Unbelievable , I didn't know that crossings like this existed without barriers.Great video as well.

@ReedoRailways

4 жыл бұрын

The crossing is perfectly safe if and only if the road users stop when the light sequence initiates and the train drivers stick to 5mph speed limit. Network Rail are replacing most (if not all) Automatic Open Crossings on the national network, however this one is on a Heritage Railway and therefore Network Rail have nothing to do with it, there is a plan for a closure later in the year to upgrade this crossing but what that will actually entail I'm not sure, whether it will go ahead I guess is also in doubt at moment with this pandemic in progress.

@vastjonea

7 ай бұрын

@@ReedoRailwaysit never happened

@xr6lad

6 ай бұрын

You shouldn’t need barriers. You’re driving a CAR! The big red flashing lights right in front should be a clue!

@skoot2u

6 ай бұрын

@@xr6lad Obviously , but it's not just about cars is it , what about kids on bikes , old people etc.If people didn't take chances we wouldn't need 1000's of miles of galvanised fencing on the railways..Anyway I was merely saying that I didn't know that crossing like this still existed in this health and safety age

@markknight1011

6 ай бұрын

@@skoot2uRed means STOP, regardless of who you are.

When the amber 'stop' light light first showed, the car in front of the tractor had enough time to stop. (You are only allowed to proceed on amber if it would be unsafe to stop). The tractor had more than ample time to stop and, in fact, passed the lights when the red lights were flashing. The guy in the tractor must have some kind of death wish. Either that or he thinks his piddling little tractor would come off best in an argument with a damned great A4 steam loco.

@JelMain

6 ай бұрын

This is why the medics have a code for the slow-witted, NFN. Normal For Norfolk. Ain't never seen a train before.

@MervynPartin

6 ай бұрын

@@JelMain Very true. Unfortunately we were instructed not to write that in patient notes any more, even though we had quite a few NFN.

@neiloflongbeck5705

6 ай бұрын

​@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOneget called racist much?

@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne

6 ай бұрын

Occasionally. Generally by people with little or no life experience, or by people who don't see the truth. Try researching the number of times tractors have been hit by trains where it is the tractor drivers fault (100% of the time) then see the drivers surname. It doesn't take a genius (you're clearly not one of those) to work out the surname is an Eastern European one. Sorry if this doesn't fit your narrow thinking ability but you cannot hide the facts. @@neiloflongbeck5705

@YoLo-bb2vc

6 ай бұрын

@@neiloflongbeck5705 get called an idiot much? an eastern european would probably know what there version of a crossing means but we have a different system so chances are if they are eastern european they probably dont know that an amber light then red means stop your going to end up going to god in the next 5 seconds. it doesnt take much effort to think that perhaps he/she was being rude not racist.

I never get tired of seeing these beautiful magnificent engines working. It's also good to see the old British Rail carriages went to a good home.

@lloyd9710

6 ай бұрын

A lick of paint won’t go amiss

Funny how 2 drivers didn’t see the lights, hear the buzzers and whistle, or notice a 130 ton engine (that’s on fire) approaching? Just imagine if that Bugatti front end got bent! 😱

@YoLo-bb2vc

6 ай бұрын

it be the best end to the most expensive pile of mobile aluminium foil!

@ForburyLion

6 ай бұрын

Can accept not hearing the buzzers or whistle since deaf people are legally allowed to drive, likewise not seeing the engine because it's off to the side but yeah ignoring the lights which are there to warn you of this is inexcusable. I do wonder if people new to the area might be expecting a barrier to come down and by there not being a barrier, they incorrectly assume it is safe to continue and ignore the lights?

@samuelmelton8353

6 ай бұрын

@@ForburyLion If they can stop for traffic lights, then there's no reason why the- Wait, never mind. i see it was a BMW driver

@djdaz72

6 ай бұрын

I’d be more concerned if the locomotive got damaged

@765NKP

6 ай бұрын

The locomotive didn’t have its lights on.

