Verhoeven comes across like the embodiment of that line "I know filmmakers who use subtext; they're all cowards."

@morganrobinson8042

3 жыл бұрын

Darkplace, nice!

@ConvincingPeople

3 жыл бұрын

"What if Garth Marenghi were a serious secular theologian?" This question will haunt me to my grave. Thank you? I think?

@StormShadowHarris

3 жыл бұрын

"I AM NOT PREDJUDICED, alright? That is what i'm saying, i am NOT predjudiced. But Joe Public is. You probably are, you look like a dropout. ...Point being, i wrote this to heal America." -Robert Heinlein, 1959

"That's my Rutger Hauer impression." "That's great, honey." I love that you left that bit in.

You know a film essay is great when it’s over an hour long and you’re still disappointed when it ends.

@38procentkrytyk

3 жыл бұрын

Unless you hear it and doesn't find any information that might satisfy you.

@residentgrey

3 жыл бұрын

This is also from Kyle. It's his schtick. He is adept at doing so.

@chuckporter9526

3 жыл бұрын

I was shocked -- all of a sudden it ends, and I'm staring slach-jawed at "stay tuned for Part Three." Why you gotta do ya boy like that, Kyle.

@jmalmsten

3 жыл бұрын

not merely an hour. But one and a half hours... all of which is part two out of... three? ... And... he's barely started talking about the film in the title. But I'm not complaining. I am learning tons of stuff about Verhoeven and Dutch culture I only knew vaguely of before.

Woof. The shower scene intercut with all the grisly deaths of the characters is far more effective than I would have thought

@klisterklister2367

3 жыл бұрын

that was rough to watch

@fireballninja01

3 жыл бұрын

The shower scene intercut with the character deaths pointed out something I had never noticed. When the guy says that Harvard would cost “an arm and a leg” and then loses a leg, you get excited, a bit hopeful for him, that he will lose that arm and leg, but he’ll still get to Harvard. When it’s shown that he’s surrounded and will die, it subverts that, Chekhov’s gun shot the person wielding it. I think that shows well the idea that Fascism’s individualist nature is because that way, everybody else can die.

@gozerthegozarian9500

3 жыл бұрын

Kyle's really flexing his filmmaking skills on that one, impressive work!

@the-real-Lovefist

3 жыл бұрын

Pure genius

@DubiousConsumption

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know if it's a failing or inspired that I had never connected those deaths to the shower scene, like everyone becomes faceless grunts in the battles. But, I do love seeing the two put together, and makes me enjoy the film more.

Reminds me of an old joke from elementary school in Germany: A Swiss, and Englishman and an American find a small boy tied to a tree with an apple on his head. The Swissman pulls out his crossbow, shoots through the apple and declares "I'm Wilhelm Tell!" The Englishman pulls out his bow and arrow, shoots through the apple and declares "I'm Robin Hood!" The American pulls out his revolver, shoots the boy in the face and declares "I'm sorry"

@the-real-Lovefist

3 жыл бұрын

As an American, I can’t breathe, from laughing so hard.

@Jaspertine

3 жыл бұрын

That's absurd. The American apologized?

@edisonlima4647

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jaspertine To screw up others and half-assedly say "I'm sorry" is one of the most common American estereotypes.

@Jaspertine

3 жыл бұрын

@@edisonlima4647 I see. That particular detail of the American stereotype is a little less common here in Canada. We feel very strongly about apologies up here, it's kind of our thing.

@ChrisMaxfieldActs

3 жыл бұрын

@@edisonlima4647 Or, like Steve Martin's old catch phrase, "Excuse me!"

The shower scene intercut with the character deaths pointed out something I had never noticed. When the guy says that Harvard would cost “an arm and a leg” your brain goes to the literal form of that in war. And you comfort yourself, knowing that with the rules of setup and payoff, he’ll get mangled, but he’ll still get to go to Harvard. When he loses that leg, you get excited, almost root for the bugs, because you’re going “okay here’s where he loses an arm,” but then he gets thrown to a place that looks safe, and you’re left unsatisfied, and then you realize he’s surrounded and will die, and your brain doesn’t know exactly how to respond. Chekhov’s gun misfired, exploded in the hand of the person wielding it-so I guess he did lose that arm after all.

@fireballninja01

3 жыл бұрын

I think that shows well the idea that Fascism is individualist because that way, everybody around you can die. Fascism relies heavily on the denial of emotion, of culture, of diversity, of science, of art, but I should look more into the analysis of how it denies Grief.

I'm a Black American person. The direct discourse style of Dutch people I've encountered is similar to what we call Real Talk, which is used tactically and specifically to discuss issues that pull away from civility/niceness in the wider White American culture, especially among women who are called upon to pave things over, soothe, and act as peacemakers. The peace called for is often a brittle quiet, and not like a legitimate, negotiated-for peace. 🧡

@sycastells1212

3 жыл бұрын

I'm a white autistic American person, and I find the Dutch refreshingly comprehensible.

@rudetuesday

3 жыл бұрын

@@sycastells1212 You're not the first autistic person I've heard this from. I've been changing my language style as a result of encountering more autistic people.

@Bluecho4

3 жыл бұрын

@@rudetuesday As an autistic person, thank you.

