Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to shuffeliiiiing.

@ericcouch

Жыл бұрын

Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory.

@Teachermook

Жыл бұрын

Understand the Force of Will, you do.

My favorite quote was at @23:55 - it’s a slam dunk for people who want a short, rules-light, easy-to-get-into game…in a small compact box

@Teachermook

Жыл бұрын

It's the Yoda of deck builders. Small but awesome.

Deck building is one of my favorite mechanics. I own and have played a decent amount of them. By far this is my favorite 1v1 deck builder. And the IP is definitely a plus for me. And another plus, the store where I bought it gave me a free pack of star wars themed sleeves and these where for anyone who buys the game. And the pack says that is not for sale on the back, so keep an aye for it in your local store.

I like it a lot. I prefer it over Star realms because of the richer theme and choosing the right base for the right occasion. Its easy and quick to get to the table, and that's something I appreciate more these days.

@ryanh7844

Жыл бұрын

The richer theme is a matter of opinion though. Sure if you love Star Wars this is an easy buy. Star Realms on the other hand has 4 base factions and 4 new factions in Rise of Empire. Along with event cards, gambit cards, command packs, dual faction cards, etc. Tons and tons of variety and innovative cards in Star Realms which have brought the game a long way.

@DaveHaenze

10 ай бұрын

@@ryanh7844 At this point though I'd only compare base set to base set. Star Realms has been out for so many more years, I'm sure FFG will also add content to SWDG if it's successful.

@5ammy13

8 ай бұрын

I prefer Shards of Infinity over Star or Hero Realms. But I got this one for a quick Star Wars game as I'm a fan of the IP 😊

@WideMouth

7 ай бұрын

Richer theme? How are four bland off-brand 40k factions a richer theme than the most popular sci-fi universe?

Small note - galaxy row (card market) is 6 cards 😉

it's a great game. Easily accessible, quick setup, not component heavy, adjustable game length with number of bases, great decision making and great theme/presentation. Agree 5 damage marker or damage slots on the planet cards would be nice. Also a 2v2 with one box would have been a nice consideration.

We play at lunch in the office and I really like it! I did notice other than IG88, there are no droids at all. I assume if there is an expansion, it may include astromech droids to repair capital ships or protocol droids to negotiate lower purchase costs of cards in the galaxy row.

Rules correction: the force starts out at max rebel.

I'm looking forward to trying this one. I played a good amount of both Star Realms and Ascension, but only using the apps. The only 1v1 deck builders I've owned / played are Hogwarts Battles and sort of related Radlands. I feel I've seen what Star Realms has to offer so I think this is just a better way to get something same but different in mechanisms plus a theme that I would enjoy more. And right on Roy - core trilogy Star Wars is the stuff.

Tough one for me. It looks interesting and different enough to maybe REPLACE an existing game (Star Realms?) but I’m over the need to buy EVERY game that comes along. I’ve gone to that dark side of the hobby and come out a “player” and not a “collector”. 😜 I’m rather picky about new games now. I have so many deck building games that I’m good with what I have. I’d get it as a gift for a Star Wars fan if I catch it on sale for about $10-$15. 🤷🏻‍♂️

My favourite deckbuilding game is Shards of Infinity. But I still got this one for a quick, Star Wars themed game. I don't regret the purchase at all as this works more as a filler rather than a serious game.

I played it and liked it pretty well on the first play. It has potential. It doesn’t replace Star Realms as it’s still different enough. This only plays 2 and it’s heavily faction based (only can buy Your cards or neutral cards), while Star Realms has 4 and up to 6 players. Once Star Wars gets some expansions under its belt, the balance will change dramatically. I’d like to see character packs like Hero Realms did, but these can be Jedi/Sith, Commander, Saboteur, Ace, Politician, and Smuggler. I also look forward to the solo/co-op opportunities or Boss battles. Jabba could be a great boss or any from crime faction from Tatooine, the Grand Admiral Thrawn, to assaulting the Sith Castle on Mustafar or the temple on Exegol. There could even be Imperial adventures like infiltrating the Temple base on Yavin 4. Bring all that and I’ll forget to dust the shelf that holds Star Realms and Hero Realms. Until then, I’ll enjoy Star Wars for what it is. Fun.😎

Chris, if you read this, over the last few years, Disney has dismantled licenses for broad categories of games. So there wouldn't be a licenses for "Star Wars miniature games," for example. Instead, Disney now licenses every game on a per game basis: each game is pitched to their licensing department as its own project and multiple publishers could theoretically end up competing if Disney approved similar games. The most high profile example of this was when they terminated Electronic Arts' exclusive license to make Star Wars video games, after which multiple publishers announced video game projects using that IP.

