22 years and people still debate whether this film is satire. The mark of truly great satire

@phreakazoith2237

5 жыл бұрын

Great satire indeed. ST has satire written all over the place yet it is well hidden by trying to be super serious. Life of Brian is another great example. Narrow minded squares rallied against a movie showing how narrow minded squares think and act.

@phreakazoith2237

5 жыл бұрын

@peter Maybe the sequels and spin offs added somewhat to the first movie's reception being an action flick. The political satire was toned down in favor of action and or let's call it horror and spiritual elements like the god bug. Expanding the crazy universe established in ST 1 did not work to well - my opinion.

@whiteknightcat

5 жыл бұрын

@@phreakazoith2237 So it is to be expected, then, that individuals that tend to favor authoritarian, militaristic or police state regimes that target specific groups of people as "the enemy" (with themselves as the privileged ones, of course) would take issue with the analysis of this film.

@ghosturiel

5 жыл бұрын

Rumor has it that they chose the main cast of actors based solely on their looks as they are all exceptionally good looking but poor acting abilities in order to make them seem soulless or brainwashed.

@nieznajomy4398

5 жыл бұрын

​@peter well, when I watched ST as a kid for me it was "kick-ass action" movie. I was really surprised after watching this movie as adult.

Helldivers just resurrected this entire theme.

@YumLemmingKebabs

4 ай бұрын

It's fucking wild that this whole discourse is back even more absurd than previously...

@frogboiii03

4 ай бұрын

FOR LIBERTY AND DEMOCRACYYY!!!!

@guillermoelnino

4 ай бұрын

​@@frogboiii03 y ou can only pick one

@misanthropicservitorofmars2116

4 ай бұрын

I’m still ready to engage with commies who never read the book. I’m doing my part.

@sgtjorge

4 ай бұрын

​@@guillermoelnino with that attitude, sure

Skeptic: "I find the idea of a bug that thinks offensive." Proponent: "We'll guess what, the facts don't care about your feelings!"

@tknier88

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed they dont

@zimriel

Жыл бұрын

it's amazing that in Democrat-controlled college campuses today, "facts don't care about your feelings" is considered a fascist sentiment

@brandonclark435

11 ай бұрын

Skeptic: *sips latte* Alternative facts.

@alexc4300

7 ай бұрын

The curse of predictive text …

@plasmanip3998

5 ай бұрын

Conservatives/centrists think this is just a funny quirk reference rather than a very clear part of the messenging of the whole movie.

"These bugs are unintligent" "these bugs threw a meteor at beunos aires"

@t.a6159

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like 1984 and shit....

@Martel_Clips

2 жыл бұрын

it was hinted it was actually not sent by the bugs but actually a fake by the earth government to "have a reason" to go to war

@TheRomaduce

2 жыл бұрын

no need to destroy buenos aires, argentinians are doing a fine job without any alien help

@redblankie1219

2 жыл бұрын

@@Martel_Clips But meteors have already been known to come out of the AQZ, and the starship Carmen is on was hit by a mentor going towards Earth. The same starship had no communications to warn Earth. To top it all off, Rico lost transmission with his parents on the video call. The meteor was real.

@tahuonefiveseven7422

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but who told us that the aliens are known to launch rocks? Is that source trustworthy?

Starship Troopers taught me that Dina Meyer is really hot

@HavanaSyndrome69

5 жыл бұрын

No dude. It's all about dat Casper Van Dien hahaha

@joribremer5260

5 жыл бұрын

yum yum yum.. ;)

@dadeleemurphy85

5 жыл бұрын

Hell YES! especially when she was batgirl.

@i_kill_for_zardoz

5 жыл бұрын

She has held up amazingly well. Hasn't hit the wall just yet.

@chrysafisstamoudis9850

5 жыл бұрын

On the contrary Denise Richards (a beautiful woman nonetheless) is portrayed as a total b***h! I mean If I was Rico I'd choose Dizzy from day 1 (or even -1). Then of course we wouldn't have this movie as neither would have joined the army :)

Are you a collaborator with the bugs?.. seems like it. DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE?

@knightscroftsquire-muldoon

5 жыл бұрын

@Esben M *do not

@normaaliihminen722

4 жыл бұрын

Esben M well then. Tell us what movie means? I’m quite curious.

@ruslbicycle6006

4 жыл бұрын

The Do You Want To Know More advertising is the only element of satire I actually saw in this. That was quite funny (and annoying). To those making the case this is a satire that is the most satirical point of the film. They didn't seem to have any progress with that element. It's not like it got better or worse or changed through the film.

@heartless604

4 жыл бұрын

Noone see the desert storm satire here? Seriously?

@ruslbicycle6006

4 жыл бұрын

@@heartless604 We're supposed to forget all the promises made in war and just keep paying to send poor kids off to fight them

The Federation made the trains run on time.

@deaddropsd1972

4 жыл бұрын

Starship Troopers fans & Veterans!🕷I re-did the audiobook 📚 w sound 🔊 💥 effects and voice acting! 🎤 8 hrs. Please 🙏🏼listen 👂 and SHARE!!! FB page “Starship Troopers the book” kzread.info/dash/bejne/rKt6r9Wzebmtm9I.html

@garlonschuman1014

4 жыл бұрын

deaddropsd1972 so cringe

@maxinator317

4 жыл бұрын

@@deaddropsd1972 shut the fuck up

@deaddropsd1972

4 жыл бұрын

finally changed my profile pic why?

@deaddropsd1972

4 жыл бұрын

finally changed my profile pic No thanks. I’m just promoting a project of mine it’s no big deal it’s not like I’m making any money off it

I saw this movie as a young man and was so inspired by it I decided to join federal service and earn my citizenship! Then after 3 tours in Iraq killing bugs, I came home missing some limbs. The federation then retrained me to become a teacher and now I sit in a high school classroom sharing stories of my glorious military service to young impressionable minds...

@shadywaitamin2409

Жыл бұрын

You did your part i guess?

@AquaticLotus7552

Жыл бұрын

Are you ok?

@rogeliofranco7713

11 ай бұрын

He did his part

@GlitchBoy-ws5in

8 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@s.d.6252

7 ай бұрын

Hopefully you teach them Fascism controls the economy, unlike the Veterans in Starship Troopers.

Don't bullshit me wisecrack, how much are the bugs paying you?

@cinhh

5 жыл бұрын

A good bug is a dead bug!

@Irritandarts

5 жыл бұрын

@@cinhh Bugs Lives Matter ! BLM !

@andrew-paulclements1502

5 жыл бұрын

@@Irritandarts Bug Lives don't even matter to the Bugs

@Hijrahydratehiro

5 жыл бұрын

Those god damn bugs

@maroonstarsface

5 жыл бұрын

It's not a bug, they're ruled by a gay black transgender disabled woman that identifies as a demi dragon

“You want to live forever” is a reference to something Frederick the Great is meant to have said at the battle of Kolín in 1757.

@richardgates7479

5 жыл бұрын

But they probably ripped it from Conan the Barbarian.

@trexlord1

4 жыл бұрын

In the book the line "Come on you apes, do you want to live forever" is accredited to "marine platoon sergeant -1918. The man who actually said the line is Daniel Daly during the Battle of Belleau Wood, though the book misquotes him, as he actually said "Come on you sons of bitches..."

@CrowTR0bot

3 жыл бұрын

It goes back even further than that. "May you live forever" was one of the worst insults a Spartan could say to another.

@klaussone

3 жыл бұрын

@@trexlord1 It was intentional, the word "apes" is nickname the mobile infantry had based on the look of the heavy Armor they wear. making them look like big gorillas.

@Hoi4o

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like it worked.

The book had citizenship earned by any Federal service, even the disabled could earn citizenship through service. Also, they made sure that enlistees saw that the teachers, recruiters etc., were all disabled and prominently showed that they were missing limbs, were blinded etc., do they would know the risks. The movie took liberties from the book. Nevertheless the film is a fun romp.

@timtheskeptic1147

3 жыл бұрын

It wasn't originally based on the book. Verhoeven wrote an original script and somebody realized it was similar to Starship Troopers (which the studio had the rights to) so they sort of reverse adapted it to fit. That's why it has the "based on" feel.

@Calbeck

3 жыл бұрын

@@timtheskeptic1147 Verhoeven says otherwise in his interviews. Mind you, he flips back and forth from interview to interview, soooooo...

@timtheskeptic1147

3 жыл бұрын

@@Calbeck who knows? I imagine what goes through his head whenever the movie is brought up is how he really wanted to make it, how it turned out, and incredibly how nobody was seriously injured during filming (planet p and klendathu scenes were filmed in Rattlesnake Canyon, Utah. Its called that for a reason!)

@SOMEGUY7893

3 жыл бұрын

You say that but there's a line from Rico's father about there being no war going on when Rico tells him he's interested in doing Federal Service that implies military enlistment is the expected and default form of the majority of what constitutes Federal Service.

@timtheskeptic1147

3 жыл бұрын

@@SOMEGUY7893 in the book federal service covered a huge amount of things. It could range from MI to testing survival equipment on Pluto.