@ConvincingPeople

3 жыл бұрын

Diagnosed neurotypical (ADHD and OCD) and maybe autistic, and yeah, this concept is an important one. It's kind of the reverse of stuff like how in Japanese, the standard way to say "I love you (romantically)" is "the moon is beautiful." Which is something I also understand well, but those are modes for different times and places.

@missmarsh1011

3 жыл бұрын

I often think back to the words of the Caledonian chieftain Calgacus, quoted by the Roman writer Tacitus: "they [the Romans] make a solitude and call it peace." The original Latin word, *solitudinem,* is often translated as "desert," "desolation," or "wasteland," but you get the idea. Anyone who thinks the absence of open conflict is the same as peace is kidding themselves.

The story about why the dutch are ok with nudity feels like a bit of a misunderstanding to me as a Swedish person. That openness about nudity and the ability to share bathrooms etc naked with people of all genders is very previvalent in all of the nordic region. I don't think it has so much to do with population and square miles making people live close together, but rather its a cultural and historical legacy (for lack of a less epic word). We've always shared in certain activities with our families and friends in the nude and that builds up a form of normalcy that makes it have a non-sexual context. (Being in a sauna naked with your extended family and friends in finland for example). Its simply not a big deal to most of us.

@UnfortunatelyTheHunger

3 жыл бұрын

🧡 Speaking as another Swede, I kinda want to say that that openness to nudity has diminished for the past 20-30 years, and at least partially blame that on influence from US and UK pop culture. Some like to claim this attitude shift is due to Sweden being, allegedly, more feminist than most other European countries, though I don't think that's a well-thought-out observations; the Swedish feminists I've come across have only had a problem with nudity being sexualized, rather than merely present. No, I think what sets Swedish culture apart from, say, Dutch culture, is our collective obsession with healthy living, the idea that taking on "healthy" habits (e.g. exercising regularly, not doing drugs, getting enough sleep etc) is a virtue in and of itself, rather something one does for ulterior motives, like looking prettier or living longer. It's been a huge part of the our collective psyche since the teetotalist movement arrived here, and what I believe has happened the past few decades, is that horniness is nowadays being seen as something "unhealthy". Sweden's government has had an incredibly strict anti-drug agenda since the 80s, and it's easy to see how one can quickly get from "kids shouldn't be exposed to narcotics" to "kids shouldn't be exposed to violent media" to "kids shouldn't be exposed to sex or sexualized nudity".

@WanderlustZero

Жыл бұрын

🧡 I'd go further and say that's prevalent all across northern Europe, with the possible exception of UK and Ireland. It was very eye-opening, and more than a bit liberating when I first started travelling around Germany and seeing how people would just go topless on a beach or get nekkid in front of everyone in things like festival showers. This contrasts greatly with the super-prudish american attitude being shown here where he squirms and cringes with visible discomfort at the mere thought of any nudity or sexuality.

@Xarfax321

Жыл бұрын

Speaking as a finn, I think there is also an attitude of "There is nothing new underneat the clothes". I mean a person can be extremely hot, but if that person strips down, there is really just the same body parts there that I will find on any other person on the planet. It's not like someone is gonna have TWO cocks or THREE breasts.

I can’t wait to wake up in the morning and have Kyle scream in my face again.

@theothertonydutch

3 жыл бұрын

I remember reading this from before I went to sleep

🧡 ‘here’s why they joined up’ intercut with how they died was... powerful.

@gozerthegozarian9500

3 жыл бұрын

Kyle is really flexing his considerable film-making skills on this one and I'm here for it!

@DonaldWWitt

2 жыл бұрын

@@gozerthegozarian9500 🧡Indeed!

"Yes it's a piece of sh!t but it was food once and if you use it right you could get good fertiliser out of it" iconic

@UnfortunatelyTheHunger

Жыл бұрын

shame that part had to be cut due to copyright claims :(

Holy carp. You went above and beyond what other youtubers did when analyzing that movie, and studied both Paul Verhoeven and his culture in order to understand his version of Starship Troopers. The ending was sobering as hell. Thank you SO MUCH for this video. I cannot wait for the next part.

@dalemarinez5837

2 жыл бұрын

This video taught me one thing. NEVER BE WITH IN 100,000 FT OF VERHOEVEN.

🧡 "Hal, it's about cats" VS "Kyle, it's about bugs"

"Youth is fleeting; immaturity is forever." So good! 🧡

@P3t3rminator

3 жыл бұрын

I'm kinda pro-immaturity. Not in a way that it is harm- or hurtful to others, but to ban all immaturities is to kill a lot of the simple joys in life. I think a lot of stuff that people enjoy could be labeled immature by others. Not dissing the quote, but expanding on the thought.

@annalston1653

3 жыл бұрын

@@P3t3rminator My problem with immaturity is when it hurts other people. I'm pro whimsey and joy.

@the-real-Lovefist

3 жыл бұрын

I just heard this line in the FF VII remake after watching this. Weird synchronicity.

@brianrose85

3 жыл бұрын

"Paul, chill!"

@ScorpionViper1001

3 жыл бұрын

@@brianrose85 Paul clearly has no chill.

