I love Steven Meyer! He’s one of those people, who even though he’s BRILLIANT ; is also humble, and kind. He does such an amazing job of conveying such DEEP, and very meaningful thoughts about spiritual, philosophical, and scientific subjects. Plus, he’s just a very GENUINE, good dude!

@thegodlogic3844

2 жыл бұрын

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@jamesginty6684

2 жыл бұрын

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube

@HarryNicNicholas

Жыл бұрын

lol, he's as far from genuine as you could possibly get.

@michaelgonzalez9058

Жыл бұрын

U see Steven u have an enemy?I gave all your power

I've read all his books and have always held Meyer in high esteem, but now learning of his presuppositional theistic underpinnings makes me admire him all the more! Praise God for such people that witness so effectively.

@jamesginty6684

2 жыл бұрын

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube

@HarryNicNicholas

Жыл бұрын

presup is a joke, and i'm quoting a christian, meyer is a joke, lord knows why he's on sean's show, he's a total fake. search for his debates, he's totally dishonest.

@clintgreive

Жыл бұрын

@@HarryNicNicholas Wow, so profound Harry! We're all blessed to learn of your unsubstantiated and biased opinions! I'm sure many of us will be waiting with bated breath for any more drivel you care to share with us all. 🙏

I thank God for Dr. Meyer. God bless him for the invaluable help he provided for me.

@thegodlogic3844

2 жыл бұрын

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@jamesginty6684

2 жыл бұрын

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube

@HarryNicNicholas

Жыл бұрын

why? meyer has been exposed as a fake many times, in many debates, sean really ought to vet his guests more effectively. ID and creationsism have been rebutted years ago, look "the dover trials" rebutted IN COURT.

I went through the same thing when I was about fourteen. I remember reading Ecclesiastes and agreeing with the teacher saying that everything is meaningless. The passing of time bothered and depressed me. My journey wasn't quite as sophisticated as Dr Meyer's, but I found meaning in the gospel too.

Loved this interview and - as always - the gentle and loving manner in which comments and questions are addressed. Thank you.

Stephen Meyer is a modern-day Galileo, where he challenges the scientific establishment. :)

@rock801

2 жыл бұрын

How do you know that? Meyer did not do any science.

@carnakthemagnificent336

2 жыл бұрын

@@rock801 One does not have to make new scientific discoveries in order to understand the discoveries that others have made - and the implications or short comings of those discoveries.

@jamesginty6684

2 жыл бұрын

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube

@cpjds1

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesginty6684 Is there a comment you haven’t replied on? Lol…. I’ve watched it and I still really enjoy Meyer’s work.

@jamesginty6684

2 жыл бұрын

@@cpjds1 Meyer is a git

Thank the Lord we have brothers like Stephen, Nick, Frank Turek and Jim Wallace. (These guys are the mainstay of my KZread content!) 😂 > ✝️

I think that Dr Meyer made a great point, when he explained that taking the fall, or the curse as real history has much explanatory power, particularly in the area of 'natural evil'. IMHO we give away more than we realise when start 'allegorizing' scripture that wasn't meant to be.

@thegodlogic3844

2 жыл бұрын

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@anthonywhitney634

2 жыл бұрын

@@thegodlogic3844 God did not banish us to the earth, Adam and Eve were already on earth. They were just banished from Eden and the tree of life. Through them, sin and death was introduced to the world. We inherited their sinful nature, no one does not sin. We weren't anywhere before our current lives, Christians don't believe in reincarnation.

@jamesginty6684

2 жыл бұрын

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube

@HarryNicNicholas

Жыл бұрын

meyer is a fake, exposed as a fake many times

@anthonywhitney634

Жыл бұрын

@@HarryNicNicholas a fake what?

Thank you SO very much🙏🤍!! Det var väldigt intressant och hjälpsamt att höra den här videon. Jag är en "gammal tant" numera men det är så mycket jag känner igen😉😊!

Great to have Dr. Stephen Meyer on!

