"suitable working age of 5 years old" - I never thought I would hear such a sentence lol

@SarcyBoi41

2 ай бұрын

Better get used to it, some politicians are openly talking about bringing back child labour lmaoooo 😭

@PerfectAlibi1

2 ай бұрын

@@SarcyBoi41 Some countries already have it... XD

@osirisjohnson5165

2 ай бұрын

You can do that in rimworld

@joev3783

2 ай бұрын

Ah yes my favorite game to play: "Is this a terrible person, or are they just playing stellaris?"

@SarcyBoi41

2 ай бұрын

@@PerfectAlibi1 Oh I know, that's where Elon Musk has all his manual labour done.

That's very awesome, thank you for letting us know we can properly be the Halo Top commercial's Rogue Servitor as a megacorporation, the borg, or members of the SCP Foundation's "Church of the Broken God".

@Iivaitte

2 ай бұрын

NGL that is exactly what Ive been thinking

As a megacorp player, I now have individualist machine empires early game that I don't need to purge in the name of trade value? I consider this a win

It never made sense to me why ALL machines were perfectly habitable everywhere. Dust clogs up ventilation, water rusts metal, and circuits need to be the right temperature to function. The adaptations machines need to function in a real environment are just different from biological life, not necessarily better. Of course, its not unreasonable that some machines might be specifically designed to be perfect at exploring hostile landscapes, but it seems equally reasonable that some machines might have designs that are super efficient in one environment but break down in another, and it would require a massive overhaul of the entire production chain and/or a total redesign of the robots in question to overcome this.

@grayfox6930

2 ай бұрын

exactly! we should be able to have different machine models built to inhabit their respective environments. mining droids built for desert planets, farming droids built for wet worlds for organic pops etc.

@alpacalover0

2 ай бұрын

​@@grayfox6930 With robomodding being available early on this will no doubt be very possible fortunately.

@felipebisi4145

2 ай бұрын

Well with Gestalt it shouldnt matter because you wouldnt really need population as full automation would be the norm

@bengunn9670

2 ай бұрын

Tbf machines are still much more durable. They don't get easily poisoned, rusting is much slower that scorches and necrosis, temperature gap is in hundreds degrees, not a couple dozen.

@CrabSpu

Ай бұрын

Idk made sense that they could just maintenance any and all issues away. They have loads and loads and loads less to worry about for "habitability" as a concept.

I like the idea of being able to tailor make robotic shells depending on the environment. Like a more industrial world would have a more robust and strong robotic frame. While something like an Ocean world would over fish/leviathan type creations. I also love the idea that we can just upload an entire consciousness to a Battleship. The Battleship itself is the shell housing someone.

I'm a main Machine player, and I'm very happy about individualist machines ! This is gonna add so much replayability !

Perfect. Imo the machines not being immortal may not make sense to some, but from a gameplay perspective this change makes alot of sense. Even conceptually honestly. Stellaris zoomed out, 100 years is a long time. Unless the machine is well kept up with (parts are replaced) they will eventually stop working. Markus alraedy stated that there will be traits that willl help with the *age* of the robot. Generally, a game lasts (on default) from 2200-2600. Thats 400 years and while there may be some machines that can make it that far (represented within leaders) all cannot. Change makes things make alot of sense and helps with gameplay.

@Khalkara

2 ай бұрын

Hard disagree. There is no gameplay benefit to having machine leaders' effective lifespan be reduce like this. That would only be the case if somehow having lvl 10 leaders for a long time ruined game balance (which it doesn't). And yeah it seems only logical that a *machine* empire will continue to replace parts of its machine leaders to keep them running indefinitely. Why wouldn't they?

@fistsofsnake5475

2 ай бұрын

@@Khalkara Various reason for not replacing parts of your leader. wanting to replace him is first that come to mind. Other could be lack of compability with newer parts, as I assume depends of type not all machine could just but they thinking unit in new body. Also something machine broke outside repair, like they procesor, electronic brain or whatever thjey have that make them 'them"

@Khalkara

2 ай бұрын

@@fistsofsnake5475 If you want to replace your leader, don't play gestalts. Its kind of their whole thing. And your possible explanations is supportive of keeping the random 10% chance, not for having a limited lifespan.

@fistsofsnake5475

2 ай бұрын

@@Khalkara it was you asking why would machines not replace part of they leader. Machines not player. So what are you about now?

@Gamerznation704

2 ай бұрын

@@Khalkara the thing is you can with leaders because (like they said) there can be traits and techs that expand that life span (which is essentially replacing parts) I am make a race from a biological standpoint that essentially live *forever* depending on what traits/techs/anoms I get, so now we can do the same as machine. Scaling wise, they said there was a 10% chance of them dieing and since that is gone now it's more like with bio's when you stack lifespan and they essentially don't die. It also makes actual immortality as a trait useful, and you can only get that a handful of ways.

