Those 871 Games are just the Games that are tested up until now. They add new Games like daily. 22 in the Time this Video was made until now alone. I have yet to see any Game that does NOT run on the Steam Deck. There is always a way to make it work.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

Not in a million years will every Steam game run on the Steam Deck.

@madjunir

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoeChip not every Windows game runs on Windows either. I had my fair share of games not working anymore. In fact some games not working correctly on Windows did work better on Proton to my surprise. Proton is new technology and when Developers get used to testing on it and the Steam Deck there will be a lot more compatibility. In fact I expect a large chunk of future and upcoming games to work on Proton / Deck going forward. Just look how they got new big ports God of War, Horizon, Forza 5 and Elden Ring all working. Right now with the amount of games it has being verified is more than any console at launch

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

@@madjunir I said the same in the video.

@retroprogamer7009

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoeChip Show me a Game that is not running right now.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

@@retroprogamer7009 I can do better than that, I can give you a list: www.protondb.com/explore?sort=fixWanted

The steam deck will definitely encourage more support and development for games to run on this and simply just Linux and that’s great news for anyone that cares. There’s a chance a bunch of games will never run properly on steam deck, but there’s also the hope of other hobbyist developers making them either “run somewhat effectively” or work with certain emulators. Steam deck is definitely not only a console, but a tool for developers.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

I don't disagree.

Honestly not all Steam games run in Windows either, I have tons of older games with deprecated license servers, unavailable 3rd party tools like "Games for Live Windows", "Gamespy" etc. I have also had trouble with games like Psychonauts & Beyond Good & Evil having graphical glitches (Unless you look at community guides on how to fix- or patch these old games... which can admittedly often be applied to Linux as well). The only difference is that Steam in Windows don't have data on all of those titles. I would argue that we are VERY close to having equal compatibility in Linux, except anti-cheat and VR-games. (which is expected) And honestly I wouldn't like to play either of these kind of games on the steam deck. First off, in competitive games you are at a severe competitive disadvantage using a controller (no matter if you are a touchpad-gyro wizard). Many multiplayer games wouldn't be fun. And when it comes to VR, well the Steam Deck doesn't have the grunt to run many of them. So really, I am positive towards Valve's commitment to the Steam Deck. I run Linux on my laptop, and most games just work out of the box for it, Especially with the latest version of Proton. Windows doesn't equal 100% gold standard either.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

Yes but you’re pretty much making my point for me. If games have trouble running on a PC under Windows, why would anyone think they’re going to work on the Steam Deck?

@Fender178

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoeChip Well in defense of those people in some cases Games run better under Linux than they do Windows so that is where they get that idea from and it is true in some cases.

@mindaugasstankus5943

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoeChip DOSBox for MS DOS games. Wine/Proton can (will) do(-ing) that with general software and DirectX 8, 9, 10, 11 12 and future ones, which will abandoned no doubt. Digital preservation and similar stuff. Not many are open sourced or "modernized" (ported) to modern systems. And who can afford get hand on original hardware. People have no slightest idea what wine/proton is?

I think the input is not a huge problem since you can make a lot of games playable via configurations for the gamepad controls, touchpads, gyro and additional buttons. In worst case you can use an external mouse or keyboard as well which is just somewhat inconvenient. But you can still play the game. What's more annoying is the aspect of text or UI not scaling to the smaller screen. So in some games you won't be able to read important text on the screen. Valve has implemented a magnifier to help with that but I assume the best way to tackle this problem is an external monitor with higher resolution. However then it becomes a potential performance issue depending on the game. If it's just a slower text based game, you should be able to play it. But if it's an RTS game were performance matters more, you have to hope lower settings will enable you to play on 1080p since upscaling would hassle with the texts readability again. ^^' So I agree this problems are issues but they are not fully without solutions. There will obviously still be some rare game which won't work with Proton until it gets patched to allow that game as well. Some games with anticheat software might not be playable at all as long their publisher won't allow it. Therefore nobody should expect to play all games on the Deck. But it's definitely more games than on any other console ever... in the end I think that's reasonable. ^^'

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, great post. Totally agree.

