since the unwanted HE nerf, hull down meta became unbearable

@raha2545

Жыл бұрын

I think releasing tanks without weakpoints is the real factor causing the whole hulldown meta, people are now just staring at others aiming at pixels of weakpoint and pray for rng.

@eclairamisu2517

Жыл бұрын

@@raha2545 It's the bigger reason but pre-nerf HE at least gave players the ability to chip away at hulldown heavily-armored targets. Nowadays I can choose to do 10-40dmg against good turrets with >120mm guns or something like 0-120dmg with >140mm arty guns. It feels useless to try.

@maksmaso4741

Жыл бұрын

@@raha2545 yeah, but when WG releases a tank with good turret but big weakpoint on top, the comunity cries and calls it totaly useless tank...

@g.d.graham2446

Жыл бұрын

Essentially

@BaldEagle777

Жыл бұрын

@@maksmaso4741 IKR for real they are never happy if a OP tank gets released with no weak point they complain and if WG release a balanced tank with a weak point they complain and call it worthless and useless smh what do they want??? They keep blaming WG but it's the people who are toxic nothing makes them happy I feel bad for WG sometimes with such an ungrateful and insufferable community they have smh Weird thing is to is that according to their poll it showed actually MORE people somehow voted for YES to nerf HE which seems odd to me when Most people hate it and complain about it when fighting OP tanks which I think it didn't need aswell but it must have been the OP hull down tank spammers who voted for the HE nerfs cause they got mad they couldn't be 100% invincible on a ridge line with tier 10 TDs firing HE or even some heavies like 60TP

Enjoy games without arty much more than with it, even against hull down tanks. It makes players realise that they need to flank instead of clashing head-on plus you can relax a little bit more when you are spotted.

@kroniid2551

Жыл бұрын

Can't flank on all the corridor maps tho

Emil II was insane to play at tier 9 :)

Props for the object 704 for actually noticing the hellcats ruse and trying to attrack he actually had a good chance but unfortunately QB was already too far back.

I agree about the Arty issue. Having 1-2 per game would help a lot at the high tier with dislodging the hulldown tanks, or at least whittle them away making a push less risky. I do wonder why WG thing going with this meta is a good idea overall? Is it to push premium vehicles? Games are still going to be boring if everyone ends up in hulldown tanks.

@social3ngin33rin

Жыл бұрын

Armor meta exists only to encourage players to spam gold or lose.

@Daktangle

Жыл бұрын

@@social3ngin33rin Yeah, I forgot that bit. Shame they can't focus on making the game fun.

@CrazyPanda688

Жыл бұрын

No. Arty isn’t needed Wargaming created this mess by nerfing high explosive rounds which were counters before to tanks like the chieftain and Kranvagn Undo the high explosive changes and the game would be fine. You’d actually take damage from tanks shooting HE. Artillery is just a cancerous mechanic that isn’t needed in the game because it takes no skill

@sillysausage4549

Жыл бұрын

@@CrazyPanda688 indeed. 99% of players despise artillery and want slower games, whatever QB thinks. And yes, the HE nerf was ridiculous and only happened because mouthy influencers like Dakikzor bitched about it.

@bobbyspain905

Жыл бұрын

@@CrazyPanda688 Both changes happened because people where complaining about both being to strong.QB complained about that.They got what they wanted and see the game kinda sucks they want to change it back to the same or maybe something a little less make up your minds.😅

So well played I enjoy these videos.

For me i get Arty almost every single game and as some one who plays a tone of Concept 1b i notice due to Arty being one of my largest counters.... I had 3 Artys back to back to back for one gaming session this week...

@panzerkampfwagenviausf.b2236

Жыл бұрын

good. i rather have artillery putting pressure on the enemy concept 1b or new chieftain instead of them tryingto hit a meme by 1 shoting the enemy ELC even 90 being already chased by a bourrasque

Well played bro using a great turret depression makes it easy to finish the enemy

Absolutely loved the starwars reference. Pure gold

I still love playing the kran and averaging 3K dmg a round is still decent. It's not the 5K from before the nerf, but that was indeed a bit to OP

Good to see more qb gameplay these days

QB I love your videoes, and I know how you feel about arty, but FV304 is a diffrent beast, I know you eat a sandwitch when you play arty but you cant do that in the fast moving short range FV304 you have to move, just behind the hvw and way in front of tds

I have mostly been in tier 6-9 matches on the US server, and I almost always have two artillery per team in my games.

