Stephen Penman: Value vs. Growth Investing and the Value Trap

On April 25, 2017, Stephen Penman, George O. May Professor of Financial Accounting at Columbia Business School, presented Value vs. Growth Investing and the Value Trap. The presentation was part of the Program for Financial Studies' No Free Lunch Seminar Series titled Current Research on Investing and Entrepreneurship.
The Program for Financial Studies' No Free Lunch Seminar Series provides broader community access to Columbia Business School faculty research. At each seminar, attended by invited MBA and PhD students, faculty members introduce their current research within an informal lunch setting.
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  • @richardgordon
    @richardgordon4 ай бұрын

    My recommendation is to buy Stephen Penman's textbooks Financial Statement Analysis and Security Valuation. I've re-read it and poured over it years to squeeze every last drop of wisdom. The book is challenging, but it WILL make you money if you are interested in investing. I would say it's the best book I've ever read/worked through on the topic of investing and financial analysis.

  • @tokyoinvestor3855
    @tokyoinvestor38556 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the lesson.

  • @MazharHussain-lp7bg
    @MazharHussain-lp7bg6 жыл бұрын

    Priceless wisdom! So good to see Sir Stephen in 2017. Please, keep posting in future.

  • @user-mm8pm7ol3r
    @user-mm8pm7ol3r4 жыл бұрын

    The thing they don't teach you, is that B/P works ON AVERAGE because of the few stocks that shoot up, while MOST of the actually FAIL. The distribution is heavily skewed with the bulk of returns being negative and a long "tail" of outperformers. So if one wanted to capture the B/P effect, one would have to invest in all the stocks with a high B/P, or at least a very large chunk of the high B/P universe. This makes it a hard-to-implement, if at all possible, strategy.

  • @kunalkunde7744

    @kunalkunde7744

    4 жыл бұрын

    You nailed it! :-)

  • @sakarikaristo4976

    @sakarikaristo4976

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well said

  • @SKITTLELA

    @SKITTLELA

    3 жыл бұрын

    I suppose a low-cost value index fund would get the job done.

  • @nbme-answers
    @nbme-answers5 жыл бұрын

    Mm-kay?!!

  • @rhythmandacoustics
    @rhythmandacoustics3 жыл бұрын

    Very nice lecture. I had to pause and play many times to actually think about it. Value vs Growth are merely labels and are not really useful in investing, and are only useful as a reference during conversation in order to have a common reference. Accounting doesn't write potential profitability only concrete profitability due to accrual accounting methods, and other conservative methods. Technology companies are hard to evaluate. I am not an accountant but I wonder what GAAP vs IFRS would do to the evaluation of certain companies.

  • @josephmunoru3845
    @josephmunoru38452 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the update on the same lessons

  • @dodgingdurangos924
    @dodgingdurangos9245 жыл бұрын

    Columbia Business School has the worst cameramen/directors ever. They need to focus more time on the projections on the screen whenever the lecturer refers to them. Following him around is like following a fly. It's a distraction.

  • @surajmondal8463
    @surajmondal84633 жыл бұрын

    Sir, just want to say thanks for the video, and this could have little better. Though, I'm a finance student but I was feeling left out.

  • @Future_ology
    @Future_ology2 жыл бұрын

    Isn't growth and value a chain reaction, one or the other happens first then the other steps forward with the other?

  • @vangelism7591
    @vangelism75915 жыл бұрын

    Good stuff.

  • @cj4009
    @cj40095 жыл бұрын

    And sooooo.... What is a value trap and how do I avoid it?

  • @rhythmandacoustics

    @rhythmandacoustics

    3 жыл бұрын

    Re-watch the video again.

  • @siddhantdeshmukh7120

    @siddhantdeshmukh7120

    3 жыл бұрын

    He is saying that by betting on high B/P and E/P you end up buying a more riskier investment. He proved that using some accounting principles. Most of the video explains the numbers behind the statement.

  • @CongCCHINA-wz4zg
    @CongCCHINA-wz4zg4 ай бұрын

    I am deeply enamored by his academic acumen!

  • @muskduh
    @muskduh2 жыл бұрын

    thanks for the video

  • @mjlyco9752
    @mjlyco97524 жыл бұрын

    TL;DR; value is riskier. It has had a higher historical return because it happened to pay off positively. If you invest in value stocks you take on more risk which you may or may not be compensated for. A much simpler explanation than he gives is that the price is lower than other stocks given future expected earnings therefore it must be riskier. If it wasn’t, people would be willing to pay more to own it.