@jamesginty6684

2 жыл бұрын

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube

Glad to see Dr. Meyer on the channel. The first time I saw him was in a discussion about his book, "Darwin's Doubt." I was thoroughly impressed by his ability to challenge the idea of macro evolution, using sound logic and science.

@thegodlogic3844

2 жыл бұрын

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@jamesginty6684

2 жыл бұрын

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube

@HarryNicNicholas

Жыл бұрын

meyer is a fake ffs look him up.

At 10:42 when Dr. Meyer referred to his processing as “definitely neurotic” I felt that. Great interview!

@thegodlogic3844

2 жыл бұрын

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@jamesginty6684

2 жыл бұрын

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube

Great interview.

Dr. Stephen Meyer has such a beautiful mind and sweet spirit that it makes me want to cry. Thank you for this conversation. Dr. Jordan Peterson recently had Laurence Krause on his program. I think in the spirit of good dialogue and fairness he needs to have Dr. Meyer on. I think Jordan values all the questions and thoughts Dr. Meyer raises: psychological, spiritual, philosophical and pertaining to meaning. Could either you, Sean, or Stephen work to facilitate this?

@tonybasoni8443

2 жыл бұрын

JR,..... Sorry, but this guy is a horrible person. Science as it pertains to the cosmology of the world is 100% religion. It is a 100% antigod/antibible/antichrist religion. It is the false manmade religion of the Godless world. That is what this guy is selling. He is a deceiver and is snaring everyone into the worlds Godless atheist religion of scientism.

@julieredmond5192

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonybasoni8443 Your comment is incoherent. Just because Dr. Meyer is a Scientist he is a part of the Science/materialism cult religion? I agree that this religion is there, but I see zero evidence that he subscribes to their dogma. In fact, I see the opposite. You will have to provide evidence for your ridiculous statements.

@rejectevolution152

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonybasoni8443 False, my life with God started when i seen one of Meyers videos. I went down the rabbit hole and within 3 days had made up my mind and was completely convinced and devoted, faith so strong to the point of absoluteness. Long story short ive experienced a miracle first hand when i asked God to heal me for the first time after dealing with a bad disease for a year and a half that Drs had no answer for. Very next day it started to go away, slowly but surely 2 months later i was healed. In great physical condition and a devoted Christian, it all started when i seen one of his videos. Bad idea for you to reject christian scientist who are bringing in and strenghtening the faith of people at a different angle and putting in massive work. The battlefield has changed slightly but the goal is the same.

@tonybasoni8443

2 жыл бұрын

@@julieredmond5192 ,....Incoherent? Well, maybe to the spiritually dead and blind. This guy is has nothing to do with the God of the Bible, just the false manmade god of the God hating world. As I stated for your edification, he is selling a totally different religion to that of the Bibles Christianity. You have been deceived. Again, you see zero evidence because you are spiritually blind and do not have the ability to understand the Bible. You are only able to understand the lies and deceptions from the 100% apostate churches phony representatives. This man as well as all the churches preachers/teachers are of the Godless world, they are not of God and they are all selling the same atheist, false, manmade religion of scientism disguised as christianity.

@rejectevolution152

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonybasoni8443 Ok i get it, your an undercover atheist trying to divide in the comments section. Gotchya.

I'm very interested in Dr. Meyer's experiences, but being deaf, sadly disappointed because the captions only switch on near the close of the interview! Please fix this, for other deaf folk! GBY

Fascinating interview! Thank you for showing us how God can use philosophy and philosophical questions to draw people to Himself! (I personally was helped when questioning my faith, by CS Lewis’ Surprised by Joy’ to understand that doubt is not sin and philosophical questions are not a danger to our faith!). Yes Stephen Hawking came a few times to our St Barnabas Church in Cambridge UK (we were there between 2003-5), my husband who is a scientist was excited to see and greet him. Indeed he had a great mind but sadly got to the wrong conclusion. Now I want to explore more ID and be open to such discussions with people who do have a philosophical approach to life.

