So clearly in the comparison section I meant Hyundai Palisade, not Toyota Palisade. LOL

@reserva120

3 жыл бұрын

my whole world has been shattered , By your Honest Mistake".. But ever since I became a Leftist I think you're a racist an should be Cancelled!! :):)

@keving7940

3 жыл бұрын

Haha mistakes are mistakes !! Love the content

@jessehappel4160

3 жыл бұрын

How absolute dare you

@invincibleforce533

3 жыл бұрын

You are the best on KZread when it comes to auto reviews, thank you for being so detailed Alex!!

@OGGuy-xb1yk

3 жыл бұрын

Toyota makes a Palisade too?

I think that Atlas is also really strong for "old" families. With all the room in the back rows, middleschool/highschoolers have no issue getting back there and it's plenty roomy for 6 adults as well.

Engine, transmission, space, comfort, design, functionality and versatility are among best in class.

@elenapodmareva2533

3 жыл бұрын

No, no, yes, no, no, no, maybe

@msrr1303

3 жыл бұрын

@@elenapodmareva2533 yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes and yes

@elenapodmareva2533

3 жыл бұрын

@@msrr1303 Haha, enjoy Atlas then. And prepare for a lot of malfunctions

@msrr1303

3 жыл бұрын

@@elenapodmareva2533 electric malfunctions aren’t mentioned in my comment. But thanks for the irrelevant thoughts.

VW should thank you Alex. We just bought a 2021.5 atlas and your review definitely inspired the purchase.

@dvanerdivkanade

Жыл бұрын

Hello sir, can I ask you how are you satisfied with the car so far?

This 2nd row seat system should be in all SUVs / Minivan - so easy, simple and clever and so important in family vehicle. One thing is missing - another two iso fix points in 3rd row.

The Telluride and Palisade almost have to be ordered since there is no stock. One dealer tried to sell us a used 2021Telluride with 6,900 miles for $75,000. The third row in the Atlas has more room and the bench is longer. Long story short, we bought the Atlas SEL with captains chairs.

Just test drove a 2021 Atlas today. Can’t wait to get it

Just found your channel. Have to say probably the best videos for car reviews...well done with the detailed comparisons. It’s a good touch.

Kia Telluride has $10.000 markup in California. No, thanks.

@tmajek

Жыл бұрын

Still the case here in BC today! 10-15% over MSRP for the Telluride, just under MSRP for Atlas.

Just picked one up. 2021 SE 2WD R line with Tech and Captain chairs. My wife loves it in Racing green.

@Zeus0886

3 жыл бұрын

@Stereo Typist stop hating. I picked one up too. Way better than that piece of junk Honda i had. Honda is overrated beyond belief

@Zeus0886

3 жыл бұрын

@Stereo Typist its called leasing wont have any

@Zeus0886

3 жыл бұрын

@Stereo Typist its called a tax write off for business.

@MajesticMalice

3 жыл бұрын

I also grabbed one in racing green. Such a gorgeous color in the sun. Looks black otherwise to most people

@joskjj3625

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zeus0886 I agree Honda is overrated unreliable junk now

My favorite auto reviewer! Missed you, Alex!

You are my favorite car reviewer. Everything is chronological and your analysis is logical and practical. I like how you review the car like reading a script so I can sometimes just listen to it when I'm driving. I especially like your static camera angles and when it's not static it's slow smooth and detailed so I can take in all the fine details of exterior and interior. I find a big problem with most other reviewers is sloppy, shaky and random camera work and shows too much of the reviewer. I don't want to see the reviewer except once maybe to compare size of exterior and interior seating/roominess. Keep up the great work I'm a paid subscriber and don't change anything!

@fievelk5719

3 жыл бұрын

I also love your graphics of size comparison engine options and seat specs. I would recommend a short clip of night ambient lighting as that seems like the next big thing.

Loved mine SEL PREMIUM 2.0T with captains chairs 💺😍

Now that they stripped 2021 VW models of the Dieselgate warranty I would avoid all there products like the plague. They cost cut everywhere and just aren't put together well (North America models). I mean they stopped that extended warranty because they realized how much it is going to cost them. Get a Telluride, Palisade, or even something like a Highlander Hybrid or Mazda CX9 if the third row size isn't a big ordeal. Just so many better options out there

@trent7080

3 жыл бұрын

everytime I see a comment of yours, its very negative or biased. Do better.