QB I feel like you made a slight misplay at 10:08 vs. the Obj 704 (Minor Spoiler Alert). After the TD takes a shot at you, you have 15-16 seconds until he is able to fire again. You need 8s to get into position and 2s more to fire the first shot and another 3s for the second shot. Given that you had no chance of taking out the Object, he in turn would've been able to position more aggressively close to the castle wall to one-shot you before you had a chance to completely get behind cover. He would've needed some luck but the risk was there. At that point the Super Hellcat would've been utterly outclassed vs. the heavy armor of the E-75 and the one-shot potential of the Obj 704 gun. Not saying it was a huge misplay but I think you underestimated how important it was for you to survive that engagement right there.

Have you guys actually ever penetrated the SMV in the mantlet? It is supposed to have weak armor but at least when I meet them in the battlefield I can't pen that so it seems like a bug. I haven't bothered to go to a training room and properly test it yet though.

@IronCladNerd

Жыл бұрын

I have but not when I expected it..

@StanleyMilgramm

Жыл бұрын

@@IronCladNerd Hmm that seems weird. I'm using the battle hits mod and using that I have already verified that I have bounced from the mantlet around 15 times, which is not possible if the armor model is correct.

Watched this game on stream, it was great!

Took me forever to grind out the Kran so I was really mad when they NERFED it!

I really like outpost it’s a really good map. I almost got my first kolobanovs medal I my senlac a couple week’s ago

Finally a streamer making a case FOR arty. They are in the game for a reason. This hull down shit is just ass..

I just recently started playing old and bad T8 premiums just to spice it up and have fun... tbh I don't just find it fun when all I do is sit somewhere with OP hulldown bs tank... so I recently marked Mutz and now I am marking Pilot

Tier 7 and 8 Italian td's have a 7 second intra clip reload. That's probably why he backed off

Great game QB nice

I’m not sure if bringing arty back is the best solution. For awhile arty was just chasing damage and shooting at a single, two tiers down tank because it was free damage. Many times I would be targeted in a slow tier 8 while the tier 10s slugged it out in a hull down mess.

@larryselkirk426

Жыл бұрын

Kobe Davis: You can find damage chasers in any vehicle type. It's not just SPGs. But in my experience there are far more damage chasers in Mediums and Lights than there are in SPGs.

Every single game where i play Sconq or Kran there are 3 artys every single game its crazy

Can you do a new video about the AMX ELC bis?

The polish chat at the start xdddd

Is that a new map? Haven’t played this game for a while so i can’t remember if i’ve seen it already

They need 60TP's firing HE like they used to. Maus HE was great too. They didn't have to nerf these tanks the just had to revert HE changes lol.

@karlbradish6486

Жыл бұрын

Nope no skill to just auto aim and do 3-500 damage. The he system far better now

@glatcherfox

Жыл бұрын

@@karlbradish6486 they removed it to make you spam more gold ammo so did you mean that its worse?

@karlbradish6486

Жыл бұрын

@@glatcherfox most gold won't touch emil and krans turret you have to go for the weak spots ontop or don't fight them and reposition to somewhere you have a better angle on them or ultimately don't try and fight something in its strongest area

@glatcherfox

Жыл бұрын

@@karlbradish6486 yea and still you have more chance of penning the Emil if you have gold so it does not matter. The game is Littreally Just a money farm for WG rn

@PowerOutageGootraxian

Жыл бұрын

@@karlbradish6486 HE is brainless but hulldown isnt. Got it. HE was the brainless solution to the brainless problem that hulldown is. Also, those 3 pixels on the top? I played only about a few thousand battles total but never managed to hit that weakspot, never.

Does anyone know how to see what ammo they are using?

Will you make a video ever day for the rest of this year qb?:)

Had a match that I got 7.5k dmg blocked in the Emil II. Thought I would get a steel wall, but a tank with 2.5k dmg blocked got it instead. I don't know if there's some part of that I'm missing, or if it's just a load of crap.

@playwme3

Жыл бұрын

Did you survive?

@cainhager9814

Жыл бұрын

There are other things like you have to survive and it has to be 11 or more hits I think so if you kept blocking high tier tds, it might not have been enough hits

All my friends quit arty because they were just playing it to get the tier 10s to collect at the time and since wargaming has no interest in adding more arty they will likely never touch arty again.

i still playing with all the swedish tanks and having a lot of fun!

