I understand that Thomas as a character has slightly messed up how railways in general have been perceived, but without the series he stars in, i and many others likely wouldn’t be here, and you have to admit, the railway series books are quite good

@pilotbug6100

2 жыл бұрын

if Hit hadn't bought it, it wouldn't be an embarrassment

@connormclernon26

Жыл бұрын

@@pilotbug6100 first seven seasons were good, it’s been downhill from there.

@PilloTheStar

2 ай бұрын

Because of thomas, liking trains in any capacity is seen as a sign of autism.

When I was very young my father took me to London and who should we bump into but Sir Nigel Gresley. My father knew him and we were introduced. We lived at Welwyn Garden City at the time and I used to watch those A4's thunder through at speed. But I digress. I said to Sir Nigel "Your engine is dirty!" He replied "Yes - but it's war-time" I later got a Works photograph from him of 'his' engine in pristine out-shopped condition. I still have it . . . somewhere . . .Michael

@frankieboitv619

5 жыл бұрын

Your father knew sir Nigel Gresley! That's cool Any idea what engine it was

@PreservationEnthusiast

5 жыл бұрын

@@frankieboitv619 Yes my father knew Gresley too, arf arf. We used to call him "Nige" and often would discuss the scrapping of locos. Nige was always looking to scrap locos not designed by him. He hated other people's locos!

@frankieboitv619

5 жыл бұрын

I bet he would love to see some of the Lms locos get scrapped

@kyankoh2991

4 жыл бұрын

@@PreservationEnthusiast RIP UP THOSE PACERS >:)

@lukeslocomotives

4 жыл бұрын

I was far from thought of by then, hell even my nana and grandad wernt around for over 20 years after nigels death!

I’ve always had a fondness for the Stirling Single Engine. From the smoke box that looks like a head of hair to that large driving wheel, it’s just an all around beautiful engine.

@charlieflockhart2203

3 жыл бұрын

I agree i want one in 00 gauge for my layout but there aren't any and I'm no good at kit builds

@daylightman8459

3 жыл бұрын

Locomotion models have created a ready-to-run OO Stirling single.

I love the Q1. Its so quirky and the pinnacle of 0-6-0 steam.

@Rosie6857

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, you could say that. It's so ugly it's beautiful in its functionality. Its tractive effort would put it in the 7F class but it is so light (to save material during the war) that its lack of adhesion weight reduces it to 5F. Bit silly really but that's Bulleid for you - clever but a bit mad.

@harrytodhunter5078

7 жыл бұрын

"hey, do you know what we could run trains on? PEAT!"

@PreservationEnthusiast

5 жыл бұрын

@@harrytodhunter5078 About time we stopped burning stuff. Haven't you heard of climate change and sea level rise?

@131stproductions9

5 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@closed9446

4 жыл бұрын

the basis of neville ( BR 33010)

Thomas may be an embarrassment to adult enthusiasts but without him children would never be interested in steam locos and the love for steam trains would probably die out, so you have to give credit to Mr Awdry

@Jiskpirate

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, I liked the books. But the series (especially the animated ones) are really an embarrassment. Everyone knows it. If you tell someone you like steam locomotives they immediately think you watch Thomas every night, you're not taken seriously and it's milked out, a lot. Especially with all these foreign engines and a fanbase of adults for god's sake.

@Rosie6857

7 жыл бұрын

That's probably true for the young these days and Thomas the Tank Engine certainly brings in the visitors but from what I've heard from people at Didcot (the GW Society) the franchise pretty well takes over your site for the duration and you must abide by their rules. They could be called bullies. I was captivated by these books as a youngster (I'm as old as a Q1) and never thought that these benign stories could end up in an organisation that has all the delicacy of the International Olympic Committee. As for the E2's they were insignificant to me as a locospotter. A typical constipated run-of-the-mill Brighton product of the time. The E4's were better and I've seen them shunt the yard at East Croydon. The Westinghouse pump would go "pissed, pissed, pissed" every two seconds or so, a dead giveaway of an LBSC loco.

@Midknight212

6 жыл бұрын

Thomas the tank engine is how I started to love trains

@lindavoyles5512

6 жыл бұрын

I no right thay get enbarst to much I love frozen.

@angrya4pacific738

6 жыл бұрын

SteamLance or it could be children growing up in the 40s 50s 60s 70s ETC who remember steam or Diesels of the 60s and 70s and grew up with them and I might of read some of Rev W Awdrys books as a child but over time forgot about the famous railway engines because after the 15 Guinea special hundreds of rail enthusiasts didn't flock to coal mining industries or preserved railways where steam was still operating just because they've read a few books if Thomas the tank engine and rail enthusiasm has been passed down the generations for many years not because of some blue Cringy choo choo and I know some kids are rail enthusiasts because of Thomas but you can't just say that every single rail enthusiast or train spottier in the world likes train because of Thomas

Whilst it's hard to disagree with the majority of what you've said, I've a couple of points I'd like to make. Firstly, though we may loathe the modern Thomas and Friends franchise for being a horrific, money printing, merchandise machine, it was the first stop on my route to becoming a rail enthusiast, as I imagine it is for many younger 'train spotters'. There are many 'old school' fans of the books and earlier TV series (before they started writing their own stories) who have tried to write the wrongs of post-Britt Sodor. Obvious examples are the Extended Railway Series, a group of talented writers who produce stories similar to the original books and Wild Nor' Wester's Sodor the Early/Modern Years series here on KZread (for which i voice act) a long-running series of Britt-esque episodes that focus on providing a more realistic view of the fictional island, with more accurate rail operations. The problem with TTTE&F is not Thomas himself, but the board of directors who demand their pockets be filled with money and the writers who know little to nothing about railways. I highly approve of your inclusion of the S&DJR 7F. It's an excellent looking locomotive, which bags of character and it's as though it has a no-nonsense get-the-job-done demeanour. My personal favourite 'Standard Gauge British Steam Locomotive' is the MR 0-10-0 Lickey Banker, better known as 'Big Bertha'. In the research conducted by myself and two other chaps I met over the web, from what we could tell Bertha was, at a basic level, the result of crossing a 7F with The Incredible Hulk. Sure it could barely manage 30 miles an hour but as a machine built with the express purpose of doing one job, there aren't many that did so as impressively as Big Bertha. I only with I'd been around to see her before she was scrapped. I remember once talking to a gentleman at the NRM in York; I was stood looking at the miniature replica of Bertha (I forget the actual scale, she was about three feet long) when this chap came over to look himself and we got to talking. Turns out he'd been her fireman in his youth and he said she was the rail equivalent of a tug boat. Immensely powerful but not a lot you could do with it and despite being vital to the Birmingham-Bristol route it was overlooked and underappreciated. I have a soft spot for one-off and unusual locomotives, like Bertha, the SR Q1 class, D0260 Lion, D0280 Falcon, HS4000 Kestrel etc. and I'm afraid Leader is no different. It may have been a failure as a prototype but I like the concept. Essentially somewhere between a Garratt and two tank engines strapped together is was an attempt to make a steam locomotive with the operational advantages of a diesel, or an auto coach. I like the fact that it's hideous, it's like Quasimodo. Whilst the Leader class was doomed from the start because of the awful working conditions for the fireman, I think the concept itself could have been pushed forward. The Americans did something vaguely similar with Southern Pacific's cab-forward classes. Basically the locomotive was turned around and the tender was coupled to the smokebox end of the engine: This only worked because the loco was oil fired, of course. However, if the tender had had an autocoach cab in it...

The E2 review, funniest thing ever...