@chrisallen9638

2 жыл бұрын

I think UI mods are gonna become quite common soon to make HUD elements much easier to see on smaller displays like this.

@coryv5679

2 жыл бұрын

It's not really and problem because you can dual boot into Windows. When they get drivers out people will be able to play their Steam games.

There are way too many games on steam to claim that the steamdeck can play all games it can simply not be done

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

I agree.

This video is such a straightforward take, that I was surprised by people's reaction. I guess the people are interpreting this video as you digging on the deck instead of you trying to set realistic expectations. Personally I think 90%+ compatibility is more than achievable. There are no hard technical barriers, but "completing" Proton will take sustained and dedicated effort. I do take issue with your claim at 9:11. Not because I think it's wrong but because I think the logic used to get there is wrong. I think the range of verified titles will approach/match the switch within 2 deck generations. At 9:30 we already see the games that have been recommended by 3 or more on ProtonDB exceeds the switch's catalogue. However if creating a performant handheld with a compelling library was all it took to beat nintendo, the vita would be top dog today. Unfortunately I have no idea what the necessary "it factor" could be.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

Great comment, Daniel. Cheers.

I have one on preorder and agree with you it won’t run everything. And then there’s the games I won’t want to play in handheld mode. I’m looking forwards to it though as I’ve held off playing some games just for it.

I'm pretty sure there are work arounds for just about every game. On the other hand, you'll basically be making it into a slimform PC you have plugged into a monitor with a mouse and keyboard, with an external harddrive dualbooting into Windows.

still love my gpd win3 which I bough last year, I got thundebolt support, wifi 6, windows license, 1tb ssd.

2:47 yikes no audio that's embarrassing 😂 It's not really fair to say that something will or won't run every game deterministically. You cannot say for sure either way that it will ever run or not run every game at some point. It's more likely that it won't but it's far from impossible. Only the Sith deal in absolutes, I feel that nerdy reference applies here.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

More bloody annoying than embarrassing. The audio was working fine during editing. I have put a link into the full GN video, though, and it’s definitely worth watching. GN do fantastic work. I can say with absolute certainty that some games will never run (or run well) on the Steam Deck. But I have also said (repeatedly) that that doesn’t matter if people go in with their eyes open. Some games won’t run (or require huge amounts of work to get running) on Windows even though they are on sale on Steam. Some of us have been moaning about that for years. The Steam Deck adds a further layer of complexity in that you have to use a compatibility layer with many games. It’s just not feasible to think that every game will run. And even if you could get them to run, would they be enjoyable to play?

@coryv5679

2 жыл бұрын

I mean people can just dual boot into Windows and play their Steam games just fine.

@emerson-biggons7078

2 жыл бұрын

@@coryv5679 that is not a great idea

I'm more concerned that you don't use Dark mode option on KZread.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

Even wilder is I'm watching this video on the 3rd (2 days after this posted) and the numbers are now Verified: 521 Verified or Playable: 976. So basically the numbers jumped 100 each by just 2 days. Progress.

I still believe it will eventually can play all game on my steam. I don't have much anyway.

I'm not surprised by this do linux but i still have larger library to access compared to my switch so I am fine with it I didn't picture it playing to many games like rts and some multplayer games do to the anti cheat. Also that's a lot of games I don't expect everything to play hope you get your deck in a few months as well.

Yes it will if you dual boot.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

It really won’t.

from when this video has released the games have doubled in 3 weeks.... hmmm

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

the number of games will keep increasing but so will the number of games that are confirmed not to run. It's inevitable that some games won't run. Hell, some games won't even run properly on a fully fledged PC, why would they run on the Steam Deck?