And this video is a perfect sample of the issues of wot: -swedish heavies were and are still op, italian tds are blatantly op when hull down (in a game which the majority of the maps are made to be specific hull down positions in a tunnel/street) and basically only the tanks with no frontal weakpoints can play. With no SPG neither usable HE, what we saw its what happens every game -bold plays get punished -mm +2-2 is bad (what chance did those tier 7 had if the tier 9 tanks are actually doing their job properly? specially in tier 6 and above) -It's not the case on this map, but most of the maps are too small and made into 2-3 corridors and a death row. We have tier 7+ tanks which can perform as they should do in big maps ala frontline playing in small tier 1 maps

"...greedy little tier 7 medium tanks..." - my VK 30.02D being personally attacked.

limiting games to 1 arty per side would work, especially if they adjust the damage output on small calibre ones like the FV304 to be a little more effective, or at least give them splash

@kelvisshandei

Жыл бұрын

No buff to arties

@nightsounds8366

Жыл бұрын

Yeah please no, in tier 10 especially in tanks like a kranvan or other strong hull down tanks. Yes they should be able to dig them out, but not punch me for a third of my hit points with one shell

@EmpPeng2k7

Жыл бұрын

@@nightsounds8366 that's why I mentioned small calibre arty, because at the moment vehicles like the fv304 have a hard time being relevant having no splash in the case of the 304 or insignificant splash in a few other cases and not much damage even if they hit. The large calibre arty (which all tier 8+ are iirc) don't need buffing

@robinkhn2547

Жыл бұрын

more like nerf the damage of the goddamn op FV304. This thing does probably already do more dmg than other artilleries due to its very steep trajectory making it impossible to hide from.

@cainhager9814

Жыл бұрын

Please don't buff the arty but especially not the fv304

Why no 7 vs 7 video's... :) I find it rather relaxing that game mode

I hated the accuracy even before the nerf so I wont be touching this with pole now.

Hey @QuickyBaby, i feel you on the point of the stale meta. Ive been playing for 7 years i think and in the last 2ish years i just cant get into this game anymore. I would much prefer to watch someone like yourself play than actually play the game anymore. The amount of OP reward vehicles and premium vehicles makes the game so one sided. Some tanks straight up just don't work within this game anymore lols. I wonder at your thoughts how the game could be improved in this regard? How would you change the meta? How do you balance all the premium and reward tanks with the tech tree ones? How do you make this game fun to play again. I don't think I'll come back to the game unless something major changes in regards to the OP tanks, its just not a fun game to play anymore, its turned into a salt mine and that's just a chore lols. Lots of love from Australia, keep up your fantastic work and thankyou for your years of dedicated content. Ive been watching you play as long as I've played this game and i think you are amazing so it makes me sad to see the state of the game as it is. All the best my friend

On the NA server there's usually 2 arty in every match now, so the no arty thing might just be on EU. It doesn't solve the hull down meta issue. WG needed to nerf the turret armor and/or add weakpoints to the Kran and Emil, not make them as awful to play as they were to play against. New Italian TD's have the same problem, I think the main reason they're not overperforming is that no decent player can stand playing them.

I’m not sure I’ve seen him get an easier last kill than that one. That guy stood no chance

Funny how quickly the AMX M4 replaced the Kranvagn as a hulldown god.

My opinion is, they nerfed a bit too much those 2 swedish GOAT's, but, now they created a much more powerfull line- yeah, AMX tier 9 and 10. I think they could let swedish how it was, and ad the new power for the AMX's, in this case the game would had many meta tanks, like Kran, AMX, 279e, Chiftain, and the some or many games would be balanced in this case, cause meta tanks were dealing against each other and that could be a challenge. That's my oppionion. Instead, we have at every 2 years, a meta tank which in most faces in the games and the rest of the team in unable to do smth for those tanks.

They effectively forced swedish heavy players to drop the turbos and optics for improved aming and stabiliser, still having horrific gun handling. The gun is fine if you can sit still and aim. You will miss and bounce two out of three if you dont have a really soft target to shoot at. The effectivity has taken a big hit. People keep pointing that it has not changed much but the amount of shots you shoot in a game has increased and for me personaly its 20% accuracy drop. They did not fix the issue they made it anoying to play to push the players to vz55 line.

We really need to bring back the HE splash for convential guns if this is going to be more of a regularity

@larryselkirk426

Жыл бұрын

Sniper: Are there any unconventional guns in Random WoT games?

@dilophosaursniper5399

Жыл бұрын

@@larryselkirk426 i say coventional guns to differenciate between regular guns (used by everything else) and artillery guns (used by arty).