@jamesginty6684

2 жыл бұрын

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube

Both of these men agree that presupp and evidential apologetics are necessary, and are interacting. In fact, evidentialists always finally land on their presuppositions, and presuppositionalists cannot help but use evidence and argument in their apologetics.

Great interviewer, great interview

@SeanMcDowell

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Interesting thankyou!

@thegodlogic3844

2 жыл бұрын

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I am playing this video in the background while working...NOT a good idea! There are too many thought-provoking pieces to this discussion. I will need to watch this discussion later when I can focus on it. Fascinating!

@thegodlogic3844

2 жыл бұрын

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Saints

Jesus never said I’m a sinner that needed grace”

I wish that I had been mentored.

That is interesting. I also minored in philosophy, and my philosophy teacher was also a Dr. Krebbs, but it was a different Dr. Krebbs than the one Stephen had.

@hhstark8663

2 жыл бұрын

Krebbs? The same guy who discovered the Krebbs cycle? :) I am only joking.

Interesting point about Sartre about the finite and the infinite. What a peculiar and strange confession by Satre. But definitely supports the case for God and Christianity.

@thegodlogic3844

2 жыл бұрын

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2 Timothy 1:7😊

Ngl here but Dr. Stephens headphones are pretty cool

😊

Great interview!! Just question, where does the ecumenical part with catholics stand when they accept the pope and priests to forgive their sins and pray to Mary and sins as unto God. This is such an integral part of their catholic name

@geraldbritton8118

2 жыл бұрын

While important, perhaps that question is not a good fit when talking about Dr. Meyer's life and background.

Why is the sound on Sean’s guests always low?

It is definitely a challenge knowing when to keep your head down and when to speak up. The bias and censorship is extremely real and careers have been derailed for nothing more than interpreting the same data differently.

@hhstark8663

2 жыл бұрын

It is unfortunate that social and psychological conditioning is so strong. When a non-christian hears the word "christian" or "intelligent design" or "god", they immediately associate it with being ´irrational´ because that is what they have heard from their community, which results in confirmation bias and hyper-skepticism. (I have to admit that the polemics against intelligent design by my secular science-teacher did influence my perception of intelligent design. I got convinced by intelligent design by actually looking at the evidence, and looking past the polemics.) The most effective way would be to introduce concepts of god without using terms "chrisitan" or "Intelligent design" or "god". That way, the non-christian would look at the arguments and not the person. But it´s a balance, since sometime you need to introduce the word "christian".

@robertpreisser3547

2 жыл бұрын

@@hhstark8663 //The most effective way would be to introduce concepts of god without using terms “chrisitan” or “Intelligent design” or “god”.// It is literally impossible to do that. The polemics against ID prove that. Despite the fact that ID explicitly is not creationism, the scientific community and their popularizers in the media continue to mislabel it as “Intelligent Design Creationism.” No matter what label is used, and no matter how much one points out the differences, Naturalism’s defenders will simply relabel that as “Creationism” anyways. You could call ID “Common Sense” and they would still label it “Common Sense Creationism.”

Too late for your "best question contest", but I'd love to hear Steve's answer to this question: If you could sit down with any 5 people from history (and Jesus can't be one of them), from any category (Biblical character, philosopher, politician, military, political, medical, scientific, etc.) - 1) Who would they be and 2) What 3 questions would you ask each of them?

@thegodlogic3844

2 жыл бұрын

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Joseph Smith says he was 14 years old when he was having his existential questions that started his journey too.

@EssenceofPureFlavor

2 жыл бұрын

Okay?

@mayjohn1072

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah unfortunately Joseph Smith decide to listen to Satan appearing to him as an angel of light.

@garytolley4395

2 жыл бұрын

.... don't even go there

@123mneil

2 жыл бұрын

@@garytolley4395 ... Oh, but I already did. 😉

I think the epistemological argument doesn't have to posit that we have the gods-eye view. It is sufficient that we are able to grasp a model of the cosmos which is suitable to our place and function in it, which however broad is not coterminous with God's.

have you seen the logicked's video "Hello, My Name is Kent Hovind 4: The Texas-Sized Pig and the Hammer-Proof Cockroach" on youtube?

