I heard a guy on KZread saying something that stuck in my mind: Boeing engineers are just as good as any other engineers from spaceX or other companies...The problem with Boeing is it's corporate culture.

@h.db.9684

14 күн бұрын

That’s not necessarily true. Good companies with good wages attract good employees. I’m not an engineer, but if I were, I’d never work at Boeing.

@tippyc2

14 күн бұрын

@@h.db.9684 No, he has a point. Boeing can pay comparable salaries for engineers. They're hampered by corporate though.

@TheAmericanAmerican

13 күн бұрын

Sounds more like a capitalism problem to me

@FredPilcher

13 күн бұрын

It's a wonderful illustration of what happens when you replace engineers with bean counters.

@TheAmericanAmerican

13 күн бұрын

@@FredPilcher dude, as someone who works as an engineer, don't blame the bean counters here. The current CEO of Boeing is anything but. He's just someone's spoiled nepo baby with no skills other than "fire people makes line go up".

My favorite nickname for the "Starliner" comes from Scott Manley, the "Stayliner".

@siphotheguy1870

10 күн бұрын

My favourite nickname is the Shitliner

Boeing is such a mess. But that's what happens when you lay off a large percentage of your quality inspectors and try to cut corners for short term profits. Sometimes it's worth paying the high wages for high quality.

@verypleasantguy

14 күн бұрын

Anyone who paid huge sums of money to acquire Titanium valve, and end up getting Aluminum, is definitely _super duper generous_

@Nathan-vt1jz

14 күн бұрын

That’s definitely major part of it. I’d also add administrative bloat, restrictive regulations, and staffing development failure.

@bryanmccarthy6493

14 күн бұрын

I worked for a Boeing/GE sub company (Montana Precision products) as a aerospace welder and the number of non conforming parts that passed through the QC department was ridiculous. in 6 months, almost 50,000 parts that had been deemed non confirming were allowed to enter the supply pipeline. This was for the 737 Max and was "discovered" after the first fatal crash.

@BruceBoyde

14 күн бұрын

@@bryanmccarthy6493 But those shareholders got to soak up those fat profits before it predictably went to shit! That's clearly what matters most.

@Cloud30000

14 күн бұрын

If your focus is profit, it is absolutely not worth paying the wages as you can cash in on the short term gains, then bail out and let the country eat the cost of the issues. This is how corporations have worked for decades, strategically designed to screw Americans while benefiting a select amount of execs and specific shareholders. You don’t get to stay in the 1% by having morals or ethics, after all.

Yes! We want the Space X video Simon!

@CuriousJ21

14 күн бұрын

listen to him fact boy!!

@Travlinmo

14 күн бұрын

I 2nd that request.

@dillonlopez6799

14 күн бұрын

I concur

@stormaggedon87

13 күн бұрын

Biographics about Elon Musk

@BabyMakR

12 күн бұрын

As much as I love whistle boy's videos, there are dozens of KZreadrs dedicated to nothing but space launch videos that would be 100x better than anything Simon would be able to come up with.

Theres no feeling quite like finding another channel that you didnt know about from fact boy out in the wild

@BruceMusto

14 күн бұрын

Yeah, I had no idea either.

@goosenotmaverick1156

14 күн бұрын

Oh yeah I found it a while back, but I definitely found it on accident, as well as "Places" (geographics but Simon instead of that Eric guy that puts me to sleep)

@sagradasinfamilia

14 күн бұрын

I feel flabbergasted everytime I come across a new one hahaha

@StonerSmurfin

14 күн бұрын

Nothing like getting the facts with random rants from the whistle boy on his ever growing number of channels.

@raifsevrence

14 күн бұрын

We're going to wake up one day to find *_every_* channel on youtube is just Simon doing Simon things. Then we're going to find out he was the first born/created/evolved AGI and he's been slowly acclimating us to his presence this whole time.

NASA put speedbump after speedbump in front of SpaceX in order to give Boeing as much of an advantage as they could, and they still failed.