@DTChrisYi

Жыл бұрын

This makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the info! Was this around the same time 1313 got scrapped?

@maxducoudray

Жыл бұрын

@@DTChrisYi I don’t 100% know the timing. I read about it at the time they bought Fox and started selling off all of the Fox-owned video game studios. Part of the same policy overhaul was that Disney wouldn’t make games in-house, and only license them. It was a complete revamp of their licensing methods.

@tylerhansen8391

Жыл бұрын

@@DTChrisYi 1313 was scrapped around when Disney bought Star Wars because they closed Lucas Arts and gave EA the exclusive license on Star Wars video games that lasted until somewhat recently.

Great review guys.

Great review thank you, I really am enjoying SW unlimited as well. Given yall enjoyed the starter decks so much, highly recommend you pickup a precon box (comes with 4 decks) of Sorcery TCG. It's hands down my most favorite new TCG in the last few years. All art is hand drawn and the grid mechanic really adds to the feeling that you are a sorcerer commanding your minions, chucking fireballs at your opponent etc. I'd love if Dice Tower tried the game out and gave it a review!

Sounds really fun 😀👍 Thanks for your review ❤️

I think it's a great Gateway game to get people into boardgaming. Introduces deckbuilding in a nice easy way but with extra bells and whistles; it's highly interactive, with several strategic decisions to make at each point (without overwhelming a new gamer). And it implements a beloved IP in a wonderful way (the art, using the force, faction-specific cards, neutral cards, secret bases with fun abilities). Tbh I worry that if I introduce this to a new gamer, they will be completely underwhelmed by some older deckbuilders. I like that the cast is from the Original Trilogy and Rogue one, the 4 best movies in the whole series imo. Also, it has set a great foundation for expansions with deeper mechanisms... and of course characters (I want Wicket, Yoda and the Emperor... in that order lol!). But it still doesn't beat my GOAT deckbuiler ... Rune Age with its essential expansion. (Criminal that it only had one!)

Oh, waited for it! Thank You!

Great review

I actually think we may not get expansions. FFG is making a big deal of "Star Wars Unlimited" which is a Magic-style TCG coming up soon, and I suspect they'll want to avoid the confusion of two active card systems. And obviously, why sell one-time expansions when you can sell "Unlimited" booster packs... Still! As it is this is a neat little package, and like the guys said, probably the most accessible FFG Star Wars game yet to play with fans wo may not be heavily into board games.

Need to get this game. The video colours seem muted.

I think Tom sums it up perfectly as an "A.I designed game." This just takes rules from various other deck builders and throws them into one package with a star wars skin. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but as a seasoned board gamer, it makes it hard to get excited about this one.

@mrblitzer8705

Жыл бұрын

Thank for summing up my feelings so succinctly. It's not malice, just vague disappointment at the total lack of creativity.

Chris- apologies but when my 3.5-year old daughter asked what your name was and pointed to you, I couldn't remember. So she said "let's call him Kerdabbo". So there you go Kerdabbo Yi

@DTChrisYi

Жыл бұрын

No need to apologize for the coolest nickname I've ever gotten!

@violentfrog_

Жыл бұрын

​@@DTChrisYithats a star wars name if i ever heard one

@trullum

Жыл бұрын

@@DTChrisYi haha great! And you convinced me to grab BGStats and I'm loving that, so thank you

This will probably go onto my “impulse buy when we’re two players” list. Thanks for the review, after Elder Sign X-Men I did not have super high hopes for it. :D

It most closely resembles shards of infinity, which is surprising to me that none of you mentioned that.

@KristoVaher

Жыл бұрын

How though? Shards of Infinity has symmetric sides and cards, except for single ability. They only really share "deckbuilder" as mechanism.

@ConeDefense

Жыл бұрын

People are too focused on the Star Realms comparison, but I think Shards is the closer game.