Hawking’s quote about the universe creating itself is the dumbest thing he ever wrote, only proving that highly intelligent people can still delude themselves quite easily. Maybe even more easily and thoroughly than less intelligent people can.

@hhstark8663

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Hawking tried to explain the universe without god, where he claimed that because of law of gravity, the universe would create itself. This is a huge and severe error on his part. It is a philosophical misconception since the laws are descriptive and cannot yield a cause. If the physical laws are prior to space, time and energy, which tablet are they written on? It still yield theistic implications.

@robertpreisser3547

2 жыл бұрын

@@hhstark8663 100% agree! And ironically even Hawking recognized that, given his question about what “breathes fire” into the equations. That was perceptive. Even if one were to adopt a Platonic view where mathematics exist in some mind-independent reality, that does not explain at all how they can create or cause anything else to exist. Now, I’m not a Platonist, I’m a Conceptualist, and so I think that the mathematics could have predated the universe…in the mind of God, who then breathed fire into the equations. But absent that Mind with causal powers, mathematics are causally inert. They can’t do anything but describe what already exists.

@thegodlogic3844

2 жыл бұрын

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@robertpreisser3547

2 жыл бұрын

@@thegodlogic3844 I did. Q1: The question runs deeper than that. The reason why God created anything at all is because Yahweh is a relational being. God is outwardly focused and desires relationships with beings that love Him as He loves them. Now, Adam and Eve were created and had a personal, intimate relationship with God. They had no concept of obedience or disobedience, because they had never disobeyed. There was literally nothing that they were not allowed to do, except for one specific thing: don’t eat of the fruit of one of the trees in the Garden. Their every need was taken care of by God, personally. They literally lacked for nothing: love, peace, security, companionship, health, food, etc. were all provided to them. Then the devil came along and deceived them into thinking that God had lied to them, and that God was holding some good thing back. Namely, the knowledge of good and evil, and that God was holding that back because God didn’t want them to be like Him. That was the central lie of the devil that Adam and Eve believed, and then chose to disobey. At that point, they knew first hand exactly what evil was: turning away from God. They knew they had broken the relationship with God. And breaking that relationship with God always, always carries consequences. In Adam and Eve’s case, they were then forced to live outside of God’s daily presence and provision and protections. They were cut off from the source of life itself, and so would no longer live forever. Adam had to get his food from the soil. Eve would experience childbirth for the first time, as now God began to unfold His REAL plan: to begin the long process of redeeming humanity and restoring us to the right relationship with Him. And so Adam and Eve had to have children, because they would no longer live forever. And those children, then, also started absent a relationship with God, unless and until they sought God out We are born with souls designed to be in an outwardly-directed relationship, our love and attention and affections flowing towards God, and then towards other people. However, we are born in isolation, with souls that are inwardly directed because we have not learned to love God and love others as ourselves yet. This is the source of every human being on Earth’s sin nature. Which leads to: Q2. God does not punish any person for Adam and Eve’s sin. That is directly contradicted by the Bible itself. Ezekiel Chapter 18 is all about God telling Israel to stop saying that. The entire chapter explicitly says that each soul will be judged only for what they have done with God in their own life. This theme is repeated throughout Scripture, especially in the New Testament writings of Paul. Paul makes it clear that people are not saved or judged based on genealogy-by anything they inherited or by who their parents were, etc.-but only on how they have responded to God’s revelation of Himself in their life. Christianity in general (and the Bible specifically) does NOT teach that people are condemned and judged guilty of Adam’s SPECIFIC sin. Adam broke the relationship with God, and the rest of us then experienced consequences, but those consequences are not judgement by God. They cannot be because they apply to guilty and innocent alike. For example, death. God in His wisdom knew that once mankind had chosen to use the freedom God gave us to choose to rebel against God, and to do evil things against His will, that harm would result. People would abuse their freedom to rape, murder, steal, and commit any number of heinous acts. And so people could no longer live forever in that state. Imagine a Pol Pot or a Hitler or a Stalin who literally would live forever. Imagine the lasting pain and suffering they could cause. And so one of the consequences of Adam and Eve’s decision to sin in the first place is that humanity now dies. But, that’s not the end of the story. God established death only temporarily. God did so both to establish limits on how long evil is able to thrive, but also so that God could become a man, then as a human being then live the perfect life in perfect relationship and obedience to God that we could not, and then die taking on the judgment and penalty for our personal disobedience and sins. All so that those who repent of our rebellion, turn back to God through faith in Jesus, can then once again have a fully restored, perfectly intimate relationship with God once again. And those who accept that free gift of God will then once again live forever with God, in the very close, personal, intimate, fulfilling relationship that God had intended all of us to have all along. But one which God didn’t want to force on us, but for us to willingly choose. And so this whole discussion is based on a potential misunderstanding of Christian theology. Mankind was created by a relational God who Himself exists as three persons in perfect intimacy in one being. That relational God then created the universe and directed the formation of living, conscious beings made in His image and endowed with the freedom to choose to love God or to rebel against Him. God’s love is so perfectly unselfish, perfectly other-directed, that God chooses not to force those creations to love Him, but leaves them free to choose on their own whether or not they want a relationship with Him. And for those who choose God, they will enjoy an eternal, personal, intimate, and fulfilling relationship with the creator who loves them perfectly and selflessly Himself. For those who do not, they are choosing to cut themselves off from the only source of life that exists, and so end up destroyed by their own choice. They don’t WANT to submit to God, or to live in a right relationship with Him, and God will not force them to do so. And so they end up destroyed by their own unwillingness to love and honor and serve God.