Those lights turned on so late I thought they were broken at first, yes the drivers are at fault.

@billharrison7010

6 ай бұрын

Not when its an AOCL low speed Xing

@Simulacrum84

6 ай бұрын

Yeah they lights are late though. There was 4-5 seconds from them flashing red until the train was on the crossing

I cant believe people would rather get hit by a train and die than wait for a few seconds what this world turning into

@krakenpots5693

6 ай бұрын

Into what it's always been, my friend... world only turns one way, and that's back around on itself! The difference now being that you are now more likely to survive these errors in judgement, and spread them on social media...

Thank God No. 9 wasn't damaged!

@steamfandan9682

6 ай бұрын

At least she can stay safe now

People commenting that the barriers should come down earlier. There is only about 20 seconds before the barriers come down at 85mph AHB (Automatic Half Barrier), crossings. The lights will come on 10 seconds before that. (Ex Bournemouth & Salisbury driver. I have driven over many level crossings over the years and it tends to be pedestrians that misuse them the most).

Those lights needed to come on a lot earlier only 20 second before trains arrival

@beeble2003

6 ай бұрын

You can see the 5mph speed limit sign for the railway before the train comes. Based on the time the locomotive took to pass the signpost at the left of the video frame and the locomotive's length, it appears to be doing 10mph. So, yes, the road traffic should have had about twice as much warning.

@bobwright-st5hd

6 ай бұрын

28 seconds is the norm

@edwardmeakes1284

6 ай бұрын

​@@beeble2003in the rulebook it states the speed is 5mph onto the crossing then accelerate up to line speed once on the crossing

@beeble2003

6 ай бұрын

@@edwardmeakes1284 OK, that's important information. I don't think it's possible to accurately measure the speed of the train before the crossing from the video. However, I will say that you can see the locomotive's coupling rods glinting in the light and it doesn't look to me like the train accelerates significantly as it crosses the road. In particular, if it accelerates from 5mph before the crossing to 10mph as it passes the camera, the driving wheels should be spinning twice as fast as they were before the crossing. To me, they look as if they're rotating at about the same speed throughout.

It's in Dereham, what would you expect!

Oh hell, I remember driving at that level crossing with my mum before.

Came here looking for misuse of a steam train, as the title says. I thought how can you misuse a steam train?

That 's the first level crossing under a bridge I've seen, maybe the only one in the country. I'm surprised that there was a couple of AC coaches on the train, it must have been stifling inside them.

Finding the brake pedal is clearly impossible for some people.

@rat_king-

6 ай бұрын

That's what the throttle is for.

The cossing is under the A47 trunk road. There is another crossing just before this one out of view, both ungated.

With a busy road like that, you'd think they would have gate/barriers to stop oncoming traffic

@widodoakrom3938

6 ай бұрын

True

@InverhavonRailways

6 ай бұрын

Probably no room for lifting barriers because of the bridge. Drivers still at fault though.

@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis

6 ай бұрын

Perhaps a sliding gate would be possible.

This train is a beauty ❤

Another great Sir Nigel Gresley design, sister to the Mallard and others.

that OH MY GOD was epic very cool machine

Forget the crossing, it`s the vintage locomotive that`s the star of the video.

I always feel like more people need to understand that a train WILL fuck you up if it hits you.

i have not seen that train in over 20 years it use to run on the seven valleys railway back in 2002

That Should Be A AHB

OH MY GOD! my thoughts exactly

This is Dereham isnt it? I recognise the bridge. I go to work there sometimes yet never realised there wasn't anything that comes down when the signal lights activate

@tsd550

3 ай бұрын

Location: MWCX+WXM Dereham

I didn't think any mallards were still operational, awesome

God those lights activated very late they should have activated a lot earlier and also this is why barriers should be used at level crossings

@nbc_uk

6 ай бұрын

No, they worked exactly as they should.

What would happen if the A4 was thundering down the line instead of the leisure stroll it was on?