Who All is back here because of helldivers 2?

@thomaskuzma4360

4 ай бұрын

I heard about how starship troopers was the inspiration, and everyone was saying how funny the movie was. I think they meant super troopers 😅

@emigdiogreen7439

4 ай бұрын

I'm doing my part!

@that1nerdyblackgirl736

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for your service, soldier. Giving democracy to universe is a brave thing to do

*Clicks on video* *Sees the like/dislike ration* "This is where the fun begins"

@Spider-Too-Too

5 жыл бұрын

cool that we still have ocmment section

@warblizarga

5 жыл бұрын

Dislikes are from the people that read the book

@memto2376

4 жыл бұрын

Sees "ration" This is where the funk begans

@yareyarejose5080

4 жыл бұрын

@@warblizarga there's no way that many people read that boring schlock.

@TheTitanz0r

4 жыл бұрын

@@yareyarejose5080 Boy, are you in for a shock, then.

FRANKLY I FIND THE IDEA OF A BUG SYMPATHIZER OFFENSIVE!

@siresorb1419

5 жыл бұрын

That's buggist!

@gentlebabarian

5 жыл бұрын

@@siresorb1419 KNOW YOUR MOVIE QUOTES

@dsmith54

5 жыл бұрын

To defeat the bug we must understand the bug

@mike2carrington

5 жыл бұрын

And a sympathiser of the bugs which are clearly fascist at that. Flipping hilarious.

@WilsonGodoyUmBrindeAEssaPorra

5 жыл бұрын

Dont let tge bugs steal our jobs

According to Marine Corps lore, Daly rallied his men at the Battle of Belleau Wood by yelling, "Come on, you sons-o'-bitches, do you want to live forever?" This quote first appeared in And They Thought We Wouldn't Fight, a 1918 memoir by war correspondent Floyd Gibbons of The Chicago Tribune.

The fact that this movie flies over so many people's heads is amazing

@Kugelschreiber333

3 ай бұрын

"Look! LOOK! It's Ze coats! with free elections!"

When one is analyzing the film Starship Troopers, one must keep in mind that while the movie is a satire the book is not. Heinlein had some serious criticisms of liberal democracy. He was not a fascist, but he definitely was of the belief that the right to vote should be earned not given. One might call him a Liberal Republicanist of a neo-Catonian outlook. It should also be noted that in the book Starship Troopers service did not mean military service. There were plenty of non-military options for people who wanted to become citizens but did not want to fight. *edited.

@mikethewise2000

5 жыл бұрын

I agree with this, I"m 20 years old and I don't think I should be allowed to vote yet. I voted in 2016 and I think I made a mistake on my choice from then to now so. I think you should 1) Be at least age 25 and 2) Have some steak in the result of the election to vote. So must have no serious felony convictions, must pay taxes. Like the right to decide how our country is run or who runs it shouldn't just be handed out because you survived to age 18. Most 18 year old are nothing but emotions and misinformation.

@orionstark

5 жыл бұрын

@@mikethewise2000 have you read Starship Troopers the book? Heinlein would probably argue that a criminal record would not bar one from voting provided the convicted perform penance and/or experience a punishment that corrects the anti-social behaviour in question. The idea behind service means citizenship is that the person proactively participates in serving The Nation and in doing so develops an emotional investment in the wellbeing of The Nation.

@Mabasei

5 жыл бұрын

orionstark That right there is fascistic and to treat it as anything less is just stupid.

@orionstark

5 жыл бұрын

@@Mabasei only if The Nation is an exclusive entity. Heinlein's Federation is an inclusive society where anyone capable of understanding the concept of service can earn their citizenship. It is implied in the books that citizenship is open to dogs as well as humans.

@SleepyMatt-zzz

5 жыл бұрын

@@Mabasei How is that fascistic?

Heinlein Q&A Q: Isn't the Government in Starship Troopers Militaristic? A: "Militaristic" is the adjective for the noun "militarism", a word of several definitions but not one of them can be correctly applied to the government described in this novel. No military or civil servant can vote or hold office until after he is discharged and is again a civilian. The military tend to be despised by most civilians and this is made explicit. A career military man is most unlikely ever to vote or hold office; he is more likely to be dead - and if he does live through it, he'll vote for the first time at 40 or older. Q: But All of the Electorate Must be Veterans! A: The criticisms are usually based on a failure to understand simple indicative English sentences, couched in simple words...Their failures to understand English are usually these: 1. "Veteran" does not mean in English dictionaries or in this novel solely a person who has served in military forces. I concede that in commonest usage today it means a war veteran . . . but no one hesitates to speak of a veteran fireman or veteran school teacher. In STARSHIP TROOPERS it is stated flatly and more than once that nineteen out of twenty veterans are not military veterans. Instead, 95% of voters are what we call today "former members of federal civil service." 2. He/she can resign at any time other than during combat -- i.e. 100% of the time for 19 out of 20; 99%+ of the time for those in the military branches of federal service. 3. There is no conscription. (I am opposed to conscription for any reason at any time, war or peace, and have said so repeatedly in fiction, in nonfiction, from platforms, and in angry sessions in think tanks. I was sworn in first in 1923, and have not been off the hook since that time. My principle pride in my family is that I know of not one in over two centuries who was drafted; they all volunteered. But the draft is involuntary servitude, immoral, and unconstitutional no matter what the Supreme Court says. - Robert Anson Heinlein, Afterword of "Who Are the Heirs of Patrick Henry?" in Expanded Universe, Ace Books 1980

@jfridy

5 жыл бұрын

You read the books, that puts you ahead of the director.

@DeePScharge

5 жыл бұрын

Man, this makes this whole "This is fascism!" debacle even sadder. Very few authors are as misrepresented as Heinlein, truly a shame and a loss.

@dracowar6

5 жыл бұрын

@@DeePScharge because he advocates for socialism's worst enemy : meritocracy.

@rjsteeves

5 жыл бұрын

Well done for posting this, sir!

@tinman1843

5 жыл бұрын

Minh Phan - Thanks for sharing this!

WW1 was not competing "nationalist" agendas, but competing imperial ones. The great game/balance of power that were the causes of WW1 were thoroughly imperial and were rooted more deeply in the dynastic monarchism of the feudal and post-feudal age

@willbgm5x5

2 жыл бұрын

In other words, nationalist agendas

@Bustermachine

2 жыл бұрын

I'm . . . not really seeing it. Britain was sure as shooting swallowed up by nationalist fervor with one of the King's personal projects being to shield subjects of German descent from anti-german discrimination and the 'White Feathers' harassing men with jobs vital to the war effort to enlist. And Hitler built much of his own national mythos on the national mythos and nation building project that forged Germany as it was during WWI out of the former Germanic states.

@aw2584

2 жыл бұрын

Wasnt it imperialism meeting face first with nationalism tho? I mean the war started literally by Serbian nationalists and ended with dozens of small european nations to win their independency, downing the imperial Era to its end

@mm88deatmatch

2 жыл бұрын

Nationalism certainly was one of the causes of WWI… it was world war because of imperialism, but nationalism often drives imperialism so… I don’t understand what you’re so strongly trying to say.

@jacksteel1539

2 жыл бұрын

nationalism and imperialism really isn't very different

I always thought it was satire of American culture. As in "America is not that far from being fascist" But then I'm English. Apparently we liked the film and it was well received here.

@kevinw712

4 жыл бұрын

yeah the thing of "American exceptionalism" and the degree which it so often seems to be, it's always kinda cracked me up. it's like sure, remember how when back in your teens and into early 20s, of all the people you knew there was that one guy who always went out of his way every single day to point out and remind everyone how so incredibly awesome and smart and strong and great looking that he was? That's definitely the person you had the most sincere respect and reverence for, yep. Sure it's perfectly fair and understandable to have pride in your country, but this other layer of having to make it so clear that we are the greatest fucking country in the history of the world, and it better damn well be acknowledged, why do you need that? I mean hell nevermind all the different sort of metrics that show we as the US are lagging well enough behind the rest of the world in plenty of categories, the irony is it's masking a giant insecurity.

@Bonobo1974

4 жыл бұрын

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all" Everyday starting age 6, brainwash them, they'll beg for more

@DanWeeks

4 жыл бұрын

It was indeed intended as a satire of American society. But because Verhoeven himself barely understands it, he ended up inadvertently affirming it. Lul

@hiccup1dt102

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting. the original story was written in 1959 in the middle of the red scare and everybody was building bomb shelters in their backyards preparing for nukes from the great red menace.

@Robert-rw5lm

4 жыл бұрын

Well thats how the director saw things

Starship troopers: 100,000 dead in one hour Warhammer 40k: hold my beer

@tyvernoverlord5363

5 жыл бұрын

Christopher K 40K: Million dead in one hour at a campaign’s start... and it gets...grim, from there

@HonestHappyHater

5 жыл бұрын

WH40K: - Sir, we managed to capture the planet. - How many men did we loose? - Around one million, sir. - *slamms fist into the table* BY THE EMPEROR! MINIMAL CASULTIES!

@simonwinn8757

5 жыл бұрын

Drowning the enemy in your soldiers blood, is a validate tactic.