I'm glad I won "best question," but I was asking about scientists who enjoy not knowing what the basic fundamentals are. I didn't mean the scientists who don't think explanations are required, I meant the ones who like embracing the mystery. This would be the opposite of Dr. Meyer's testimony, where he said he was so fixated on knowing that he worried about his sanity.

@hhstark8663

2 жыл бұрын

Do not forget to send an email to: apologetics@biola.edu :)

@robertpreisser3547

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe I don’t fully understand your question. Do you think that accepting God as the ultimate answer means one has to give up on that sense of mystery or a desire to continue to figure things out? If so, that wasn’t true for Johannes Kepler or Isaac Newton or other scientists who knew that belief in God was just the STARTING point. Keppler I think said something like science is “thinking God’s thoughts after Him.” And so there seems to be a false dichotomy that says its either embrace the mystery and not know, vs. believe in God and give up on pursuing answers. Those are not mutually exclusive at all.

@rs5352

2 жыл бұрын

@@hhstark8663 - I did, but they never responded. ;o(

@rs5352

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertpreisser3547 - I'm all for theist scientists continuing to pursue the answers. I don't think accepting God means you're done. I guess I was just responding to Dr. Meyer's claim that this acceptance solved his "neurotic" (as he described it) appetite for having a foundation. Meanwhile Bryan Greene and Sean Carroll often say that not having that foundation still gives them meaning and fulfillment, even though the mystery of not knowing the source keeps them from having a foundation (or even thinking one is necessary).

@robertpreisser3547

2 жыл бұрын

@@rs5352 Okay, thank you for that clarification. There is some degree of personal sensibilities at play, here, I guess. I am the type that wants to understand how the TV remote works, and not just use it, while there are plenty of people who only care THAT it works not HOW. Probably the same amongst scientists who don’t really feel a need to have an answer even to life’s most important questions.

stephen meyer and sean? not freaking out...

Sean. Great interview but sadly can’t stand the vast difference in Steve’s audio level and yours. Please fix and repost

It sounds like Stephen almost became a Buddhist when he was a kid.