I am sort of surprised by which games don't work. I knew VR games would not work. I thought newer games with high end graphics might not work, I knew games with anti-cheat would not work on launch. I did not realize that if its a 2D RPG forget it, its too taxing on the system. I image at some point this will be fixed, but I find it funny how many are just older RPGs are on the unsupported list.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

One of the problems is that a lot of older games struggle to run on newer systems, even under Windows. Add in the fact that this needs a compatibility layer and doesn’t use a keyboard and mouse (you can plug one in but you know what I mean) and it was inevitable that some games won’t run. I don’t think that’s at all a controversial statement to make as it’s blindingly bloody obvious. I don’t think that’s a huge problem, though, given the size of the library on offer but people should go in with their eyes open.

I don't think anyone who is a PC gamer expected full compatibility with the entire steam library. And PC gamers are squarely who it is marketed at, you even need a steam account to order one !

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

Well, not the sensible ones anyway. Unfortunately it appears there are a fair few who aren’t sensible. Not the majority, clearly, but a sizeable minority.

@demonhighwayman9403

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoeChip I think even the ones who will complain knew the situation, people just like to get outraged these days.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

@@demonhighwayman9403 Yeah, good point.

With me I never expected to play every Steam title especially Multiplayer games that have some kind of Anit-Cheat that the devs of those games don't enable under Linux such as Easy Anti-Cheat and Battle Eye. I more or less expected majority of Steam titles to work on the Deck that are Single Player and some Multiplayer games that use a form of Anti-Cheat that doesn't matter what OS it is running on like what Blizzard uses for their Titles so it can still run without any major issues.

@mindaugasstankus5943

2 жыл бұрын

Games working, middleware (anti-cheat, anti-tamper, spyware) don't/not fully. Interesting how many of them run on dedicated Linux servers...

You can play all your Steam Games on a Nintendo Switch and PS5!!!

I love your non bias take

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you👍

It will. All I have to do is install windows.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

That won’t work currently as there aren’t windows drivers. I expect that to change but even then there will be games that don’t run or run badly.

It’s just dumb as fuck how they pushed it as a do whatever a pc can do device when it can’t even play most games I have a library of 200+ games but can only play 60 on the steam deck I regret preordering this thing tbh it’s just collects dust on my desk next to my pc

@JoeChip

Жыл бұрын

I don’t regret my purchase but I do think a lot of the coverage was misleading. One guy even made a video trying to mock me for saying all games won’t play on the system when it was painfully obvious to me that that would be the case.

There's nothing to get over for me, the point is that the Steam Deck allows me to install Windows when something doesn't work.

Still has a bigger launch library than any console in history 🤷

@metatronblack

2 жыл бұрын

But who's buying it , besides people already a hardcore PC and those games you're trying to throw out are most old🙄🙄🙄

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

I actually said that in the video, Marvin. Stop winding people up Chuck (up chuck 😂), you know some people get tetchy 😉

@metatronblack

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoeChip well I can be ass 🤣🤣🤣

@marvyrvygarvy408

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoeChip lol

never say never

As long as it can play Minecraft Java so that I can have Java on the go, I’ll be ok

I haven't heard anyone, unless they are incredibly naive/ignorant, say it'll play every single game on Steam. That being said it will play A LOT. And as Proton develops as well as game devs looking at the Steam Deck in mind when making titles, it's possible that it will have many thousands of playable titles in the near future. No need to make two videos trying to defend a silly point which ultimately just pits people against people.

@charlescortes1935

2 жыл бұрын

My problem with these reviews is that they make it seem as if it's broken and can never be fixed. Only an idiot would have believed that every game would work out of the box. Half of my collection of tested games will work and I'm not a crybaby who has to be treated like an iPhone user who needs everything to be easy out of the box. I like tweaking.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

Just look at some of the comments here and on my other videos and you will find people are saying every game will run on the Steam Deck. I’m merely telling people they need to have more realistic expectations. Not sure why people keep misunderstanding that point, I’ve been pretty consistent in making it.