@TheGodEmperorOfMankind_

5 жыл бұрын

@@HonestHappyHater Well to be fair, only one million casualties for capturing an entire planet isn't too bad.

@HonestHappyHater

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheGodEmperorOfMankind_ Well, no, it isn't. Especialy if for every fallen 10 more shall take his place

KZread: "Sees title" _demonetized_

@Ravi-xf8dw

5 жыл бұрын

How are u here so early man.

@TK-eg3ts

5 жыл бұрын

OF

@jesusdiscipledon1499

5 жыл бұрын

the dude he’s subscribed to wisecrack.... Damn.

@lockejawe4050

5 жыл бұрын

Never thought I'd find you here...

@mcpics4448

5 жыл бұрын

Justin Y. LoL

God I literally just got a ad for the seals in the middle of this video.

@masonmurphy2679

3 жыл бұрын

I got one for the marines

@OurFoundingLiars

3 жыл бұрын

I got a Biden one

@Pax.Britannica

3 жыл бұрын

OMG an advert for the military... That must mean we're living in a fascist society.

@orgluzman561Peace_IL_PS

3 жыл бұрын

@@masonmurphy2679 I got one for the special forces and i'm from goddamn israel!

@creekandseminole

3 жыл бұрын

I'd rather get an ad for the Seals instead of the recent awfully woke Army recruiting videos. Those are so awful that I expect every other country to get inspired to invade the United States...

How is it tough to pin down when the director himself has stated "I don't know how much more obvious I could have made it" when discussing the satire. It's not really up for debate at that point. It mocked everything about fascism and pro-war politics. Taking this at face value is like taking Robocop at face value as a paragon of how to live in the 80's.

@AlexHand

4 жыл бұрын

I think the way the plot ends turns the satire vibe on its head.

@stephenvoss6092

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlexHand It was the film directors interpretation not the source material.

@EmmaDilemma039

3 жыл бұрын

My friends say they love the movie, and I know they're alt-right boneheads. So yea.... I doubt it's seen ad satire to everyone.

@temmy9

3 жыл бұрын

It's failed satire. The Terran society looks stable, clean, efficient and prosperous. Humans were fighting a war against an alien that struck first. How is any of this bad?

@Eshayzbra96

3 жыл бұрын

Uhm, the Terran Federation literally limits it's power to small government, with less powers over the population. How the fuck is that fascist? Fascism is the polar fucking opposite. Fuck the director, he didn't even read the source material. He didn't even get to the part where politics are discussed.

Something I like about this movie is how Rico and the soldiers at his Bootcamp are so ready to kill bugs and go to Klendathu and wipe them out. But as soon as they get there they just break and run showing that no one was truly ready for the horrors of the bugs.

@matthew8153

2 жыл бұрын

Same goes for any war.

@BlauRFasan

2 жыл бұрын

Tends to happen when you are trained in urban warfare against other humans and get send into what is basically the Battle of Waterloo against multi-limbed insects the size of Range Rovers.

@mancamiatipoola

2 жыл бұрын

Fun fact: they had a military expert that created a boot camp where he trained about 100 extras with real military training for two weeks. All the actors and extras that made up the Mobile Infantry took this boot camp. He also promoted 4 of the extras as squad leaders to create a military-like experience for all the extras. They had daily drills, marches, training courses, fire arms training AND they had to haul ass in full movie gear in scorching temperatures. But damn, that was worth it because all the scenes with the troopers running around and shooting were top notch.

@AudieHolland

Жыл бұрын

@@mancamiatipoola Dale Dye. Also: Platoon Oliver Stone

@joshportie

Жыл бұрын

They just had their families murdered and hoped for revenge. Young delusions of strength.

3:23 _"The ideology espoused by authority figures within the Federation shares key components with basic fascist political philosophy"_ Shows a clip where Sgt. Zim says you can leave voluntarily at *any time* if it's too tough, unfair or if you just _"miss your mommy.."_

@Jynkowe

5 жыл бұрын

It's called reverse psychology, he says those things to emasculate him into staying.

@realmatic10

5 жыл бұрын

ʀᴀᴡʙꜱᴋᴇ Yeah, but he can actually leave. Is Sean from Hot ones a Fascist because he taunts people into putting the last dab of hot sauce on their chicken wings?

@datwunfool2503

5 жыл бұрын

@@realmatic10 careful now, that might start a thing with people against Hot One's, I'm still enjoying that show

@zenman6495

5 жыл бұрын

@@Jynkowe nop, in the book they try to make you resing at any oportunity , read the book or watch this kzread.info/dash/bejne/nYqku9iPYLKdpaw.html

@cowlick035

5 жыл бұрын

I bet a whole lot of Germans in Stalingrad would've been fond of that right.

I saw this after 9/11 when I was 14 and I honestly thought it was celebrating the US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Obviously that's impossible because the movie came out in 1997, but looking back I still see more similarities with US triumphalism than German Fascism.

@matthew8153

2 жыл бұрын

That’s because the bugs are the fascists. The humans have a democratic style government with freedom. The only difference is the suffrage has to be earned in some way.

@robertmartin6800

2 жыл бұрын

That's because it's not a story about fascism.

@rdrrr

Жыл бұрын

Militarism is a core aspect of fascism, and the military-industrial complex sure has a huge influence on US foreign policy. I'm not saying the USA is a fascist state, but some of the markers of fascism are present (The Pledge of Allegiance, post-9/11 surveillance, militarisation of the police...)

@stolensentience

11 ай бұрын

The film was actually about America, drawing on prime German examples.

@malaware5341

5 ай бұрын

it's not? I mean ed neumeier said it was about cultural fascism, and he said affirmative action and political correctness was a part of that @@robertmartin6800

facsism is already sexy, there is a reason hugo boss designed the nazi uniform

@TheReconRacoon

3 жыл бұрын

based

@lavendervonstaro4004

3 жыл бұрын

But what came first?

@motba6228

3 жыл бұрын

Hugo Boss didn’t design them, his factory just produced them

@overlord165

3 жыл бұрын

No they didn't, they only manufactured the uniforms. The design was made by the state.

@paulkersey3042

3 жыл бұрын

All Nazi sex isn't gay, but an astonishing amount of it is.

I'm here for the comments. I wasn't disappointed.

@aliwahab1255

5 жыл бұрын

So can you sum up why slot of people hate this video and some don't?

@rock3tcatU233

5 жыл бұрын

So much edgy-ness!

@PrometheusLKR

5 жыл бұрын

@@aliwahab1255 Because it's a youtube video criticizing fascism... Are you new to youtube? The comments are always full of far-right people

@beishtkione24

5 жыл бұрын

@@PrometheusLKR Starship Troopers has nothing to do with facism. The director of Starship Troopers and this hack, who never read the book, want it to be about fascism.

@theodontosaurus

5 жыл бұрын

I was. Its just people arguing over the definition of facism. Hilarious.

Klingons aren't a good example of a fascist society in Star Trek, they are more a feudal society that has baked in traditions around honour along the lines of feudal Japan. The Terran Empire is more explicitly a stand in for fascism as are the Cardassians and you could make a case for the Romulans.

@damienvalentine5043

5 жыл бұрын

The TOS Klingons -- from what we got to see of them -- were more fashy than feudal. But then again, those Klingons didn't have crinkly heads, so do they even really count?

@richardgates7479

5 жыл бұрын

I always thought they were like Genghis Khan - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ogadai_Khan.jpg Wait, wouldn't that be Soviet / Chinese?

@Azraiel213

5 жыл бұрын

Indeed, the Klingons were originally portrayed as (allegorical, at least) communists, the lower ranks even spoke in a droning, conforming tone to the officer caste. Klingons only assumed their more awesome form of feudal space warriors from the beginning of the original movie era to the end of the prime/canon run with Star Trek: Nemesis. The Romulans have likewise never been facists, they are Space Romans. If you want Nazi aliens in Star Trek, you need to go to the Cardassians.

@cpt.battlecock5264

5 жыл бұрын

A feudal society usually is seriously conservative, so it can be a fascist one.

@VagusDoc

5 жыл бұрын

Never took the Romulans for fascists, they were more in line with the Roman model of imperial empire. A lot of their terms used in the cannon is also a give away; Romulus, Remus, Prator, etc.

Where are my HellDiver2 troops at?

Loving that Helldivers 2 is giving this video more views.

"I for one welcome our new insect overlords"

@ferblancart8669

5 жыл бұрын

This comment should have a few thousands more likes!

@nathantan3100

5 жыл бұрын

THE ONLY GOOD BUG IS A DEAD BUG

@-fantini84

5 жыл бұрын

"...as a trusted internet personality I can be helpful in rounding of others - to toil in underground sugar caves..."

@tylerdurden2219

5 жыл бұрын

Rasengan good ol Kent Brockman

@Phoenix1337

5 жыл бұрын

He does neglect the fact that the bugs started the war most of them are literally bread to kill and cannot be reasoned with. Unlike humans that have a will of their own.

Are you doing your part?

@knerf999

5 жыл бұрын

I'm doing MY part!