This is a great step in the right direction of 'hard' sci-fi. Thank you! Hopefully machine empires will have enough unique traits to be interesting and have not been made too similar to bio builds. Referencing Montu's recent tier list video - will Species Traits get some kind of rebalance or overhaul? It's an essential element of base game Stellaris and it seems to me that @40-50% of "positive" traits are not beneficial. Base game Stellaris needs some love if we're going to add new players to the game. Ya'know, if someone casually picks up base game Stellaris to try out and finds this essential feature is full of less-than-helpful traits, those casual players aren't going to buy any DLC's. I don't like knowing that, outside of scratching any role-play itch, only a few Species Traits are worth selecting - that makes any species I create fairly repetitive. I'd like Species Traits that let me create a species that is more weird and unique. Thank you!

Can machines build ecumenopolies now? Particullary the virtual ascension machines

@heavylokhust8158

2 ай бұрын

If they can uhhhhhh holy shit virtual machines are gonna be fucking crazy

@finaldusk1821

2 ай бұрын

@@heavylokhust8158 Considering how their busted job resource bonus will quickly degrade and even turn into a harsh penalty if they control too many worlds; the tiny optimal world count for virtual machines might just balance things out. Hopefully...

@Bede__

2 ай бұрын

rogue servitors could always build Ecus

@kennyholmes5196

2 ай бұрын

Cybertron in a nutshell.

@Ltmime

2 ай бұрын

​@@Bede__ Never knew that :o, that being said rogue servitor is probably my least played machine "type"

Time to play as the geth

Will there be something like venerable for machines?

Looks awesome

Stellaris is on the way of becoming a warhammer 40k space geopolitic simulation with this. Also can we get some logistics update for space fights and adding a bit more flavour to space fights?

Parabéns pelo novo atualização, mas peço correção na organização dos nomes das frotas , porque quando aparece uma recuperada ou perdida, o nome desta aparece no meio das que já existem criando confusão.

I hope gestalt machines get some early game buffs if they are going to nerf habitability

Always glad to have a big update. I hope eventually we'll get a bit more focus on even more spy stuff and diplomacy (like trading planets with AI).

thank Grunstplayground Hail the Omnissiah!

I think a better mechanic for machine leaders would be upgrede/maintenance. At some point, be it random or planned, you will get a choice to scrap a leader or apend resources to fix/upgrade it, which will cause it to lose random traits and a few levels. Probably gain some new random too. So you might have the same old leaders, but after several upgrades they are like Ship of Thessious.

Is it or will it be posible to create a megacorp on sellin assimulation as a thing peopel need to buy?

I would love to know the release date so I can schedule my exitement accordingly.

@ThatGuyNicho

2 ай бұрын

Likely the Tuesday of the last week of April or first week of May.

I’m making the Mechanicus asap

Blessed is the machine 😊

Will the factions of an individual machine empire have a specific issue for a desired ascension path? For example, will Spiritual factions be happier if they were virtually ascended, will Materialistic factions be happier if they went down the Module ascension path, etc?

@finaldusk1821

2 ай бұрын

Well, we do know this much: Based on the onscreen tooltip at 0:41, the spiritualist machine faction wants to be ascended and is not picky about what kind of ascension you grant them.

@alpacalover0

2 ай бұрын

​@@finaldusk1821 None of the options scream any ethic in particular so it makes sense.

yes all fine and interesting and whatever WHAT DOES HORIZON NEEDLE DO TELL US

@DEADGAMESINC

2 ай бұрын

It penetrates your wallet at FTL speed and sucks all the money possible with this small black hole in the rear

@finaldusk1821

2 ай бұрын

According to the dev diary schedule, you'll either have to wait until the 11th of April when the devs cover the new endgame crisis, or the 18th of April when they cover the new player crisis. The Horizon Needle is almost certainly one of those, and I suspect from the trailer that it's the player crisis.

give us the ability to use the caravaneer shipset

THE MACHINE SPIRITS ARE GLEE WITH JOY!

Would be really nice if y'all would also upload soundtracks from trailers as well

i was hopping for stage evolution for all portraits . not having that kinda limits the game

when dlc for this game on xbox going on sale?

Thats nice, but WHEN!!!!

Any chance of implementing a more interesting private sector like Distant Worlds?