"Are you gonna ask me any that more than ten people have seen?" Turks fruit/Turkish Delight was and remains the best visited Dutch film of all time. During its theatrical run it was seen by one quarter of the entire Dutch population. Those are Avatar numbers.

@TheJanpietjoris

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking! Turks Fruit is such a staple of Dutch culture, almost everyone here has either seen it or at least knows about it.

@mkallgren08

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah.... that was an error on my part. Whoops! :)

@tereziamarkova2822

3 жыл бұрын

I've read the book in high school. I remember it being incredibly sad, but also full of weird sex stuff and gross-out moment. It was... An experience.

@jmalmsten

3 жыл бұрын

@Jonas Jamal @Konnor Xavier Obvious spam is obvious

@JaapZeldenrust

3 жыл бұрын

@@mkallgren08 It works as commentary on the insular nature of American culture.

Kyle i had chills when you were pointing out the differences between American and Dutch views of politeness and rudeness. i have had 2 encounters one recent and one from years past the latter being very disturbing. The most recent one i was getting into a argument with a friend over Elon Musk i pointed out i dont like how in my opinion he is just wasting money trying to get to mars, my friend countered he has the resources and know how and we will see great improvement in tech because of it. I was going to respond by pointing out the unethical practices he and his ilk use to claim such resources (union-busting, fighting against higher wages etc) But i stopped because i knew the fight to be pointless because like most of the other people where i live (east Texas) he would of simply have viewed these problems as just the way things are and it would be wrong to go against it. But the worst one like i mentioned was when i was just out of high school and taking some college level courses at said school at night back in 2004. The teacher was teaching Civics/gov stuff and at one point brought up a murder that happened in our town. A black man had been accused of a crime and mid trial he was found dead in the court room overnight and there was no investigation into it (this occurred late between the 60's and 70's if my memory is correct). She asked us to ask our parents/grandparents if they remember the incident and note there reactions. So i did and they said they didn't and while i believed them what struck me is that my parents (and virtually everyone else's in the class) responded the same "She doesn't need to be asking about that stuff and neither do you" or "She doesn't need to be dredging up stuff from the past" So yeah that line of yours "(American) Rudeness is based on pointing out that something is deeply, deeply wrong" Man you really hit the nail on the head

Man, this series is like if Mauler actually knew how to critique a film, engage an audience and had any semblance of intellectual honesty. 🧡

@ConvincingPeople

3 жыл бұрын

So nothing like MauLer, but extremely like Kyle? Yes, you are very correct. More seriously, miniseries-length deep dives on media which are actually *good* and display a strong perspective without sacrificing intellectual curiosity and rigour are vanishingly rare and Kyle is doing the Lord's work here. Loving this series.

@rezkalla

3 жыл бұрын

@@ConvincingPeople You should try Patrick Willems. He does a lot of in depth videos, often includes his parents who are awesome, is charming and likable. He recently discussed Dick Tracy.

When I see your parents, I think, "Why did I ever worry about anything today? Here is the most comforting image I have ever seen."

@gozerthegozarian9500

3 жыл бұрын

Being totally wholesome in a video about Paul Verhoeven of all people is an impressive feat, and the Kallgrens somehow manage it!

@thevirtualtraveler

3 жыл бұрын

Would you go so far as to describe it as 'hygge'?

Neil Patrick Harris is dangerous, he's ridiculously likeable but often plays characters who spew horrific idealogy, so a non-zero number of people think "Well, it sounds reasonable when HE says it!"

@digitaljanus

3 жыл бұрын

I'm trying to remember if he's played any "good guys" since Doogie Howser. Even the intern from Undercover Brother turned out to be scary, and in Harold & Kumar, where he played himself, it was the extreme asshole version of himself!

@Genitianadinarica

3 жыл бұрын

@@digitaljanus he was really nice in It's a Sin. That's all I've got.

@TheMadwomen

3 жыл бұрын

He's the count, he's the count, he's the count!

@backtoklondike

3 жыл бұрын

@@digitaljanus And maybe Dr Horrible but that's a huge stretch given that he plays a supervillain.

@ScorpionViper1001

3 жыл бұрын

He'd make a great Mazer Rackham if they ever did a reboot of Starship Troopers with Verhoeven's vision in mind.

Kyle is underrated. This is a brilliant, culturally relevant analysis. As an European studying American Studies this is exactly how I try to look at American media. Cannot wait for the next part!

My entire world was shattered at the revelation that Dutch Angles were not in fact Dutch 💛

@ThierryVerhoeven

2 жыл бұрын

Don't you mean to say that your world tilted?

🧡Perfect Dutch pronunciation in this. Change nothing. Also Verhoeven's Dunglish is awe inspiring. As to the "gezellig" notion: I'd say the celebratory aspect of its cozyness is important; it's the very enthusiastic offering of tea and cookies to all guests, talking up your background music, and having lots of conversations going at the same time. So not just chill homeliness, but making it a coziness party. Thanks for making these essays such deep and comprehensive dives into the context of the starship troopers style, mr. Kyle! You get at a lot of Dutch culture stuff better than Dutch schooling ever did for me.

I laughed really hard at, “and Ronald, Dutch, Reagan. ‘*From Hell’”

@cremetangerine82

3 жыл бұрын

Might as well keep it 💯!