@staberas

5 жыл бұрын

I WILL DIE FOR MY EMPEROR

@peqbox

5 жыл бұрын

Squash those bugs kids!

@gunsmithcat7542

5 жыл бұрын

Desire to know more intensifies.

@saytax

5 жыл бұрын

Here's my part: There is nothing fascistic in the book or movie.

Had no idea that was a Golden Girl in the movie. Wow, that is awesome. Imagine if they'd gotten Betty White in a part to.

@zach11241

Жыл бұрын

Betty White was in it. She was the Brain Bug.

@einundsiebenziger5488

4 ай бұрын

... in a part,* too*.

It worked. As a kid all I wanted to do was join the mobile infantry and kill some bugs.

@SFOPS

4 ай бұрын

And now you can with helldivers 2 😂

"Frankly I find the idea of a bug that thinks, offensive!" - political climate 2019

@johnfkennedy1019

5 жыл бұрын

but what... what if they have some kind of control unit... a .. brain bug of some sort?

@vn01208503

5 жыл бұрын

@@johnfkennedy1019 you mean one bug controls the mass? COMMUNISM!

@whoknowswhocares885

5 жыл бұрын

Our political climate is way more stupid

@PretentiousAdonis

5 жыл бұрын

The political climate is closer to "I'm going to get offended by someone getting offended by something online while claiming I'm tough"

@griever01

5 жыл бұрын

Whoa there. Getting close to the curtain that's illegal to peek behind.

"Starship Troopers: How to make fascism sexy" *Desire to know more intensifies*

@IPA300

5 жыл бұрын

Step 1: Lie about Starship Troopers.

@Maxcraft12

5 жыл бұрын

@@IPA300 His Analysis is correct

@Styx007

4 жыл бұрын

Except it isn't though

@adamplentl5588

4 жыл бұрын

@@Styx007 Elaborate?

@LarsOfTheMohicans

4 жыл бұрын

What frightens proponents of egalitarianism is that the "fascism" portrayed in Starship Troopers actually works much better than its irl equivalent, in large part due to how it looks beyond obsession with racial purity and emphasis on the human species as a whole struggling to survive and expand. The global federation based on granting voting rights only to those who've underwent military service, and how it functions better than the democracy we currently have, is the coup de grace to the egalitarian dialectic. But muh equality tho.

I first watched this at age 11 and right after I immediately started to run outside and step on random ant piles. 😥

@luckystroke126

Жыл бұрын

I managed to ignite ants nest on the yard of my kindergarten using magnifying glass and when they asked me why did i do that? I answered Only good bug is a dead bug!. My dad had answer some questions to a child protection officials. He still reminds me of it to this day.

@felixcarter1435

Жыл бұрын

You're doing your part!

Wisecrack would run towards the bugs screaming "We can coexist" while getting ripped in half

Not based on. Slightly referenced by the novel. This movie is not even close.

@aritakalo8011

5 жыл бұрын

The book is pretty much a camouflage suit the actual movie content wears to sell the movie past the studio people. Dumb scifi action flick and with Henlein connection, SOLD. movie plot underneath: That sheep cloth worked perfectly, now lets blow the audiences minds.

@EksaStelmere

4 жыл бұрын

@@aritakalo8011 I loved the book, but the movie ended up pretty great too. Rare case of adaptation abuse actually resulting in something I enjoyed.

@krombopulos_michael

4 жыл бұрын

The film is basically a parody of the book

@raylordofkhalah28

4 жыл бұрын

@@kaistzar2831 if you read the book it supports open minded thinking, but supporting humanity and trying to understand a different species' mindset

@werewolf873

4 жыл бұрын

@@kaistzar2831 The system isn't totalitarian, it's a libertarian wet dream.

"Warmact" I laughed harder than I probably should of

@barakatullah1035

5 жыл бұрын

Another mistake; He said SS is a branch of german military.

@raphuscucullatus7845

5 жыл бұрын

@@barakatullah1035 Lmao, the SS were a paramilitary

@barakatullah1035

5 жыл бұрын

@@raphuscucullatus7845 thanks for proving my point.

@xifel72

5 жыл бұрын

@John Flaherty The were paramilitary because they were police and the militarized arm (spec Waffen-SS) of the Nazi Party. That is that they did not answer to the Wehrmacht (Germans national armed forces) or any national or state police agencies. If, hypothetically, an other party would have gotten power in Germany at the time, they would not have controlled the SS, but would control the Wehrmacht and the police. It is not at all the same as the KGB, nor the FBI or CIA. All those are state entities, and take order from the ruling party (however KGB operated in a one-party state).

@randomperson1141

5 жыл бұрын

Haha I came looking for someone to say it in the comments

Star Troopers was meant to be a satire of the book and ironically was pretty faithful to it.

@AlexReynard

Жыл бұрын

It's almost as if you need to understand something in order to satirize it. Poor Verhoeven, he tried.

@nomoturtle1788

4 ай бұрын

Lol, he admitted to not even reading it. I assume all the faithfulness was on the part of the staff that read it on behalf of his sorry state@@AlexReynard

Anyone here after Helldivers 2 dropped?

@the-wisest-emu

4 ай бұрын

So funny how that game had revived this movie's popularity. lol

Paul Verhoeven was a teen in WW2 occupied Holland, he’s explained that he thought that these Germans looked great in their uniforms, young, strong and energetic - it just shows this experience left a lasting impression on his young mind, it has nothing to do with sympathizing with Nazi or Fascist ideals. I’ve read similar accounts about German POWs that were captured in North Africa, or later when describing POWs from units like the 12th Waffen SS Pz Div in Normandy. The original book experiments with ideas of democracy Heinlein comes up with a synthesis of the modern democratic state and a warrior citizen state like Sparta. In order to be part of the demos (have full rights/citizenship) you need to have served the demos. Verhoeven combines his crush on German military uniforms with Heinlein’s concept of state and finally modern day US culture, including the early nineties re-emerged militarism and idealization of war (CNN and the like fit right in Starship Troopers’ world) this mix is highly successful because without adding the “Nazi” layer, even if intended more as a visual homage / cadre than anything else, the actual effect of reminding us what such a state amounts to would have been much less, it would have been like “Space above and beyond” or even “Galactica” remake, which replaced “colonials” with Americans in space. I see many parallels in modern day America and Israel, that would not be out of place in the Third Reich - Paul Verhoeven’s Starship Troopers is a pretty solid statement, intended or not.

@LordOfAllusion

5 жыл бұрын

Gregory Smith I’m pretty confident you don’t know anything about Sparta. It was a form of democracy, so democratic that they had two kings. Also, the senate was only in power for a limited time and had to justify their every action to their successors. Women owned much of the private property in the name of continuity, since only Citizens could own property, men were citizens, and men were often dying. The only Communist aspect of their society was that slaves did all of their farming.

@Andrew-dh9kv

5 жыл бұрын

@Gregory Smith Not liking commerce in those times meant that you preferred life as a feudal lord, wanted absolute control over your slaves, hated outside influences, and so you distrusted merchants. That is feudalism. It doesn't make you a socialist.

@BoxStudioExecutive

5 жыл бұрын

@Gregory Smith I have no idea where you get the idea that land was bestowed upon Spartiates by the state. It might have been bestowed upon certain people originally back when the city-state was founded but it was not a continuing practice, or Sparta would have never suffered demographic failure as Spartan citizens lost their citizenship when they couldn't pay their taxes. Land ownership was gradually tied up in a smaller and smaller number of families due to how inheritance worked. If the state could freely give land out this never would have happened.

@Quetzietse

Жыл бұрын

I think this is a very American perspective of Verhoeven that does not ring true for Dutch people at all. Robocop. Starship Troopers and Showgirls are reflections on modern American society from a modern Dutch perspective. All three movies are very similar, I would call them a thematic trilogy. Crime&Corruption, Nationalism&Military worship, and Sex&Profanity respectively. I find it funny that Americans tend to 'get' the first, are a bit mystified and divided on the second but are all very negative on the third. Exploding heads are censored but some titties in Showgirls are scandalous and it is an 'offensive' movie. Seems to me like American society is ready to talk about crime&corruption, have woken up to discussing nationalism and critique of the military since Starship Troopers came out, but sex is still a no-go area lol.

Okay I know this is nitpicking, but the SS wasn't part of the Wehrmacht as implied when talking about the dress code.

@chartreux1532

5 жыл бұрын

+Christoph Stich I'm German and work as Historian focused on german military history and culture and there is never a video on Youtbe made by an American or Brit who creates a completely factual Video of anything related to German Military, whether it's Franco-Prussian War, World War I or World War II. I think most people know that though and it's not worth posting all the mistakes and correct them. I appreciate the Effort though to present History in an entertaining way, even if there are small or big historical inaccuracies in them like in this Video

@richardgates7479

5 жыл бұрын

Well, it is Hollywood after all, they're only concerned about entertainment.

@Rakmarok

5 жыл бұрын

@@chartreux1532 Ever heard of the "The Great War" channel? Should be right up your alley.