Thank you so much for sharing my opinion of the E2s! I do have a soft spot for Thomas, as it's the reason I'm interested in trains, but the locomotives themselves are just horribly designed. They do look kind of interesting though, and I'd like one of Hornby's one day for a LBSCR shunting layout or something (Or as a source of bits to make an I3 or something better) but their design is simply gaudy. They're like 0-6-0 versions of Hornby's clockwork toys from the thirties. The autotrain tests with them were abysmal, and the only reason they went to Southampton is because they didn't have anything else for them to do. And then some Davenport/Vulcan built machines showed up and made me a very proud Yank.

@PGW85Productions

7 жыл бұрын

RockyRailroad Animation the Hornby model of the E2 is quite dated now, and I'm unsure if they'll reintroduce a more detailed one, or even one with an upgraded chassis into their "Railroad" range. If you have the time to do a little bit of "kit building" I would recommend "Sparkshot Custom Creations" on the website "Shapeways", as a good source for a fairly accurate model of an E2.

@harold5337

5 жыл бұрын

Had Thomas been a Jinty or E1 Terrier, I doubt the E2 would be as remembered as it is now.

One of my favorites was the J94's. They were strong, common, and good all-around war designs. Also: their chuffing's so unique, you hardly find any other tankies that sound like it.

cap: 999 went first Stark: it was obviously City of Truro (cue Civil War titles)

I understand why tail enthusiasts find Thomas embarrassing and it can be really annoying but for a child growing up in Asia in the 90s, it was our first contact with a steam engine. Apart from the stories my mum told us (she loves trains) about steam engines back in the 1960s to 1970 when she’d watch steam engine thundering down the line in her backyard (she lived by the railway line). For the generation of millennial rail enthusiasts all we had were stories from our parents and Thomas. Not until I was 15 I had the privilege of riding a heritage line in Japan and I finally understood what my mum was talking about. Even though hardcore enthusiasts might hate the mass media nature of Thomas the more young people get interested in trains and their heritage the better chance we have in preserving these wonderful locos for generations to come.

Good list but I feel like you are being kinda harsh on Thomas and Friends. For many people, reading the books and watching the show was how they first discovered a passion and love for steam trains. Thomas was the entry point for many people who are dedicated, deeply knowledgeable railway enthusiasts today. If Thomas gets kids to feel the wonder and excitement of steam trains and maybe continue to feel that when they grow up, is that really such a bad thing?

@Jiskpirate

7 жыл бұрын

It's mass culture and you're not taken serious anymore if you tell someone you like steam locomotives, since they immediately associate you with Thomas.

@robertsowden1454

7 жыл бұрын

AmyPondLover thomas makes us seem like a bunch of children. Personally my interest started from mainly the NRM!

@Frserthegreenengine

5 жыл бұрын

Thomas partly got me interested, but for me by the time I began watching Thomas and Friends, I was already into Steam engines, my parents and grandparents showed me videos and images of Flying Scotsman. So really it was mostly Flying Scotsman that got me into railways, Thomas helped to consolidate my love for steam engines.

can not wait for the Sole S.L.I.P of the Caledonian 812 ^_^

The modern Thomas franchise is definitely an embarrassment to railway enthusiasm and history and I don't think thats going to change any time soon. However its all children have these days to get into this sort of stuff which is a shame really. I'd like to change that one day.. Great video by the way!

@LNER985

7 жыл бұрын

I would disagree the Thomas franchise is the reason heritage railways to keep going and to gives them a future. It helps the newer generations get into the railways and into volunteering at heritage railways. Don't you want them to get the money so there can maintain all there locomotives and Thomas is a big part of that. With the faces it makes the kids have more a connection with steam locomotives and there is lots of other programs with vehicles that have faces. I don't the problem with that and Thomas is still one of the best kids program that is still on today.

@shortround551

7 жыл бұрын

John trainfan101 Oh yeah definitely in terms of bringing children into the world of heritage.. But the actual product itself is still an embarrassment to railway heritage itself. Its kind of like the Dr Seuss films, they're awful and shit, but are there to just remind everyone of Dr Seuss Great work! Its not as embarrassing now as it has been for the past decade or so, but its certainly no RWS Accurate / Railway Heritage praying franchise though it does keep it alive in some way.

@paulhitchcock9760

7 жыл бұрын

The problem is for heritage railways to make any money after meeting the demands of the franchise holders

@LNER985

7 жыл бұрын

The TV series of Thomas And Friends is not meant to be the same as the RWS and does everything really need to be 100% accurate. It is meant to be telling a story and not teaching the history of the railways. The series as it is now is very good and the latest episodes have been great. The best it has been and since going CGI. More lately there has more accurate and parts of RWS be put in. Thomas and Friends the adventure begins had so much elements from the RWS and everything was accurate.Have you even try to watch the latest stuff and if you have not then can't call it embarrassment. Talking to kids that watch it and that would help you understand it more. Thomas and Friends has come one of the flew kids programs to gone worldwide and has become more of a big deal.

@shortround551

7 жыл бұрын

John trainfan101 I agree with you, but have to look at both sides of the "argument" and say that Thomas is still quite an embarrassment to Railway heritage aside. It does have great qualities, and I'm sure these guys review on TAB will be mostly positive. I Love the franchise, but that doesn't stop me realising that its stepped away from its 100% Railway accurate routes and has been much more focused on educational morals with the reminder or railways written around it and maybe used as a plot device here and there.

As a big Thomas fan, I'm sorry to see so many of others' comments flipping you off for your disagreements. xD From what I understand, the E2s weren't downright shit, but agreeably to most, rather mediocre. In honesty, even had one made it to preservation, I can't see it having added much interest. They don't look like anything significant, and haven't too much setting them apart to E4 "Birch Grove". Their history is somewhat interesting, but doesn't change my opinion that they're better off left extinct. Out of curiousity, is there somewhere I can read/watch your thoughts on why TTTE is embarrassing? I'm intrigued to see your points! In regards to this video, I love your choice of music, especially for the least favourites list. Such a strong "spirited, blunt rant" sort of vibe I get from it! As for my personal faves, I don't have a top 10, but do particularly endear the Black Fives, the Standard Class 2s, the Standard 9Fs, the A1X Terriers and the Caledonian class 812. Though not steam engines, I also have soft spots for diesels such as the Hymeks and Class 40s, and even the CoBo class 28 despite its problematic engine. I'm very well aware that's off topic, though, so I'll zip it already. :P Great use of techniques you implemented in this vid, I hope to see more like it in the future.

@Taj-px4uq

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks that make me happier

@rogersstinson4019

4 жыл бұрын

Tk Gamer me two

@prestonsvideos6133

3 жыл бұрын

I would recommend the Railway Series and *maybe* the first and second seasons of Thomas and Friends for people who want to go for something more realistic.

I'm cheering about the "German Diesel Thingy" :D That "thingy" is basically your pacer, with CLASS ;) Can we expect a "top 10 international steam locomotives" in the very distant future? I'd be interested to know if something German made it on that list. Greetings from Deutschland

@sirrliv

7 жыл бұрын

LOL! The Flying Hamburger is a Pacer with class! I'm dying here! XD

@Jappymovies

7 жыл бұрын

Difficult one. I would definitly argue for the Prussian P8's, as in purpose that's basically a black five, only older. And even with their controversial background, the class br52's. Just the fact that they were spread out to all of Europe after the war and could just about tackle any job given to them by their new owners make them one of the best steam loco designs ever.