@ellenh5468

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely cackled

Among my friends, we refer to NPH's character in _Starship Troopers_ as "Doogie Himmler."🧡 And, no, Verhoeven did not lose *THIS* American at that point in the movie. I went in _hoping_ it would turn out the way it did.

@ScorpionViper1001

3 жыл бұрын

It's not like the foreshadowing was subtle. I think people missed his other critiques of American capitalism in RoboCop that they didn't realize he was asking pointed questions about our society.

@simonmacomber7466

3 жыл бұрын

@@ScorpionViper1001 There are a lot of Americans that don't even see the critiques of American capitalism in RoboCop even after all these years later.

@ScorpionViper1001

3 жыл бұрын

@@simonmacomber7466 It sorta baffles me because even my first time watching RoboCop (after finally being able to get past the initial scene where Murphy gets slowly blown to pieces, that was one of the most brutal scenes in popular film for me to watch and still is to a degree,) I noticed just how much pointed critique of American capitalism, society, police, and military culture there was in RoboCop. And this was before I became a socialist.

@wppb50

2 жыл бұрын

@@simonmacomber7466 I have actually seen the words "next you'll be saying Robocop is political" arranged in that order.

.... i never realized same director is responsible for RoboCop, Showgirls and Starship Troopers ...suddenly... so many things.... are clicking

@tbeller80

3 жыл бұрын

I tell everyone that RoboCop, Total Recall, and Starship Troopers are a trilogy - from Verhoeven's point of view.

"There are uncivilized people on this beach" Thanks, I just spat tea all over my laptop XD

@tenaciousrodent6251

3 жыл бұрын

Well, i think you can find those on any beach. XD

@gozerthegozarian9500

3 жыл бұрын

It'so adorable, I can't even...😆

@simonmacomber7466

3 жыл бұрын

He was right, though. *HE* was on the beach.

@ConvincingPeople

3 жыл бұрын

Oh ye gods, it's like me when I was a child…

🧡 My cousin is living in the Netherlands after she studied her MA in music there. She is Jewish. Her grandmother survived the holocaust. Her main complaint was that her professor and employers were, are, anti-semitic toward her. The Netherlands may have studied the lessons of history, but the population didnt.

@yltraviole

3 жыл бұрын

May I ask what the anti-semitism was that die experienced? I am Dutch, and would like to know which mistakes not to repeat.

@Amitlu

3 жыл бұрын

I too would like to believe that we as a whole arent anti-semitic. But I could just be naïve.

@JaapZeldenrust

3 жыл бұрын

@@Amitlu We "as a whole" (ja, ik ben Nederlands, non-Jewish) aren't anything, but there is both institutional and personal antisemitism in The Netherlands. It comes in all kinds of different forms. Like anywhere in the world, there are people who believe in conspiracy theories that are either explicitly antisemitic or come with a lot of antisemitic baggage. There's antisemitism like stereotyping, thinking Jews are all bankers, lawyers and jewelers. Sometimes criticism of the Israeli government veers into antisemitic territory. I've seen quite a lot of unintentional racism, people asking "but where are you really from?" or saying "but you don't look Jewish." There's also a lot of ignorance, still, about the history of antisemitism in The Netherlands. About the way returned Jewish survivors were treated, about the historical revisionism of the post-WWII period. Jewish people face harassment and vandalism. Everyone has implicit biases. You know, it's bigotry. It's complicated, and it's everywhere.

@Gandaleon

3 жыл бұрын

Who is "The Netherlands" if it's not the population? Also, you can learn all kinds of lessons from anything. But if you're serious about not repeating mistakes from the past, you've got to make sure, you've learned the right ones. One of the many lessons no one learned from the Nazis and fascism is that maybe nationalism is bad. Maybe trying to build and maintain an empire is bad. Maybe treating people merely as a means to an end (profit f.ex.) is bad. Maybe the obsession with super (wo)men/Übermenschen is bad. Maybe anti-communism is bad. Maybe militarism is bad. The fact that those lessons have not been learned, it's not because they're hard, but because they're inconvenient to the current system. To give just one example: Modern nation states, the USA in particular, need and foster nationalism, because that's how you mobilize people to do their bidding, especially if they're unwilling or unable to give them any material incentive to be loyal. So people put all their sense of self worth in this hollow idea of national pride, especially those people who literally have nothing else. And what happens if that pride is threatened? What happens if the greatest nation on earth doesn't look so great? Rather than re-evaluate their opinion of their nation, it tends to make people want to root out fictional saboteurs, the foreign influence... (*cough* Russia Gate *cough*). So no, I don't think bigotry is a natural thing. I agree, that mankind might have some inherent biases because of in-Group out-group thinking. But that alone isn't enough to explain the murderous kind of bigotry that we're familiar with. For that, you need to have internalized certain ideas - nationalism being one of them.

@wanderingoryx3710

3 жыл бұрын

Go to israel

Damn that was revelatory on so many levels. Excellent work! 🧡 But for real, learning about Verhoeven's non-American work and how they and Dutch culture in general fed into his American movies really blew me away. So much stuff makes more sense now.

This is a wonderful video! Your vilification of 'Basic Instinct' and simultaneous vindication of Sharon Stone is much appreciated by this fellow bi person! 🧡 And the 'tears in the rain' gag was pure gold!