@swanblake

3 жыл бұрын

@@trent7080 its called the truth. Look at every other comment on here. Thanks for singling me out.

@blakeswan5688

3 жыл бұрын

@@trent7080 pretty sure that is harassment

@markmiller3279

3 жыл бұрын

@@trent7080 Suggesting multiple better alternatives is hardly negative. It's just opining that in this category there are better options.

@stephenhendricks103

3 жыл бұрын

VW introduced its "People First" warranty in 2018. It provided a 6 yr/72K bumper to bumper warranty. In 2020 VW replaced it with a 4 year/50K mile warranty but included 2 years of free maintenance (a $600-$800 value). Still a year longer and 14,000 mile longer than other automakers other than Hyundai and KIA. With that in mind, it's difficult to see how VW "realized how much (the "People First) warranty was going to cost them" when virtually no 2018 and 2019 vehicles had even come close to being in the fifth or sixth years of ownership. Furthermore, from a consumer perspective two years of free maintenance for each and every vehicle sold has to be balanced against the likelihood that a warranty claim would be covered five or six years after purchase, an event that very few owners would ever experience. (Well over 95% of all vehicles sold by any automaker never experience a warranty covered failure. Long warranties are a marketing tool; they cost automakers very, very little.) So it comes down to this. Would you rather have a guaranteed savings of $600-$800 in maintenance or the chance that a warranty claim might (but probably won't) be required five or six years after purchase?

Alex you are the reason we purchased a 2021.5 VW Atlas SEL! Needed a 3 row suv as we outgrew our Honda Odyssey as our kids are getting bigger. Thanks for the advice and excellent videos.

@vipse1984

2 жыл бұрын

Same here, traded in a 2017 Odyssey for 2021 Atlas

@georginachang7877

Жыл бұрын

How do you guys like the Atlas now? Pondering if we should get this or the Odyssey/Sienna.

thanks for great review, `I will go for VW Atlas

Great review

Between price and warranty, the hyundai twins go unparalleled in this segment of large 3 row crossovers.

@trent7080

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone doesn't want a Hyundai or KIA.

@diasporael7563

3 жыл бұрын

@@trent7080 True however that premium interior design + total leg room is hard to deny.

@james2042

3 жыл бұрын

@@trent7080 if you're so stuck up on brand name that you buy the inferior vehicle or spend way more on comparable vehicles, then you deserve what you get.

@trent7080

3 жыл бұрын

@@james2042 I dont care about brand name. These Hyundai and KIA SUVs dont tow or handle as well as some of the other options. People buy based on their own needs and wants. That doesn't make their choice "inferior "

@PMTCards

3 жыл бұрын

The issue is at least up to this point..price isn’t really that much better.. have a couple dealers out here that have tellurides marked up 5-10k.. and you never see any lease deals, money off, or 0%/low finance offers on them either.. So sure if going msrp to msrp they win, but if you’re like most people that have to lease or finance, then you’ll actually most likely pay less for the atlas

love the in-depth reviews! but there is no way combined legroom of atlas is less than the competition. maybe use consumer reports figures instead of manufacturer’s

Great video as always! And I like the new intro too. As to VW improving the Atlas in the future, my hope is that VW with its electrification goals would have a 4-cylinder, full hybrid versions that would have the towing and acceleration performance of a V-6 but the fuel economy of a four. This could be achieved from the parts bin of VW, with a pancake motor, a dual clutch transmission, and a small-flat battery mounted under the driver and passenger seat area. The fuel economy is a deal-breaker for me.

I own the 2018 Atlas, SEL AWD. only complains I have is the fuel economy. Otherwise, this vehicle has been perfect for our family needs in every department. If you do a lot more highway driving the city the gas isn't so bad, but if you do mostly city driving the low mpg gas is gonna hurt...

@crouchingshark

2 жыл бұрын

totally agree,. I have an 2018 SEL AWD also and yes i have topped out at 28mpg hwy with 4 people. BUT city driving sinks to well below 20mpg. Very comfortable vehicle.

Should mention excellent headroom!

I LOVE that there are only two seats in the 3rd row! make the seats useless when you cram three in back there.