@dilophosaursniper5399

Жыл бұрын

@@larryselkirk426 i have to be specific to which gun must be changed as we dont want to return of whatever arty was before artillery nerf

WG sho7ld make a special ammo type that can always do some damage, maybe some sort of explosive so there is always something you can do 🤔

I got my Emil 2 , just in time for the nerf hammer....sigh... Not even bothering with that line now. Maybe later. Lol

Hull down and high cammo with high spotting has mede the game a lot slower with TDs deciding the match. Arty canceled TDs overwatch tactics and sped the games up. Have an event where WG Un-nerfs arty and has unlimited respawns with increasing wait time the more you die and three tanks to choose from when respawning. Who ever hits the hardest or holds a camp circle for the longest time wins at the end of 10 minute match with unlimited ammo. That would be fun.

Yay, Swedish tank. I expected QB to Show me what to put on Kranvagn. F2P wise😂❤

S.Conqeror is new meta tank, if we don't count reward tanks.

wow 6k damage amazing content

remember kran had 4shell per clip? yeah

@kubald3863

Жыл бұрын

it was worse then than it is now

Now even if there is an arty the tank would need to sit in the open for 2-3 minutes for the 5 reloads needed to actually 100-0 it

@UrSneakyDad

Жыл бұрын

Well , the arty doesn't need to 100-0 a tank , 2-3 shots will just annoy the tank and stop it from staying in that same position.

I remember when they were 4 shot autoloaders

You need autoloading premium arty with wheels that can one shot t10s....

@NoName-og5sd

Жыл бұрын

I beg your pardon, I think you meant doublebarrel autoreloading premium wheeled arty with 183mm gun called "EBR 183-II GC". :)

I found the Emil II very frustrating. The gun accuracy was on par with a poor Chinese gun and most shots I took went through the turret. Free XP and blueprinted through the second half. The Kran was day and night better. Sadly it is slow now.

Pls share yr equipment setup thks

If you're alone in Kravnwagen than is the tank nog great. On 1 spot het is stille good

Non team players love their hulldown-syndrom tanks.

All we need is the old HE back

While I don't mind the nerf overall, I think the mobility nerfs in this line were a bit overkill, especially as we still don't have as good frontal hull armour as we're supposed to. Even in their own video on the subject, they stated that the frontal armour was more effective than that on the IS-7. Meanwhile, in the actual game... "Hey, you're now painfully slow for a "fast" heavy and all of your armour aside from your frontal turret sucks."

I got my Emil II and i average about 2k dmg a game and am very close to getting my 1st mark

so, im curious. as i agree that the hull down meta, sit and camp meta is really boring. and that artillery might help with it, im more inclined to say that i rather wish WG buffed more of the frontal assault tanks so they can actually push these campers and not fear for their frontal weakspots as much. cause RN they feel almost weaker than hull-down tanks, because of their frontal weakspots and sometimes thin "gold-pennable" frontal armour.

Best tier 9 HT ??? Amx VZ m103 ?

80% on my battles there was 2 spg... worst week ever in wot

Good content

I basically mainly play arty in WoT, i like the playstyle (judge as you will) but i can only be in so many games!

Which emil to keep? Emil 1 or Emil 2?

@rowancarpenter5642

Жыл бұрын

neither when you get the kran

I still feel the Emil II is better tier for tier than the Kranvagn

just reduce every tanks armour by 10 percent across the board

Qb can you do another maps video

As your friendly neighbourhood parking fine dispenser, it seems that WG have biased the matchmaker to have either 0 or 3 Jeffs per side, which minimises the fun and XP for us. Max two would benefit everyone

Been grinding through this thing on console trying to get the kranvangn but arty is still broken so my ridge line god gets 3 shot by arty

Been playing for 9 years, never bothered me to get smoked by arty, part of the game. Arty adds a whimsical wild card to the game, would be boring without it.