@sirrliv

7 жыл бұрын

Jappy Both excellent choices, I heartily agree. I would also make a case for the Golsdorf 310's, the express engines that revolutionized the Austro-Hungarian railways. The French also have a fair shout with engines like the Chapelon Super Pacifics, or the 230G 4-6-0's, made famous by one's appearance in "Murder on the Orient Express". And of course, if we go way back, one can't forget the French & German Crampton engines, so much a feature of French railways that "Prende le Crampton" became well known slang even decades after their withdrawal.

@harrytomlin5781

5 жыл бұрын

It may sound silly but I think the S160s deserve a place on that list

@Martindyna

4 жыл бұрын

Mallard's world record has never been officially exceeded by a steam locomotive, though the German Class 05 was at least very close: in 1936, two years before Mallard's run, 05 002 had reached 200.4 km/h (124.5 mph) between Hamburg and Berlin. Stoke Bank is long, straight and slightly downhill, whereas the 1936 run of 05 002 took place on a horizontal stretch of track. Unlike Mallard, 05 002 survived the attempt undamaged: on the other hand, its train was only four coaches long (197 tons), whereas Mallard's train was seven coaches (240 tons). Wikipedia `LNER Class A4 4468 Mallard' Please don't compare your Flying Hamburger with the Pacer !!, for economy the Pacer is a very basic design and does not even have bogies !! Greetings from England, UK.

I do like the 9F I think it is a shame we will never see them on the national network after all a freight loco that has been timed at over 90 is quite impressive.

12:49 Aw I like those engines. They were my first british steam engine i saw in real life.

Genuinely just really like what a great presenting job you've done of this sir! - Benji

As an unrefined Yankee, I would say that the A4, Duchess, and Bullied Pacifics are tied in my mind for the best of British steam. The A4 had blazing speed, the Duchess combined strength with elegance, and the Bullied Pacifics had the aura of working-class grit.

Great List! I would Have Probably Picked the Gresley A1's as Number 1. I know its horrendously unoriginal but I can't help myself from just Adoring Flying Scotsman and his History. Also was Glad to see the 14XXs on your List, Those are without a doubt the best Tank engines in all of the UK.Ok, I know you probably have very valid points and I have no intentions of changing your mind, But I'd like to know why you think Thomas is such a huge embarrassment. Any Thomas Fan will Say that the show between 2003 and 2013 was God Awfully Horrendous, but the early days of the show and The Railway Series Books were Very Very Decent, and The Franchise in General has helped create younger railway enthusiast like me. I Grew up watching Talking Trains before I could appreciate the Actual Machinery. I would like to hear all your arguments against Thomas. (Also, The E2's Were failures but I still do think they have a Charm. I think they do look Better Than Jintys, although I Still Adore Jintys)

@ethantreue2865

7 жыл бұрын

you mean they look better than shitties

@mannycabral3491

6 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't.

@ShinyaMerveilles66

6 жыл бұрын

i think the reasoning had to do with what the franchise had become at the time the video came out (which if memory serves me, would be seasons 15-16 ). i dont know the guy so i dont know what his actual thoughts are, but even i had to be embarassed at how far it sunk at that point (its gotten much better since then, but future plans means that might be a question for later). personally, i loved the franchise when i got into it as a kid and its that (plus living within a block of a decently running railroad) that got me into the hobby (and growing up with thomas means an adult's face just lights up like a kid in a toy store when he sees the actual real life basis for the engines)

@awildjared1396

6 жыл бұрын

he is embaressing because he is a BABIES show.

@joaquinanimations8786

6 жыл бұрын

Jared Axton the show is aimed for everyone and it's not really for babies

How about the terriers? where would they come on a tank engine list?

@2805224

5 жыл бұрын

BOTTOM

Thoroughly enjoyed this and subscribed :)

Entertaining as always Chris and impossible to argue with your choice for no 1. They really are beautiful

What do you think about the Class E2 "#110" being built. I heard that they're going to make the coal bunker bigger so its 'better'.

@ChristheXelent

7 жыл бұрын

The admin of that group have since spoken on another video stating they didn't really know what they were doing when they set up that page. Highly unlikely that project will happen in that form, given how its been received and how little 'building' has taken place.

Hey Chris, if you're aware of the LNER Thompson Pacific's, what's your opinions on them?

@britanniaolivercromwell5006

4 жыл бұрын

We don’t speak of those abominations

@CW56

4 жыл бұрын

They’re all extinct.

@Evaunit98

3 жыл бұрын

Those things ruined what was a fantastic class and if it wasn’t for those turds we might have actually had a P2 to savour

@cr10001

2 жыл бұрын

@@Evaunit98 Hopefully we'll have a P2 again, since the folks who built Tornado have now turned their attention to the P2 class. While I thoroughly agree with your view of the ugly Thompson pacifics, not to mention his desecration of Gresley's pioneer Great Northern, even without that all the P2's might have gone to scrap anyway since so tragically few LNER locos ended up at Barry scrapyard.

I just got my copy of Going Great Central in the post, I just want to say, fantastic. Really detailed, and great to see my local train company on it(Chiltern Railways) You should do more documentaries like this. Keep up the good work.

Enjoying your shows immensely. I wish my father was still alive to enjoy them, too.

My Australian list would be 10. The NSWGR 35 class 4-6-0s 9. The Victorian Railways G class Garratts 8.The SAR 700 class 2-8-2s 7. The QGR BB18 1/4 4-6-2s 6. NSWGR D55 class 2-8-0s 5. Victorian Railways H class 4-8-4 or Heavy Harry 4. The SAR 520 class locomotive 3. NSWGR C38 class 4-6-2s 2. Victorian Railways NA class 2-6-2Ts or Puffing Billy 1.Victorian Railways R class 4-6-4 Hudsons

Great list Chris. Great shout on the S15 and Lion. Only thing I'd say is it is a shame you never got to ride on the 56XX that was resident on the NYMR, because that made a wonderful fuss going up from Grosmount to Goathland. With a power classification of five they don't really get to prove themselves on the heritage branch lines they are found on.

A great series very well done!

You've brought some memories back for me with this video. You caught me at 16:03 with 60007 - I thank you lol

I could argue about the 30's being the "greatest decade" of the 20th Century (Rise of Hitler, the Depression, the Purges in the USSR, Japanese aggression into east Asia, Labor strife in the UK, the lead up to WWII) but i do have to agree with your points about the A4. While it would be interesting to argue about, say, the claim to the record (Mallard was going downhill, and damaged itself, while the German BR 05 #002, the previous record holder from 1936 of 124.5 mph, earned its record on level track and without damaging itself but was pulling a lighter train (which could also be argued that Mallard had some help from the weight of it's train pushing it down the grade- ah peas, i set off :) ) I think it is best to leave well enough alone. As for the E2's....eh, blame Reginald Payne. the Rev. Awdry's design for Thomas looked more like a kitbashed J50 knockoff.

@bertmeinders6758

2 жыл бұрын

The German 05 was a purpose-built record-attempt loco, while the A4s were built for everyday use, and turned out to excel at hauling heavytrains up what you British regard assteep gradients. My own favourite is the NZR Ja class 4-8-2 (Apart from a brief drive in an Ab, all the locos I've driven are j or Ja class). And the DeLorean was an underdeveloped show car made for a market which probablydidn't exist.

What an enjoyable video thank you so much! I must say I agree with your choice for number 1 and thanks for using the Pachelbel Canon in D two of my personal favourites are the O2 tank (LSWR) and the Bulleid Pacifics I actually saw those as a very small boy too young to actually "cop" them but I SAW them Anyway thank you again!

Great Video Chris! :)

Really enjoy your work Chris. Cam over June 2012 and spent a day a York for the Raliex, your clip on the City reminded me. Keep it up when you can, it's great.