Well nice car

Great video and always love the reviews!! So in depth and gets into the necessary detail. But there is an editing error in this video. When comparing to the Telluride and Palisade, the banner says Toyota Palisade and not Hyundai. But Kia is correct. Love the content!!!

Interesting that the Subaru Ascent was compared here!

I’m thinking of choosing TWO sub-compact SUVs or compact sedans instead...price wise it’s not far off.

Great video. Would you personally buy the Atlas?

Cancelled our kia telluride order since the dealership kept lying to us on when our telluride would come in. Ordered in sept said it would come in 2to3 months not said it would he here till 2021 so it could be whenever that is. Telluride has a lot of nice features but never know when it would come in and what resale value would be down the road. Wife and I are going with the atlas with r line package.

Yeah in europe there vw sharan its a minivan similarly sized

Did you mention that the rear door panels are hard-touch plastic unlike the front door panels, which feature soft-touch plastic above the armrests?

My last Volkswagen was purchased six years ago, three purchased vehicles total. All three had reliability issues, AKA money pits. I will never buy a VW product anytime soon.

@BIGGIEBAG-XL

2 жыл бұрын

Which models did you own?

Alex, Love the new intro.

Waiting on the 21.5 Atlas SEL premium

Alex check your graphics. I Believe the Palisade is made by Hyundai not Toyota.

My pick would be Highlander Hybrid. Roomy enough and compact SUV fuel economy

@otismurphy4428

3 жыл бұрын

Just test drove that and disagree..!

@joreldavis4069

3 жыл бұрын

@@otismurphy4428 and disagree with...?

@otismurphy4428

3 жыл бұрын

@@joreldavis4069 that Toyota was pretty unimpressive ,but I digested your post though..!

@joreldavis4069

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Styling is not impressive. The impressive part is the combo of room and fuel economy.

@otismurphy4428

3 жыл бұрын

@@joreldavis4069 thanks 4 your info ... I was taking your comments and others seriously. Take care and thanks again.

The Telluride is only cheaper than the Atlas in the land of make believe and dealer markups.

Sat in the 3rd row of the atlas and thought it was actually a decent space. I'm 5"11 and thick. Yeah VW should put an extra seat in the 3rd row tho.

Ppl need to understand that Vw it’s not on mpg specifically on big suv , I got mine 18 del vr6 it’s the star powerful enough it’s not a race suv but it’s roomy 79 mill on it still running good

I commented before and I'll say it again, Alex, please ensure you have captions enabled, for the hearing impaired it's the only way to watch your series!

@AAutoBuyersGuide

3 жыл бұрын

They are always enabled, but KZread is responsible for their creation and we have no control over when they appear. Hiring an actual transcription service to create "real" captions is not possible due to the high cost of transcription.

@spartanvi

3 жыл бұрын

It takes a while for KZread to autotranscribe the closed captions and to process all of the SD/HD viewing options. If all the options aren't there, it probably means the video was just uploaded. Wait 30 or so minutes and come back to the video.

@AAutoBuyersGuide

3 жыл бұрын

@@spartanvi Sadly YT will take longer than a week sometimes. This video was uploaded days ago....

How is it that the reliability rating for a palisade is higher than that of an atlas? Palisade has only been out for half the time of an atlas, right.

Hi! 😊 Will you do a 2022 version?

This looks like the Highlander from a few generations ago and even that probably would last longer than this thing.

My choice is the Highlander Hybrid AWD.

Once kids are grown from their child seats - I would think about getting something like Corvette C8 or a Jaaaag... :) As for the current line up in this segment - Explorer looks like a better option. I.e. me as a driver going long distances would appreciate some dynamics and fun a slightly more than convenience.

@yes8032

3 жыл бұрын

Jaaaaaaaag? *I’m getting some Jeremy vibes*

@txdevops

3 жыл бұрын

@@yes8032, that's a pretty accurate way to express emotion about the J vehicles :)

How does Atlas compare with Pathfinder? Both are family-friendly

Is there any truth to the rumor that the 2022’s are going to be the year for the new design overhaul?

This suv is literally the best

i would buy the ford explorer in a solid color with steel rims and drive slow everywhere

The Atlas at last!