@derektaylor2941

6 ай бұрын

What if your sister had bollocks? She'd then be your brother.

I swear they should just replace these with regular traffic lights. People seem more like likely to obey them.

that has got to be the most dangerous crossing in the UK

You know that really scared me when that tractor pulled out on front of the engine.

Tractor could of been another Titfield incident . Seems like the treadle which is set on the inside of the rail flange in advance so as to activate the sirens and lights by first axel of the train , should be placed way further in advance . Great capture .

@ReedoRailways

6 жыл бұрын

Actually the reason the lights seemed to start so late was due to the fact that the train was speeding as their is a speed limit of 5 MPH over both of the LCs and their is no way that that train was doing 5 Mph. I also think that this crossing should be upgraded to at least ABCL (Automatic Barrier Crossing Locally Monitored).

@Richardsrailway

6 жыл бұрын

Reedo Railways as a crossing keeper I always Made sure the crossing was always clear before I pulled off the protecting signals . This is a very dangerous crossing and I’m baffled as to why network rail have down graded the crossing with the amount of traffic .

@ReedoRailways

6 жыл бұрын

This isn't on the national network, this is part of The Mid Norfolk Heritage Railway. Also this is an Automatic crossing so doesn't have any protecting signals, only an indicator so that the train crew know that the crossing has initiated and the lights are flashing. There was a plan to add half barriers here but unfortunately they don't have sufficient funding.

@Richardsrailway

6 жыл бұрын

Reedo Railways doesn’t matter , it’s an operational railway that is running just as that . Like most things , it will take an incident to happen to implement a reaction and things put in place . If it carries the public and crosses a busy road 5mph or no 5 mph , at least have AHB’s or relevant safety measures in place . I’m all for heritage railways , but safety should always be number one .,Road users however should know better not to stop in the yellow box , maybe advance traffic lights need to be petitioned for to the local council . ?

@nbc_uk

4 жыл бұрын

@@Richardsrailway The crossing was put in by British Rail and, therefore, has grandfather rights. It is also fully safe if road users drive according to the law (and train crews follow speed limits).

BMWanker, what a surprise. Also looking at 60009, shes beautiful, but her fate makes me so sad :(

@lesigh1749

6 ай бұрын

I'm sure it will get a new boiler and be back in steam again one day. it's just doing static museum duty like Mallard for a few years.

Why level crossings need barriers. Did this video get shown to the local council after this? I think it'd be pretty powerful evidence for lobbying for gates!

That is by far the most atrocious noise I've ever heard as a crossing. The fact that no drivers heard it baffles my mind.

@seansean9675

6 ай бұрын

OH MY GOD

Those crossing lights look similar to those in Eire , pity there are no Barrier Arms ( Gates ) as they say in America. Doesn't look like too much road courtesy, whats that the tractor driver says ! Thanks for the video 😄👌👍🍻

Which Railway is this on btw great video mate 🔥🇬🇧👍

@tsd550

3 ай бұрын

Location: MWCX+WXM Dereham

Beautiful train. I think I have miniatures (00 guage railway) of these carriages. Why on earth aren't there any barriers to stop the cars I mean this is a death trap. Or perhaps route the cars around the train so they're not going across each other?

Are the MNR ever going to upgrade this crossing? The road is far too busy to have just lights and sirens and overhaul the entire circuit which operates the crossing.

@stoatrepublic

5 жыл бұрын

As a local I must say its absolutly fine as it is, lol.

@nbc_uk

4 жыл бұрын

@@stoatrepublic As another local, I agree. If road users are incapable of responding to lights and sirens they must find regular light controlled junctions and pedestrian crossings impossible. It is they who need to hand back their driving licenses and start again, not the railway. However, the MNR are upgrading this in the near future - so I assume that Cakeski will be making a suitably large donation?

@beeble2003

6 ай бұрын

@@nbc_uk Ultimately, I agree. Problem is, though, that pretty much every other level crossing in the country teaches you that there's about two minutes between the lights starting to flash and the train coming.