One word to describe this comment section. Thomas.

@hornbystuff626

6 жыл бұрын

Toybonnie 19 agreed Btw I used to be speedy steam 55 I lost my account password

@user-yf4gx9lw6c

5 жыл бұрын

Toybonnie 19 Its a fucking kids show with trains in. Why is it such a topic for flame wars, like fucking why.

@giovega3585

5 жыл бұрын

Toybonnie 19 Thomas is cool

@TheMNrailfan227

5 жыл бұрын

Thomas is good show you idiot

@MrTuna-pt6wu

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheMNrailfan227 I'd say the new Thomas show is shit

My all time locomotive is the 4-6-6-4 challenger and my favorite model train I own is a class d 4-6-4 type Hudson

Very well presented with just the right amount of comedy, top notch as always Chris. Although nothing beats a humble jinty for me 😉

My dad is loving these DVD's!

My top 10: 10. USATC S160 9. 9F 8. Leader (I know, ugly train, but I like the LUL battery locos too, so that makes up for it I guess) 7. GWR City Class 6. E2 Tank (I just like the little things, despite them being no more!) 5. Q1 (Same reason as leader only I love the Q1s just for their weirdness) 4. GT3 (forgotten black five framed Gas Turbine amazingness) 3. J94 (adorable saddle tank engines) 2. SE&CR C class (just lovely looking 0-6-0 and long lived too!) 1. A4 (for the exact same reason Chris pointed out!)

'Going Great Central' is fantastic Man! Well worth the price! I completely encourage everyone else to buy it and watch it!!!

nice video bud i don't especially have a favourite rather some that i don't like so much but all of them would catch my attention

Very entertaining video.thank you.

Plus, I have heard of RARE footage of the E2 Class tank engine working at, what appears to be the docks. And of course, the footage is on KZread.

@rogersstinson4019

3 жыл бұрын

Oh it exists

Its by no means a British engine, But 3801 is a magnificent piece of kit.

@shadyhaze2013

7 жыл бұрын

And the Vic Rail 'R' Classes were no slouches either

@DagorDagorathSauron

7 жыл бұрын

And the South Australian 520's were pretty rad, as were the Victorian S and H Classes. And the NSW 60 Class Garratts

The Black 5s just seem to have this "Don't worry, I'll get it done" vibe.

@LazyOldFusspot_3428

9 ай бұрын

That's why Henry is such a chad

Excellent review Chris :) I love the SDJR 7F's and the Princess Royals, so I was glad to see they were some of your faves. Could you ever do a video of your favourite overseas steam locomotives?

Bit sad William Francis didn't make the list.

@LouisPhung999

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah. One of the most successful standard gauge garratt locomotive to run on British metals.

@tehdrago

5 жыл бұрын

Ausrail. Remember me?😁😁😁

I respect your opinions, but I have a book by a southern Fireman and he had quite high praises for the E2s, he did say that one of them used a lot of water on one occasion, but that was going flat out banking n train up a hill, besides that, he said they had good brakes and were good at their jobs. I know things are different on paper to real life, but looking at the "top trumps" facts of the E2s, the later 5 had a slightly greater water capacity than the 57XX class and only a little less tractive effort.

@eryhv

7 жыл бұрын

What is the title?

@JH55000

7 жыл бұрын

footplate days on the southern I think

@eryhv

7 жыл бұрын

JH55000 thank you very much!

@kupferbergbahn7952

7 жыл бұрын

your only saying that because your a Thomas fan. thats quite sad really.

@timetogoproductions

7 жыл бұрын

JH55000 you didn't happen to create the E2 for TS did you? If so well done sir

hey what would you say the e2 or the jinti i would go with the jinti please answer

I like the look of the pannier tank engines, I saw one in a black and white video and wondered about them.

the modern thomas is shit but series 1-5 is great.

@CW56

4 жыл бұрын

Aren’t seasons 6-7 classic too. David Mitton, Mike and Junior and even Britt Allcroft (as executive producer) were still around an we’re Duck, both twin pairs, Oliver, Toad, Terence, Stepney and the narrow gauge engines.

@ceo1887

3 жыл бұрын

@@CW56 7 is classic. season 6 was the last classical season

My favourites are the GWR Castle class and (Australias) NSWR 3801

@ChopperV-8807

6 жыл бұрын

Ditto200 what about the C38 class as a whole? '01 may be the doyen of the class, but there's 29 more ☺

@Locomattive8572

6 жыл бұрын

3801 gives me wood

Little blue embarrassment has been my childhood and I still enjoy collecting the electric locomotives

@angrya4pacific738

6 жыл бұрын

nityking1 so you can brake them

brilliant chris, great list and some brilliant funny bits too!

Enjoyed your film as always, but surprised that the 9Fs didn't make it into your top ten. At least a Riddles was in there. Also nothing representing the work of Ivatt. Nevermind. Loved the film though! Best regards from Germany!

@Locomattive8572

6 жыл бұрын

10 S&D 7Fs 09 BR 4MT moguls 08 GWR Castles 07 GER Y14 / LNER J15s 06 LNER A2s 05 BR Britannia’s 04 LNER A4s 03 BR 9Fs 02 Hunslet 16 inch 01 GER 1500s / LNER B12

This comment section summarised: ● The T1 taking Mallard's record. - That won't happen and the Americans know it. Also stop trying to brag about it. ● The E2 isn't rubbish & *insert awful insult here* -The E2's were rubbish, they poorly steamed, were coal and water demanding, and were replaced by the USA dock tanks. ● Other comments about Chris' favourites and people triggered about his opinions Overall, anyone who falls into either of those comments sections, please understand that this video is opinion based (and fact based E2 wise). If you're not willing to accept opinions and be civil about it, this isn't the community you should be apart of.

@skillium1300

4 жыл бұрын

but t1

@britanniaolivercromwell5006

4 жыл бұрын

Yes the T1 won’t break Mallards record there is no way this finicky f*ck will beat the perfect steam locomotives and to the T1 trust why this locomotive and not I don’t know maybe something better than the slipping, finicky abortion that doesn’t seem to work

@FutureRailProductions

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahahhahaahhaa.

Good informative article Chris, thanks.

Awesome list, man. Great case for the A4.

I agree with the A4 why should it be beaten but not everyone has that much sense and the new American T1 duplex will some how break the record by 20 mph ?

@bluefoxy6478

4 жыл бұрын

Well before all were scrap someone went on some trains which they pulled and clocked them going 140 mph average. And with use of modern materials and more realibility, i don't see the possibility to be too far off.

@britanniaolivercromwell5006

4 жыл бұрын

No because I believe that it would ether slip or damage the popet valve gear

@bluefoxy6478

4 жыл бұрын

@@britanniaolivercromwell5006they aren't useing the poppet valve gear on this engine. There using a more reliable one that won't break as easily, and as for the wheel slipping, it was mostly cause by inexperienced crews and not being too light, that was an issue with the S1, not the T1.

@britanniaolivercromwell5006

4 жыл бұрын

Oh sorry but I still like the a4

@bluefoxy6478

4 жыл бұрын

that's a very respectful opinion.

My Favorite One is Princess Elizabeth

@margaritamaestro6712

7 жыл бұрын

And The A4's

@Ty-yt3lj

6 жыл бұрын

your username removes all credibility from your statement.

@justinhicks4897

6 жыл бұрын

NINTENDOSH LEGIT that's very true

@SomersetTrainspotter

5 жыл бұрын

Yes same

What's that crank on the end of the BR Std 5MT's connecting rod?