@todortodorov6056

13 күн бұрын

Those speedbumps may have made SpaceX better, as they learned how to deal with resistente and headwind. It made them better and stronger. This reminds me of the US government imposing import taxes and restrictions on Japanese motorbikes in the 80's to protect Harley Davidson. Look where the Japanese motorbike companies are today and where HD is today. Learn from history.

@alexreiz6128

13 күн бұрын

Same SpaceX who got funds from by essentially fraud and now completely dropping ball on Artemis? Same shit as Boeing if not worse

@iggi3985

7 күн бұрын

You have no idea what you’re talking about. This much is clear 🤦🏻‍♂️

@iggi3985

7 күн бұрын

@@todortodorov6056space x has gotten too cocky for its own good. They can’t even successfully launch their empty starship rocket

After what Boeing did to silence their whistleblowers you would think they would have brought their A-game with the Starliner BUT...

@hedlund

14 күн бұрын

Under current company culture this _is_ the A-game.

@mastahc0w

14 күн бұрын

Nah. Usually Govt contracts require the cheapest yet capable product. Corner cutting is expected.

@okankyoto

14 күн бұрын

They did. These issues also were faced on Crew Dragon, SpaceX did not announce it but its in the public documentation.

@bryanmccarthy6493

14 күн бұрын

This happened well before Boeing started suiciding thier whistleblowers.

@andrewtaylor940

14 күн бұрын

Here’s the problem. And it’s the same problem with Boeings KC-46 Aerial Tanker program for the Air Force. Awhile back, after years of massive cost overruns in defense and aerospace programs Congress dropped the hammer. Contracts would be issued as fixed cost contracts. That means you the vendor WILL deliver the contracted product at the price you quoted. And you the contractor will eat the overruns (with a handful,of exceptions). Boeing being Boeing just assumed this was normal political theater. And surely nobody would hold them to this. Because that’s just not how these things work. So they got the Starliner contract. At twice what SpaceX got. They got the KC-46, beating out Airbus. And Boeing being Boeing, the contracted money ran out years ago. But suddenly the Fed’s aren’t just giving them more. Boeing has to fund the extra testing, the R&D, everything, to get these projects to completion. Boeing execs don’t like this. So they are trying to spend the absolute minimum they can to just fulfill the contracts hanging over their heads, while not triggering the massive penalties for failure to deliver. The KC-46 is a great example. It’s the replacement to the aging KC-135. Which is a 707 airframe with a tanker conversion. The KC-46 is just a 767 with a tanker conversion. They’ve been working on this for 10 years. It should have taken them 2. Starliner same deal. At this point the Boeing CEO knows Starliner is a failed program. It’s dead as soon as this capsule lands. But so long as the ship meets all of the contract requirements and is certified, they don’t care if NASA buys more. A safe landing is just to avoid massive penalties and their stock cratering.

Minor nits and extra details. It's United Launch Alliance (ULA) not United Rocket Alliance (3:57). Also, it's a fixed price contract, so they were not give $4.2 billion on day one. They get 'small' payments as they achieve goals. They have still not finished and gotten all the money. Boeing says they have spent more, but Boeing has to pay that (not the government). SpaceX was awarded $2.6 billion (same deal). The contract also includes 6 flights to the ISS. The idea being they will alternate with Dragon which has already complete all 6 of their original contract and NASA has purchased more. With the ISS being scheduled to be shutdown in 2030 (6 years from now) and there being two crew flights per year (one each for Boeing and SpaceX), Boeing will be lucky to complete it's 6 flights prior to the ISS going away. The Boeing capsule has also only been certified to fly on the Atlas 5 rocket.... that is no longer being made. They have reserved enough rockets to complete the 6 flights, but would need to re-certify on another rocket to do more.

@pseudotasuki

13 күн бұрын

Atlas V is technically still being made, but all remaining launches have already been purchased.

@tma2001

13 күн бұрын

major facepalm wtf in the first minute of the video - stock footage of Saturn V!

@PetesGuide

13 күн бұрын

@@tma2001plus lots of other strange descriptions of things that most space commentators don’t get wrong that badly.