Your brother saying " We are going to do much biking. Okay! 👍👍" made me laugh out loud. Adorable. 🧡

@mkallgren08

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, I was directly quoting a Texan friend's dad who was trying really hard with that line - hence the drawl and not-quite-there grammar :) My accent and grammar are still atrocious, but in different ways :)

"Mom, there are uncivilized people on this beach." *Further Proof Kyle = KZread's Frasier Crane*

@gozerthegozarian9500

3 жыл бұрын

I laughed unseemly at this! 🤣

@Torus2112

3 жыл бұрын

It all makes sense now.

Nobody: Not a single soul: Mutant lady’s chest in Total Recall: 🧡🧡🧡

@tenaciousrodent6251

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if Elon Musk and company really understand what they are getting themselves into by building a city on Mars...

@Owlbearwolf2

3 жыл бұрын

@@tenaciousrodent6251 Yeah, they do. It'd be a Company Town where revolt is impossible.

@tenaciousrodent6251

3 жыл бұрын

@@Owlbearwolf2 I was thinking about disfigured babies.

I've seen Starship Troopers a half dozen times and never clicked two and two together how poignantly dark and ironically tragic the shower scene is when you see the fates of all of those involved.

Seeing Rutger Hauer in his early films reminds me that his last thing he ever appeared or voiced in is in Kingdom Hearts 3. :orange heart:

@michelottens6083

3 жыл бұрын

Wow who'd he voice!? Edit: the super badguy. perfect. Kingdom Hearts is always fun with all the remarkably distinct voice casting.

@casperchristiansen2458

3 жыл бұрын

@@michelottens6083 RUTGER GOT NORTED!!! i want him to step on me

@michelottens6083

3 жыл бұрын

@@casperchristiansen2458 They've 'norted three actors so far for that role, which, given the Big Nort's twelve other body doubles in that story, is also perfect.

@danielesquivel9326

3 жыл бұрын

@@casperchristiansen2458 "That is DEFINITELY inappropriate."

@gamestation2690

3 жыл бұрын

@@michelottens6083 You don’t mind that Master Xehanort had three English voice actors? Why don’t you mind it?

I spent 5 years at Hebrew school, and Hebrew has a consonant very much like that Dutch one.

@theothertonydutch

3 жыл бұрын

I swear my knowledge of dutch and german allow me to understand at least like 1/3rd of yiddish.

@dairallan

3 жыл бұрын

​@@theothertonydutch Im pretty sure Yiddish is classified as Germanic language and is originally a creole of German..

@stephendunscombe

3 жыл бұрын

A lot of languages have it. German, Welsh, Russian, Arabic...

@jmalmsten

3 жыл бұрын

Sweden doesn't have it in the standard Swedish. But, if I discern it correctly, it's a well known version of the r-sound of the dialect spoken in Skåne. The southernmost region of the country. And like any progressive and forward-thinking populous, we make fun of them for how they speak and tell them to "spit out the porridge".

@monoverantus

3 жыл бұрын

@@jmalmsten man, fuck you But in all seriousness, it was pretty fun to see Kyle struggle with a phoneme a Scanian like myself struggles NOT to use.

🧡 God i never noticed their deaths were ironic echoes of why they enlisted. Can't wait for more.

This was invigorating. I feel like I’ve finished a college course but actually enjoyed myself.

I couldn't stop hearing 'the Dutch concept of Hadoken.'

@jonmorgan6812

3 жыл бұрын

It's at least less messy than the Old Nordic concept of Tatsumakisenpuukyaku.

Props to the family to join in this endeavor, especially your younger, "I'm not touching that one" bro.

@gozerthegozarian9500

3 жыл бұрын

'Keeping Up With The Kallgrens' is a much, much better show than the one about that other family....turns out, people who read are actually worth watching & listening to 😉

🧡 The end took me by surprise, but I'm still up for part 3, this is an ambitious and deeply personal project.

This piece of media is truly the only thing that could convince me to watch "Showgirls"

@ScorpionViper1001

3 жыл бұрын

I actually kind of want Showgirls remade now, with more coherent sex worker related themes, better performances, and more logical character behavior. I actually do think there might have been a version of it that worked. It would take a LOT of work, but it's there.

🧡 The comparison between your brother's Dutch pronunciation and yours is so interesting. There is a lot of discussion in linguistics about how many unique sounds we can really acquire before a certain age or point in our development.

You really missed a golden opportunity to end the video with "Would you like to know more?" Anyway, this is such a great content. I really like Verhoeven, although I haven't seen some of his movies, so it was nice to know a bit more about him. Also, it's really lovely and somehow heartwarming to see your family contributing, both in this and in the Henlein video. It's a very original concept, and very well executed. Congratulations on your work, can't wait to see the third part!

"What is that? KidPix?" Oh, I have not heard that name in a long time...

Aw yes I'd been looking forward to this part! I'm Dutch but I've only seen Verhoeven's American films, your breakdown of his filmography is super interesting. I also love how well you explained Dutch culture. Those quotes about the differences between Dutch an US culture are all things I've observed, though my image is probably a little skewed because all my interaction with Americans happens over the internet or through pop culture. My mother has a couple of friends in the US who she's visited throughout the years, her experience with the culture is quite different. Can't wait for part 3! Groetjes uit Zwolle :)

I’m so excited, this series has been absolutely fantastic so far!