@MichalSoukup1995

5 жыл бұрын

That depends on which part of SS we speak about, Waffen SS were part of Wehrmacht and answered to OKW and OKH plus command in theire respective theathre of operation, but rest of SS did its own thing under its own command structure.

@franlovelsimic8421

5 жыл бұрын

it's not nitpicking, it's common knowledge but common knowledge is unfortunately not that common in America.

This film reminds me A LOT of a Mel Brooks’ “The Producers” (starring Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder) in that they are both brilliant satires-that-aren’t that you could very easily see actually happening. Paul Verhoeven is one of those really rare commodities: a bona fide director-auteur with more than a touch of genius.

@felixcarter1435

Жыл бұрын

So much of a genius he forgot to put any actual fascism in his satire? He's a lazy moron.

Who else got recommended this after watching Helldivers 2 videos?

Starship Troopers: Service guarantees citizenship. Fascism: Citizenship guarantees service.

@soxysoxy3277

5 жыл бұрын

that's not fascism, that's compulsory military service

@Dharengo

5 жыл бұрын

@Soxy Soxy compulsory military service is at the CORE of fascism.

@Sam-eu9go

5 жыл бұрын

@@Dharengo watch cultured thug on KZread if you really want to know what fascist ideology is.

@007kingifrit

5 жыл бұрын

@@soxysoxy3277 except service does not imply military service

@BlazingWolfNova

5 жыл бұрын

Dharengo Does that mean countries with compulsory military service like Israel, South Korea and Norway have core fascist values?

Most of the Starship Troopers is Facist criticism is based on the misconception that citizenship can only be earned through military service. It's actually civil service... the movie just focuses on military service b/c it a war story... And when you factor that in, well the whole fascism thing doesn't really hold water any more

@zerofox2030

5 жыл бұрын

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING!? That if they focused on the guy earning his citizenship cleaning poop in the sewers because he wasn't fit enough for military service wouldn't be a good war movie!? lol thumbs up.

@xifel72

5 жыл бұрын

And everyone is allowed to take the service, even if they are severely disabled, the state is responsible to create a job that they could do to earn citizenship.

@stefanfun

5 жыл бұрын

​@@xifel72 the way I understood it, it would still be in service of the military.

@Kintaro0e

5 жыл бұрын

@@stefanfun That's because the director didn't read the book and left the other ways to gain citizenship out.

@doubledawg2006

5 жыл бұрын

Even then it isn't fascism.

Im playing Helldivers 2 and want tô know more!

Forgot the part where the bugs attacked first and on sight.

You know he doesn’t know what he’s talking about when he uses “fascism” and “militarism” interchangeably.

@Floral_Green

5 жыл бұрын

Well, it is the ‘founding myth’ of modernity, after all. Gotta hate dem ebil nahtsees, else you’re a bad person and should have your life ruined.

@endurovro

5 жыл бұрын

Jay Mazella Aaaah, a fellow True Diltom watcher. If the people in this video spent 10 minutes watching his videos, this video would probably be good and even accurate.

@Wintermute909

5 жыл бұрын

@Manek Iridius I wonder why the Stalin and Marx cults of personality, and the deaths of 100M through communism are given a free pass tho. At the very least, they should be considered just as abhorrent.

@momo-ht2oe

5 жыл бұрын

Militarism and the jingoism is a major feature of fascism

@SLiV9

5 жыл бұрын

So are you saying fascism isn't bad because it isn't militarism, or that militarism isn't bad because it isn't fascism?

Services garentees citizenship join today. (Not just military service as its obvious they haven't read the book)

@simonwinn8757

5 жыл бұрын

Join today and you can be a technician 3rd grade, who cleans the chicken noodle dispenser.

@QuaccAttacc

5 жыл бұрын

@@simonwinn8757 Does this look anything remotely like a 14B? That's a 14F, are you BLIND?!

@PinkMawile

5 жыл бұрын

The book is way different than the movie. In the Book is wasn't just those that served in the military, but anyone that serves the state in some fashion. And it straight up says it isn't the service that matters; instead that people who are willing to exercise their autonomy in service of others are the only ones who should be given the right to vote (because they are less likely to seek out short-sighted self-serving political ends if they live in a life of service to others). Also in the book, reproductive rights weren't restricted to citizens. So yea, I'd love to see these guys do an analysis of the book, because the movie was made more as a misunderstanding parody of the book.

@SixFootScream

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah the book and movie have almost zero in common

@MrGreenTabasco

5 жыл бұрын

The mvoie and the book are two complete seperate works, as Verhoofen absolutely stated he had never any intention of making the book look good. They never talked about the book here. It is quite something that you act all superiour, and are not even capable of grasping that.

Helldivers 2 brought me here

seems a lot of people on the comments missing some interesting key points: * Humans tried to colonize arachnid territory first * The bugs deviated a meteor from light years away in span of days is complete bullshit and make no sense,.no because of plothole...but because it is a bullshit excuse * At the end of the movie, humanity is on the brisk of extinction...they are already deploying children (who are not seen on the end, implying they all died on the last mission too), with humanity getting a single victory...that is minor at best.

@joshuamaurer9784

4 ай бұрын

*Mormon separatists are not a part of the Federation and were warned by the Federation not to go into that space. The bugs, rather than negotiate or solve the situation diplomatically, slaughtered the separatists. Then, because the bugs are a hive mind and cannot perceive humanity as individuals, attack earth killing millions. The Federation did not start the war. *Not a bullshit excuse. They are trying to exterminate humanity. They have the technology to do this. *They are not on the brink of extinction. It is a war of extinction, but it has been one battle in enemy territory. They captured one creature that controls the hive mind. Literally a victory. We have no idea how this war ends, unfortunately. It's quite clear that you're caught looking at the Hugo Boss uniforms and not understanding or listening to Heinlein's writing.

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." - Robert A. Heinlein

@gert-janroodehal7368

5 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a fascist!

@LordVVar

5 жыл бұрын

​@@gert-janroodehal7368 If what I'm about to say comes off as a bit brash, I apologize, but I don't think that word means what you think it means... As defined by Merriam-Websters, Fascism - a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above *the* *individual* and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. Fascism is a new kind of right-wing socialism that emerged based on nationalism. In the doctrine of fascism, Mussolini explains that the 20th century was to be the century of the state. A fascist society forces its population to be wards of the state, from the cradle to the grave. So, no... "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." Doesn't sound fascist... If that's the word you would use to describe that quote, then I believe you have a gross misunderstanding of the word itself. Comparing that quote to fascism is like comparing your statement to a well thought out detailed argument. Get it? Because your statement was none of those things; not well thought out, detailed nor even an argument. Heinlein's quote tells you, that you are the highest moral authority in your life and you should act like it. You know right from wrong and you should, through right action, demonstrate this to others. The philosophy Heinlein was trying to transmit was one of personal empowerment & self-improvement, limited government and noble self-sacrifice. Which are essentially the ideas Jordan Peterson is trying to put across. Here, let me reword that quote so it actually does sound fascist, I exist to serve the state. If I find the states rules to be tolerable I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I will still obey. I am free because the state tells me I am free. The Starship Troopers universe is, essentially, a libertarian power fantasy, not a fascist one. It's okay to not agree with something, like that quote, but you can't just blatantly label everything you personally disagree with as "Fascist." Otherwise the word eventually breaks down and loses all meaning. Again, I apologize for this long winded bloated response.

@gert-janroodehal7368

5 жыл бұрын

@@LordVVar I'm sorry I was being ironic. Heinlein is indeed the opposite of a fascist and your quote clearly proves so. I'm suprised to see DreamPioneer up there actually equating doing what you want with fascism. A.k.a: freedom is fascism. Now THAT is something a real fascist would say.

@stephenpaccone8120

5 жыл бұрын

@@LordVVar gay

@jeanrazac

5 жыл бұрын

@@LordVVar he was being facetious. Twas a joke my dude

This video borders on being the kind of propaganda it pretences to vilify.

@endurovro

5 жыл бұрын

Borders? If the border you’re speaking of was the US-Mexican border, Wisecrack would currently be in Seattle after crossing it long before.

@meepchiche001

5 жыл бұрын

@@endurovro Not everything is an allegory for American politics or trumps wall, sometimes a movie can be general enough to surpass that, or do we always have to see everything through such narrow glasses?

@endurovro

5 жыл бұрын

Mendicant Bias I wasn’t suggesting an American-centric view for this movie, I only offered a comparison to how ideologically driven this video was (calling a militarist-libertarian democracy fascist because they hate fascism and want to just talk about how evil the Nazis were, even though the connections between the Federation and Nazis are very weak- it’s more similar to the US to be honest). You’re making it out into something else entirely. Also, IT WAS A JOKE, utilizing exaggeration. Even with that established, I did not even discuss Trump or the border wall, I could’ve used any other country for it but this one is the funniest example. Let’s be honest here, you only replied with that comment because I said American-Mexican border and YOU THOUGHT “Trump” and feel a need to accuse me of obsessing over American politics. Not every joke with the words “American” and “border” on the internet is an obsession over US politics.

@lucasfortes7705

5 жыл бұрын

True.