I'm so glad machines aren't living forever and having habitability to everything it feels a lot fairer for everyone else now 🥰

@CrabSpu

Ай бұрын

Part of the fun was that dynamic between machine and biological... now they're just basically the same as any bio race

@CrabSpu

Ай бұрын

Is it "unfair to everyone else" that barbaric despoilers enslave your pops? That fanatic purifiers destroy other empires?

@shroom8511

Ай бұрын

@@CrabSpu the fun was and is always there through the roleplay aspect, having all machines be the same eternal extremely durable was never fun for me to play with and against, now they can be played in a plethora of ways and I'm all for it x

Machine ship set ?

The new habitability limits and lifespan changes will make playing machines way more interesting and slightly more challenging too. Take this from a machine enthusiast, I am grateful for these changes, the nerfs included (and obviously for the individualistic machines too)!

@Lukashoffmann94

2 ай бұрын

Did machines ever get anything other than nerfs though? Habitability was the last real advantage of ME‘s over organics. Now it looks like there will be no reason to ever pick gestalt machines. Organics, or individualistic machines will be far stronger.

@schwingedeshaehers

2 ай бұрын

DA doomsday, lithpoid second? and the reason why they are strong is, that you need to manage less resources. @@Lukashoffmann94

@finaldusk1821

2 ай бұрын

​@@Lukashoffmann94 Gestalt machines still have better habitability and lifespan than most. Plus increased influence, stronger encryption, and less war exhaustion for being gestalt (so only rivalled here by hive minds). PLUS the machine intelligence authority giving faster pop assembly, a free pop per colony, less empire size from pops, and more mining station output, in addition to exclusive civics... I'm not seeing how there will be "no reason to ever pick gestalt machines".

@Lukashoffmann94

2 ай бұрын

@@finaldusk1821Maybe as servitor, or assimilator, but basic ME is even more in the gutter than it already was. Also don't even start with valuing ethics or empire type that highly. f. authoritarian + another ethic is easily on par with gestalt and the empire type comes with its own downsides. Or is having to pay for pop growth/assembly, having the most expensive colony ships, the most expensive star bases and having no organic growth suddenly supposed to be an advantage? Just look at the new individualistic machines. They get trade, factions and happiness for only having to pay cg upkeeep. Currently there is literally no reason not to pick them over gestalts.

@finaldusk1821

2 ай бұрын

@@Lukashoffmann94 Shall I keep going? Not having to worry about trade (i.e. piracy) or happiness (i.e. unrest), no consumer goods or food freeing up worlds to either cancel out the high energy / alloy needs or make other stuff, maybe exclusive access to machine worlds and mechromancy (will happily admit I'm wrong if this changes), civic selection that isn't littered with restrictions, long lifespans and a decent habitability floor everywhere... Again, "NO reason"?

Can finally pray to the machine spirit!

Will this also be coming out for console players?

finally i always wanted a machine Trade Cooperation that dominates the entire galaxy

damn

fianlelly the robots get the feels

I’m PRAYING that we won’t need the DLC for non gestalt machine empires

the thing that bugs me is the robots can die of age now to me that doesnt fully make sense especially for leader bots youd think they just replace any parts that get old and the parts that arent replaceable i think would last longer than 100 years

@finaldusk1821

2 ай бұрын

@@ruslancelins1851 Those positives are reduced but they are still strong and far from gone. Being able to settle any world somewhat comfortably in a pinch, and having leaders that far outlive typical organics (therefore being more skilled at their peak) is nothing to scoff at, and at least requires SOME effort on the machine player's part instead of ignoring those mechanics outright.

@cancarmine4327

2 ай бұрын

The thing is Robots will naturally live until 100(But can live beyond) and start between 2-10 most likely giving them at least 90 years and that's at the start of the game. Technology isn't supposed to be super advanced for your civilization in the beginning and over time you can get techs for increasing robot lifespan balancing it to how biological empires have it.

@schwingedeshaehers

2 ай бұрын

10% death chance for each 10 years mean 100 years to life, but no way to tell how long for a specific one. i think to age until 100, and then a lower change then normal bio is better

@DiocletianLarius

2 ай бұрын

I guess it depends on the type of robot headcanon you have, I don't think my PC would survive 100 years, and if I change all their parts would still be my PC? Ship of Theseus-type of deal. It would make sense if the robots were made of living metal or something like that, and I do believe superadvanced robots would never even need to improve or replace their parts, but as the other guy put it: our empires aren't supposed to be that advanced on the early game, so it makes sense you now need to research 10000 thousand techs or unlock some new tradition to achieve such "immortality". Same thing with habitability, it doesn't make sense to have an "aquatic" robot being able to survive the driest planet in the galaxy.

