Genius and contributions aside, I absolutely love this guy's personality, humor, and sheer humility. I myself feel compelled to recruit myself in this 40 year war lol

80% comprehensible input + 20% grammar & vocabulary review = success in language learning.

@arccosinusopinion2323

9 ай бұрын

More like 5 percent of grammar I would say

@sauceboss7165

6 ай бұрын

@@arccosinusopinion2323i agree, i cant imagine spending 20% of my time learning grammar.

@ramirodelcampo2531

4 ай бұрын

I think the success comes from the fact that you are getting comprehensible input, it means from that "80%". Grammar is not wrong, but it is not necessary at all. I've been learning french for 8 months and german for 3 years and I never glanced at a grammar book nor did ever vocabulary review and I can really see the progress

@compositeur8455

Ай бұрын

@@arccosinusopinion2323 You're going to waste a lot of time not knowing at least basic grammar. Immersion only works if you have a solid enough foundation in grammar/vocabulary though direct studying. Later on it becomes less valuable.

Stephen krashen is so brilliant, I feel emotional every time I listen to him.

I got better at English after reading manga. Since it took too long for me to get it on my native language, I'd find them easily online in English, even though couldn't get much of it at the beginning, it helped me a lot more than my actual class, it even made me become the best student! I'm doing the same for Chinese and Japanese and it's been doing really good too! :D Read comic books, manga and webtoons, those usually show a more natural kind of text, closer to daily life.

@samataldazharov8277

5 жыл бұрын

Hey, could you please share what sort of manga you were reading?

@rasibn

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the valuable advice!

@NicoleACottageWitch

3 жыл бұрын

I’m doing the same with comics and graphic novels for French and Arabic. It’s fantastic.

A good source in the US for graded readers with CD's (audiobooks) in French, Spanish, and German is Continental Book Company. If they're backordered with something you want, you can import it cheaply via AbeBooks (for single copies). CBC and AbeBooks helped me to raise my French conversational skills to the upper-intermediate (B2) level a couple of years ago, even though the vast majority of readers/audiobooks I read and listened to were labeled for A1 learners (low beginners). By the way, I added this video to my public YT playlist "Tips by others on learning foreign languages".

At 28:00, Krashen attempts to answer a question on how to convence teachers to accept the "Comprehensible Input" methodology. The best way to require teachers to listen to a few randomly chosen students to read a randomly chosen text from the text book a translate it to L1. They will realize that students cannot even give a semi-accurate L1 translation to a phase that uses the grammar form that the students learned last cycle. Teachers only hear, notice and identify output errors, so they focus their teaching on correcting output errors. They are blind to problems in comprehension.

a connection I never made before when listening to Krashen is that most of the studies he refers to are about building native language proficiency and the people he's addressing are people somehow worried native speakers won't improve at their native language. Which seems truly to be attempting to solve a problem that does not exist. 2nd language acquisition as adults, particularly distant 2nd languages, come with numerous additional challenges. Reading definitely builds vocabularly, but generally speaking we're quite bad guessers in a second language, we hear the language poorly, we unintentionally apply grammatical rules from our native ingrained language to the foreign, we are short on time and opportunity and therefore tend to rush, and we are bored by material that is conceptually too simple even if the vocabulary is at our level. So I'm glad we figured out how to learn our native language, that could have been bad! But I think aquiring a second language to close to the level of your native language is still something that is understudied and a vast majority do give up if they didn't start early in life, unlike your native language, which basically everyone except people who got isolated/ignored as babies/small children do well.

Just wanna push back a little on his point about ebooks, kindles etc. I make less than 30 k per year and live in NYC. That means Im poor and I have been for at least 25 years. Also everyone I know and associate with is below the poverty line. BUT, I bought a Kindle for a hundred bucks and it has changed my life for the better. After the initial purchase of the device, books cost about half the price of the physical copy, so obviously it’s much cheaper in the long run. To be clear, I will never stop reading and loving chunky books. But a kindle is a great conveniance. Finally, every poor person I know finds ways to buy “luxury items” (ps5, iphones, jordans) and if we want something we will buy it one way or the other. most people dont want to read. It’s not that the cost of eebooks are prohibitive

As a Chinese, I have acquired English, Manchu, German and a little Mongolian totally through the Comprehensibe Input approach. Listen and read and figure what the messages are.

@chocoflan6672

2 жыл бұрын

Hello may I know where did you get the mongolian content to learn?

My goodness, this video is packed with so much new information. Thank you for sharing!

My students are LOVING graphic novels! Thanks for your reflections, Dr. Krashen!

@user-gj4fu5ev5l

2 жыл бұрын

( 1 week 6 days out of 30 days ) Woah how that turned out? Are you still applying the same method again? 👀

@dutchbobson3183

15 күн бұрын

Any recommendations for French?

I remember that at high school I learned English by reading novels (one that I felt the most influence on my english was Dracula by Bram Stoker) but stopped when starting a college. Later I found that my writing at high school was better (full with phrases I read from the novels) than my writing at the college.

That's it. My life is devoted to this. This tyranny of study cannot continue

@futurez12

3 жыл бұрын

I know it's been 8 months but just continue regardless of how slow and frustrating reading/listening to stuff you don't understand. Look for sentences you can understand amongst all the fog and slowly, very slowly, it will gradually clear, until you can see everything. Trust the process.

I like his approach so much..