@TheJadeFist

5 жыл бұрын

@@meepchiche001 Well Wisecrack went there first, this recent moral panic about "facism" and "nationalism" is just anti white racism trying to demonize people who dare to think they should have the rights to exist and to not be constantly demonized and disrespected for things they never did or to have their cultures and nations destroyed. This is more than just America, but the border comparison that mr JC Denton down here used, still fits within context of the framed issues. The real ironic part here, is how Star Ship Troopers showed a very, egalitarian society. Creepily infact with, the degendering for lack of better word.

The government of the Federation in Starship Troppers isn't fascist. It's essentially a meritocratic republic.

“This movie is Tough to pin down.” The director, Paul Verhoeven, who was born in the Netherlands in 1938, directly stated this film is anti-fascism and anti-war through the use of satire. And the writer, Edward Neumeier echoed that statement. How much clearer can you get?

This is probably my favorite movie. When this came out I understood it to be clearly a satire of fascism, not pro fascism in any way. No one has been more surprised at some peoples take at it being pro fascism than Paul Verhoeven. That's "idiotic" as he likes to put it.

@zachfakelastname

4 жыл бұрын

Han Lockhart the bugs are a metaphor for an “other” that represents different races

@zachfakelastname

4 жыл бұрын

@Han Lockhart I'm talking about the movie, the book is written by a militaristic right wing author, that's not the type of person who would write a metaphor on racism

@jerrymathewninan6739

4 жыл бұрын

@Han Lockhart The movie is a satire of the book. Obviously we are talking about the movie here...

@zachfakelastname

4 жыл бұрын

@SmashStomp Inc "you're and idiot" I love the irony

@Robert-rw5lm

4 жыл бұрын

@@zachfakelastname the metaphor is communism not races, that's why in the book, Rico is a Filipino

A serious question. *When faced with brutish enemy, how do would one wage war without hate for one's enemy?* Please, give me a sexy non fascist reason.

@Bahumutgn

5 жыл бұрын

Because you love what's you're protecting vastly more than you hate the enemy

@Th3Majst3r

5 жыл бұрын

@@Bahumutgn That's good. But killing people because you love someone you defend would develop into hate.

@austinmonteavaro1268

5 жыл бұрын

@@Th3Majst3r and hate leads to... sUfFerRinG.

@Th3Majst3r

5 жыл бұрын

@Manek Iridius what's the point of loving what you protect in that case?

@tyronejmal6345

5 жыл бұрын

you think too much in us vs them

I'm still not convinced the Federation wasn't responsible for meteor that destroyed Buenos Aires.

@TimTYT

3 жыл бұрын

Or maybe it was a natural asteroid and the Federation just claimed Bug aggression. I mean lobbing an asteroid across the entire galaxy with enough precision to hit earth seems unlikely.

@Mark-xh8md

3 жыл бұрын

@@TimTYT - You underestimate the brain bugs.

@libertas_americana

3 жыл бұрын

@@TimTYT Well that theory was destroyed when the Bugs literally do a counter attack when the humans were invading. Remember when Rico goes missing because of the failed invasion? Hell, Zander and Carmen's characters are held prisoner for the Brain bug could suck their brains out for information. Why do people act like they never seen the movie and assume the Federation is lying?

@TimTYT

3 жыл бұрын

@@libertas_americana I don't get what that has to do with anything.

@libertas_americana

3 жыл бұрын

@@TimTYT Well then provide me evidence on how its a "Natural asteroid" and not the bugs actually sending them. Because I'm just providing on how smart the bugs are. Smart enough to send asteroid filled with bugs to earth. the burden of proof is on you to prove your theory. Get it now?

The Fascism is one thing, but as I got older, the main thing I noticed is how all the main characters are terrible people that become worse..

The Federation is not fascist at all. Just because the right to vote must be earned, doesn't make it fascist. It's still a democracy with a capitalist economy.

@swanky_yuropean7514

5 жыл бұрын

That's wrong on so many levels. The federation is a one-party state where the media is exclusively in the hands of the government. What makes it so insidious is that you have to prove your loyalty to the system first before you get a vote. What that vote means is not entirely clear. In one scene as one Skymarshall resigned he got immediately replaced by another one, no election was shown. The system in the movie couldn't be further away from a democracy with a capitalist economy. It has more in common with communist China than any liberal democracy.

@QarthCEO

5 жыл бұрын

@@swanky_yuropean7514 What movie did you watch?? Where does it say there's only one party? Rico's family is rich, yet they are not citizens. The media is actually independent with thousands of channels and reported the government's failure. How is that communist? Sky Marshall's have 2nds in commands, just like the president has a vice. If one resigns, the other takes over. Where is the fascism?

@Dja05

5 жыл бұрын

Plus, they even air dissenting opinions on tv; where the fuck did you get all that from...

@Schnittertm1

5 жыл бұрын

@@Dja05 Well, if you want to convince your subjects that they are living in a democracy, then, yes, one way to do that would be to allow dissenting opinions to be shown. However, if they are shown, they are usually edited and framed in such a way, as to make the position of the dissenter to appear weak and foolish to follow, as is done in the movie discussed here.

@Muck006

5 жыл бұрын

@@swanky_yuropean7514 Where did you get that "one-party state" idea from? Neither the book nor the movie talk about politics and political parties much; they ONLY FOCUS ON THE MILITARY ... but that doesnt mean that civilisation is run by the military. The whole point of Rico's choice was to "get the vote" ... but that would be MEANINGLESS without any real choices to make, i.e. SEVERAL parties ...

Isn't Starship Troopers just an extreme libertarian meritocracy? Nobody gets forced into doing anything they don't want to, they just get heavily incentivised and rewarded for competency.

@stevenr6397

5 жыл бұрын

they arnt really interested in merit though, two people doing the same job will be rewarded equally regardless of how well they do it, the requirement is commitment not competence (not counting the SS guys) it breaks down to a binary, there are those that do fight and those that dont, citizens and civilians hell the only reason Johnny gets promoted is because people above him get killed, if the film had been 30mins longer he'd be a general by the end of the movie

@MrPobanz

5 жыл бұрын

@@stevenr6397 How did you come to this conclusion? Johnny gets both promoted and demoted in the beginning solely based on merit (for being the best leader and later for getting someone killed). Later the sky marshal gets demoted because he fucked up. I don't know which movie you watched, but it surely wasn't Verhoevens Star Ship Troopers.

@stevenr6397

5 жыл бұрын

@@Unit-kp8wm mainly because he only gets promoted when either ace abdicates responsibility or someone dies, yes he gets demoted for being screwing up but promotions just go to the next in line or whoever is near by

@macmcleod1188

Жыл бұрын

No. In fact, in the book history, meritocracy was tried and failed. It's not about ability or intelligence. It's about emotions. It's about caring more for others than yourself. His central point is that people who put the rest of society first make better voters and leaders. I.e. people who put themselves first do not make better voters and leaders.

As the teacher Mr. DuBois states, "Naked force has resolved more issues throughout history than any other factor." Well, that's nothing but the truth. How is that "fascist"? If one looks at the totality of human history, one finds that war is one of humanity's favorite activities (or to be more precise, one of the favorite activities of humanity's rulers). It's certainly regrettable, but it's an undeniable truth.

@deaddropsd1972

3 жыл бұрын

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@kokofan50

3 жыл бұрын

Democracies are actually pretty warlike

@deaddropsd1972

3 жыл бұрын

kokofan50 if led by reckless fools. But trying to think of legitimate democracy starting war w a legitimate democracy

@kokofan50

3 жыл бұрын

@@deaddropsd1972 that makes no sense.

Starship Troopers was a satire, just like Robocop. In Starship Troopers the character (Rico) embraces the system and becomes part of it, but in Robocop he rebels and fights against the system.

@NeoConnor1

Жыл бұрын

That's the way I see it too. Robocop is about finding identity, while Starship Troopers is about the loss of it.

Biggest Takeaway I took from this film was in the future locker room showers will be unisex 😬

@urbz6712

5 жыл бұрын

Robocop has the same thing.

@Moonlightatnight2

5 жыл бұрын

This and Aliens.

@Vampybattie

5 жыл бұрын

Finland military is like that

@willek1335

3 жыл бұрын

@@Vampybattie How does that not dissolve into boiking?

Service guarantees Citizenship = Libertarianism Citizenship guarantees Service = Fascism

@piggypoo

5 жыл бұрын

kek

@xifel72

5 жыл бұрын

@ArchersBowHaveBroken Actually, they have no political power. If I am not completely wrong (it has been a few years since I read the book) active military do not have any voting rights or political power. I think they mention that only veterans that have left the military get voting rights, because they want to keep military influence out of the government. I could be wrong, but I have a vague memory of that in the book (when Rico goes to Officer school)

@quintessenceSL

5 жыл бұрын

Poll tax = Libertarianism One man, One vote = Fascism Taxation without Representation = Libertarianism Decentralizing political power = Fascism

@imranmeco3393

5 жыл бұрын

@@xifel72 You gain citizenship after finishing your service (that doesn't even have to be military), so, under peace time they'd serve two (or four, can't remember) years and then gain their citizenship and do whatever they want. Not 100% sure on this, but I think they can't leave the military during war and that their service is considered done after the war.