I don't like the idea that machines can die of old age. I hope the reflavor it being replaced with newer models or something.

Dying machines and more micromanaging… It should be a option! Gestalt machines was my go to for peace of mind, they were different. Now its getting more and more similar..😢

....the Langourous Aeviternity Collective appreciates the intel...

What's the current state of habitats? I remember that I stopped playing because the AI mass spammed them over the whole empire which made war extremely slow if one decided not to genocide everything

@regal_eagle717

2 ай бұрын

Not sure when you last played, but in the current version of the game, there can only be a single habitat in a system. The days of the AI spamming 6-7 habitats per system is over. They do still often fill many of their own systems with a habitat, but it is much more manageable now imo.

"There is no master but Master, and QT-1 is His prophet"

And here was I complaining that machines cant colonize barren or frozen worlds.

This is wonderful and all, but please do something with endgame performance. It’s impossible for long play👨🏻‍💻 I’m so tired looking for some Vasya made solutions on internet

machines should not die.

>Individualistic Machines Man, this is what we need. Machine empires that don't follow the hivemind mentality and instead behave like an actual sentient being.

finally I can pray to the Omnisiah....the flesh is weak

What does Gestalt mean?

@gehteuchnixan8256

2 ай бұрын

Kind of a hive mind, like the borg, no civil culture goods, no happiness or disappointment, just mindless drones doing as they were ordered.

@finaldusk1821

2 ай бұрын

It broadly means: "Something greater than the sum of its parts". Consider ALL the parts that make up your phone or computer. On its own, each part is a useless bit of metal or plastic . But if combined correctly, they enable near-instant communication over vast distances and can access the vast resource of the internet. Add all the parts separately and they're nothing special; combine them properly and they're become something amazing, hence the phone is 'gestalt'.

@martinrichter9694

2 ай бұрын

@@finaldusk1821 thank you very much for your explanation, Im a native speaker in German and "Gestalt" mean entity/shape, which confused me

Will there be machine psionics?

@DiocletianLarius

2 ай бұрын

??? You tin cans don't even have a soul!!

@finaldusk1821

2 ай бұрын

If the devs were going to include that, they would have brought it up when covering the new machine ascension paths, and they didn't. Probably for the best that organics have some ascension paths all to themselves, since machines will soon have three exclusive options.

@DiocletianLarius

2 ай бұрын

Toasters don't have souls >:(

@CrabSpu

Ай бұрын

You're unfunny and all over this comment section supporting unfun nerfs. You are the bane of my gaming experience and the reason I hope for a mod that just let's me play my machines again. Fuckin hell not like hab matters for bios once you start diplomacy, you colonize every yellow or better anyways and the few left can be terraformed by like 2240-2250...

I hate the immortality change a lot, at least give us some ability to "repair" them when they're going to age as machines can realistically just replace parts.

@alpacalover0

2 ай бұрын

Sometimes critical parts break down that aren't readily available or would be fatal to try and remove for replacement. Do you still have your first ever computer with modern parts installed?

@syos1979

2 ай бұрын

@@alpacalover0 Counterargument: Wouldn't you just be able to transfer the data from the computer if you knew it was on it's way out? Is there any reason to believe consciousness and memory would not work much the same?

@alpacalover0

2 ай бұрын

@@syos1979 Hard drives can often start to fail over time themselves, and data can become fragmented and begin to decay. In our world we generally keep many backups of digital records and physical ones as well due to this, but it takes a lot of effort to back up a significant amount of information. It's possible that whatever holds the consciousness of the Machine is difficult to properly back up, though I imagine we'll see something regarding that as Synthetic Ascension and the new Machine Ascensions apparently will reset your leaders' ages when you take them. Virtual leaders will be wholly immortal fortunately. It might be possible that we get techs allowing for this but with some great cost. With the new Habitability changes, it seems Machines now are at a more primitive level given that Synths by 2200 wouldn't fit with the idea of everyone being around the same level at the start in Stellaris. Machines no doubt are being intended to start on an even footing but with different skills compared to organics now, and biological immortality never happens for these species...

@CrabSpu

Ай бұрын

It just seems strange that species MADE OF METAL AND SYSTEMS suffers from the same pitfalls as flesh and mind. It doesn't make any sense. Being created as sentient machines already means your precursors were superbly advanced!!

My favorite thing about being a Machine empire is the 100% compatibility on all planets (and not having to deal with trade or factions). Are these new degradations in Machines only if I get the new Machine Age DLC or are they being incorporated into the base game? In other words can I keep things the way they are as long as I don't buy this DLC?