@kiwitrainguy

4 жыл бұрын

If you mean at 6:13 then I think it's something to do with the speedometer. I notice that at least one of those locos had Rotary Cam valve gear.

Brilliant video, lovely engines.

I love steam and Thomas The Tank Engine.

@alexanderneve1022

7 жыл бұрын

Hannah Gal i also like steam and thomas

is it Just me or is the a4 almost everyones favorite loco?

@jppicur

6 жыл бұрын

Not the favourite of maintenance crews.

@bluefoxy6478

4 жыл бұрын

Not everyones, but i can see why it is many peoples, same with the flying Scotsman.

Thanks for showing off a clip of 30053! She's one of my favourite engines

Out of curiosity what do you consider to be the best classes of the pre grouping era?

There's a group of Yanks who want to take Mallard up on that speed record. They're rebuilding a Pennsylvania Railroad T1 4-4-4-4 duplex, to be operational next decade.

@bluefoxy6478

4 жыл бұрын

Well, yes and no, no because the majority of rails in the US aren't built to handle high speed anymore, their built to handle very heavy and long freight trains, its also not likely that Amtrak would allow the T1 on the 5% of track they do own. So the chances to actually have a go at it is slim to none. And before any of you start a fight in this guys replys about the record, theres a new one, the fastest PRESERVED steam record, mallards record is now called the official service steam record, the preserved one is currently held by tornado

Least favorites: Yeah, kind of have to agree about the Taffy Tanks. As GWR machines go, they're a little on the naff side; the big counterweights on the #2 driving wheels always threw me off. And they really only worked around the coal fields of South Wales, ergo the moniker. I almost wish at least one DX Goods engine had survived, if only so we'd know how truly crap they really were. As it is, they sound like the WWII Liberty Ships: cranked out as fast as they could to do a job until they were sunk or fell apart. Ah, the Leader. I was wondering when this one would come up. In fact, I can add a Reason #8: THEY DIDN'T SODDING WORK! They didn't work when Bullied tried them under the Southern, they didn't work when BR tried to fix them, and they didn't work when the Irish hired Bullied to make a peat-burning version for them. ... I'm just gonna step back a bit after that E2 rant... and maybe get the popcorn ready to watch the Tumarse fandom devour you alive. This being said, I won't disagree that for a replacement for the A1X Terriers Billington... maybe could have done a bit better. I'm actually surprised the Bullied Light Pacifics aren't up here too. Okay, there's still a lot of them around and they did get better after BR built them properly, but I remember your video on them and the long list of problems they had (the longest in SLIP history, if memory serves). And come on, any engine that can list "Can catch fire" among its traits can surely be looked on as nothing but one of the worst. Need I bring up the phrase "His firebox was on fire"? That's what I thought. #1: Yeeep. Saw this one coming a mile away. They're practically technically perfect, they're a national icon for Britain and the 1930's in general, they're just all around awesome. Okay, clearly I'm the only person in the world who actually kind of likes the Class 142 Pacers. I remember riding one from Preston to Burnley and back and it was brilliant; comfy seats, decent ride comfort, certainly better than the Virgin rubbish on the main lines. The biggest problem I see with them, and what I think is the root of a lot of the hate for them is that they're the right train, but being used for the wrong job. On anything resembling a main line, or even a busy secondary line, they're rubbish; they don't have the passenger capacity to handle heavy rush hour traffic and they're too slow for anything like a commuter run. What they are is a bus on rails, and that's fine. Where they should be working is on tertiary lines, branches serving smaller communities or suburbs that connect with the larger lines. There's a big trend in Britain for rebuilding and reopening branch lines closed by the Beeching cuts (gee, it's almost like annihilating a third of your nation's rail infrastructure, including numerous rural connections, with no attempt at foresight toward continuous population center growth was a BAD idea), and its these lines where the Pacers would be perfect. I have to say though, that ending was a bit of a downer. Not that I disagree with your points at all; yes, a steam engine breaking Mallard's record today would be a pointless gesture. Back when Mallard set the record, rail transport in general and steam engines in particular meant something very different than it does today. It actually meant something to have a class of engines as fast as Mallard. Nowadays, an attempt to break that record would feel at best like an empty gesture because steam engines aren't regularly used anymore, not in most places on Earth, and at worst it would feel like... almost a spiteful gesture, taking away one of the last truly meaningful unbeaten elements of railway history for no real reason at all. So yes, I understand your points in this ending. Still, bit of a low note to go out on, eh?

@hiawathabeast

7 жыл бұрын

well, to play a devil's advocate concerning the record, the debate has gone on for decades and back when steam was still around most of the locos who could legit challenge and/or break the record never really had the opportunity to do so.in the T1 duplex's case, I think the loco (if it gets built) has a lot to prove to the world, so many stereotypes and myths surrounding this class, the fact that 5550 will be based off of 5500, the most successful T1 of the originals will probably tell everyone that with proper handling as well as proper maintenance, this class should've been a design the PRR would be proud of, as far as speed goes, I've always had the belief that American steam doesn't get enough respect, sadly 999 and 7002 kinda hurt my case since their records are exaggerated (you could make a case for PRR E6 460 here too, 115 MPH really? maybe 100 but no more than that) and people praise the A4's for their speed, but come on, some USA steam are just as fast as most of the streaks, and we had about 2, maybe 3 classes that can beat mallard, Milwaukee road class A no.2 reached 112 mph 4 months and 2 weeks before silver link did, and yet silver link was more famous (or is it beloved? not quite sure) and the Milwaukee road only got as far as considering letting the world know how fast the hiawathas really are by proposing a 1 hour timetable between Chicago and Milwaukee, before nixing it due to a "gentleman's agreement " with the Burlington and C&NW. the sad reality is those 3 classes that can upstage mallard were all scrapped in the early to mid '50s. (damn diesels)

@hiawathabeast

7 жыл бұрын

also, I really hope you don't think my comment comes off as me whining, I'm really not.

@mercury7590

7 жыл бұрын

I completely agree, apart from the E2. Wait, really? The Irish wanted a peat-burning Leader? WTF?

@sirrliv

7 жыл бұрын

RedEye Nerf Aye, they did indeed. At the time (post-war, early 1950's), Irish motive power was basically a shambles, mostly clapped out Victorian 4-4-0s and a very few diesels. Further, Ireland has no large natural reserves of steam coal (coal with a high sulfur content that will burn hotter and cleaner) nor oil reserves, so importing coal and oil was a great expense the Irish State Railways felt they couldn't afford. They'd experimented with peat-burning engines before with limited success, so in 1951 they hired the recently outed Oliver Bullied to come over and design a modern engine for them that could burn peat and compete with the diesels. What Bullied gave them was No. CC1, basically a slightly improved version of the Leader. It first rolled out in 1957 on the Dublin-Cork line where it proved an instant failure, mostly owing to a lot of the same faults that had plagued the Leader. The Irish Railways abandoned the project in 1958 after Bullied retired. They kept the engine running until 1963, when it was officially withdrawn from service, being broken up in 1965, although its boiler was kept for possible stationary use.

@russellgxy2905

7 жыл бұрын

I like the E2s just from the shape of the tanks. The way Thomas is designed on TV makes the extended tanks pointless, but on an actual E2, it was an interesting alternative to a Pannier tank. Stable, while providing some access to the inside motion. Though, I'm immensely surprised that Billington actually intended them to replace the Terriers. And comparing them to the 5600s, at least Billington's engines were balanced. The only comfortable way to drive an engine with that much overhang is in reverse! I don't care if their tank engines, you can't see that much with the coal bunker behind you. As for the DXs, they're disappearance could either be from the Scrap & Build policy, or the fact that their the only engines I've seen in photos with wooden brakes and literally no brakes whatsoever. WHY?! Also, about the steam speed record being broken...even if T1 5550 doesn't break it, it'll be great seeing an actual non-articulated duplex.