@robertpreisser3547

2 жыл бұрын

Buddhism does have a bit of truth, but the solutions it provides are ultimately self-destructive. Just like Hinduism will also teach that ultimately everything we pursue in our youth will eventually prove unfulfilling when we are older, but again their solution is nothing really matters. No false religion could ever flourish without having some truth in it.

@thegodlogic3844

2 жыл бұрын

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@thegodlogic3844

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertpreisser3547 Please answer the fundamental question on Christianity - kzread.info/dash/bejne/c5uM0bioc6bFlJs.html

@thegodlogic3844

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertpreisser3547 If there was a religion with maximum absurd doctrines in it - it would be Christianity. Islam has lesser doctrinal difficulties than Christianity. I am a Hindu. You told that Hinduism is a false religion. If Christian is a True Religion as per you, which has so many absurd doctrines, then as per that standard, Hinduism which has all reasonable and solid doctrines, will look different. I will encourage you to answer the most fundamental question given in below video. I will challenge all Christians to reasonably answer the below question Biblically kzread.info/dash/bejne/c5uM0bioc6bFlJs.html

@robertpreisser3547

2 жыл бұрын

@@thegodlogic3844 First, since you requested an answer to these supposed doctrinal “difficulties,” here is my response before responding to the Triumphalism in your post: Q1: The question runs deeper than that. The reason why God created anything at all is because Yahweh is a relational being. God is outwardly focused and desires relationships with beings that love Him as He loves them. Now, Adam and Eve were created and had a personal, intimate relationship with God. They had no concept of obedience or disobedience, because they had never disobeyed. There was literally nothing that they were not allowed to do, except for one specific thing: don’t eat of the fruit of one of the trees in the Garden. Their every need was taken care of by God, personally. They literally lacked for nothing: love, peace, security, companionship, health, food, etc. were all provided to them. Then the devil came along and deceived them into thinking that God had lied to them, and that God was holding some good thing back. Namely, the knowledge of good and evil, and that God was holding that back because God didn’t want them to be like Him. That was the central lie of the devil that Adam and Eve believed, and then chose to disobey. At that point, they knew first hand exactly what evil was: turning away from God. They knew they had broken the relationship with God. And breaking that relationship with God always, always carries consequences. In Adam and Eve’s case, they were then forced to live outside of God’s daily presence and provision and protections. They were cut off from the source of life itself, and so would no longer live forever. Adam had to get his food from the soil. Eve would experience childbirth for the first time, as now God began to unfold His REAL plan: to begin the long process of redeeming humanity and restoring us to the right relationship with Him. And so Adam and Eve had to have children, because they would no longer live forever. And those children, then, also started absent a relationship with God, unless and until they sought God out We are born with souls designed to be in an outwardly-directed relationship, our love and attention and affections flowing towards God, and then towards other people. However, we are born in isolation, with souls that are inwardly directed because we have not learned to love God and love others as ourselves yet. This is the source of every human being on Earth’s sin nature. Which leads to: Q2. God does not punish any person for Adam and Eve’s sin. That is directly contradicted by the Bible itself. Ezekiel Chapter 18 is all about God telling Israel to stop saying that. The entire chapter explicitly says that each soul will be judged only for what they have done with God in their own life. This theme is repeated throughout Scripture, especially in the New Testament writings of Paul. Paul makes it clear that people are not saved or judged based on genealogy-by anything they inherited or by who their parents were, etc.-but only on how they have responded to God’s revelation of Himself in their life. Christianity in general (and the Bible specifically) does NOT teach that people are condemned and judged guilty of Adam’s SPECIFIC sin. Adam broke the relationship with God, and the rest of us then experienced consequences, but those consequences are not judgement by God. They cannot be because they apply to guilty and innocent alike. For example, death. God in His wisdom knew that once mankind had chosen to use the freedom God gave us to choose to rebel against God, and to do evil things against His will, that harm would result. People would abuse their freedom to rape, murder, steal, and commit any number of heinous acts. And so people could no longer live forever in that state. Imagine a Pol Pot or a Hitler or a Stalin who literally would live forever. Imagine the lasting pain and suffering they could cause. And so one of the consequences of Adam and Eve’s decision to sin in the first place is that humanity now dies. But, that’s not the end of the story. God established death only temporarily. God did so both to establish limits on how long evil is able to thrive, but also so that God could become a man, then as a human being then live the perfect life in perfect relationship and obedience to God that we could not, and then die taking on the judgment and penalty for our personal disobedience and sins. All so that those who repent of our rebellion, turn back to God through faith in Jesus, can then once again have a fully restored, perfectly intimate relationship with God once again. And those who accept that free gift of God will then once again live forever with God, in the very close, personal, intimate, fulfilling relationship that God had intended all of us to have all along. But one which God didn’t want to force on us, but for us to willingly choose. And so this whole discussion is based on a potential misunderstanding of Christian theology. Mankind was created by a relational God who Himself exists as three persons in perfect intimacy in one being. That relational God then created the universe and directed the formation of living, conscious beings made in His image and endowed with the freedom to choose to love God or to rebel against Him. God’s love is so perfectly unselfish, perfectly other-directed, that God chooses not to force those creations to love Him, but leaves them free to choose on their own whether or not they want a relationship with Him. And for those who choose God, they will enjoy an eternal, personal, intimate, and fulfilling relationship with the creator who loves them perfectly and selflessly Himself. For those who do not, they are choosing to cut themselves off from the only source of life that exists, and so end up destroyed by their own choice. They don’t WANT to submit to God, or to live in a right relationship with Him, and God will not force them to do so. And so they end up destroyed by their own unwillingness to love and honor and serve God.

