government should focus on the many ‘private’ Higher Education providers who deliver ‘easy’ degrees on behalf of established Universities. They are only in it to make money via the UK loan system and sell these degrees to anyone who can access a UK HE loan. It’s like a cattle market.

@lvega5606

10 ай бұрын

I thought these degree mills were only to be found in the US. It's sad to hear they exist in the UK as well. If someone with a degree from one of these places applies for a job at the firm I work at, they're not going to get a second look. It's likely not going to make it through the CV filtering system.

All builders, plumbers, joiners electricians etc can not get apprentices. As a top band 6 nurse a plumber has more than twice my hourly rate. Go figure

Although it was a bit annoying that he wouldn't answer any of the questions, he understands that they're trying to trap him into saying working as a rubbish collector or shop keeper is a worthless job. And that a degree in Psychology is a worthless degree. He knows what they're doing.

Well thanks to the government there is an obvious overlook at reasons for degree courses with a "poor quality outcome". There are so many reasons this can be happening. If I had to list the reasons then we would be here all day. I am fairly certain others can say the same as well!

@matthewleitch1

10 ай бұрын

The two most important reasons are (1) teaching content that is not very useful -- the sort of thing people should really just do as a hobby, such as fine art, history, English literature, and (2) accepting students whose ability is low, and who are more likely to drop out, get a poor result if they reach the end, and then struggle to find employment. Those are the big ones.

If someone is unemployed at any point in 5 years after graduating the degree should be axed. I must have cost the NHS at least 40K because of my student loan.

I think the minister was very clear. He said that ALL degrees would be assessed at ALL universities and would look at the outcomes after 15 months of completing the course. That includes Law @ Cambridge and Media Studies at Brighton. He can't give an example because the assessment hasn't been carried out yet. This is typical GMB trying to sensationalise the discussion and to be divisive.

@godisgreat4258

10 ай бұрын

Exactly. They're causing trouble. He was clear.

It's pretty obvious that this policy is being introduced without any notion of how it's actually going to be implemented. To do what the minister is suggesting would mean tracking the career path and salary of every graduate and mapping it against the degree course that they had taken. By what mechanism is this going to happen? He clearly has absolutely no idea.

@craigmalcom6294

10 ай бұрын

Unis already have stats on where and what jobs graduates get u cretin

@richardmills2429

10 ай бұрын

it's the weekly Sunak soundbite designed to stir up division. Halton's clueless, incoherent defence of it merely confirms that if your 'useless' degree in say Classics or History is from Oxford after Eton - this is more likely to have a good 'outcome' than if you went to a comprehensive and studied at Stoke.

6:55 Richard reaction😂😂

6:55 and pause... PRICELESS

Holidng universities accountable for teaching valuable skills and knowledge should be the motive.

We all know what the Micky Mouse courses are but you are never going to get a minister say it so stop trying. When I was doing my A levels about 10% of the population went to university now it’s closer to 50%. I’m sorry but half the population should definitely not be going to university which is why so many of them drop out. Cut down on the number of courses and make sure they are higher quality.

My friend got a degree in Egyptology but couldn't get a job so he did a PhD and got a job teaching Egyptology. He always referred to as a scam as he was just joining a pyramid scheme. Sorry not my joke but listening to this seems to be appropriate.

@sun7siren

10 ай бұрын

Any capitalist society is essentially a pyramid scheme lol.

@user-pq2nv7lt8n

10 ай бұрын

LOL It is sadly a spot on joke

Going round in circles, spoke like a politician went on for 9 minutes without answering a single question.

Prospectuses should have careers listed in the Contents pages, THEN you can see what degrees to study.

Makes complete sense

Is he saying the there are no fall outs from STEM digrees?

Totally agree with the government, after I and my husband graduated with masters and PhD degree respectively. The job we got was just ridiculous. I work as a band 2 in a health sector and hubby work in a utility company. What a joke and waste of time and money.

@jackthumberstone7935

10 ай бұрын

The problem is that they aren't telling you what course is a joke because they don't have a clue. Sorry to be rude, I find ironic you couldn't see the pure corruption. Maybe your afraid of labelling people

@richardannalise

10 ай бұрын

What were your degrees in?