@KristoVaher

Жыл бұрын

@@ConeDefense How though? I have Shards and I find them quite different. Shards has so much that is very different from here: how attack/defense works, how the power resource works etc. It has more similarities with Star Realms simply because that one is more basic.

@xCriticalStrikex

Жыл бұрын

@@KristoVaher Specifally the cards being duel purpose with the mercanary mecahnic. You can aquire the card, or you can pay the cost for an instant use. Alll star wars does is take that mecahnic and makes the cards one or the other depending on faction. It is essentially the same as combining monster cards and purchasable cards from the creators original game Ascension (what star realms copied off but changes the victory to elimination rather than points.) Which is why I make the comparison to shards/acesnsion rather than star realms, which I think is a comparsion only being made because more people know of it and it is another sci fi deck builder with space ships.

I’m figuring who made the noise at the last second of the vid. Is that a reference to Jar Jar? Haha🤣

That settles it. I am getting a copy. I am curious if you guys tried the 4 player variant by using 2 copies of the game.

Just to be clear, the force starts in the rebel side in the beginning of the game?

@mikehulsebus

Жыл бұрын

Yes

Dominion, for 2, with a theme we love. It’s been a hit at my place.

I agree with Zee. The market tailored to one faction at the beginning of game. I had no attack to remove them. It was all Empire cards. That game was horrible for me. Otherwise I think the game is fine.

@zdelorean88

Жыл бұрын

I purposely kept the market clogged up with my cards while I was able to thin my deck down in my first few turns before the market became my ally. It was not a fun game for my opponent as they could not deal with taking out a couple Star Destroyers and Grand Moff Tarkin so early in the game.

@xtomvideo

Жыл бұрын

The empires strength seems to be discarding/controling the galaxy row. Whilst the rebels discard empire players hand so it kind of balances asymmetrically and is thematic.

21:15 so all the same complaints Star Realms' Colony Wars set had?

Did you have a look at Gosu X? It's amazing, we talk a lot about it in france, along radlands, mindbug and Pagan as the great 2 player games out this year.

@KristoVaher

Жыл бұрын

Gosu X is the thing to look at. Polished re-release of an older game that's also quite unique.

@chaps357

Жыл бұрын

@@KristoVaher Yes and having played it, it's much more than a re-release! You really get some deep TCG feel, with the draft and all the combos, within an all in one package.

No Palpatine or Obi-Wan is super weird, but other than that it's a great game. I hope we get a Prequel Era expansion at some point. I wanna rip people up with Grievous and Cad Bane!

It is definitely a little too much like Star Realms for me. I am a seasoned star wars LCG and CCG player so that is what I am still hoping for from them. Another version of one of those. The base system is taken from Game of thrones LCG where you each select your next location to give you gold and other bonuses. So they are just reusing their own rules. So they didn't really create anything new at all. But I will say there is a little fun to be had here. But if you have Star Realms, it probably isn't worth it. Keep up the good work Dice Tower!

I think we need to talk about how this game is an instant cash cow for FFG. I promise I will buy every expansion pack for this game as I have done with Star Realms. It has my seal of approval (for what it's worth) lol.

Like a mix of Argent Saga and Star Realms. Seems like it's okay slapped with Star Wars. I'm sure it will sell out.

This seems a lot like star realms

Was trying to resist, because I have so many Star Wars games and so many deck building games, but I love Star Wars so much that I’m pretty sure I’ll crack, especially since it’s been well reviewed.

@TorIverWilhelmsen

Жыл бұрын

Yes, there seems to be a Star Wars replacement for quite a lot. This instead of Star Realms. Outer Rim instead of Xia. Jabba's Palace instead of Love Letter. Star Wars Monopoly. Star Wars Carcassonne. Probably others I have forgotten.

I've seen people wondering when they're going to add an expansion so 4 people can play, and that line of thought baffles me. There seems to be a lot of attacking resources here, so you're either going to end up with: a game where the correct play is to blast one opponent into the Stone Age so it's a 2v1; a game where players on a team are just alternating who's in control of everything or divvying up responsibilities (which is just BEGGING for alpha player syndrome); or you're basically playing two separate games next to each other... which you can already do.