@garypinholster1962

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoeChip it's the way you come off. The title of the videos. And the fact you made two about the same topic. I'm saying this from a presepective of care too. I want to see these kinds of channels succeed but as the kind of person that goes to find these videos especially from smaller channels seeing the same topic talked about multiple times comes off as a "I told you so" as if to stroke an ego kinda vibe. Ya dig? I know you have good intention and mean well as I'm sure everyone else does. It's just the way it comes off.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

@@garypinholster1962 I was actually attacked for my first video. One guy even made a 30 minute long video calling me a liar. Now the Steam Deck is out it is clear that I was right (if it wasn’t already), and even if I was wrong I’m certainly no bloody liar. Some people just don’t like to hear the truth, unfortunately. As I say, you only have to read some of the comments to see that. It’s weird because, as I keep saying, I’m a fan of the Steam Deck. I think some people just sit around waiting to be offended. Not you, incidentally, I think your comments are reasonable even while I disagree some of what you are saying.

@garypinholster1962

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoeChip Anybody to make a 30 minute video about how you are wrong is a fool you were right lol

Did anyone actually assume that it would? Lol

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

Well, I got a fair bit of abuse for suggesting it wouldn't, so...

@ReptilianRichardRamirez

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoeChip Are you serious? People on the internet man... Sad individuals without even a hint of critical thinking or respect. I bet they were all from America 🤣

@ReptilianRichardRamirez

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoeChip did you order a Steam Deck or plan to? I decided to wait. Just bought both of the new consoles and a new gaming rig so I couldn't justify spending more at the current time.

There is Not enougth SSD Space or SD Card Space for all Steam Games.

Looks like Apex legends is now working. Let's hope some others follow soon. But in the meantime there's quite a lot to play anyway.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

I agree.

Yes it will... Once they get drivers on Windows it will run everything Steam has. >.>

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

Given that quite a few games either don’t run or run badly under Widows, I suspect not. And that’s before we even start talking about games that require a keyboard and mouse to play.

you should definitely cancel your reservation.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

Why?

@MrHkl8324

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoeChip So that valve will ship yours to me.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrHkl8324 Sorry but there’s not a chance in hell. I’m looking forward to getting my hands on it.

This aint gonna age well.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

Why not? Did you watch the video?

Just install windows and plug in a keyboard and mouse it is still a computer at the end of the day regardless of how many people say it 's a console

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

That won't work currently due to a lack of drivers.

@MrRetroIsland

2 жыл бұрын

kbm is just plug and play, theres no need for a driver

@ricogt7092

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure amd said that drivers are on the way so this won't be an issue for long

you don't know that

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

Well, I could be wrong… But I’m not. Come back and tell me I’m wrong when every game runs. I can wait.

@Slavetotheallmighty

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoeChip I personally don't care Gta4 gta5 and RDR2 work and God of War shadow of war Possibly other games I like will work 😌 so that's everything for meeee

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

@@Slavetotheallmighty You see, that’s much more realistic. I have a similar view, in fact. There will be plenty of games to play on the Steam Deck, many of them that won’t need any tweaking, and that’s awesome.

Please watch all of this video before commenting. Also, apologies for the dropped audio on the Gamers Nexus section. It was working during editing, so I’m not sure what happened. Unfortunately, KZread won’t let you patch in small sections of audio, so short of re-uploading, I’m stuck. The original video is linked in the description, though, and it’s definitely worth watching in full. GN always do excellent breakdowns of this stuff.

@ReptilianRichardRamirez

2 жыл бұрын

The clip of buddy from GN has no audio FYI

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReptilianRichardRamirez Cheers. That's bloody annoying. It worked during editing.

@SamuHell782

2 жыл бұрын

How dare you! I'm an insufferable twat with self esteem issues and I demand you take my unwarranted abuse! Good day to you Sir!