@nbc_uk

6 ай бұрын

@@beeble2003 National standard is 28 seconds, I believe. Brandon is an exception - and one that lowers far too early, encouraging numpty pedestrians to jump the barrier.

@beeble2003

6 ай бұрын

@@nbc_uk No, it's much longer than that. For mainline crossings, the crossing must be visually confirmed as clear before the signals can be cleared to allow the train to approach. That means the gates have to early enough than the train has time to stop if there's a vehicle trapped by the gates. Two of my routes home from work pass go over level crossings and you can easily be waiting five minutes if there's a train coming in each direction.

Here's a scenario - You don't see the lights because you're following a big bus or truck and you hear a steam train whistle which drowns out the sound of the level crossing - Are you going to know that's the sound of a train because, not everyone has seen or heard a steam train whistle before. Maybe they need a Horn instead of a Whistle for these type of crossings?

@tsd550

3 ай бұрын

Have a look at it on street view, there is plenty of warning of the level crossing: MWCX+WXM Dereham

Everyone blaming this on a BMW driver but it's Norfolk, they're all in a hurry to get back home to their wife-sisters.

A very old film. Automatic barriers are mandatory now, even on the smallest crossings, sometimes operated by a treadle for the minor crossings.

@57thorns

6 ай бұрын

At least not in July 2013 according to Google Street view. I have no idea what "South Africa" does in the title as this i in Dereham, England.

@paulharrison6385

6 ай бұрын

Name of the loco

@57thorns

6 ай бұрын

@@paulharrison6385 Ok, my confusion there. But there are still no barriers at that crossing in July 2023.

@darren25061965

6 ай бұрын

@@57thorns Name of the Locomotive.

@voidjavelin23

3 ай бұрын

​@@paulharrison6385 union of south africa

Thank God the train was not going faster! Wow.

@michaelgoulding6609

Жыл бұрын

yeah, cos the front of the steam train mite of been damaged

@kishascape

6 ай бұрын

That's the set speed limit for visibility and light timing. It's all planned.

And did you send this video to the police?

Great scot!

Not much headway between activation of the lights and the train crossing.

@nbc_uk

6 ай бұрын

Plenty enough if motorists can drive.

Absolute disrespect to the LNER A-4

UNREAL‼️

i was the Guard on that!

@TheosTrainsWalesOfficial

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, how long have you been working at the MNR?

No locomotives were injured during the making of this film

it was the signalling fault, because it went on too late as it should come at least 30 seconds to a minute before the train comes but it also has no barrier so imaging that one guy would pass through it. could've got hit!

Standard driving nowadays. Got to get past or in front, just to save a few seconds, even if it kills me. One day IT WILL.

Good thing the train wasn’t moving fast…

This why you need to just have actual gates for level crossings.

@RobiBue

6 ай бұрын

No, this is why only people with common sense should be allowed to drive vehicles on public roads.

There was an even bigger idiot in a car following the tractor.

Who will win a car or a tractor or a few hundred ton train

@beeble2003

6 ай бұрын

That train weighs nothing like a thousand tons. Fully fuelled and watered, the locomotive is about 165 tons. I think those are Mark 2 coaches, which weigh about 35 tons each. Five of them makes a total train weight of no more than 350 tons. Still beats a tractor, of course.

@xaiano794

6 ай бұрын

Speaking from experience of a tractor train collision, definitely the train

That’s Dereham for you pal.

A4 pasific locomotive

Why didn't they stop?!? The lights were flashing!

Tractor and the car behind are risking life

i do not understand why the crossing activates so late. the traffic does stop when the yellow lights show

@nbc_uk

4 жыл бұрын

The lights were on red when the tractor and car ran them, but I would estimate that the, I believe, mainline-crewed train was doing 10mph rather than the required 5mph.

@beeble2003

6 ай бұрын

@@nbc_uk Yes, I measured the speed of the train at 10mph. If they'd been doing 5mph, the road traffic would have received twice as much warning.