@pfolv

13 күн бұрын

@@tma2001 And the opening shot is of Vulcan and not Atlas V!!!

@BabyMakR

12 күн бұрын

And they will lose billions on that fixed price contract even though SpaceX got half the money and still managed to make money. This is what happens when your company gets taken over by McDonald Douglas.

"Spicy coincidence" Love that quip.

@verypleasantguy

14 күн бұрын

Curry flavored Titanium, *_super yummy_*_ !_

How it went wrong? It's Boeing.

@goosenotmaverick1156

14 күн бұрын

Right? "Boeing, nuff said, yes?" 😂

@BabyMakR

12 күн бұрын

No. It's McDonald Douglas. Their take over of Boeing is what caused this issue.

@PTurbo86

12 күн бұрын

@@BabyMakR Is Boeing not the surviving company of that merger? Also, I don't have any true disdain for Boeing. In fact, I like quite a lot of their products and legendary products over the years. However, their recent mismanagement by EXECUTIVES does sully the brand name Boeing, regardless of your feelings. Their placing of bottom lines and profit above QC and safety, well... If you're gonna side with Boeing executives on that....

@BabyMakR

12 күн бұрын

@@PTurbo86 The Name of the company survived, but the MD management, who had just finished running their own company into the ground, took control of Boeing and got to work diving Boeing into the ground.

State of Boeing planes at the moment I wouldn't want to be in space.....

Make the Boeing C-suite as part of the Starliner cargo during testing, and I'm pretty sure the shortcuts/bad quality will disappear pretty quickly...

@Drahko12

14 күн бұрын

💯

If they have to bring the astronauts back with a Crew Dragon, well, that will just never get old.

One major fact that was forgotten is that ULA is no longer building the Atlas V rockets that Starliner needs. Tory Bruno has stated multiple times that Vulcan which replaced Atlas will not get human rated. They have 6 booster for Starliner and that's basically it. Also on this test flight the toilet wasn't working either.

Yes, would love to see an episode on the Dragon! Really the entire SpaceX rocket line would be great too

I didn’t even know this channel existed, but seeing “___graphics” I immediately knew it was part of the Whistlerverse

I want Airbus to join the space race!

@ProductionsApollo69

14 күн бұрын

Airbus is in the game!!They are building the so called European service module a part of NASA's Orion lunar Crewed capsule,that is going to fly people to the moon next year.

@clownbasher2911

14 күн бұрын

@@ProductionsApollo69 Thanks i wil google!😋

@pseudotasuki

13 күн бұрын

They own a sizeable chunk of Arianespace, which just completed the first launch of its new rocket yesterday. It had some issues.

@BabyMakR

12 күн бұрын

They already are. May want to expand your horizons a bit.

Great video, Simon, thank you! Just FYI @3:58 the joint venture between Boeing and Lockheed is called United *Launch* Alliance.

@benjaminhill9626

14 күн бұрын

Got a brother who works for them Fyi:You beat me to correcting him too lmao!

8 days have turned into 4 weeks realllllll quick

@yourhandlehere1

14 күн бұрын

They just need to flatten the curve...

@todortodorov6056

13 күн бұрын

Look at the bright side; the astronauts don't have to pay extra for the stay and for the food and drinks. It is provided to them free of charge, curtesy of NASA.

Just today another Boeing plane lost a wheel during take off 😂

@todortodorov6056

13 күн бұрын

No. To spin it a little around; This was a gift from a Boeing plane to the airport as thanks for the good services that the airport provided.

@alanbreeze4731

12 күн бұрын

Be fair , that's a maintenance issue...nothing to do with Boeing

I would definitely love a deep dive into SpaceX crew dragon, especially like this one, it was very informative, thank you.

If I were an astronaut, I'd seriously consider wild coyote ACME rockets before Boeing.

Boeing needs to fire its entire C-Suite and non engineer middle management and hire actual fucking engineers to run the company again. In the mean time any money that would go to the Starliner needs to go to the Dragon capsule so they can build a fleet of a proven system. Regardless of how you feel about Elon, at least his rockets and space capsule actually fucking work.