1. Bullied Q1 because of its quirkiness. 2.West Country Class because it looks amazing and it's a pacific. 3. Hall Class because its sexy 4.GWR 57XX because it's a pannier and it's good. 5.9F because of how strong it is. 6.Grrsley A4 because it's a A4 7.Gresley P2 Mikado because its sexy. 8.Stirling Single 9.Coronation Class. 10.Castle Class

i love this video made me chuckle

I would not say that Thomas is embarrassing and more a helpful thing. That has helped heritage railways to keep going and to give them a future. I liked Trainspotting live and it was very good. In my opinion is better than the steam program on BBC 2.

@robertsowden1454

7 жыл бұрын

John trainfan101 trainspotting live called the K1 a Black 5 and made us look like fools. Same for Thomas which make us enthusiast seem as little kids. Myself and a few others I know got interest from railways themselves NOT ttte. Railways now don't need or do thomas events because it's a large amount of money felt wasted!

@CecilValeProductions

6 жыл бұрын

I started to take an intrest because of Thomas and Friends, mind you I live in the states but agree about the post s4 parts of the show are a major embarrassment to railway heritage & railway enthusiasts, I agree about the only reason anyone likes the E2s now, my personal list is. 10. Bulleid Pacifics 9. LNER N7 8. BR 4MT 4-6-0 7. S15s 6. SECR P Class 5. GWR Castle Class 4. Stanier Duchesses 3. GWR Small Prairies 2. GWR Mogul 1. GWR Large Prairies

@angrya4pacific738

6 жыл бұрын

Thomas and friends big world adventure

14:49 WHAT IN THE SWEET MOTHER OF GOD IS THAT

@iron1349

7 жыл бұрын

that thing is a Kitson Still Steam-diesel hybrid. Basically, it used a steam engine that used both fuel oil, and the spent heat of a diesel engine to boil water.

@owenmeschter9888

7 жыл бұрын

I hate it more. It's the ugliest thing that has ever existed

@thereadingg3945

6 жыл бұрын

Hating a steam locomotive because it's ugly... It's like being hated at school because you got a lot of acne or you wear "ugly" clothes. How would you feel as a steam engine and others called you ugly because of your design? Pretty upset, right? That's what I thought.

@owenmeschter9888

6 жыл бұрын

Aw don't make me feel bad mate...how come you're not calling Chris out for criticizing that other engine

@Frserthegreenengine

5 жыл бұрын

@@thereadingg3945 well if its an ugly loco and has no redeeming aspects then you can understand why people hate it. The Q1 is a very ugly locomotive, but it was very powerful and was a great machine overall. It's performance made up for its ugliness. The Leader had no redeeming factors and thus was terrible.

Well I'm glad the 7f was on that list. Great countdown Chris, and I completely agree with what you said at the beginning of the video and on the bulleid leader. Keep the faith - Callum

What is your opinion about the streamlined kings?

Am I the only one who enjoyed Trainspotting Live, even if it was a little condescending?

@Sulzer24

7 жыл бұрын

I liked it

@sirrliv

7 жыл бұрын

I didn't think it was as bad as everyone claims. But then 1. I only watched the first episode, and 2. I'm a know-nothing American.

@ewoutro

7 жыл бұрын

I watched one episode. The old man presenter (I don't know their names) mistook a Gresley k4 for a black five. the lady gave a mathematical equation on the simple question of why diesels replaced steam. and the overenthusiastic guy they send out to spot trains had no regard for any other spotters, or people in general, on the platform. I wasn't exactly overwhelmed.

@davidblurton7158

7 жыл бұрын

it was a brave attempt but it was utterly dreadful and made rail enthusiasts look like wierdos full steam ahead was on the other hand one of the best programs i have seen for a long time

@robertsowden1454

7 жыл бұрын

Ewoutro Productions you accuse them of that yet you just called the K1 a K4. The K4 has been out of service for over a year now!

I may be a Great Western Fan but I am also an LSWR, BR STD and Midland Fan too. 1. GWR Castles (MY BAE 'Earl of Ducie' ~ 5054) 2. BR STD 7 'Oliver Cromwell' 3. LSWR T9 4. LSWR M7 5. GWR 14xx 6. GWR County (4-6-0 and 4-4-0) 7. BR STD 5MT 8. LMS 3F 'Jinty' 9. GWR 28xx 10. BR STD 2MT Thats my opinion...and my choice...whats yours everybody?

@almostkentish3042

6 жыл бұрын

St. Gloriana Gaming College 1. LNER A1 (Gresley, NOT Peppercorn) 2. A1 Terrier 3. GWR Pannier Tank 4. A4 5. J94 6. GWR 37xx 7. Fowler 3F 8. Standard 9 9. Bulleid Pacific 10. Black Five

@cr10001

2 жыл бұрын

@TheRoarinSpitty That's unusual, since the GWR and the LSWR were long-time 'enemies' :) But of course you can be a fan of whatever you want. In LSWR terms, I'd also consider the very distinctive Adams T3 (still extant as no 563), noteworthy for its long-wheelbase Adams bogie and outside cylinders when everything else was inside, and boy does it look racy. In GWR terms (and I must admit to not being a GWR fan), I've always thought the Dukedogs looked very distinctive and quite a satisfying shape.

Hey Chris Eden-Green, I wanted ask you something. When you brought the LSWRs15s, I started thinking about the Southern railway and I was wondering what was its relationship withe the other three railways? Because people seem to always talk about the rivalry between the LMS, LNER and GWR, but almost never with the SR.

@cr10001

2 жыл бұрын

The Southern (and its LSWR predecessor constituent) had a life-long rivalry with the GWR for West of England traffic to Exeter and Plymouth. There was very little rivalry with the LMS or the LNER because they just didn't intrude on each other's territory. In fact the LSWR and the Midland co-operated in joint connecting lines across GWR territory such as the Somerset & Dorset Joint Railway (home of the 7F's) and the Midland & South Western Joint. In the south, the South Eastern and the London Chatham & Dover feuded over boat train traffic to the channel ports, which only ended when they amalgamated into the South Eastern & Chatham (SECR). The Brighton (LBSCR) and the South Western were in competition for the Portsmouth traffic. I think all three constituents (LSWR, LBSCR and SECR) were in competition for south London traffic at various times. But they merged into the SR.

A hard choice, but I think that overall my favourite steam engine would have to be GWR Small Prairie Tanks. I have always had a particular soft spot for tank engines, and the Small Prairies. I love the look of them, I love the sound of that western chime whistle and the exhaust beat from those huge cylinders. I love how they look so at home on a western branch line or on a suburban service, and especially on goods trains. They were some of the most versatile engines built by the GWR. Although they were a power class C/4MT, they had yellow route availability. A reasonably powerful engine that can go almost anywhere on the network? Sounds good to me. They're also almost as powerful as their bigger cousins the Large Prairies, but they could go further afield, and those smaller driving wheels mean that they would handle hills almost as well. These things were fast too, topping out and around 70 miles an hour. These things used to basically race Jubilees on the mainline with timed runs. A small western tank engine racing against a midland Express engine? You can't much more awesome than that for steam engines. Yes they had minor faults and issues such as rocking at lower speeds because of the force of the cylinders and lubricating the joints wasn't easy, but none of that stopped them from being one of the GWR's greatest designs

Look, I understand everyone's opinion on the E2. But I completely understand Chris' view on the engine. It's too overrated. He as an adult totally understands the feeling of being associated with Thomas when you tell them you love steam locomotives. It has gone too far. Awdry did a great job with the books. I enjoyed reading them as a kid. The model series were alright, but after a couple of seasons it went downhill very quick. The mass culture is horrible, the toy production everywhere is just terrible and the fanbase of adults is really smashing a huge crater in locomotive enthusiasm. Yes, many young people got into locomotive enthusiasm because of Thomas, but that doesn't mean it's all good now. People talking about the E2 having charm and that it doesn't need Thomas to prove that are seriously taking a shit with themselves. Since none were preserved NO ONE would ever think about rebuilding one or even speak about it. If it wasn't for the blue tank engine it would disappear in time and be stuck in old records. It was a horrible engine and not efficient. I was very ill (appendixes) when I was three years old and my British neighbor (I'm Dutch) brought me a video tape of Thomas Season 1. It was in English and I couldn't understand a word of it, but it certainly created my love for trains. Yes. It means a hell lot to me. But seriously don't get picky on Chris for saying it's shit, because I can totally understand his feelings, and I have to cope with them too, every damn time.