@TessyDick

10 ай бұрын

Biotechnology for me and Geophysics for hubby. Both STEM courses.

I just wish an MP would answer a question !

Wow talk about dumping down. Wtf is going on in the U.K.? 🙄

Give us some examples!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The MP doesn't define a 'good' job. He hasn't a clue what he's talking about.

Basically, he is talking about degrees from ex-polytechnics and colleges of further and higher education masquerading as universities. He is also referring to the arts and humanities which have very different salary outcomes (even from those institutions in the Russell Group) to those studying STEM. And he is fundamentally right. No one should be doing admin work which requires 2 or 3 GCSE passes after a degree. A total, utter waste of time. An apprenticeship is far more useful.

I love the way the grilled this absolute teabag. This government is the reason loads of these jobs don't pay well.

What he means, is a job which makes you enough where you start paying your student debt back, which we all know is a fixed number. A "good job and earnings" is based at the individual level.

Prospective university students do not have to agree to participate in a rip-off degree. Choose wisely :-)

It shouldn't cost you double triple 5x or 10x a year salary pay off your student loan.

I spent 10 years trying to get a business degree...I ran out of patience and money to pay for tuition services. For the quality of my dollar the institution hadn't the professors to teach the courses offered. I had fun pursuing the programs though. I didn't make no new friends and noticed ppl with a degree from these universities tend to pass away sooner. Must be stress!

Timmy Mallet used to ask the questions not avoid them

Such a plan is nowhere near radical enough, there should be strict caps and entry requirements on all university courses. What do they think will happen to the value of IT and engineering degrees if they begin to supply a glut of graduates? Private sector employment will not be able to absorb these and greedy employers will use the ample supply of labour to suppress wage growth. Unfortunately, since universities now operate as businesses with an incentive to admit as many "customers" as possible to generate income, this will never happen.

Nursing degree. Not much better than minimum wage.

rubbish degree courses business administration, anything with admin in it...We need to take a step back and look at what Universities are about. We should encourage a next gen of academic thinkers and researchers, not dumb them down. We've created this problem as always. FE , HE colleges and Polys used to do the more vocational courses. UNIVERSITY should not be for everyone, it should not have the same goals as a college.

Oh, my God, journalist are very patient! What is he talking about? Zero information.

Halfon was educated at Highgate School and the University of Exeter, graduating with a BA in Politics and MA in Russian politics and Eastern European politics

@lynnhubbard844

10 ай бұрын

why isn't HE working in his field, then????????

Hasn’t every run down college everywhere been made a university now? Certainly around me.

Unless you study law, medicine, psychology, forensics, nursing degrees are worthless. My university is not interested in helping me now, they just want more students enrolled. I am one of hundreds if not thousands that have thought of suicide because of student debt.

This man sounds like he has very strong opinions about a topic he has spent absolutely no time studying. If your entire premise is “people shouldn’t pursue useless degrees” you should be able to very clearly articulate what that means. This man spent nearly 10 minutes spewing word salad.

nice discussion, Pre degree every student willed to get job in what they have done in degree to get valued job for better living etc., but, as the correspondent in this video said is partially correct like emplyement after graduation bring value to economy,less immigration workers and high standard of living with a purpose. but, getting a degree in stream and doing work in some other field of work with less wages is not meaningful.

As usual for this government it's a policy that sounds pretty reasonable as long as you only read the title, but every detail behind it is shady as hell letting them do whatever they want.

makes sense, have to be able to compete with the rest of the work

I realise he doesn't want to get caught saying something that the tv presenters are going to pounce on, but there's not much point in having politicians on if they are too scared to give a straight answer. I would suggest both sides are partly to blame.

@WarshMeh

10 ай бұрын

Exactly

Tbf , they're asking valid questions but also trying to make him look silly ! There are some terrible Universities and courses ! I've seen and experienced it . Some students are paying £1000s for absolute rubbish . The Government's intentions are noble if though the policy needs refining in details !

I think the minister was very clear that graduates getting the jobs, not whether high paying or not... people get a degree in accounting and then they are not getting the accounting job but actually driving for a uber or delivering for amazon flex...