Www.sdkrashen.com for more research, articles and responses. Also www.ijflt.com. This was a live stream on our Facebook page , IFLT/NTPRS/CI Teaching -- not a webinar. Just an informal conversation in my kitchen. I’m glad so many people have gotten something from it. Regarding reading at the intermediate level, in our classes we teach reading and then let students choose their own books from our Free Voluntary Reading libraries. The Power of Reading shared a lot of information about how it works, too.

Important! The gratification never comes. It's not that there's two paths where one is better than another. I think this is because with improved rule learning there is improved knowledge of a vast network of rules which means more mistakes, more consciousness of making errors and also more consciousness of your home accent. For most people more learning leads to more awareness of deficiency. Therefore you never reach a goal and become discouraged and give up. The only thing to redeem skill-building is to be overwhelmed by enjoyable input. Eg falling in love with someone speaking the language, working in a country, finding lots of enjoyable literature. Delayed gratification means you'll never get there and feel bad about your abilities.

Stephen is now officially my new hero, alongside Noam Chomsky and Carl Sagan. Dyslexic people should all learn from him. I'd love to hear his take on Michelle Thomas' method because I found that very useful and I'm wondering if it's actually also acquisition, rather than skill development and if it could be improved upon by keeping to L2 throughout.

When it comes to language learning, I am only interested in e-books so I can import them into LingQ. You also have the option to copy and paste and save into notes and dicuss it with your tutor later if you wish. Some people want to lean with little or no cost, I am more interested in maximing my time spent, giving the best results.

I am the 2% who loves grammar and became a language teacher😂😂😂

I agree, but how does one implement this into a classroom setting? Those who implement this are better served by NOT going to school. Does this mean that we should eliminate 'teaching' in a classroom?

@SouthPark333Gaming

5 жыл бұрын

Pretty much, yeah

@narayana8249

3 жыл бұрын

I think the thing here is that language acquisition is somehow "different" to normal studies, since it's more about perfecting a system than really "learning" information. I learned Spanish as a second language in elementary school through middle school, where my teachers would only ever communicate in Spanish. My Spanish is definitely pretty good in terms of what I can accomplish with it, though I think the effects of that immersive environment are also dimmed a little bit by the fact that the students, me included, weren't interested and only wanted to speak English. It's definitely possible to implement school programs surrounded around the approach, but ultimately the students' interest is the most crucial thing in determining how their language learning ultimately ends up.

a lot of good inforemation

I learnt reading before school taught me with comics.

So in terms of the Ielts exam if I read one hour a day and am an Intermediate student, how many hours of reading do I need to get the 9 score of Ielts???? under the premise that one hr of reading daily for 3 years will give the highest but in Toeic

55 is the new 20

All of my Japanese friends were crazy about TOEIC. LOL

"Slowly achieving consciousness "

I have two questions: 1. What does "comprehensible input" exatly mean? I heard a number: 98% shall bring the best results. I think it means that you already know 98% of the words. But unknown words are very different. Some are derived from words you already know and understanding them is no problem. Others you can order in a category, for example: Somebody is tossed innocently into jail in the year 1785, and after staying a whole day without food he gets some bread, which is described as "musty". New word, but you have your expectations what this bread is like! So without knowing the word it's easy to see that's an adjective, describing bread that's in a bad state. By the way, that's a real life example. I typed this sentence into my vocabulary trainer because it had many new words and phrases I was interested in, and it turned out that this one sentence had at least 8 new words and phrases (okay, these were known words in new combinations). But when I read the sentence the first time I had a vivid Image of the scene! So, in my personal opinion, it *was* comprehensible for me, although the "98% rule" would say that it's much too difficult. For me, comprehensible is also about a "flow", when you are able to build expectations that help you understand what's going on. And I think that's not completely subjective, but about cultural knowledge and things like that. So - what means "comprehensible"? 2. Are there any researches about combinations of approaches? Because for me it seems obvious that reading novels *only* would hardly result in complete language skills, and *of course* theoretical grammar lessens wouldn't result in complete language skills. For me getting active, using the target language to express your ideas, is also necessary, and learning pronounciation by reading only would be... hm, very difficult. So I'm a little confused what's compared in the researches with what. Free reading in addition to normal lesson, which probably means more time spent at all? Free reading instead and no other lessons from day one? And if so, how do people who are learning Chinese or Arabic and yet don't know the letters manage it? I deem it impossible, but if anybody found a way, okay, I'm interested in. Because I'm already struggling with my first graded reader in Spanish, after three months Spanish on Duolingo. The level of the book is A1, but I'm A0,5 maximally, I think. In a bookstore I found nothing below A1. So is it necessary to have a certain level to begin with reading? Or: Wouldn't it be possible to make graded readers that can be used from day one, with images? But again: Read only???

@Tehui1974

3 жыл бұрын

Too long. Didn't read.

Maybe his books should be audiobooks as well...

WWW. What????????

Lady your wrecking the flow of conversation

I wonder if Dr. Krashen realizes that he serves as English compelling input for his listeners hahaha

Unemployed? Now even after retirement you are now considered unemployed. LOL

Teachers who teach grammar should be sentenced to five years in prison.

Don't mean to be rude, but is Stephen Krashen aware of the existence of internet and of how much time younger people spend online watching what they enjoy? Far more effective way of learning. He's kind of got stuck in 'the old days', as he calls them. He also seems to have spent his life trying to get his own back on the likes of Micheael Swan only because they've criticised him for saying that skill-building is totally ineffective, which is clearly untrue. The two schools of thought complement each other. One has to be narrow-minded to think that different methods cannot be used at the same time.