  • @josephmunoru3845
    @josephmunoru38452 жыл бұрын

    It's a good idea value and intesting

  • @coachgius
    @coachgius4 жыл бұрын

    Why a heck terminology is inverted, is that an intellectual game? Great content but one has to figure out the inverse of all he says! P/E and P/B!

  • @rhythmandacoustics

    @rhythmandacoustics

    3 жыл бұрын

    Simple. It's the reciprocals. If it is 30% empty, it is 70% full.

  • @cj4009
    @cj40095 жыл бұрын

    Soooo... what do I do to appropriately and more profitably make value investments?

  • @musalimimanov6002
    @musalimimanov60027 ай бұрын

    Nice lecture 🙏

  • @LegendofDestinyV2
    @LegendofDestinyV2 Жыл бұрын

    They changed accounting standards to capitalize R&D now, so it is an asset on the balance sheet.

  • @kimberlyrae5110
    @kimberlyrae51104 жыл бұрын

    what's water on the balance sheet?

  • @Monopolist91

    @Monopolist91

    3 ай бұрын

    goodwill and intangibles.

  • @CollinSumpter
    @CollinSumpter2 жыл бұрын

    “What do we do when we fall Mr. Wayne? M’kay? We learn to pick ourselves back up. M’kay?”- Alfred from Batman

  • @loud9820
    @loud98205 жыл бұрын

    mhmm

  • @Virus278
    @Virus2785 жыл бұрын

    13:50 how is 8.7 the reciprocal of 11.5?

  • @BM-ru7ef

    @BM-ru7ef

    5 жыл бұрын

    I think because the yield at P/E of 11.5 is 8.7%. If PE is 11.5/1, the reciprocal is 1/11.5 = .0869 or 8.7%

  • @willi9723

    @willi9723

    5 жыл бұрын

    yes, with a 11.5 pe you would have 8.7% return in an investment.

  • @TheRilai
    @TheRilai4 жыл бұрын

    great lecturer

  • @wangscu
    @wangscu2 жыл бұрын

    nice talk

  • @armitageshanks2499
    @armitageshanks2499 Жыл бұрын

    Who's the lady at 28:50? I may have found ... ❤

  • @abidrahman7253
    @abidrahman72533 жыл бұрын

    Didn’t expect an Aussie accent

  • @loveanimals-0197
    @loveanimals-01974 жыл бұрын

    Can someone do the TL;DW version here? Thanks.

  • @travisbroussard4234
    @travisbroussard42345 жыл бұрын

    This man is an accountant, not an investor.

  • @garhhh9513

    @garhhh9513

    3 жыл бұрын

    When you dissociate the two, you, my friend become neither an investor nor an accountant but a gambler.

  • @spicex4k901

    @spicex4k901

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@garhhh9513 idiot

  • @painexotic3757

    @painexotic3757

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@garhhh9513 Goodluck retiring without investing your money and it being eaten away by inflation lol

  • @frankyfourfingers1382

    @frankyfourfingers1382

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@garhhh9513 Your comment was extremely insightful, but it seems your audience wasn't having any of it.

  • @phamman88
    @phamman886 жыл бұрын

    This guy sounds like an Aussie

  • @Adam-ui4ef

    @Adam-ui4ef

    6 жыл бұрын

    His bio says he hid his undergraduate study at the University of Queensland

  • @lorenzmuller3542
    @lorenzmuller35423 жыл бұрын

    Well, I wanna see his track record... Otherwise it's just "interesting" but nothing more.

  • @sujonpalit3436
    @sujonpalit34363 жыл бұрын

    Uh uh

  • @zyxwfish
    @zyxwfish5 жыл бұрын

    Dude can't control the volume of his voice.

  • @Lukrafiveman
    @Lukrafiveman3 жыл бұрын

    Umm ummm ummm ahhhh umm ahhh I can't listen to this anymore, had to turn off the video 2 minutes in

  • @hellomate6079

    @hellomate6079

    3 жыл бұрын

    Turn subtitle on and speed up the video

  • @lorenzmuller3542
    @lorenzmuller35423 жыл бұрын

    Never trust accountants. Those numbers are available to everyone. Useless lecture for retail investors.

  • @user-mm8pm7ol3r
    @user-mm8pm7ol3r4 жыл бұрын

    An excellent writer and a terrible lecturer. The way he speaks to the audience, you'd think it was a kindergarten (perhaps that's how he sees it).