@Riku-zv5dk

5 жыл бұрын

@@imranmeco3393 which would probably see a spike of citizens once the conflict has ended, but not before or during it.

I would like to know more I agree that the movie doesn't take a clear stance and hit you over the head with a "fascism is bad y'all" message. But then again that's what enables the audience to feel the seduction for a little bit. Seeing fascism from the side of the participants rather than the victims is a way to face up to the inner demons we all have rather than see ourselves as perfect.

@anderstopansson

4 жыл бұрын

Right. This is not fascism, is much better, is national-socialism.

@nickschmidt7663

2 жыл бұрын

But what actual fascism was there? Trenchcoats? Thats about it.

The whole military was completely voluntary.

In the movie we are shown that the media is pretty transparent with regards to the utter disaster of the assault on Klendathu and they even go as far as to publicly elect a new sky Marshall because of said disaster. I can not imagine for the life of me seeing a fascist regime own up to its own military mistakes like that.

@fall190

5 жыл бұрын

its a lost cause m8, the director himself doesn't understand fascism

@QwertyCaesar

5 жыл бұрын

Sure they would, but then they have to create a scapegoat. Which is what happened in the film.

@Ephsy

5 жыл бұрын

The military council that ruled Argentina in the 80s often switched it's main commander in response to their bumbling mistakes. Doesn't means the average civilian (not Citizen) has any voice in it.

@QwertyCaesar

5 жыл бұрын

@@Ephsy Don't forget what happened to Rico either. Instead of facing a military trial or simply being drummed out they made an example out of him. For his failures they publically humiliated him via torture - torture that was mandatory viewing for the military personnel on base, not unlike the public executions mentioned earlier in the film. Rico didn't even face an actual military trial because that isn't what they care about. They care most about the appearance of strength and will reinforce that through superficial means.

@NoConsequenc3

5 жыл бұрын

Swapping out a Marshall doesn't mean shit when literally none of the tactics change

The fascist imagery in Starship Troopers was noticed immediately by the film's critics upon release. Also the "Would you like to know more?" trope was mimicking Microsoft's slogan at the time "Where do you want to go today?"

@nickschmidt7663

2 жыл бұрын

The only thing fascist in this movie is the trenchcoats. It's hilarious that NPCs can't tell the difference.

@matthew8153

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickschmidt7663 If they could tell the difference we wouldn’t have a fascist organization today that calls itself anti-fascist.

@coreygarris9390

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickschmidt7663 I mean, sure, if you look past all the other parallels and lick boots for a living.

@willbgm5x5

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickschmidt7663 From my point of view, you’re an npc. Interesting how that works right?

@DakDarklighter

2 жыл бұрын

@@coreygarris9390 Give an example of how Starship Troopers is fascist without referencing the uniforms or the sentence about how Germany won WW2 in the beginning.

Saying this movie is pro fascist is like saying Robocop is pro corporate

There's 12 thousand comments so this will probably be lost to the mass, but have you thought about doing anything on Star Trek SG1? I feel that I'm able to enjoy it because the enemy is a clearly evil, literal race of parasites, that have done unspeakable things to humanity. All of humanity. It might be pretty military porn at times, but I love how even when the Goa'uld are portrayed as 100% evil in the first season, the bioessentialism fades quite a bunch. At first we see rebellious Jaffa, then have the Tok'Ra to show that not all of the parasites are evil, as they can make conscious, moral choices despite them biologically needing a host, only taking voluntary hosts who would die otherwise. I'm still at early seasons of rewatch, but I bet there's a whole load of something to break down with the portrayals of religions, the later seasons arcs, the Asgardians not also always being wholly good, etc etc. Thanks for the videos

You know you quote Stalin “death of one is a tragedy the death of a million is a statistic “ , then prove Federation didn’t do that.

In order to make the state in Starship Troopers appealing they had to take several things on what a fascist state really his. Propaganda was done in every countries in WW2. Making enemy repulsive was common. Militarist society is common in a lot of regime. Neither you nor the film really understand what fascism really his I think.

@agilagilsen8714

5 жыл бұрын

The film was never intended to be a propaganda piece for or against fascism tho. it just borrowed uniform designs to a certain extent and that is all. I think the film has a much better understanding of what fascism is then whoever made the script for this video.

@Muck006

5 жыл бұрын

@@agilagilsen8714 Oh yes ... Verhoeven intended to show the society as a fascist society ... and FAILED completely!

@agilagilsen8714

5 жыл бұрын

@@Muck006 If he actually tried then I have no idea how. Other then the uniforms nothing about their society is resembling of a fascist society at all. I mean in terms of things that aren't normal in any society that is at war.

@Z50nemesis

5 жыл бұрын

@ArchersBowHaveBroken How can you say they join volintary when theybare fed propaganda about how good cool and fun is to be in the military

@beyonddreamland273

5 жыл бұрын

Alias Z50 Every military does that? Ever seen a US army add “make life long friendships, and learn what it means to be part of something bigger than yourself!”

dude I remember watching this movie when I was like 11 or 12 and after I saw them tattoing their arms with "Death" I went to the bathroom and wrote "Death" on my upper arm with a pencil HAHAHAHAH

@maroonstarsface

4 жыл бұрын

I watched at a similar age but only remember dizzy boobs

As a European it's amazing to see how much trouble many Americans still have to interpret this movie. No, its not just a satire on fascism, its also a critique of the Unites States' obsession with violence as a solution for solving problems. The film basically shows the viewers how close some American ideals (glorifying patriotism, the military, violence and beauty, dehumanizing opponents) is to the German fascist ideals of the 30's and 40's. The fact that a lot of people take this film literally only proves its point: American audiences are so used to movies revolving around the idea of using violence to solve problems, that they cant distinguish a satirical take on fascist propaganda from a serious movie about good guys beating the bad guys.

@karlosthejackel69

4 ай бұрын

“As a European” You’re being conquered by the third world right now and are too scared of buzzwords to defend yourself.

@theketaminekid1241

4 ай бұрын

Exactly! Well put (coming from an American.)

Wisecrack did not want to know more. Ended up as bug food...sad... :(

@Merc7734

5 жыл бұрын

F

you kinda stretching this one. Heinlein was a Libertarian and the federation is the image of a hyper-libertarian society. In fact, it is valid to argue the bugs are the fascist ones. The only reason the film has so much fascist imagery was that the director wanted to make the film about fascism regardless of what it actually was!

@mr.gamer900elkostudio3

5 жыл бұрын

Bugs were to be compared to communist

@harveygeorgefoster

5 жыл бұрын

Mr.Gamer900 Elko Studio yeah but I don’t think Heinlein did a very good job at that. The bugs have a clear hierarchy and show individual will. The bugs, however, are fanatically loyal to their state and have complete unity of race. It’s like Hitler’s wet dream

@mr.gamer900elkostudio3

5 жыл бұрын

@@harveygeorgefoster ya that's true.

@metaphorpritam

5 жыл бұрын

@@harveygeorgefoster ' show individual will.' Only Brain Bugs

@fieldy409

5 жыл бұрын

Nope. There's no freedom in a society where all its people cannot vote. Any real libertarian would be offended by the loss of that right.

I've always loved this movie, first as a dumb action movie then rewatching it as it get older I get the more philosophical aspects and makes it better. Imo the movie is supposed to be a in-universe propaganda film

@nickschmidt7663

2 жыл бұрын

The best part of the movie is the way NPCs can't tell that it isn't fascist at all.

@JimJamTheAdmin

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickschmidt7663 I love seeing you spam the same comment over and over again, word for word. Almost like an NPC in a videogame.

@squasholantern6343

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickschmidt7663 Fascism was created to oppose Communism. Why would the winners of any war give the losers a fair shake in the history books?

3:32 its HANK

Do the philosophy of the Golden Girls, coward!

@watcher8582

5 жыл бұрын

This could work. I'd like to see an economic analysis of that decade and the history of that generation together with it.

@OfAngelsAndAnarchist

5 жыл бұрын

It needs one first What you’re asking may as well be, ‘do the trans philosophy of Alice in wonderland” You could do it but you have to impose almost all of it and force it out of the work There’s actually interesting work out there hopefully they focus on instead

@markspqr

5 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah ...

@zippoboyshaneshank8954

5 жыл бұрын

I would love to see a Wisecrack episode on The Golden Girls. I grew up with that show, and I'm happy to see it's had a resurgence of popularity among young people. It started with Betty White Memes and remained because of the shows progressive humor.

@patrickmike2524

5 жыл бұрын

But they just did a video on fascism, do we need another one so quickly?

"Fascist officer from a high-tech parallel universe" is one of the best moves in the Playbook.

Wtf I love Fascism now

"Leaders are made, they are not born. They are made by hard effort, which is the price which all of us must pay to achieve any goal that is worthwhile.” - Vince Lombardi

In book, Rico's father joins Marines after home is demolished.