Hater ! This system will eventually run mostly everything

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

You clearly weren’t paying attention. “Hater”? 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

The Steam Deck will never f my mom either but who cares.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

Your mum might 😉

It's simply the reality of the situation. Valve has done some great work so far, I mean, they decided to make a budget handheld gaming PC that ALSO runs Linux???! It was obvious to me from the start that there would be compatibility issues and some games would not be ideal for the handheld form factor. The performance it offers though really helps me overlook it's current faults.

Install Windows, period.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think that’s going to be the panacea that some people think.

PC fanboys are just as toxic as console fanboys, the device has alot of flaws and is absolutely not ready for the main stream/casual gamers at all.. It will fail in that sense... Valve is only focused on the most popular games on steam, it's not worth the time or effort to test and make every single steam game available for the deck... But fanboys take everything personally even if it's obviously true

dumbest video award. Not only was the video made just about when the deck first batch released, Steam deck is constantly being updated and more games verified..... Valve are consistantly getting feedback, and many games are constantly being veriied. Even games that arent verified play however..... right now around 1400 games play.. Then theres emulation (which many, including myself, are buying the deck for) .....Where tens of thousands of games play great.

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

And yet, despite everything you say the fact remains that the Steam Deck will never play all your Steam games. What's funny, though, is you think that's a criticism of the Steam Deck. It isn't. It's a criticism of fanboys who can't accept the blindingly obvious.

And they really should've just made it like a Switch or Tablet, then at least you're not sinking $600 into a bulky handheld with fixed controllers.

@charlescortes1935

2 жыл бұрын

Your argument makes no sense. No one wants a tablet and the Switch Lite has fixed controllers and the Switch itself is not exactly tiny, even the Switch lite made more sense if you ignore the fact it can't switch while still called the Switch. And the size is not that bad. I see these complaints about size as simply an excuse to criticize something you haven't actually experienced yet but feel complained to criticize it anyways.

@newbutthunt

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlescortes1935 I have a red box Switch, and it would suck to have those tiny JoyCons permanently attached. I play it primarily as a "All-in-one" console like a tablet with a controller. I've also owned: Gameboy, Gameboy Color, SEGA Game Gear, PSP and now Switch.

@charlescortes1935

2 жыл бұрын

@@newbutthunt If the joy cons were permanently attached it would defeat the point of the name of the console and the design. The Steam Deck wasn't meant to be a switchable console beyond being able to play it on a bigger screen. Ironically enough the Steam Deck is a literal all-in-one console where you can game, watch videos, listen to music and even edit documents and media. Sounds to me like the Steam Deck is nearly a perfect console for you minus the inability to disconnect the controllers. Oh, and I have owned multiple consoles as well: Atari 5200, Sega Master System, Sega Gamegear NES, SNES, Nintendo 64, Gamecube, Wii, Gameboy, Gameboy Advanced, 3DS, Switch, Switch Lite, PS2, PS3, PS4, PSP, Xbox One and soon the Steam Deck. I've also owned multiple gaming PCs and tablets. So, I know a thing or two about gaming systems.

@newbutthunt

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlescortes1935 No SouljaBoy console. flippin casual

@charlescortes1935

2 жыл бұрын

@@newbutthunt nope, I did have an Nvidia Shield tablet and Shield TV with game controller.

There was no sound to the video you showed 🤫 but who cares about the steam deck really?

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, several people have pointed that out. It’s bloody annoying because it played fine during editing, so I really have no idea what happened. I’ve linked to the entire GN video, though, and that’s definitely worth watching. But how dare you, sir? Everybody has to have the same enthusiasm for the Steam Deck as me. It’s mandatory 😉

@metatronblack

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoeChip Sir and I mean Sir you don't care about the Steam Deck but about the Amico Handheld called the Amico 7xx34DSRTX3200PP45+

Battery is garbage . Joysticks drift , steam deck sucks

@JoeChip

2 жыл бұрын

That drift issue has already been sorted, apparently.