DreamChaser Vid Please!!!

The single most significant thing that Starliner has demonstrated is the superiority of SpaceX’s Dragon.

Dragon capsule vid please Simon!!!

@alar4388

14 күн бұрын

Yes, Dragon next.

@mypinkbunny

14 күн бұрын

yes and one on starship

interesting how in the opening it was first a ULA Vulcan and then the Saturn 5 while Simon was talking about a atlas 5....

'Spicy coincidence' will become a permanent fixture of my vocabulary.

Well stated. Lots of kudos to the script team for keeping the tone even handed, which frankly I could NOT have managed. If Boeing gets its act together (or should I say, if its board of directors gets their collective heads out of their butts), perhaps Starliner will achieve its ambitions. I do hope so. Just as you say, such success would be a win for EVERYONE. Even Musk wins, because stronger competition means he has to stop diddling Twitter and get back to Space X. I will say that the design makes sense - they're clearly going back to the Apollo crew module in certain ways, and I can't say I blame them for not spending time on aesthetics. I really believe the designers and engineers have worked hard and honestly. It's just their bosses that've screwed things up over and over.

The opening is throwing me off when the video is showing both a Vulcan and a Saturn rocket, while the narration accurately says it was an Atlas V. It's "United LAUNCH Alliance (ULA)", not "Rocket". Also on that note, while the Atlas V is currently run by ULA, which was formed (due to a complicated legal mess, to put it mildly) by merging the launch divisions of Boeing and Lockheed Martin, the Atlas V was developed by LM prior to the merger and was NOT a joint venture. Boeing's rocket was the Delta IV family. Sidenote that as of the merger the Atlas III and Delta II rockets were also contributed to ULA by their respective parent companies.

@pseudotasuki

13 күн бұрын

For anyone wondering about the lack of Atlas IV and Delta III… the former doesn't exist, and the latter was a massive failure.

@firefly4f4

13 күн бұрын

@@pseudotasuki I'll add on both yours and my points that the Delta II & III rockets were actually both by McDonnell Douglas, with the III's launch failures (and TBF one success) occurring during the merger period of MD & Boeing*. I could wrong, but I believe the Delta IV family was a Boeing design from after the merger that did pick up the 2nd stage design from the Delta III. * I know it's usually called a purchase/acquisition, but really current Boeing culture is more akin to the MD's pre-merger practices than Boeing's so I'm being nice and calling it a merger rather than the more unfriendly MD buying Boeing using Boeing's money.

@pseudotasuki

13 күн бұрын

@@firefly4f4 All true! Further evidence that MD is the cause of Boeing's present-day issues.

The Starliner is intended to be reusable, like Dragon. Unlike Dragon, some of the vital hardware is located in its disposable service module (the Dragon has a cheap, disposable trunk for carrying cargo). This might be the result of engineering compromises, but it's a ridiculous waste of money to manufacture.

It should really be noted that Crew Dragon also suffered similar leaks and thruster failures during its demo missions. They are mentioned in the post flight info but SpaceX doesn't do press conferences about them. This is why NASA isn't very concerned- they expected this to happen on most demo flights and similar issues will probably arise with DreamChaser in the near future. The more data they gather in orbit, the better the next SM will be. Especially since they've reactivate all but 1 (out of 28) thrusters that failed off because the redline was set too low. Now that they've recalibrated, it all works as advertised. Its kind of sad how the media has leapt on this in it a unusual way trying to claim the astronauts are "stranded" when they just haven't decided on a return date yet and done the checklist. (This is why its cleared for emergency return)

**CORRECTION: Boeing and Lockheed’s joint venture is United LAUNCH Alliance (ULA), not United Rocket Alliance…

Commenting for the algo. This channel should have 10x more subs

Perfect reference calling it a “common core” rocket in a video about starliner. Yes I know atlas isn’t Boeing… that’s the only reason it works.

And waiting in the wings is the Sierra Space Dream Chaser. If their robotic supply missions are successful, NASA might consider funding a crewed version after all.