@ronwilken5219

6 ай бұрын

​@@beeble2003so twice the number of red light jumpers would have crossed if the train had been at 5 mph. Obviously the locals know the timing to the nearest +/- ten seconds. I wonder how many of the horrified readers never jumped an amber, or better yet, a red light in their home country? Come on be honest. Yeh! I thought so.

@beeble2003

6 ай бұрын

@@ronwilken5219 I'm not speculating about what anybody would have done in any different situation. All I'm saying is that the reason the lights went red so soon before the train passed is that the train was doing twice the speed limit.

@nbc_uk

6 ай бұрын

@@beeble2003 The train approaches the crossing at 5mph, but as soon as it is on the crossing it can speed up to clear it. 5mph is an approach limit, not a full line speed.

Look at all the success stories from the Poundstretchers school of motoring.

What a buitifull Train Best of British , As for the ? Who jumped the lights as to speak & tbe ? Behind,

The train is just sneaking up on the crossing before it activates 15 seconds beforehand.

@beeble2003

6 ай бұрын

Looks like the train is doing about 10mph, which is twice the speed limit. So the road traffic should have had about twice as much warning.

@nbc_uk

6 ай бұрын

@@beeble2003 The train approaches the crossing at 5mph, as soon as it is on the crossing it is required to speed up to clear it. 5mph is an apprach limit.

Darwin was on coffee break it seems…

TTF Union of South Africa wasn't hurt there.

Those carriages look rough

0:37 Is Terrifying

Ah Dereham...

The thing is the car and the tractor driver both could be done for endangering the safety of persons using the railway. Which carries a sentence of: Magistrates court - 6 months’ imprisonment/unlimited fine Crown court - upto 2 years in imprisonment and unlimited fine. For one stupid act.....it's not worth it.. stop and let the train pass... It's not worth the fine or jail sentence

Is this a heritage line, and not part of the national rail network? Having no crossing gates would suggest so.

@ReedoRailways

5 ай бұрын

Yes it's part of the Mid Norfolk Railway, running between Dereham and Wymondham.

A few vehicles came close to being Gresley'd then😂

Got to say shocking crossing, trains shouldn't get that close a crossing with cars, tractors still crossing. need some gate barriers sorting

"OMG!"

I see superheroes travel first class these days, or was it the Hamburglar?

That's a creepy train.

Why not stop you get a good excuse and a great view?

i understand the tractor possibly might have been unable to stop in time due to its weight but the car following it i dont know what the driver was thinking.

There really should be Gates

The crossing activated way too late and the crossing deactivated too early Normally crossings would deactivate after the train has fully crossed. Also with that tractor and car passing on a red light they should be given penatly's for passing the crossing when the red lights were flashing

@nbc_uk

6 ай бұрын

Nope, it worked exactly as designed. It is set for the low approach speed of the line's trains and AOCLs are designed to cancel the lights in that way, as there is no need to keep them running while the barrier lifts.

Harry Potter on his way to Hogwards? ;-)

Ya ok, but British drivers don’t really do stopping for signs and lights. There have to be obvious obstacles in their way

0:37 I see that it isn't just Americans that try to beat the train.

That's a unique railroad crossing under a bridge, never seen that before

That tracjor

Is that east deerham

@tsd550

3 ай бұрын

East Dereham, MWCX+WXM Dereham

"OH MY GOD" LOL!! What? a tractor pulling a trailer crosses with plenty of distance and traveling at a somewhat high speed qualifies as that much drama to you,...huh? Unfricking believable!! Notice a car got through with plenty of distance from a slow moving train too. Railfans are a bunch of drama queens nowadays.

L*03 FPV ? Reg for that silver BMW behind the tractor… shame the vid wasn’t higher res you could have reported at least one of these buggers… 0:42

shocking

As great as this video is it just highlights how moronic people are at level crossings and then wonder why we have barriers.