@finaldusk1821

2 ай бұрын

As long as you're still playing as a gestalt machine, trade or factions are still non-issues. But the habitability and lifespan changes are coming to all machines in all versions of Stellaris, so you'll actually have to consider those systems in future machine playthroughs (albeit still with a strong advantage over nearly all organics in both fields).

@DiocletianLarius

2 ай бұрын

I think the changes are for all players, but I'm sure there would be mods to revert those things

Great, but please, not 30€ expansion....stay around 25 or less plz...

It was an welcome lookout, as I was always disappointed from being cut-off to gestalt as a robotic species, especially as there are these ancient robotic refugees servants and if you enhance your species from biological to machines, you still can be many things... but machines from the beginning, (almost) just one possibility. Enjoying to seeing your faces... actually, no. No offense, but I don't really care about the companies employees private details, if your humanoid or a time-travelling, super-intelligent space dog from Jupiter. Maybe I'm just too misantrophic. Just keep on the good work and I will furthermore love the game, even if it's devour more and more of my money 😆

@CrabSpu

Ай бұрын

Well believe it or not creator's enjoy talking about their work because they (the human) are proud of it

Psionic machines when?

Yeah a little bit irritated about these changes

I have literally zero understanding of what this is harder to understand than pocket trading crypto

It makes sense that individualistic robots have a limited life span because of ethical concerns of replacing all their parts.

Could you guys stop lying in your video? Going from ~940 year lifespans to 100 is not an „UPGRADE“.

@schwingedeshaehers

2 ай бұрын

10% per 10 years is around 100, or? how do you get 940?

@daniels1214

2 ай бұрын

I had a lot of machine leaders who survived up to 280-350 years during a game. This is a major nerf to all the machine gamers across the globe.

@schwingedeshaehers

2 ай бұрын

@@daniels1214 but you hab also many that died with 30-60

@Lukashoffmann94

2 ай бұрын

@@schwingedeshaehersBecause it is not 10% per leader, but per empire. We currently loose a single leader every 100 years on average. Even with only 3 leaders employed at the same time, we already get an average lifespan of 200 years per leader (100, 200 and 300 respectively). With Syncronicity halving that chance, we are already at 400 years with 3 leaders and this just goes up with your leader count. 6 == 700, 9 == 1000, etc The 940 years was just the old number pre leader rework. All in all the 100 years PER LEADER is a massive downgrade.

@Lukashoffmann94

2 ай бұрын

@@schwingedeshaehersYou are already unlucky, if you get that event 3 times in an average game. With syncronicity we are looking at an average of 200 years per trigger.

Hhhmmm, nerfing research and now nerfing robots, why are they destroying fun? Don’t get me wrong robots have always been powerful, but they are not as they once were. Still buying dlc, just to take a look and give it a try, you never know might be fun, the new civics and origins better be good.

Machine Habitability, well, talk about horrible ideas... oh wait, it gets worse *eyes Machines no longer being Perfect Immortal Machines* really guys?

@aidynhurley

2 ай бұрын

Bros mad machines got realistic

@Pixx2266

2 ай бұрын

@@aidynhurley Realistic? The whole point of machines is that they don't age aka DIE OF NATURAL CAUSES. As if not every scifi trope about becoming machines isn't about immortality......

@SlayXemnas

2 ай бұрын

​@@Pixx2266You're right, if it was realistic machine leaders would break after 4 years, right after warranty run out.

@EternitynChaos

2 ай бұрын

@@aidynhurley I'd be far less mad if machines could set specific chassy setups for each job, you know, specialized bots for jobs, I'd like the perks for machines if I'm going to suffer from these nerfs because some one wanted to play one of the origins machines previously couldn't use

@finaldusk1821

2 ай бұрын

I for one welcome our rebalanced machine overlords, and look forward to actually having to make interesting choices about which worlds to settle first, as well as when to invest in habitability modifications and lifespan upgrades. The new machines will retain their edge over organics in those fields without being able to ignore them altogether, therefore making them less repetitive or bland to play as.

“Pay 20$ for a dlc you already own” is this destiny 2 or stellaris?

@heavylokhust8158

2 ай бұрын

Uhhhhhh I don’t think so really you may have missed the point

@finaldusk1821

2 ай бұрын

Maybe, but the machine changes for habitability and lifespan are coming free of charge to all versions at least. And as a machine enthusiast, I am REALLY looking forward to those changes, the nerfs too honestly.

@doomslayer8025

2 ай бұрын

@@finaldusk1821wow so it’ll ruin my past dlc for free? So worth it

@schwingedeshaehers

2 ай бұрын

@@doomslayer8025 then just play the old version

@DiocletianLarius

2 ай бұрын

But she's got a new hat!

We can make cybertron!