Google: Defending the Christian Worldview, Creationism, and Intelligent Design

@tonybasoni8443

2 жыл бұрын

OV,......Why?

@robertpreisser3547

2 жыл бұрын

Well, these are independently true about Dr. Meyer. But if the implication is Intelligent Design is the same as Creationism which is the same as Christianity is not true. All three are different things. There are non theists and non-Christians in ID, there are non Christian creationists, and so they are not at all the same thing (although one can indeed be all three).

@otangelosvlog8164

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertpreisser3547 The three is not the same thing does not mean, I cannot defend all three. That's what I do, and what my virtual library does. I am a Christian, a Creationist, and a defender of Intelligent Design.

@robertpreisser3547

2 жыл бұрын

@@otangelosvlog8164 Exactly! I think you are agreeing with me, since I thought I said the same. Wasn’t sure what your original comment was trying to say, but appreciate what you do! But to be clear, a Christian can be all three, while a Deist can only be one, and an Atheist one. The Christian worldview is wholly compatible with Christian Theism (obviously) as well as Creationism and Intelligent Design. Deism is compatible with Creationism (in some form) but incompatible with Christian Theism and with Intelligent Design. Atheism is ultimately only compatible with ID if some natural being can be proposed as the source of the information in life. Only the Christian Worldview is coherent across all three. But one can be a Creationist or an Intelligent Design theorist and not a Christian.

@otangelosvlog8164

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertpreisser3547 Atheism is not compatible with any, because in atheism, the source of all being is and cannot be intelligent. I have never seen an atheist proposing intelligence as source of existence. That would obviously have to be some sort of a God, which is in all definitions, intelligent. A-theism negates this.

Steven Meyer Bloopers. 😂

How does believing in 'God' change one? Isn't it enough to be good and kind?

@tombadil5164

2 жыл бұрын

How good and kind do you have to, or should you be? If there is no God whats the point of being either?

@rejectevolution152

2 жыл бұрын

Seek a relationship with him and you will find out. The foundation of that relationship is faith.

@growingmusician

2 жыл бұрын

Because believing in God actually gives an objective standard that tells u what good actually is.