I think a more stripped down, simplified deck builder is a real perk. I disagree with Zee saying something like this sounded boring. There aren’t a lot of good introductory deck builders out there that play in 30-45 minutes. My one complaint is that there’s not a lot of cards in the box. When I first picked it up, I was surprised how light the box was compared to other deckbuilders that have a ton of cards. Perks for this one are being able to attack enemy cards, the force track tug of war, and choosing your base (which is pretty thematic as well).

Best review dynamic I've ever seen

From what I can see, and having read the rulebook, I don't see how you recover from a Galaxy Row blocked by all expensive cards, or a Galaxy Row that, through bad luck or shuffling, only has cards of one sides appearing.

@nikolavrbanic647

Жыл бұрын

You can house rule the maximum number of same faction cards in the row. If another one gets drawn of the same faction you can either discard it or have the person whos faction is choose to discard or replace it with another already in the row. It also seems to me that this is only the problem at the inital draw, so maybe they could have an initial deck for the galaxy row for the first 10-15 cards, then switch to the main deck.

surprised this didnt get higher scores

See what happened when they release the next few expansion

In too many games the entire galaxy row has been blue. Leaving the rebels unable to play. I really want a way to deal with enemy capital ships In The centre, last time I was imperial we had 4 blue ships and 2 strong units. And the rebels could do anything.

@julyie9804

11 ай бұрын

The exact same thing happened to me on my first game...

I'm really glad I added this one to my collection. It's not the most innovative or complex deck-builder. But, I can play several games in one sitting. My biggest complaint is that there aren't as many deckbuilding strategies; you're just doing the best with what you're offered. Hopefully an expansion will bring new ways of seizing power and making interesting, thematic decks.

This looks OK. I miss the old Fantasy Frump Games when they had a massive catalog of games from different IP's. Now it's pretty much Star Wars & Lord of the Rings.

This made me realize that you guys never reviewed star wars villainous. It's SO much better than Disney or marvel in my opinion, and you've reviewed everything else villainous.

@thedicetower

Жыл бұрын

Ah, quick review - I didn't like it at all. It took a fun little game and made it super complex.

What annoys me most about this, is that the Empire isn't red

Play 4 Bases after your first play through.

Is this a replacement for Rebellion? In terms of table space and time, will this scratch a similar itch?

@jz1552

Жыл бұрын

I have not played this (got it on order), but I feel confident in saying NO....as these are vastly dissimilar games.

@JL-ku7wo

Жыл бұрын

This appears to be a stormtrooper level game. Rebellion is Emperor level game.

I think the 2 factions are not well balanced. You have to stick with your faction's strategy or else you will lose, so it takes out a big part of fun for me to try new strategies each time. Not a lot of interesting combos. And the possibility of a one sided galaxy row (which happened on my very first game) is a big flaw for me. I will stick with Star Realms which is 10 times better in my opinion! I often agree with you guys, but not this time.

Thank God I already knew the rules, because that was almost impossible to follow. Seems like no planning went into that presentation.

So this isn't a LCG? For a FF game, do you see an improvement in anyway from FF Marvel LCG or Lord of the rings LCG?

@daedalus25

Жыл бұрын

FFG already had a Star Wars LCG. This is a deckbuilding game, so it's not really comparable to Marvel LCG or LotR LCG.

@momozatheone3650

Жыл бұрын

@@daedalus25 I see. Hmm interesting, thanks :)

@ConeDefense

Жыл бұрын

Id argue this isn’t meant to compete with those games either. It’d be like comparing Ascension to the LCG games. This will be more like Shards, Star Realms, Ascension and Thunderstone. That said, it’s a logical question since most of their investment has been in LCGs.

The expansions will make this game shine.

@joeferreti9442

Жыл бұрын

The expansions will make it expensive, but probably not shine.

I'll get it. No brainer there. I like Star realms and this is Star Wars. Too easy.