Quite simply network rail should have no open crossings full stop. Road drivers would have no excuses then. Try watching American railroading videos, they'll give you nightmares 🇬🇧🇬🇧

@xaiano794

6 ай бұрын

It's sad that car driving standards are so low that people genuinely expect to have physical barriers to prevent them driving into a train, as though flashing red lights, signs and sirens aren't enough

@robertbate5790

6 ай бұрын

@@xaiano794 I agree. But then there are people operated gated rural crossings on lines with only one line to cross and very few trains. One extreme to the other. Lol 🤣

Tractor driver was a idiot for doing that as for the car behind..... well I hope someone from the authorities see this and manages to get there number plate from the video. 😊

This crossing really needs barriers, hopefully some were installed

@kishascape

6 ай бұрын

no it doesn't

@zoomanx9661

6 ай бұрын

@@kishascape yes it does. Some people as you can see aren’t gonna use any sense

@lesigh1749

6 ай бұрын

@@zoomanx9661 What about traffic lights on pedestrian crossings or junctions. Do they need barriers? A few drivers need a fixed penalty notice and a £80 fine, to teach them to follow the rules.

@zoomanx9661

6 ай бұрын

@@lesigh1749 sadly, many don’t use common sense. They’ll slow down when they risk damaging their vehicles or property

@howardbills2532

6 ай бұрын

Stupid bunts.....

To be honest, you don't get much warning, do you?

@xaiano794

6 ай бұрын

26 seconds is standard and clearly plenty of time. Edit: the car passed over the crossing 10s after the yellow warning light had come on. If you can't react in 10s then you shouldn't be driving. He clearly knew he was breaking the law.

@CristiNeagu

6 ай бұрын

@@xaiano794 If you cross just as the lights turn on and your car breaks down on the track, there really is no time to do much. What if you have a kid strapped in a safety seat in the back? 26 seconds is really not a lot of time.

@xaiano794

6 ай бұрын

@@CristiNeagu how could such a scenario possibly occur? You could just roll the car past the crossing if the engine stopped, if it stopped prior then you'd stop before the crossing. 26s is standard on all automatic crossings around the country and there are thousands of them.

@CristiNeagu

6 ай бұрын

@@xaiano794 What if the car doesn't roll? What if the panicked driver doesn't think and stops on the tracks? It can happen easily. And just because something is standard it doesn't mean it's a good idea. It used to be standard that some illnesses were treated with mercury. It wasn't a good idea.

@xaiano794

6 ай бұрын

@@CristiNeagu If the car doesn't roll how would it get on the tracks to start with? If the driver actively chooses, in a panic, that the very best place to stop is right on the tracks then they clearly shouldn't be driving a vehicle. I mean if they do things like that they might just stop in the fast lane of a motorway because the engine stopped or something, they are too dangerous to be on the road. I don't see how delaying drivers longer by having the crossing close sooner would help if you expect drivers to willfully put themselves in harms way - if they are going to choose to stop on the crossing, what would an extra 30s do?

They could have atleast washed the carriages.

@queeg6473

6 ай бұрын

I remember those type of carrages from the 1980s, even when clean they looked like crap....

@kishascape

6 ай бұрын

@@queeg6473 your mother

😂😂😂

Crossing activates to late

@ReedoRailways

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree, although I'm also aware that there is no way that the driver had slowed the train down to 5mph which is the set limit for both crossings.

Someone should man that crossing could be a nasty accident due to impatient idiots

That's a great bit of planning: a level crossing under a bridge with no barriers.

@Frserthegreenengine

6 ай бұрын

I think the bridge came after the railway.

@kishascape

6 ай бұрын

Not that hard to stop when the lights flash or you know actually pay attention to the rail. Darwinism.

@nbc_uk

6 ай бұрын

Been fine for 50 years, so...

Yu do not drive across directly in front of a rapidly approaching train; irrespective of the colour denoted by the signals. Always surprising to continually see such fools.

@kishascape

6 ай бұрын

Third world crime ridden country.