@deaddropsd1972

4 жыл бұрын

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@Sorcerers_Apprentice

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't like the book compared to the movie. All the characters were flat, the narrator doesn't really go into much detail about what they do, if he likes them, how he thinks they feel, etc. so I didn't care about them that much. He goes on with the philosophy of how great violence and punishment are, but the story doesn't really reflect that. All the violence and punishment doesn't accomplish much, beyond killing people and bugs. By the end of the story they were trying to capture and study the bugs to learn more about them, so just shooting at the problem clearly wasn't working. The parts about aliens weren't well described or very exciting to me.

@deaddropsd1972

4 жыл бұрын

Sorcerer's Apprentice darn. Well the concept of how violence is applied and it’s relation to voting 🗳 were my favorites. More emphasis on big vision of human nature I think. Oh well. Glad you at least read it. I sadly feel society will continue to go downward unless we get serious about crime and punishment.

@Sorcerers_Apprentice

4 жыл бұрын

@@deaddropsd1972 America has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world. if punishment alone worked, then America would be the safest country in the world. If people commit crimes due to issues like drug addiction and mental illness, then programs like addiction counselling and public health care would be more effective than punishment. Heinlen's own militarism turned out to be dead wrong in both the story and real life. In his view, communists were the same as insects - disgusting creatures that were technologically inferior and literally dehumanized. If violence and punishment were the best solutions, than the protagonist could have just shot everything and the problem would be solved, instead they needed science. He thought the Cold War would only end in WWIII, with the might of the American Army to save the day. It ended with civil unrest and public protest throughout Eastern Europe after Heinlen's death, because the people living there hated repression.

@deaddropsd1972

4 жыл бұрын

Sorcerer's Apprentice physical punishment. Caning like Singapore 🇸🇬. Cleaner streets. Draconian. Yes I know but still what I wish for. Robbery. Whipping. Murder - hanging. I think we overthink things. We have gone to far towards “rights”. No mention of “duty”. Kids get abducted. Murdered. Criminals get incarcerated. Repeat. I am 10000% for mental health hospitalization, rehabilitation. Universal healthcare. However when a man kidnaps or murders anyone- swift death 💀 penalty. Tolerance of these crimes just encourages worse. Alternative, is just keep doing what we are doing...

Where is the dictator? Where is the "forcible suppression of opposition" ? Remember the Mormon group that settled on the planet and started the whole thing? The Mormon group wasn't a part of earths government, and they weren't being attacked. I do recognize that it was definitely intended to be a film that did represent fascism. That can't be more obvious. I'm just saying they did a bad job. Unless there's a definition of fascism that doesn't involve a dictator.

@swanky_yuropean7514

5 жыл бұрын

You don't need to have a dictator in a fascist system. A one-party state can do the job just as well. Fascism is defined as authoritarian ultranationalism where the society and the economy is heavily regulated.

@fubaralakbar6800

5 жыл бұрын

According to the left, fascism is when you don't have a leftist dictator.

@cool_sword

5 жыл бұрын

Neither of the two definitions I can think of off of the top of my head, Eco's and Trotsky's, require a dictator. You're not describing a fascist government, rather I think you're describing a government that has characteristics that remind you of fascism, even though those characteristics are neither required for nor even really necessarily suggestive of fascism. Put another way, I think you're focused too much on appearances and less on how the system is operating. This is an absolutely amazing depiction of fascism. My favorite part of the movie is the idea that becoming a citizen is the result of free will despite civilians being subject to years of government propaganda in schools and the government. That illustrates how you can take the sort of short cited negative freedom that's mainstream irl and which appeals to the common person and use it for very nefarious political purposes. That's the kind of thing fascists do before and after they're throwing people out of helicopters or into ovens.

@cool_sword

5 жыл бұрын

@@swanky_yuropean7514 also a bad post. A good general rule is anyone who thinks they can define fascism simply is uncurious, illiterate, or a liar. Maybe my mentioning Trotsky will make some right winger acknowledge there are a million working but contradictory definitions of fascism. The wobbliest leg on thid particular table is economic regulation. The idea that fascism requires heavy economic regulation is the kind of nonsense pushed by people who read Atlas Shrugged because Anarchy, State, and Utopia was too scary. They HAVE to make it a necessary condition for fascism or they would find themselves in the uncomfortable position of supporting fascists.

@bobhonkhonk9843

5 жыл бұрын

@@swanky_yuropean7514 Has there ever been fascism without a dictator?

1:15 "This movie is tough to pin down" much like Heinlein himself.

@nickschmidt7663

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. A meritocratic libertarian utopia is the exact opposite of fascism. The only difficulty comes if one thinks that fascism is trenchcoats or something

'It is afraid' *crowd cheers* Giving me chills

@aaronlaughter6471

Жыл бұрын

Because up to that point, no other arachnid had any emotions. The brain bug being afraid meant the federation could possibly sue for peace.

They spent more rounds on the killing of one bug than The A-Team used in an entire episode!!!

@Twannnng

3 жыл бұрын

At least they actually hit something.

@luger_Mann

2 жыл бұрын

this movie at least last time I checked, had the world record for most Live ammunition used in a film

@macmcleod1188

Жыл бұрын

That scene was really stupid. They would have been killing each other surrounding it like that.

Man, I'd forgotten what a gorgeous babe Denise Richards was, back in the day.

@jorgenorberto293

5 жыл бұрын

Always felt more atracted to Dina Meyer.

@mikepuppetz9

5 жыл бұрын

She posed for playboy around that time. You're welcome.

@watcher8582

5 жыл бұрын

She's a Wild Thing.

@wantedbonbon6443

5 жыл бұрын

Time to check on that Wild Things sex scene again huh

@sasshole8121

5 жыл бұрын

Finally, the voice of reason in the comments.

Born too early to explore the Earth Born too late to kill the bugs on their home planet Guess I'll just watch another YT vid then.

At 4:28 you talk about the right to exercise sovereign franchise [vote] being given for them being willing to inflict violence, as a true fan of heinlein I must correct you, sovereign franchise can not be given, it must be earned through arduous service to the state, and be willing to put his life on the line and if necessary be willing to die for the body of politik

Starship Troopers isn't fascist. Deleting comments on the other hand...

@EnigmacTheFirst

5 жыл бұрын

Hot take

@coffeecaesar1443

5 жыл бұрын

Not sure if you understand fascism. Good luck in this political climate.

@saytax

5 жыл бұрын

@@coffeecaesar1443 Censoring dissent from popular opinion wouldn't be considered fascistic in nature?

@Millionsofpeas

5 жыл бұрын

It is.

@gabrielrosas4200

5 жыл бұрын

Lmao wow

Starship Troopers was a satire, just like Robocop was. It was one of the funniest films I've ever seen.

@stephenvoss6092

3 жыл бұрын

The movie was , the book was quite serious.

@fuzzywzhe

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickschmidt7663 Except Earth was lied into the war. Klendathu was the arachnid's home planet, and the ONLY place Earth was attacking. Earth was invading the bugs. The bugs didn't have interstellar travel, so just exactly did they manage to drop an asteroid on Buenos Ares? Well, they didn't, either it was an accident that Earth used for propaganda purposes, or it was an outright false flag. Every human being in the film is nothing more than a commodity so people are purposely sent to their deaths, and the war isn't even necessary. If Earth doesn't want to be bothered by the bugs, they could just leave Klendathu - that's not even presented in the film as a possibility ONCE. This film was a satire on US foreign policy, done before the 2nd Iraq war based on Operation Desert Storm, Grenada, Bosnia, Serbia, Vietnam, etc. George W. Bush then lied to us about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Then Obama lied about Qaddafi "causing a humanitarian crisis" and "Assad gassing his people". We get lied to all the time. Russian Collusion was a lie. Our last election was a lie. Heck, I think at this point there's quite a bit of compelling evidence to suggest 9/11 was an internal false flag to do what PNAC wanted, and that was 100 years of war. This film really is a bit of genius because it's almost prescient. It's off topic, but I think it's funny that so many morons were screaming the Orange Man was a Nazi, when in fact, the US has been run by Nazis since at least 2000. Probably since George H. Bush became president in 1988. Clinton was swell friends with the Bush family when he was running cocaine through Arkansas for the CIA during the 1980s. Gary Webb did a book on that called Dark Alliances, then he killed himself a decade later, but shooting himself in the head, twice.

@usamwhambam

2 жыл бұрын

I think your are seeing too much of your personal perceptions and political persuasions in the events of the movie.

@fuzzywzhe

2 жыл бұрын

​@@usamwhambam Me? Have you seen what Paul Verhoeven has stated about the film? This is the same guy that made Robocop. Starship Troopers is CLEARLY a satire. kzread.info/dash/bejne/YoWj1tqAqZepe84.html You're missing it out if you don't see the film for what it was intended to be. This is a deeply dark comedy. Starship Troopers is one of the most BRUTAL satires on film.

@tacky4237

2 жыл бұрын

@@fuzzywzhe give me a definition of fascism.

Me thinking they were all in college when I was actually a teenager watching this for the first time.

@riccardomallardo7779

4 ай бұрын

I finished high school almost ten years ago and yet Rico looks older than me

this movie is 20 years old and locks better than most CGI film today - and by the way its clear that it is a satire.