Free (or even affordable) uni means that all jobs provide sufficient returns. Given that he couldn’t name a single actual job that isn’t ‘good’ we can assume that he thinks all jobs are.

I am fairly certain this is a sly attempt to remove opportunity of futher education from people with disadvantaged backgrounds by restricting courses with low barriers to entry. I have no stats but I imagine that courses with low grade requirements produce graduates whom will fall into this mans ambiguous "not good job" category. However, some people really come into their own at university, but would never have the chance to do so if the lower barrier to entry courses didn't exist.

@WarshMeh

10 ай бұрын

Your answer is as murky as his. Are you pointing to a disadvantaged class or defending degrees that hold no societal value?

@MrViper5822

10 ай бұрын

@@WarshMeh I am pointing to the fact it sounds like the intention is to make higher education restricted to the "elite". Compare the entry requirements for Chemistry at University of Manchester and Manchester Metropolitan University. By having lower entry requirements, MMU is able to give people a chance to improve their life whom could not possibly do so through UoM. However, I imagine the rates of graduates in the elite jobs is lower for MMU graduates than UoM graduates. Therefore MMU Chemistry could be seen as a less worthwhile course according to the minister in the interview, opening the door to further restrict entry to the course. Tighter restrictions often mean a higher barrier to entry, restricting further education to the "elite" that managed to do well at A-level. If that was the case, my 2Cs and a D at A-level wouldn't have given me the second chance at MMU where I qualified with a 1st class Mchem.

@literaltruth

10 ай бұрын

Exactly - this isn't about actually getting rid of useless degrees. Do we think pointless subjects like theology or classics at Oxbridge are on the cutting board? No, because rich people do those. What he's talking about is stopping poor and disadvantaged people from having access to subjects that don't create wealth for people of his social class. The Conservatives see the only reason to educate the lower classes as being to provide them with higher level employees for they and their chum's companies and to generate wealth for them. Tarquin Montgomery IV can spend 3 years learning about Ancient Greece and Rome, but if Dave Jenkins wants to go to university it better be to learn how to make better drones for Tarquin's daddy's arms company. This is social engineering - designed to keep poor people in their place by emphasising that if the upper classes deign to allow them to be educated, they have to justify it by how much money they're going to generate for the capitalist class.

@joemilewicz6847

10 ай бұрын

Blah blah blah “disadvantaged“ blah blah blah. Look HE is for the elite, the intellectual elite. What’s the point of a degree if everyone can get one, A levels have practically got to that point now. It doesn’t matter what background you come from if you’re intelligent enough you can go to Oxbridge so let’s not dumb down degrees any more.

@joemilewicz6847

10 ай бұрын

@@glynmellor6161 of course oxbridge is full of Rick people because they go to the best schools. The point I was trying to make is that if you are intelligent enough you are still able to go rich or poor.

Which degrees are they? Why won't he get more specific?

Basically the conservatives think too many students are coming out of university and getting paid jobs, and challenging what the Tories think. So they want to restrict university places to those from private schools

So, is it a crackdown on "Mickey Mouse Courses' or courses being taught badly? The whole thing makes no sense.

Unless you want to become a Criminologist like myself or a Biologist, Geologists, City Planner, MP example which requires a college degree, then most people could easily get in the job training instead and learn through other employees. I have spoke about this being the leading cause to a lot of young people dropping out of college and just simply not bothering afterwards. They realise the long term wage they're going to earn are garbage and not worth it. Fair play to them I also refuse to work or study for long term hardship. Some don't like it, I don't give a monkeys what others like i'm responsible for my future outcome. If i'm not earning at the least £50+K a year not interested and won't do something I don't like and doesn't benefit me or my daughters in 30 years time.

@HA-nj1qt

10 ай бұрын

Because most of those jobs that could be taught through an apprenticeship instead require a degree. More and more jobs require a degree for simple entry level jobs.

Simple equation: any degree course, any subject and their tuition fees vs the income / average salary made as a result of that particular degree. Not hard.

He is not clever and a Tory, must have failed one of those courses that gets you a crap job

degree apprenticeships seem really promising, i think that could be the future.

I bet the MP wished he had never turned up