Boeing has become a cautionary tale of a once highly respected aerospace giant that handed control over from engineers and QC specialists to accountants and stock holders.

I hope Simon doesn't suicide himself after this video about another faulty Boeing disaster failure project

@alar4388

14 күн бұрын

No, the news will be something like: KZreadr killed by his cat in a hotel owened by a Boeing manager, police officeres are baffled by the fact that the youtuber didn't actually have a cat and the message found near him: "Boeing did this as retribution for my video on Starliner" written in blood, no one understands however how such a tragic accident could have happened, the investigation ends there as there are no further leads. Just a dark joke Simon, please don't do a channel about me :)

@ald1144

13 күн бұрын

If the Saudis don't get him first.

Im surprised Dragon hasn’t gotten its own video

At this point, I'm not getting on anything named Boeing.

Thank you and your writers for their tireless work. I appreciate you all

As usual, great video and humor, Simon!😂

honestly i'm just amazed they got 2 Astronauts to consent to riding it. you don't really expect those kinds of people to get in a dodgy themepark ride with questionable safety ratings xD

I’m sure they’ll get it right in 50 years with the Starliner MAX.

Simon, my man. How many channels have you got!? 😂 I remember watching your content on TopTenz years ago ❤️

I think this is the only accurate video I've seen on the Crew Flight Test for Starliner! I was so excited to see this script! Yes, the astronauts are safe. They will remain safe on ISS while Starliner is tested and data is gathered. The Starliner is GO for emergency undock if needed.

There are a couple errors with this video. Though, pointing them out seems a little redundant after the fact, especially when other commenters are jumping on it. What I would like to do is offer to quality control the videos before release. What do you think Simon?

This channel is soooo underrated! I know Simon is a busy guy but damn I wish videos would come out more often than they currently do.

I like how Space Brothers was taking inspiration from those events...

I dont think you put enough emphasis on just how delayed the return flight is while boeing and NASA continue to declare it perfectly safe. Of course, depending on the turnaround rime from writing to release maybe that was unknown.

It has just been delyaed until atleast august before the next try to get Starlanier home. Im quite sure that Starliner will return without human cargo. Starliner is a perfect case of what issues there is inside the Boeing company.

Another brilliant episode of Astrographics, one may even say a bit spicy! So, Simon, where's our map of the known cosmos? Inquiring minds would like to know? Fill us in on the Bootes Void and the Laniakea Supercluster, - tell us why we keep getting science headlines about the Local Group being in a void, and what's going on with the Big Ring? Where are we in all of this?

Even with SpaceX's development problems, it's amazing that they've left Boeing in the dust regarding reliability with their Dragon. I wonder if it's more than just management issues at Boeing but a fundamental naiveté with spacecraft design at Boeing that somehow SpaceX was able to sidestep in a quicker fashion.

I peed mysel when I realized the photo of the Starliner has a door open.

@davescott7680

14 күн бұрын

That's the docking port cover. And probably a render Real one probably fell off. 😄

Airbus is making the propulsion system for the orion module for the artemis missions. I thought I'd mention it because that and starliner are incredibly similar, but Orion is designed to go deeper in space whereas starliner to LEO and the ISS.

I hope they made doors better for this one...

The video I was waiting for

There is no competition between Boeing and SpaceX in the space capsule market. Star liner uses a dead end tech with a dead end launch vehicle.

🎵A three hour tour, a three hour tour🎵 Did anyone else notice the Astronauts are Butch and Sun(dance)ny?

Amazing channel

I still want to see them build Farscape One… I mean, Dream Chaser!!

Boeing has really fallen hard from grace...

@Makem12

14 күн бұрын

I don't know how they keep getting defense contracts with their recent track record.

@johngalt2506

14 күн бұрын

If its a Boeing I ain't going 😅

@worldwanderer91

14 күн бұрын

Are you asking to be suicided? Because that's how you get suicided

@Shoelessjoe78

14 күн бұрын

​​@@Makem12Unfortunately everything's been condensed so there are very few alternatives. Feel like a few months ago one of those other channels did a piece on that. Without competition sloth and greed are allowed to creap in to all sectors.