I've played this a number of times now and found the game to be very imbalanced in favour of the Rebels. Many of their cards have an ability to force the Empire to discard cards. The Empire don't have that ability. They're ability is merely to discard cards from the Galaxy Row, which can help the Rebels if a good and affordable card replaces it. As a result you end up playing most turns with 4 cards and very little hitting power in return. This needs addressing if expansions are released. We've played 7 games and the Rebels have won 6 times no matter who plays as which side. Maybe it's just the luck of the Galaxy Row. I played a game just now as Empire and just about every card that came out in the Galaxy Row was a resource card and not an attack card. It took me 2 or 3 rounds to amass any kind of decent attack power. In the meantime my opponent were forcing me to discard cards, draw cards to the top of their deck, draw more cards then attack the hell out of me. I'd give this a 6/10 due to all of the above. Oh, and the Force starts all the way with them too. Lucky Empire, you get to go first, again massively imbalancing and giving Rebels an advantage before the game begins.

@helengeary7054

6 ай бұрын

well here its the other way around with the imperials strong ,exiling cards is available for both sides ,if you bloat the deck you lose either way!! Capital ships are key with main characters and exile cards and combat modifier cards

I enjoy this game but I feel like your decks get easily bloated. Sure there are some exile cards but they only help to an extent. Still a good game that I’ll probably buy the expansion for.

@helengeary7054

6 ай бұрын

Bro they will only get bloated if you buy dem cards ,spend only only on capital ships , the main characters and top end and some of the big hitters and damage repair exiles ,plus keep the standard exile cards filtering thru

As both an avid gamer and an avid Star Wars fan, the last Star Wars game I purchased was Outer Rim. IMO, everything since then has been essentially just reskins of previous games, with this an inferior reskin of Star Wars: The Card Game (which I already own and like) with a Star Realms/Legendary mechanic, and Legion a far more expensive (money pit) and larger table hog, reskin of Imperial Assault.

Who else got triggered from Roy pronouncing "TaNtooine" during the overview?

I am combining Star Realms with this and having elements from one game into the other game. Each game will serve as an expansion for the other. The power levels seem similar between the cards. With the cards sleaved, they can be mixed together. So, I will use Star Realms as a way to expand it.

It's a decent 7 game, but I can't overlook how much of a "copy/paste" game it is and I'd rather play Star Realms over this. The market row can also stagnate quite often where it's all geared to one player and there are some cards that are so powerful they pretty much end the game. Get Vader and Tarkin in the same hand and you will just obliterate the enemy. Seal of excellence by half a mark!

Why are rebels on the red side of the force?

Shouldn’t there be six cards on the galaxy row?

Star Wars Love Letter has to be simpler and more portable lol

@chauveet

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, but this game has absolutely nothing to do with love letter style games. You might as well say a standard deck of cards is more portable than Twilight Imporium, therefore it's better.

Weird... I don't like the landscape cards having to be played vertical like that

We liked it a lot to begin with, but after a few games it felt pretty samey. We think it needs an expansion to have more longevity. Feels a bit flat and very iterative (not in the best way).

I rather play Spaceballs: The Deck Building Game

@phunphil00

Жыл бұрын

I would probably wait to buy Spaceballs: The Deck Building Game until they released their expansion, The Quest for More Money.

@chauveet

Жыл бұрын

Spaceballs the lunch box!

@phunphil00

Жыл бұрын

@@chauveet Spaceballs the Flame Thrower!

@JL-ku7wo

Жыл бұрын

“I see your deck is as big as mine, now let’s see how you handle it.”

@whatdoesnt

Жыл бұрын

I always have coffee when I read KZread comments, you know that!

I wasn't expecting good scores on this. I'll probably still stay away from it since it's FFG and I'll have to buy ten expansions to get the full game. But not bad for an AI created game. 😉

Played this 2 weeks ago at a meetup. It's not bad, but it was very much; 'been there, done that', so came off very bland, although I did like the base system.

I played this once and bought it immediately. I have Star Realms, and the new additions to this game make it objectively better than Star Realms

FFG already had two Star Wars card games that they spontaneously stopped supporting (both of which were great). They're not going to get me to invest into a third one. BTW all 3 of their card games are PVP, when many of their fans have been clamoring for a co-op game.

@Poiuytrew.Q

Жыл бұрын

Not co-op is holding me back. I don’t want to play the Empire. At least in Destiny I could be whatever yellow was.

if it was a APP and not a physical product I would buy it for sure

@joeferreti9442

Жыл бұрын

If it's 3€ max, then maybe.

They should have remastered or redone Star Wars Destiny instead.

Wish this was Star Wars Destiny, in cube/set form. Not interested in any new offerings from Fantasy Flight (particularly SWs branded anything) after how they mishandled Star Wars Destiny.