@robertpreisser3547

2 жыл бұрын

Enough for what, exactly? Here’s something to think about: A rich man had two daughters, and lived in a mansion with many guest rooms, tennis courts, pools, etc. One day his doorbell rings, and there is a young woman there with suitcases at her feet. “It’s about time, now please let me in, these bags are heavy!” “Um, who are you, and why are you at my house?” the man asked in surprise, “I’m Charity. I’m good friends with your daughter Grace.” “Okay,” the man said. “I remember Grace mentioning you. But what are you doing here?” “I’m moving in, silly!” “Moving in?” “Yes! I thought since Grace and I were such good friends, that I should just come live here with her.” “Hmm,” the man said. “But you do realize this is my house, right?” “Of course! I’m not an idiot.” “Okay, then of course you realize that you would be living here not only with Grace, but with me, in my house, following my rules?” The woman looked a bit chagrined at this, then said, “Yeah, well, this house is so huge, you won’t even know I’m here, I’m sure. I’ll just stay out of your way.” “Sorry, but that’s really not good enough. I like to know those who are living in my house, and to have a relationship with them. Do you think that’s too much to ask?” “Well, I guess not.” “And Grace and I are not the only ones living here. I have another daughter, Faith, who lives with us, too. Do you remember her?” “Uh, no, not really.” “Well, she remembers you. She really wanted to be friends with you and hang out with you and her sister, but you never welcomed her, and let her know she really wasn’t welcome.” “Well….” “And when she was being teased by other girls, you and your friends did nothing to help her, did you?” “But we weren’t the ones teasing her!” “Yes, but you didn’t help her, either. She basically just wasn’t important to you either way, was she.” “Well, I don’t know what any of this has to do with my moving in with Grace. This is about my friendship with her, and has nothing to do with you, or with Faith.” “Oh really, even thought it’s not just Grace who lives here, and its my house?” “Yes! Isn’t it enough that I was good and kind to Grace? Now stand aside so I can start unpacking!” Would you let her in?

@winniecash1654

Жыл бұрын

Be good and kind for what? The sake of being good and kind? What happens when your good and kind is substandard to someone else's goodness and kindness? Who's to say someone else's goodness and kindness is on par with yours? You? What if your goodness and kindness really stinks? What if it's really great, but someone else denies it? What if you are the denier? Then what? Who is right and who is wrong? By whose standard shall we judge?

57:00 Dr. Meyer says that he is completely persuaded by free will defenses for the problem of human evil. I find it hard to understand how as sharp a mind as Dr. Meyer's could be satisfied with such arguments. I think that free will defenses are utterly useless, and frankly, insulting, since they attempt to solve the problem by pointing to the free will of the perpetrator, as opposed to the powerlessness of the victim. In the Problem of Evil, God is being asked to explain why he allows the child to be murdered, rather than answer for why he allows the killer to perpetrate the act. God's supernatural powers are certainly sufficient to so order the world that young children are never murdered, but for some reason, does not choose to do so. That is the Problem of Evil.

@somethingtothinkabout167

2 жыл бұрын

No God, no problem?

Steven are u denying what I did ?GOD

To me, I found this ID theology leaves the one's intellect fully ensconsed on the throne of control. A place where Scripture is selectively suppressed and manipulated. Empty. I've walked with the Lord since 74, largely due to ETDAV. I began to believe in the Authority of Biblical Scripture in 2008 finding poor answers in ID. I simply chose believe my KJV Scripture at that time. Respectfully.

Sean I’m not sure you should give best question prizes out unless you are able to start taking more questions than three. :)

have you check out "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" and "How Creationism Taught Me Real Science 44 Lucy" on youtube. they shows how ignorant .Casey Luskin and discovery institute is.

Sean, I have one request. Do not say, “Written by my father and I”. It is “Written by “My father and ME”.

@AviViljoen

2 жыл бұрын

Wrong.

@thegodlogic3844

2 жыл бұрын

Please answer the fundamental question on Christianity - kzread.info/dash/bejne/c5uM0bioc6bFlJs.html

@winniecash1654

Жыл бұрын

Written by me and my father. ?