14:49 what in the plumbing is that! No seriously I want too know.

@zeanyt2372

3 жыл бұрын

@Justice Cho thank you! I love weird and interesting designs.

What is your favorite Big four company of the LNER,LMS GWR en SR

The LNER A4s are my favorite too, and I always had the same the same association with the E-type. Both are so elegant and graceful in design and at the same time their streamlined shapes seem very resolute. Part of my philosophy is that really well designed objects naturally derive beauty from function.

LOL well... BBC did have that coming to be fair.. there is only one thing I can say.. Just look at her... that was the only highlight of that BBC program.

@secondvalveservices9856

7 жыл бұрын

I had to do everything for them except present the show!! I'm so glad there not coming to didcot again, they left the maps behind and we used them for lighting up material the next day, that's the only perk of there " visit"

@bluebellModelrailway

7 жыл бұрын

Well least Didcot got something useful out of it... recycling lol

@ejcmoorhouse

7 жыл бұрын

The BBC has redeemed themselves with Full Steam Ahead though presented by the Victorian Farm team. A much better programme by any measure, its educational, fun, engaging and doesn't take the wee wee like Trainspotting Live.

@LNER985

7 жыл бұрын

I liked Trainspotting live and it was very good. In my opinion is better than Full Steam Ahead. As it was not limited just steam and had diesels and electrics. I am more into actually trains than what the effects the railways had and there is nothing wrong with spotting for trains.

@ejcmoorhouse

7 жыл бұрын

John trainfan101 For me its the transformation effect railways have that make them so interesting.

mr. green, if i may call you that, i have something i have to say to you. first off, i normally love your work don't get me wrong but i have some mixed emotions about your E2 review in this latest film. now, i'm sure that you may very well have a point about the real E2's being "terrible", and frankly i'm rather disappointed that you don't like them enough to properly review because as i said i really do like your work, however i for one was seriously offended when you stated that Thomas the tank engine was an embarrassment to the rail enthusiast community. although i have little respect for the show after season 6, but i will have you know that the earliest episodes were what i grew up on watching with my grandmother. also the railway series is actually more interesting and deep that most people realize, don't believe me than look it up and look for yourself. now i'm sure that you have you're own personal reasons for hating the series, however there are most likely some other people like me out there who do feel a very strong personal connection to the railway series who will speak out. and in your own words, you don't want to start any arguments. so, with all due respect, you are entitled to your own opinion i am certainly not saying otherwise, however if you have that strong an opinion that others might speak up against, than i personally would keep it to myself, just a little friendly advice for the future. anyway, thank you for your amazing magazine series, "steam locos in profile" and i do hope you keep up the good work. thank you.

Have you seen pics or models of BR's Beyer Garatte 2-6-0+0-6-2, or LNER 2-8-0+0-8-2?

Do you plan on doing a top ten narrow gauge British steam locomotives list?

reasons why the pacer would be on my top 10 list. 1. its a bus 2. it looks cool and has done okay 3. is a small DMU that basically can go any where almost 4. it looks like it has some cool history

@justinhicks4897

6 жыл бұрын

Goods Van Productions I'm sorry but I hate the pacer so I must hate you as well it's engine men's code also one got squished by a class 66 it was awesome because no one was in it

Wow, so many people put out by his opinion of the E2. I for one agree with him; E2s weren't all that much to talk about and let's be honest: the only reason you know about E2 tanks is because of the Railway Series and nothing else. The class literally had no legs to stand on. About the whole speed record bit starting at 17:30: I agree completely. Why would anyone want to attempt to break Mallard's speed record? Mallard herself failed as she broke the record being pushed beyond her physical limitations, and who wants to push an engine that hard when it's hard enough and expensive enough already to repair and maintain one of these beasts. Yet there is one group of blokes here in the states who are building a new steam locomotive for no other reason than to break said record: the T1 Locomotive Trust. The trust aims to build a PRR 4-4-4-4 T1 over a period of about 20 years then take it to some test track and attempt to break the speed record. Why? Probably something nonsensical like "Cause we're America and we *have* to be the fastest". Hey, I'm American and I'm more than happy to let Mallard keep her record. Having the fastest steam locomotive is not going to prove anything anymore, so why pursue it? Let's not forget that the T1s were awful locomotives. They were fast, but that was their only positive characteristic. They were nightmares to maintain, they were extremely prone to slipping, their frames cracked, they were ugly as sin, and due to several other faults they were retired early. So early in fact that the K4s pacific, the locomotives the T1s were supposed to replace on top link work, outlived all of the T1s and retained their title of top express engines on the PRR. Huh, a design made in 1914 beat out a design from 1942. If that's not pathetic I don't know what is. Also I've heard that this new locomotive is already being preemptively banned from running in certain places in the United States. On top of that, even if that blasted T1 does beat the record, what else is it going to do? Steam simply does not run fast in the USA, and there is almost nowhere outside the Northeast Corridor something like a T1 can show off its only good feature: its high-speed capabilities. Honestly when I first heard about the project I hoped it was a hoax. Then I hoped it would just go away. Now I'm hoping that I get an overdose of "Schadenfreude" when that stupid thing finally does roll out of the works and it *doesn't* draw the crowds.

@justinhicks4897

6 жыл бұрын

david whiting you know many American steam engines beat mallards record the only reason no one found out about one-of the C&O 4-6-4 hitting 132 mph on a troupe trains in world war 2 was because Americas government didn't want the other country's finding out about there fast strong locos

@justinhicks4897

6 жыл бұрын

I really like the t1 because of how strong fast and cool the shark nose stream lining

@4501driver

6 жыл бұрын

Before I annoy someone. I do not like the prr t1. I think it's ugly. And all the issues she had were enough to end her career short. But I see nothing wrong with trying to prove that steam can go faster even after the end of steam. The fact that it's a divided argument is idiotic. Why would one side try to brag without a loco in the first side. And why would the other side even care if steam can go faster than another ugly steamer (yea I know my bad I like generic coal drag steamers I don't like streamliners pls understand) the fact that people want to better steam technology in the first place should make people excited to see what will happen. So idk. I like to argue and pick neither side. I just like steam

@cr10001

2 жыл бұрын

@@justinhicks4897 That argument makes no sense whatever, why would it matter if any other country, ally or enemy, knew about the speed (or otherwise) of American locos? What was anyone else ever going to do about it, and what military purpose would it ever serve? If the C&O had done it, it might have been useful propaganda, that's all.

A brilliant video.

What are your opinions on the LNER D49’s Chris? Cheers, Sam.