As someone born, raised and living in the Netherlands, I can say that you're on the money when it comes to the mentality of the Dutch. When things need to be done, you do them, end of story.

I'm from Denmark, a country as naked as the netherlands, and I always remember the shower sceane as the sceane about reasons for joining. It was not until I started watching youtube videos about Starship troupers that I even learned that some people found the sceane choking. Orenge heart emoji- was this chosen because of the dutch theme of this episode?

@swanpride

3 жыл бұрын

Same here is a German. I mean, not everyone is into FKK, but there is nothing shocking about the notion that in the future, people wouldn't be as worried about a little bit of nudity anymore.

🧡 ... I, shouldn't be surprised that Verhoeven had such a career before his Hollywood films, yet those films, when talking about him, never came up in conversations I was in when talking about him. Barely even thought to look.

Maybe it’s because I’m ace, but I never really thought the shower scene was all that controversial. I’m actually really interested in why these people joined up; to see them ripped apart in the war sent chills down my spine. I’m glad one of them got out at least. War is a machine that masticates young bodies and those that can’t be sacrificed die in the streets failed by the government that those bodies are harvested in sacrifice to. 🧡

@einootspork

3 жыл бұрын

There's a certain banal absurdity to American audiences reacting negatively to nudity instead of fascist subtext

this was a ride, although i did expect it to go even more into why Verhoeven saw fascism in the source material, or at least earlier. but I seriously did not expect a full breakdown of his entire carreer and the entire dutch culture along with it. Onward to part 3! 🧡

🧡 For a living, an education and a hobby, I sell, fix and appraise, and recreationally and competitively shoot firearms. Your question was completely justifiable and hopefully for the other person, sobering. If I've learned anything from my job, (armorer and FFL) schooling, (mechanical design and history major) and time spent with other enthusiasts (Cowboy Action and Historical Reenactors), it's how scarily prescient and forboding the phrase 'When your only tool is a hammer, all of your problems begin looking like nails," can be

The pronunciation of "Scheveningen" is so difficult for non-Dutch speakers that, as the story goes, it was used to weed out German spies during WWII. So please, Kyle, don't learn to pronounce it TOO well ;)

Heck of a series you've got going on here, Kyle. Fantastic work. I look forward to the conclusion. 🧡

Hi Kyle, commenting again because in my studies of Spinoza I've learned something new. I knew that when Spinoza published his _Theologico-Political Treatise_ that he published it anonymously, but as I'm reading Antonio Negri's _The Savage Anomaly: The Power of Spinoza's Metaphysics and Politcs_ I have discovered that when he published the TPT (or TTP if going by the Latin title) he tried to prevent a Dutch translation of the work. As Negri states: The Publication of the _Theologico-Political Treatise_ ignites several ferocious polemics. And the Jew of Voorburg and The Hague, recognized behind his anonymity, is at the center of them. Certainly, though, these polemics were not unexpected, and this fact is clearly demonstrated by the infinite precautions that Spinoza took while planning the work, by the anonymous publication, and by his attempt to block a Dutch Translation. (pg. 122) This passage in Negri's book is accompanied by 3 footnotes, but it is the last accompanying part about the Dutch Translation that points to evidence of this attempt at blocking it by reference to letters 30 and 44. Now, the reason I say this is because while Spinoza was excommunicated, he still felt unfree in the Netherlands. I've probably watched the video 3 times now, but I don't know how to do a heart emoji on my computer keyboard. I just wanted to share this new information I learned about Spinoza as the one book he did publish revealed him to be the author and that he tried not to reveal himself as the author.

"There are uncivilized people on this beach" I love it.

@gozerthegozarian9500

3 жыл бұрын

He was 11 when this must have happened, and I can just picture the scene 😂

🧡 This continues to be top shelf work; the way you weave personal experience, film criticism, history, sociology and even linguistics together is compelling and thought-provoking. Why yes, I would like to know more p.s. thank you for correctly attributing Ronnie Raygun's place of origin

🧡 It’s awesome to see a real deep dive into Verhoeven’s whole filmography, flaws and all. Looking forward to the conclusion to this trilogy, Mr. Kallgren, keep up the stellar work. Life to not Fascism!

You know what, I completely understood your Dutch even if it wasn’t perfectly constructed. Also, my German grandpa lived in the Netherlands almost his entire life and he never managed to say Scheveningen right

@michelottens6083

3 жыл бұрын

The "sch", "g", and "ch" sounds are done differently in each of our twelve provinces anyway. Same with the "r". There's a ton of living accents in Nederland, especially for such a small country, so yeah anyone can do whatever with pronouncing Dutch and it's probably fine in conversation.