@cainhager9814

Жыл бұрын

I've been playing for around the same amount of time and I find certain scenarios where arty can be helpful but if given the choice I'd take games with no arty every time

About the hulldown meta. Can it have to do with the fact that nowadays there is not a single new tank coming out that don't have 10 degrees of gun depression. Remember the 'good old days' when you were pretty happy with 8 degrees? and all the Russian had 5-6 degrees?

just un-nerf the HE for Arty and the hull down meta problem should be dealt with i was so surprised the 3-4 halloween event games i played where players were using Arty (only 1 per side but still) and i felt kinda sorry for them as one shot me in my TOG II and barely did any damage

Im not even playing the game anymore, Atho i still enjoy watching clips. As for arty yes they have always been the punish tool against campers. The fact that they have become useless should have told everyone a hulldown meta was coming. Revert the he nerf, adjust mm to only allow 2 arty 1 game. 1 big gunned arty 1 smaller gunned arty

the fact you need tier 9 gold rounds just to pen a tier 7 TD 💀

Qb how about the bounce code you promise for us to get qb commander 🙏

The reason you're not seeing as much artillery is that it's been nerfed to uselessness.

Excuse me, but that's "fewer" people are playing the Emil II, not "less" as you said. Less is for non-quantifiable, fewer is for quantifiable. Referring to "people" is to refer to quantifiable individuals. As my grammar teacher used to say, "it's less for water in general, it's fewer when referring to gallons of water".

It's funny how everyone hated so much on arty and wanted WG to nerf them so WG did it and then introduced tanks for which arty would be the perfect foil.

Am I the only one who thinks quicky baby looks similar to obiwan?

Wow.

Heavy tanks are the new arty. Hull down, park and shoot, dur dur dur, bounce dur dur dur.

HE nerf made this possible not arty nerf, I personally hate arty because it punishes me for being very aggressive, but if not for HE nerf, all 152mm guns could deal with hull down monsters easily

Quicky, we won't blame you for trying out different games, games come and go and same goes with developers, some become greedy and their games die.

I dont think the nerf was needed that much. The problem was people would just sit there and take it instead of trying to pressure the tank when it's reloading

still heaps of SPG on the HKG server :(

With teamwork and tactics no longer part of the game, Arty is a need with so many hull down tanks.

WG could end the Hull Down Meta tomorrow by putting bulbous cupolas on every tank, henceforth/ therefore/ thus one can only conclude that this is exactly what they want and frenetic, kinetic gameplay is no longer desirable. You may have to change your intro: "Welcome back to World of Turrets". XD

we're not missing artillery, we're missing old HE !

@DinoDavid87

Жыл бұрын

HE is better now, more consistent and can’t be spammed by brain dead players. It encourages proper use of HE. It’s for low health targets or for maximizing dpm against thinly armoured tanks

@cyrilleb.8226

Жыл бұрын

@@DinoDavid87 it just encourages gold spam...

Just got my Emil II and cannot make it work. Why did WT nerf it so much, I think it is poor to this as players have worked hard to get the tank and then the nerf it.

I totally disagree. The game does NOT have a hull down META at this time. Most games are over in 3.5 minutes because the meta is all speed and momentum. 15-4 Rofflestomps. I am glad that the game has maps and positions now that allow the slow, heavy hull down tanks some opportunity to shine.

Never playd sweden tanks

Everyone hates fast games. Everyone hates arty. QB wants quicker games and more artillery. He really is a weirdo.

@nicunastase3332

Жыл бұрын

The name defines you so good “Silly Sausage” you didn’t get at all what he meant 😂

@princem247

Жыл бұрын

That’s not what he meant

@rumenstoianov9200

Жыл бұрын

U forgot that also everyone hates qb

@radimziegler7079

Жыл бұрын

You misunderstood that so much it's horrifying

Wubba Labba dub-dub

I guess you complained about arty slightly too hard... Wow, nobody could see that one coming

WG is pretty lazy in term of balancing factor of the game. Take other games like Dota 2 for example you never even notice that the character you are playing is nerfed or buffed which can happen anytime within weeks or even days. It means that they are so good that there is only the need of minor changes unlike WOT who suddenly wake up after year or two and realize that particular tank is good/bad and than do a huge change which make or break the tank.. Take T110E5 for example, noone knows that tank even exist what happen next; After Buff- It become super OP and with no weak spot from the front, you cant pen its lower plate or cuploa, everyone grind that tank and in every clan war you use people using it. After Nerf- No one even pick this tank even in random battle anymore forget about clan war. It has a huge coupla which can be penetrated with tier 8 tanks and such a weak spot doesn't exist in previous tier like T29 and T32 which are known for hull down suddenly become bad in hull down and other tanks like Super conq started ruling this hull down job.

Well... to bring Arties back, WG has only one statistic to change and that would be to push the damage upwards ! Then and only then, at least in my Opion, players will start playing them again.

@cainhager9814

Жыл бұрын

I really don't want them playing them again. I can't stand them in the state they are in