I feel like Roy’s seal of excellence is not super fair just based on his relationship with the designer. The game feels through and through like a “seal of approval” type of game. Above average and good, nothing more

@paltarecords1898

Жыл бұрын

Tom also has relationships with a LOT of developers. Is that an issue for you too?, or is your issue with Roy?

@bigsucculenta1

Жыл бұрын

Tom and Zee gave it an 8. Roy gave it an 8.5…am I missing something here?

@DimeNDice4

Жыл бұрын

At first, I agreed then I thought on this a bit more. Relationships with designers are pretty common for people who attend multiple gaming conventions. It would be really hard for anyone in the reviewing world not to know some game designers. Especially since they have interviewed so many of them over the last decade+. All that being said, that’s why these new types of reviews, with multiple people’s opinions, are so helpful. Among these reviewers, who has the most similar taste to you? For me, it would between Tom and Roy. So, his input was very helpful.

@Poiuytrew.Q

Жыл бұрын

His review might be biased by his connections. But it’s likely more biased by his overwhelming love for space, fantasy, and Star Wars. And his history with Magic? Idk I assume Magic influenced Star Realms?

Phoned in game. The recycled art, the identical mechanics. Come on.

@chauveet

Жыл бұрын

What a spiteful, ignorant comment. Have you played it?

I just dont get it. When a designer ripsoff another game is called out and the game thrown into obscurity. This game is just Star Realms with the force mechanic slapped on. Why there are all these comments everywhere about buying this just for the Star wars IP? This game should not exist if resembles that much a prexisting game and should not be promoted as an alternative just because people like the "theme". This allows big companies such as ffg to rip other games and place their IPs however they like. If Star realms would have come out after this game everyone would have called a ripoff.

@balukawaiirenekton7537

Жыл бұрын

There is enough things here different from star realms. Star realms was just a few small changes from thunder stone.

@evra91

Жыл бұрын

@@balukawaiirenekton7537 everyone has the right to disagree. However i saw the Dice tower review for thunderstone and the differences from it to star realms are far more than star realms to this star wars dbg

@rawkyle9385

Жыл бұрын

I get your point, but reusing game mechanics happens constantly in the board game industry. I haven’t played it yet but it seems they did make some changes to the gameplay of star realms and I’m looking forward to playing it.

@ConeDefense

Жыл бұрын

The force track, the way center cards can be bought, as well as the way cards can be eliminated all make this different enough. If not, we’re getting close to saying you can’t make a center row deck builder in space.

@evra91

Жыл бұрын

@@rawkyle9385 If you like it, more power to you! I just don't like that ffg can slap their IPs in a lazy manner as this.

The one that rated it the highest knows the designer… hmmmm

@thedicetower

Жыл бұрын

Nonsense and Balderdash. I know the designers of MANY of the games I review, has nothing to do with it. Please don't call us liars on our channel.

@chauveet

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, that might have easily just been a small joke.

This is not the deep, thematic, one-box card game with classic Star Wars theme we are looking for. . . . This is just a trashy reskin of "Star Realms" with slight improvements.

@daniellebackus819

Жыл бұрын

Trashy is taking it too far. You can call it a reskin, that’s fair. But it’s not trash.

@joeferreti9442

Жыл бұрын

@@daniellebackus819 There is a difference between trashy and trash. Trashy is a style like a cheap and corny/campy/kitschy version of something or looking as-if it's trash but isn't really trash. (Sorry, can't explain it better, I'm not a native English speaker.)

@Poiuytrew.Q

Жыл бұрын

@@joeferreti9442 I wouldn’t call it trashy either. When someone says trashy I think of something that’s probably not appropriate for a family channel.

I hoped that this was a reboot of the original Star Wars TCG. I think card games are too similar. It is the Magic the Gathering style. A player places resources, makes actions to affect their opponent and repeat. Modern games follow this format. It is overdone and stale. Vampire the Masquerade, 7th Sea and Dune have multiple win strategies. These are excellent examples of creativity in card game design. It comes down to money. This game follows the MTG format. It is reliable. The IP is going to make money. Eh. I am shocked I agree with Zee. We usually are polar opposites on board game opinion. Tic-Tac-Toe is a time investment for him 😁