@vanDaalstad

3 жыл бұрын

Scheveningen was one of those 'codeword' words the Dutch would use to detect foreign spies, for this exact reason.

this was a great second part I watched Starship troopers in the midst of late middle school and inundation of soft military recruitment at the time so when I watch the movie I just thought it was another army movie until Neil Patrick Harris came on screen wearing the whole thing, the it clicked in my brain oh they're the bad guys🧡

"Mom there are uncivilized people on this beach" lmao! 🧡

@Arawnthesouldweller

3 жыл бұрын

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@swanpride

3 жыл бұрын

lol...but one has to understand that for the Dutch (and the Germans and some other Europeans) nudity and sex are two different things. Nudity in itself is not sexual, it is just natural. From our perspective, it is really weird that Americans censor the heck out of movies because of some non-sexual nudity, but have an extremely lax attitude towards violence.

@fafofafin

3 жыл бұрын

@@swanpride That's true of most cultures, it's just not true of the Spanish and British, and combined they defined many other countries' cultures.

I love Kyle’s brother deliberately fucking with him about speaking Dutch 🧡

🧡 It’s good to see you getting back into these long form essays; this three part series is great

🧡 Very excited for part three. You're doing great work!

Another banger, i learned so much about dutch culture, verhoven, and weirdly enough....showgirls.

@ScorpionViper1001

3 жыл бұрын

I would actually now like a Keetje Teppel remake with the class consciousness elements included. Society NEEDS this.

@gozerthegozarian9500

3 жыл бұрын

@@ScorpionViper1001 Agreed 100%.

I have no idea how the orange heart emoji is made, but cannot wait for part 3!

@sandorenckell5259

2 жыл бұрын

Me neither 🧡

🧡 This series is probably your best work yet, and that's saying something.

This was a heavy watch while I was having my morning cup of tea but I was still aching for more by the end. Fantastic work 🧡

Nice use of "Dickerydouche McDerphitler." My pet name for Rick Perry if memory serves, but it works well for Clownstick too. 🧡

@KyleKallgrenBHH

3 жыл бұрын

It is an utterly perfect insult! I was paying homage to two of my favorite comedians - Jon Stewart and you 😁

@TonyGoldmark

3 жыл бұрын

@@KyleKallgrenBHH Dawww thanks

When I was a rather young child, I must have seen Flesh + Blood and Ladyhawke, bits of each, but never either completely. I thought they were the same movie until I was at least 10. 🧡

This has been, by far, my favorite of your projects. Love it. 🧡

I can't get enough of this series, and this type of video narrative as well. Just absolutely excellent work, Kyle.

It's funny my grandfather spotted the fascism in the books pretty quickly, he was also an electrical engineer but he grew up in Germany and fled just before the war. My mother tells me that for almost 90% of the American media my great grandmother 🧡 (a mathematician) saw she applied the label "this is propaganda".

@drakolobo

Жыл бұрын

It is obvious that you do not know what fascism is. the western world has a problem with their soldiers they need them but they hate their stoic and hierarchical pseudo-spartan lifestyle. this emulates the childish contempt that students have towards teachers or anyone who represents "authority", let's see the case of calling the police forces fascist. Fascism does not allow debate, the novel points out that the army is smaller in history, in proportion to the rest of the population it prohibits forced recruitment and political rights cannot be exercised while in service. the population is free to carry out their activities and rant against the government, the rich father belittles the purpose of military service in the first pages with valid arguments and was sent a letter to complain that the moral philosophy class was a recruitment attempt, Professors like recruiters are said to be there to discourage joining the military. pointing out the danger of death and the possibility that it would be prolonged. just as everyone currently has access to the vote (with their own detrition such as not being a convict or minor) everyone has access to apply a service that is not limited to the army but also to other areas that seen from another point of view It would be as a service to the community Rico put out a fire during his training (the armed forces not only serve to fight, they serve as civil protection and rescue forces) And finally, not everything that appears in the novel is a reflection of his way of thinking, he thought of his freedom to present any situation for debate questioning the traditions, just look at his public discourse optimist and the rest of his works that predict current issues. he is a libertarian inviting reflection and the development of the critical sense.

🧡 I got a bunch of Warhammer 40k videos in the recommended videos under this Another series that has a very complicated relationship with fascism. I suppose that’s kind of interesting

@Warpwaffel

3 жыл бұрын

The Imperium of Man in 40k is extremely fascist and clearly not the good guys. The complication comes in since they are collectively the PoV-character; they are human after all. Somebody should make a video essay about it. :D

@tenaciousrodent6251

3 жыл бұрын

I have a joke rule for Warhammer 40K fans that is still true depressingly often: The more serious they take the lore, the more alt-right they usually get. (Please don't sleep on 40K if you identify as a lefty, btw. It's one of the most entertaining things ever created!)

@orvilpym

3 жыл бұрын

Oh man, think about it: Kyle gets himself a Space Marine army, glues and paints, starts playing, (filming all of it, of course), gets deep into the lore, and next year we get a 5h exploration of the history and meaning of fascism, England, the Internet and Warhammer 40K! _I'd buy that for a dollar!_ In fact, I'd buy that on blu-ray!!! :D 🧡🧡🧡

@mkallgren08

3 жыл бұрын

Kyle and I have talked often about Warhammer 40k, because I collected them and got deep into the lore - then just got wigged out by how facist and anti-democratic the Imperium was the deeper dug.

@williamfrancis5367

3 жыл бұрын

Its too pre-modern in theme and aesthetic for direct parallels. Manorial social order of nobility and serfs but with mid-19th-century industrialism, and 20th-century total war mentalities. Even the human bigotry is framed as religious superstition, not social Darwinism.