Highlander is the last of my list

to sum it all up, for me, the explorer wins easily. i must have RWD. the base engine is far better with MPGs than all others AND the korean twins actually have real-world lower mpg. i need to feel some fun and want to drive. not a big fan of the bling and tempting "near-luxury" of the competition since this is EXACTLY what looks bad 50K miles down the road. keep it simple. i guess, the third row these days for me is needless, so perhaps the smaller atlas sport or 2row pilot would be my other options as the edge is pretty old.

@markmiller3279

3 жыл бұрын

I'd be surprised if the Kia and Hyundai has worse overall gas mileage. It's turbocharged engines that almost always get higher EPA ratings than they deliver in real world driving. A V-6 tends to be fairly close to its ratings.

@paulpellico3797

3 жыл бұрын

@@markmiller3279 well, not so. however, IF you cannot control yourself and insist on feeling the push all the time, ya, then they don't do well. however, my 2010 3.5 twin turbo MKS is right now showing an average of 22.1 MPG. i do drive carefully and in fact, at 104K miles, I STILL have the original brakes. this is because driving is a skill. judging red lights is a skill. driving ahead is a skill. so, ya, depending upon how skilled you are makes a difference. but many people do report lower everyday numbers on the korean, and most, suvs.

We're a family of 6, so 7 vs 8 seats is huge. I wonder why so many auto makers won't just make 8 seaters by default. I'm sure I'm not the only one this is a non starter for...

@alliejr

3 жыл бұрын

Minivan.

@mcgrathfamily8325

3 жыл бұрын

@@alliejr I actually tow with mine. An 8 seat Durango or even Pathfinder would be ideal for that extra 1k plus towing capacity vs the midsize SUV crowd.

@kokipopi2985

3 жыл бұрын

Statistically there aren’t that many consumer who need that many seats and towing.

@mcgrathfamily8325

3 жыл бұрын

There's no shortage of luxury and mainstream full size SUVs that seem to suggest otherwise...The pathfinder not withstanding, it just seems odd not to offer 3 in the rear especially when you don't have a full size SUV that would it would possibly compete with.

@karldunnegan2689

3 жыл бұрын

The average US family has 2 kids. Who the hell is needing 8 damn seats, except maybe Catholics and Mormons who are anti contraception.

Telluride does not have strong value!! MSRP means nothing for it given that they are all selling with a dealer markup.

@CommentGrade

3 жыл бұрын

Just find a dealer that won’t charge the markup. There’s a bunch.

@armaniusmaximus

3 жыл бұрын

@@CommentGrade not in Houston!

@CommentGrade

3 жыл бұрын

@@armaniusmaximus Fort Bend Kia in Rosenberg, TX purportedly sells at MSRP.

Just by a Mini van

@stevee.2183

3 жыл бұрын

It’s the most practical thing for a family with 3 or more kids. I’d be wasting my money if I got a 3 row SUV.

@markmiller3279

3 жыл бұрын

@@fcex558 Many crossovers don't have all that much ground clearance either, usually no more than an inch or two extra - certainly not enough for anything but a reasonably well maintained dirt road. For people who need ground clearance there are a few choices that give up a lot of interior space, and usually cost more for what they offer.

Still no auto brake hold in the US? So weird ...

2020 Explorer has 10 recalls and counting, Pilot and Passport are outdated, Telluride is priced outrageous at dealerships. Highlander is blah styling.

@chieftan69

3 жыл бұрын

And Honda is embattled in a Class Action Lawsuit regarding the Infotainment system that breaks and cannot currently be fixed. Been driving a Pilot for 10 years. Picking up my new 21.5 Atlas on Saturday.

@pbentsonable

3 жыл бұрын

@@chieftan69 Sorry to hear Honda is being stubborn. That happens a lot. They deny problems often. I have a 2020 Civic Touring sedan and I’m looking to trade it in myself.

i noticed it doesn't seem to have Fog lights... plus does it have LED Headlights?

@tavius88

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it does. LED headlights and LED taillights

Conspicuously missing: the Subaru Ascent. How does it compare?

@AAutoBuyersGuide

3 жыл бұрын

The Ascent doesn't sell all that well and its smaller inside. There isn't room for every 3-row in America so we had to leave out most of them and focus on the primary cross-shops via independent data. Also missing is the Durango, CX-9, Acadia, Traverse, Pathfinder, Sorento, Enclave, Outlander...