Opened this video out of curiosity, and had to check the channel name when I heard Fact Boy's voice. OK, found another Whistler channel!

Knowing Simon's upload schedule, or lack thereof, I doubt he knew when he recorded this that the Starliner would still be up there a month after launch. It might be another month before they attempt to return. What a mess to be a Boeing employee right now.

My cousin is a QC inspector for Boeing. If you knew him like I do, you'd avoid flying on a plane manufactured by this company from then on. I wouldn't let that guy perform a QC inspection on a claw hammer.

eh.... this video might be a little early, but now they can't get it back...

That was a Saturn 5 Moon rocket liftoff.

Starliner: *chirp!* Boeing engineers: "Sheeeeiit..."

It isn't Boeing's time any longer.

Predicting this to be the most popular vid on the channel yet.

Boeing went from being sigma to being a risk

@mattsparling9843

14 күн бұрын

I work in the Aerospace industry and would a broomstick if it got me into space! I'd not ride Boeing.

@verypleasantguy

14 күн бұрын

Ash to ash, dust to dust ...

The shaking and swaying pictures are annoying.

Would really like an episode on the space X design.

Another problem for them is unless it also flies on top of an F9 or New Glenn, there is pretty much no way it can approach cost competitiveness any time soon.

Yes please, do the dragon side of the coin for comparison.

Yes please for crew dragon video

Starliner can’t and isn’t leading the way. SpaceX is on that one

Yes, a Dragon deep dive would be welcome.

By now YT is 10% Simon Whistler.

Another one of those space capshools.

Too bad there's no stock footage of an Atlas V launching.

Lots of people in these comments gonna be disappearing when Boeing hears about this.

Starship, if it works as Elon envisions, will render everything else obsolete.

Yes please on other vid

The starliner has now been stuck in space, attached to the ISS, for 35 days and expected to be stuck for weeks more….Seriously at this point NASA needs to admit it’ll never be in shape to finish the trip.

Another good quality video. You need to advertise this channel on your other channels so the subscriber counts pick up. The content is very good and very interesting! Spread the word!

Only the super rich can afford a seat in the Starliner.

I was offended when Simon said SpaceX offered a 'crude' modification of its Dragon capsule until I realized he was sailing 'crewed'. Captions have a bit of a problem with homonyms. And, yes, do a history of the Dragon capsule.

@rogerk6180

3 күн бұрын

Why be offended? Did you design the thing?

Starliner can easly get down from the iss. There resson there not going down is that there is an issue on the service module which is the part that decouples from the capsule and burns up in the atmosphere, they want to take the opertinity to find out whats casing the issue so when the service module burns up, they know whats to do on the next flight

I don’t think anything is necessarily wrong with Boeing …it’s business as usual for them with their space program….its just that now there is another organization that operates effectively and efficiently and everyone is comparing the two

Bruh why do you have stock footage of a saturn-V rather then the actual Vulcan launch that launched Starliner? It's not particularly difficult to find.

More information on the dragon capsule would be cooll

12:11 Not smoke. That was the actual propellant, which is *extremely* toxic. It was yet another valve issue.

It saddens me to say this, but the Boeing Starliner reminds me of the ED-209 from the RoboCop movie.

@MLennholm

14 күн бұрын

"I had a guaranteed military sale... Who cares if it worked or not?"

@kennethng8346

14 күн бұрын

@@MLennholm Upgrades, training, spare parts, who cares if it works or not. 🙂

Why are you showing footage of Vulcan (ULA's new rocket) and Saturn V(!)? It's easy to find footage of the Atlas V/Starliner launch.

Two words that Boeing is run just like Gub-Mint!

All that fancy tech. Elon made a steel tube and its done like 100 missions.

yes stalliner

This effin guy is the we’ve been trying to reach you about your car’s extended warranty of KZread.

Americans: CAP-SILL British: CAP-SHOOYULE

@NavyVet4955

13 күн бұрын

Sean Connery was the voice that popped into my head reading that 😂.