Amazing work. Cannot wait for part three! 🧡

🧡 I've never seen any of Verhoeven's work, but the way that you've outlined his films is not only descriptive, but compelling. Also, that breakdown you did of the weird way that Americans conceptualize "rudeness" is spot on, and I say that as an American. Can't wait for Part 3.

Just wanna say: If you want to mimic a dutch accent, look at Paul Verhoeven interviews. It's a pet peeve of mine to hear dutch characters with german accents. We have a perfectly distinguishable accent ready for mockery.

@Syurtpiutha

3 жыл бұрын

Watching the Kallgrens butcher the dutch language delights me.

@mkallgren08

3 жыл бұрын

@@Syurtpiutha Hey, we all try :P And to be fair, we're anywhere from 5 - 9 years out of practice... Also, I purposely put in a terrible Texan drawl in the bit I said - I was quoting a Texan friend's parent who spoke just like that :P And re: the accents - absolutely! Though John Oliver's Dutch accent is delightful in it's awfulness, but it's clear he tried to not just do a Danish or German accent

@Syurtpiutha

3 жыл бұрын

​@@mkallgren08 Oh I didn't mean to insult you or your family. Dutch is an extraordinary difficult language, or disease of the throat, to grasp. I'd probably do a lot worse if I wasn't born into it. What I meant to poke fun at was the fact that the pronunciation highlights that difficulty. And I agree on John Olliver. The fact that he's british means he probably knows damn well what it would sound like and doesn't bother. Martin Freeman did an excellent dutch accent on the tv-series of Lock Stock as a dutch weed-dealer called Jaap.

@yltraviole

3 жыл бұрын

Or worse, something vaguely swedish or eastern european.

Apologies for my lateness, I'm watching this one from the beginning now. I know nobody else cares, but I do, and you're probably my favourite critic on KZread by some margin, and have honestly been my favourite video media critic since your Blip days, so I felt I should say something! ^-^;;

These essays are all a treat and I'm glad they are here. Looking forward to the next one. 🧡

Been following you for several years, and I think this is one of my favorite videos you've done. Great stuff! Thanks!

* looks at date : May 13th! * Happy Birthday, Kyle! 🎂🧡

🧡 I actually vocally said "aw dammit" when the video was over. "Would you like to know more?" YES!!! VERY MUCH SO!

I’m so happy to have such a long discussion on this. Love your hard work as per usual.

Just as riveting as part one. Can't wait for part three. Your work keeps getting better. 🧡

1:15:30 Casper Van Dien looking at Verhoeven like he had no idea what kind of film he was making. "Wait, political satire? wtf?"

This has been thrilling so far,very excited.

Your videos have always been good but you're becoming genuinely fantastic.

I love Showgirls! And the censored version with the crayonesque CGIed bras is my absolute favorite version. It's so delightfully horrible!

Jesus Christ on a bike, these two videos are some of your best work. I'm really excited for the third.

@einootspork

3 жыл бұрын

So you're saying you'd like to know more?

I’m so glad you put this much time into both videos. 🦄🦄🦄

This series is really, really good. I wasn't expecting you to go so deep when it began, but I'm here for it. 🧡

Really needed this, can't wait!

@palindrone

3 жыл бұрын

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So I'm an American Jew. We learn to make that uvular /χ/ sound from an early age because it's a sound in Hebrew as well as Dutch. You need to be able to make that sound in order to be Bar Mitzvah'd. There are a lot of foreign sounds I have a tough time pronouncing (looking at you, Hindi bh/dh/gh), but /χ/ is not one of them.

@ConvincingPeople

3 жыл бұрын

Oh man, slack consonants. Those are really interesting and really hard to do as a Westerner and especially an Anglophone because they go against every unspoken rule of European phonology. Like, I'm half-Ashkenazi and part-Irish and Bavarian on my other side, so the real lunger sounds come naturally to me, but Hindi and Urdu do not come easily in that respect.

@TheStraatjutter

3 жыл бұрын

The places where that feature is strongest in the dialect ( North and South holland) also use a lot of yiddish words

💛 Another great one! Looking forward for the next part! 🙌

Stellar work as always my dude

"paul verhoeven's holocaust movie" is the most menacing phrase i've heard all week.

@Zshugost

3 жыл бұрын

*watching the shit shower scene* dammit i was right

This part definitely has given up much food for thought, an appreciation for Dutch frankness, and a desire to know more of Verhoeven 🧡❤💛💚💙💜

This was so in-depth! Fascinating! 🧡

This is friggin EPPIIIIIIC!!! Thank you, Kyle!!

🧡 Technically a windmill is a mill powered by the wind, so a pump powered by the wind is a windpump. Personally, I call all spiny wind powered things windmills, however I have an uncle who corrects me if I call a spiny wind thing that runs a dynamo to produce electricity a windmill instead of a windturbine. I have also been to a windpump in Norwich in England, a large part of the Norwich is the Fens which were swamps drained thanks to Dutch know how in centuries past hence the presence of windmill pumps in the area (although as I recall the windpump is actually inoperable and they just use a small electric pump to achieve the same drainage).