There is wireless apple car play on this atlas

It would be nice, if you guys(reviewers) would mention something about reliability as well. We are watching these videos, we get excited about the vehicle, and then after some research, we find out, that they have reliability issues.

@markmiller3279

3 жыл бұрын

He did mention reliability in the section on competitors.

@williekim5297

2 жыл бұрын

Compared to a BMW X5M the reliability and low repair costs of a VW is outstanding.

i will wait for Atlas 2021 3/4th

@teklegion

3 жыл бұрын

it seem not tot have fog lights

@steveam29

3 жыл бұрын

@@teklegion they are integrated into the upper housings.

Alex, Did you say 19 mpg???

@teklegion

3 жыл бұрын

I have the 2019 Atlas SEL and i get about 22.0 MPG.

@tavius88

3 жыл бұрын

@@teklegion V6?

The Atlas refresh is handsome, but the powertrain and interior design are boring. I think the Hyundai/KIA twins have nailed the interior design; they LOOK luxurious compared to the Atlas, Explorer, Traverse, Durango, etc. I just wish that they had the power/fun factor as well. Explorer and Durango make it fun to drive a family hauler even though I have a '14 Mustang GT in the stable.

we need child friendly seat only when we have to access 3rd row right? Otherwise it doesn't matter

@markmiller3279

3 жыл бұрын

Correct. And even then it may be possible for small kids to get to it by scrambling between captain's chairs, on models so equipped. That's especially true on the Kia/Hyundai models, which have four or five inches more total legroom, so kids can get by the child seats. Little kids are good at getting through tight spaces.

@prakashambastha7530

3 жыл бұрын

@@markmiller3279 I don't know why Alex put so much stress on moving the middle seat with child seat latched.

@msrr1303

3 жыл бұрын

@@prakashambastha7530 it matters because the target costumers for this segment has children AND plan to use the third row. Otherwise, they’d buy a two row...

@prakashambastha7530

3 жыл бұрын

@@msrr1303 I believe most of the customers who buy 3 row SUV, keep their 3rd row folded most of the time and its primarily used for extra cargo space. I have rarely seen anyone using 3rd row for passenger hauling.Customer who genuinely need 3rd row , they go for mini van rather than SUV.

Good review but why do you always exclude GM models, which outsell many of the competitors you listed. Also, your facts aren't correct. The traverse has the most cargo room!

My mother in law did not appreciate the namesake of the third row, but then she's only 5 feet tall, so.....

What about VW reliability compared to KIA/Toyota options? I am looking for a family SUV with two young kids and Atlas seems a good option on paper but I am skeptical about long term reliability.

@yes8032

3 жыл бұрын

VW Really good car you can buy

@stevee.2183

3 жыл бұрын

I’d strongly suggest looking at the upcoming Sienna Hybrid. Far more functional than an SUV and waayyy more fuel efficient then any SUV other than the Highlander hybrid (they share the same power train). Toyota’s hybrid technology is simply the most reliable thing you can buy, their “transmission” design is incredible, Alex talks about it in his Toyota hybrid videos.

@jamesmoore9008

3 жыл бұрын

Consumer reports rating= Telluride 92 with above average reliability, Highlander 86 with above average reliability. VW Atlas 61 with a far below average reliability rating. Personally I’d look at Kia/Hyundai twins, Toyota, Subaru, or Mazda.

@jamesmoore9008

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevee.2183 totally agree. We wanted an SUV but once I went to dealer and folded the third row into the floor and looked at the cargo capacity between the Sienna and Highlander I decided against an SUV as the cargo capacity is twice that of SUVs. Waiting for the 2021 Sienna myself.

@trent7080

3 жыл бұрын

Reliability cannot be measured. Every model is unique.

I know, guys, the suspense of what the seat rating will be was KILLING you! 9 out of 10!!! Who would have thought! Who wants to bet it's going to be 9 out of 10 in the next review? Any takers?

Still looking forward to a current generation Traverse review.

Alex,What is it that you have with mother in law,mother in law gets dumped in every 3rd row review,I should watch your durango review to see if you say you throw her in the cargo and tow,lol.

*hauler not hauller

lots to like. except the engine; it's GDI.

20:07 Toyota Palisade?

@AAutoBuyersGuide

3 жыл бұрын

Yikes.