Yah no one can ever outwit Mallard's speed record of 126 miles per-hour. But there are some in the US that think a T1 Duplex can break that record at exciting 140 mph. They say that but no solid evidence documented by dynamometer cars were rec. because they were prone to have violent wheel slipping. The reason I bring this up is because there are dozens of idiots out there that are saying that America's new T1 Duplex mainline steam locomotive that'll be finished in 2030 will break Mallard's record. I mean just because it had extra two pairs of cylinders and 4 driving wheels, doesn't mean they can go faster than a streamlined New York Central Railroad locomotive like the Commodore Vanderbilt or the Hiawatha. It's simply because T1s were built for WWII's purpose, not to accede LNER A class fleet speed records. -_- Jesus! Do these Americans not see the fact that it's not streamlined like an A4? Sir Nigel Gresley has made worth something very unique and very special in our lives of British Rail history. A4s. And I have to agree with you on that top number 1 favorite of your Chris.

@Wally34070

6 жыл бұрын

An original bullied on steroids could beat it 😂😂😂

@trashonatrain6362

6 жыл бұрын

1. The NYC's Hudsons averaged 60 and were capable of 80 at best. As much as I love the NYC's Hudsons, the T1 could kick their butt in terms of speed and power. 2. Hiawathas were not the New York Central locomotives, they were Milwaukee Road locomotives. 3. While it wasn't built to break the record, it was designed with speed in mind. As far as I'm aware, they were built to be a faster and stronger version a 4-8-4. Thanks to improved mechanics and prior knowledge of what worked and what didn't, I'm confident that the T1 could reach and exceed 126. 4. When it comes to stats, the only thing the Mallard would probably have over the T1 is size, because everything is bigger in America. That and valve gear, because poppet valves sucked. 5. The T1 is special to many Americans. Many Americans will tell you that it looks better, and had a better design. The T1s were unique. Why does the sentimental value that Brits have more important than the sentimental value that Americans have? Overall, your last paragraph seems insensitive and arrogant. 6. *exceed And as a note to ethycraft, the fact that it would need steroids would imply that the T1 could beat it.

@guythewise2650

6 жыл бұрын

Excuse me, as this is a new reply on an 11-month-old comment, but DachshundRailfan is rather correct. However, this won't stop me from expanding upon that comment. I'll be replying to DachshundRailfan as well. 1) How sure are you that Mallard can't be beaten? In all technicality, the Pennsylvania Railroad T1 was built for both speed and power, as evidenced by the trains they pulled, not for WWII. Sure, there is photographic evidence of 6110 pulling freight, but that's not what it was meant for. Why would someone streamline locomotives if they were meant to pull freight? The main design trend for freight locomotive has always been utilitarian. 2) There is evidence of the T1 having the capability of 140mph+ operation. That proof is on paper, not in real life. The original T1s' valve gear couldn't take speeds in excess of 100mph. This was due to mild steel originally being used, which wasn't a strong enough alloy to cope with the combined weight and speed. Either way, the Pennsy's trackwork really didn't allow the engines to exceed such speeds without risk of tearing up steel from either the engine or the track. Asides from that, have you checked out the stats? 3) True, the T1's were prone to violent wheelslip, but that was from their design and intended jobs. Remember: the T1's were designed to pull heavy express trains such as the Broadway Limited at high speed. Engine + full tender weight: 944,700 lbs Tractive effort: 64,650 lbf (force in pounds) Adhesive weight: 279,910 lb Axle load: 71,680 lb / 31.51t That's really not a reason or even an excuse why they weren't documented with dynamometer cars. Either way, the T1's did have speedometers in their cabs. The unfortunate thing is that they didn't have in-cab recorders back then. 4) The NYC did have the Commodore Vanderbilt, but not the MILW F7, which is what I'm guessing you're referring to as the Hiawatha. You're probably thinking of the NYC J3a's, based on wheel configuration. 5) Do locomotives really have to be streamlined like one long sloping wedge from top to bottom? Either way, the T1's sharknose streamlining did influence the ALCo RF16's design. Plus, speed isn't determined by one single factor. Streamlining is more about reducing fuel consumption than anything else. That's kind of the reason why all the streamlining was eventually removed from the LMS Coronations. Remember: Flying Scotsman done 100mph without streamlining. 6) I figured the Flying Scotsman would be more unique due to it officially proving that steam locomotives can exceed 100mph. 7) Are you seriously putting Americans down for having dreams? Besides, records are meant to be broken. Just ask the Japanese about their maglev. However, I will grant you this: the LNER's A series could definitely beat the T1 in acceleration due to them having not as much mass. The difference is practically day and night. But, the reason why the A's weren't so heavy was because they didn't need to pull as much mass, as weight can greatly influence pulling power. LNER Elizabethan, BR Maroon era: 11 coaches PRR Broadway Limited, same timeframe: 16 coaches Let's assume the BR formed the Elizabethan purely with MK1 stock at their heaviest: 40.9t (short) * 11 = 449.9t = 899,800lbs Now lets assume the Pennsy formed the Broadway Limited with purely ACF lightweight stock at their heaviest: 86t * 16 = 2,752,000 So yeah. Heavier locomotive (T1) for heavier train (Broadway Limited). Can these Brits not pull half-mile-long trains? American locomotive builders have made some worth very unique locomotives, such as the T1, the J3a, well-performing 4-4-0's, and the gas-turbine locomotives. These very special machines greatly influenced our American railroading history and still continue to influence us today. Also, please, next time, use proper English when typing. It's rather hard to understand what people type without correct punctuation. Your English teacher really wouldn't be proud of you. Edit 1: To Isaiah: Wrong to a detailed point and correct to a timeline point. The A1 was somewhat based off of the K4, but I get where you're coming from, since the A4 was the progression of the A3, which was the progression of the A1. Sad to see Britain come into the 4-6-2 game one decade later. Even sadder that Britain never got into 4-6-4's.

@isaiahmoats6512

6 жыл бұрын

RailLord I shall fix my friend told me the a4 is like a k4

@isaiahmoats6512

6 жыл бұрын

A4 to black five t1 overtakes

I respect your opnion about E2 class but I don't Thomas is an embaressment im not trying to be mean but Thomas and friends has gone on for 70 years

Absolutely fantastic vid, very accurate and I could not stop laughing at times!

My favourite has to be the Raven Q6. I love how despite the more modern & more powerful alternatives that became available after the NER was grouped into the LNER, they still survived to the end of eastern region steam despite lacking vacuum brakes. Not only that, they're devilishly handsome machines, that chunky long boiler with motion to match & that 0-8-0 wheel arrangement really strikes a chord with me too, it seems such a loss that only one survived (with a Q5 tender incidentally)

The T1 will never beat the LNER A4 speed record!

The e2's and thomas the tank engine are not shit. I love trains and it all started with Thomas the Tank Engine. I'm 12 years old and i still like thomas.

@Ty-yt3lj

6 жыл бұрын

12 YEAR OLD SUPERNORMIE ALERT! he has a point with the E2, but a southern fireman once used an E2 for banking, and it apparently did farely well. not to mention the massive tractive effort by 1915 standards. did i mention that the E2 was BUILT for SHUNTING?

@angrya4pacific738

6 жыл бұрын

I'm 12 and I like Thomas but face it Thomas the tank engine is shit now with Big world adventures I only watch The original series and watch fan made videos and I read the railway series but the E2s were pretty shit you just don't know anything about a locomotive

@dubsy1026

6 жыл бұрын

You have a few years left at most

I totally agree with you Chris, A 4's are so elegant Machines , being an LNER man.

Very nice video