@kpkech17

3 жыл бұрын

@@AAutoBuyersGuide No problem. Keep up the good work Alex!

Cowawbunga

While I like the exterior styling of the Atlast and Atlast CrossSport, I hate the interior...it looks so dated and the colors of the seats aren't appealing to the eye....the entire infotainment area, AC controls and shifter needs a complete update...

Scotty says Honda will run circles around Hyundai

I would pick Hyundai Palisade

The Atlas will suck gas money out of your pocket real fast.

Wait for the new pathfinder....I am hoping for major updates

@blackwhirlwind1245

3 жыл бұрын

It doesn’t matter, one thing that is not going to change is they will continue to use Jatco CVT

@henrybrar

3 жыл бұрын

@@blackwhirlwind1245 True, I always felt people just hate on CVTs for no reason until I rented a Nissan Altima for a 1300 mile road trip, omg worse driving experience ever.

@Bartonovich52

3 жыл бұрын

It’s not just how they drive. It’s severe reliability issues. Honda and Subaru have also had problems with theirs.

@blackwhirlwind1245

3 жыл бұрын

@@fcex558 source? Never heard anything of New Pathfinder.

@blackwhirlwind1245

3 жыл бұрын

@@fcex558 it’s not going to come out in March 2021, whatever you see online are all rumors, no actual confirmation, Nissan never reveal anything about New Pathfinder. It may come out at the end of 2021 at the earliest.

I would pick Hyundai Palaside white.

That interior is its glaring weakness.

@CommentGrade

3 жыл бұрын

I hear this criticism a lot. I test drove an Atlas today and quite liked the interior. Why do people dislike the interior so much?

@elenapodmareva2533

3 жыл бұрын

@@CommentGrade Because it looks cheap

Fake vent central. Both front and rear.

still don't get the obsession over how the telluride looks...it totally looks like a old tahoe/suburban/american suv knockoff with modern LED lights...and no one was ever saying a tahoe is attractive.. mazda cx9 is a hell of a lot better looking and more modern..

@kenkozawa9810

3 жыл бұрын

@Jonathan A more power to ya. I ain't saying it's an ugly car, just don't think anything about the looks are groundbreaking..Palisade looks more attractive and interesting.

@markmiller3279

3 жыл бұрын

The Telluride's a handsome vehicle, but I agree it isn't terribly groundbreaking. The CX-9 has always been especially stylish.

If you need a 3rd row, how can you NOT by a mini-van??

Who buys these junky SUVs? A cursory Google search on them yields info on their poor quality. I guess it’s ok to lease them but to buy them? I think not.

The selling point is “mother in law”

Reliability? Not so good and the mediocre warranty supports that fact

Yo

Volkswagen is like the Mazda of German cars, people tend to forget about them.

ah yes, the toyota palisade.(20:40)

I will never buy another VW. My pick in this category is the Mazda CX-9

Dat godaweful intro 🙁

Believe it or not the interior is even more boring in person...

Still way too much hard plastic

Second

US Volkswagen is known as a poor quality manufacturer :(

Asian competitors are much better and more durable.

Don't trust volkswagen company.

Not worth money. Nothing special. More Cons than Pros...VR6 Slow acceleration- no turbo V6, Horrible ride quality stiff suspension even with 18in wheels, Horrible MPG, Terrible headlight visibility- no fogs for 2020, not 8 passenger suv, Low reliability, Expensive parts, No Hybrid or Plugin....................PROS- space inside, Good Haldex AWD like Volvo, Reliable AISIN transmission....nothing else............PACK LEADER - Ford Explorer...look at the sales figures, police fleet use them, much powerful SUV......Toyota, Honda, VW, Mazda - please follow the leader FORD😜👍 JUST LOOK THE STATS FOR 3ROW SUV SEGMENT & YOU KNOW WHY EXPLORER DOMINATES SALES..

@markmiller3279

3 жыл бұрын

Police departments buy the Explorer because they sell a police version, not because it's any better as a family vehicle. None of these are slow enough to be a problem. If you prioritize speed the Explorer is your best choice, but that's like buying a turnip because it tastes the most like a carrot.

@gardenst4398

3 жыл бұрын

@@markmiller3279 then you say why Explorer dominates sales in 3 row suv segment more than highlander or pilot. Or do you say all who buy explorer are fools😜.