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Quite funny that various conferacy ships ended up with the rebel alliance. They never stoped fighting against the same people

@multifan75

2 жыл бұрын

True. The Separatists laid some of the groundwork for the Rebel Alliance after the Clone Wars.

@vadernation1233

Жыл бұрын

And they say the CIS lost the war. If anything it was the republic who lost. The droid army may have died before the republic but the CIS continued on well into the empire and what was left of them would go on to become the rebellion.

@andrewhastings8244

4 ай бұрын

If you think about it, the CIS was the prequel version of the rebel alliance, they even have similar looking space ships(it might just be me but a lot of their capital ships look like mon calamari ships with just a more mechanical vibe)

@MariOmor1

4 ай бұрын

@@andrewhastings8244 seeing how their full name is the Confederacy of *Independent Systems* it makes sense, because the Rebels were once called the Alliance of *Free Planets*

A droid brain lends itself better to single-minded aggression than a sapient commander. What a hilarious concept, as though there was anything more aggressive than a destroyer skipper.

@matthewcaughey8898

2 жыл бұрын

Aggression should be tempered with intelligence. That’s a far deadlier combination then a straight up aggro droid brain

@Santisima_Trinidad

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewcaughey8898 feck that, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

@milamberarial

2 жыл бұрын

So, just imagine a destroyer skipper, but now also add in the droid's complete lack of survival instinct for itself or crew. You aren't giving a reason why the droid brain wasn't needed, your showing why they want the droid brain. You know, until they start losing too many ships to overly-aggressive droid brains ramming friendly ships.

@thebigbrzezinski3201

2 жыл бұрын

A sapient skipper would be able to use their life experience and understanding to discern when it's time to hit hard and fast to best survive, and when it's time to sacrifice oneself to achieve a war-shortening objective. He would also be able to reassure his crew that he is capable of making these sorts of choices. With a purpose-built AI calling the shots, their ship might as well be a manned missile from the crew's perspective.

@Santisima_Trinidad

2 жыл бұрын

@@thebigbrzezinski3201 to be fair, I'd trust a purpose built AI as much as an experienced Skipper. Up until that purpose built AI turns around and tells me it was purpose built for controlling a mechanical pidgeon.

It's so ironic that we saw more variation on capital ships in the enemy fleet rather than that of the protagonists in the Clone Wars

@mitwhitgaming7722

2 жыл бұрын

Same can be said for Droid variations.

@Qardo

2 жыл бұрын

It is because the Clone Wars movies and TV series are all Imperial Propaganda. Much like how the Original Trilogy is Rebellion Propaganda. All because you are viewing a conflict mostly from one side of the war. And reason why much of the comics that covered both eras are seen as non-canon. Because they attempt to give a perspective from both sides and try to level the playing field. To show how much the Republic was a lot more evil and willing to go to war. Than, the CIS and other allies that would join. To the Empire being rather justice to a sense and offered stability to worlds that were once nothing but war. Still, Empire is still Evil. All because they enslaved the Wookies...bastards.

@kyle857

2 жыл бұрын

How is it ironic?

@davfree9732

2 жыл бұрын

I'd say it's the difference between the standardization of equipment due to government bureaucracy trying to keep costs down, while enabling their logistics engine to cover the galaxy... and the individual separatist's bringing their own strengths to the table.

@Euripides_Panz

2 жыл бұрын

How so?? The CIS Navy was a coalition of gigacorporate vessels who happened to have a similar trait, they could be largely or entirely crewed by droids. Each member had thousands of their own ships to form the backbone of their combined navy. Additional ship types were commissioned once the CIS was formed. The sum of all these vehicles contrasted with the Republic Navy which had fewer standardized designs in smaller numbers.

I love this ship class. I love the look. I like the idea of a capital ship that really is a threat, but that can be made cheap and fast. I love the hilarious idea that it's Droid brains aren't that smart, so they accidentally ram shit all the time. It's just a great ship.

@yoloman3607

2 жыл бұрын

If a friendly ship is in the way, it means it isn't on a direct course with the enemy and is thus a useless coward.

I’m surprised you didn’t mention that there appears to be 2 versions, the one used numerously in the Battle of Coruscant, and the one used by Grievous as a command ship, which seems to be about twice the size, as it dwarfs the Steadfast, and has a hangar bay

@nicolasheredia956

2 жыл бұрын

They actually are, in the Essential Guide to Warfare the Recusant that Grievous used is more than 2 km in lenght, and is called the Large Variant Recusant-class Light Destroyer

@zakiducky

2 жыл бұрын

The Recusant, Providence, Arquitens, -Imperial III- Xyston… I love how Star Wars keeps creating size inconsistencies with ships and always explains them by ships having large variants of the usual design lol. And that’s before getting into stuff like the Tector.

@thatstarwarsnerd6641

2 жыл бұрын

@@zakiducky I think the Tector makes a lot more sense than just a rescaled ship, as it will still use the same frame and vast majority of parts, as well as being perfectly sized to fit existing infrastructure for ISDs, but when rescaling a ship, you have to redesign basically everything, while all the parts are incompatible, for absolutely no benefit at all

@zakiducky

2 жыл бұрын

@@thatstarwarsnerd6641 Oh I agree there. Stuff like the Tector, Imperial/ Victory/ Acclamator 1 &2 are basically variants or improvements of the same overall frame and hull. It’s similar to the F-35 A, B, & C in the real world, or how with aircraft carriers, improvements are made to later ships of the line based on real world experience of the first. Stuff like that is iterative in the real world and Star Wars, and makes waaaaay more sense than the ships scaled up with almost the exact same hull. But when you do start including all the variant ships like the Tector, Imp 1 & 2, and so on that are created because of inconsistencies in the lore, we start getting more ship types than one person could feasibly keep track of, and that’s just funny to me lolol

I like how the needs and demands of each side reflects their ship making. The Republic was on the back foot and needed to rapidly make ships. They needed to get ships to fill multiple roles and be all around ready for any situation. The CIS had time to build and construct ships to their need before the conflict and have more specialized ships. They didn’t need every ship to do everything well.

@death13a

2 жыл бұрын

CIS wasn't prepared for long war as Republic didn't have serious navy at that time so they make do with what they have to terrorize mostly undefended planets with minimum of starfighters. This ships were not designed to go against Republic's new navy.

I argue to this day that of all faction The CIS had the best designed and most Diverse fleet. Every ship had a job, a strength, a weakness, and all were great designs

Just looking at this ship I can hear Admiral Trench's thoughtful mandible clicking.

@thatstarwarsnerd6641

2 жыл бұрын

Did he ever command one? I thought he just used Providences

@multifan75

Жыл бұрын

@@thatstarwarsnerd6641 No, he only commanded Providences during the war.

According to Labyrinth of Evil, the droid brain isn't a universal feature: some Recusants are fully-automated, others partially-automated, some commanded entirely by biological crew. My guess is that this is some combination of local foundries constructing ships according to available resources, and intended mission profile for the ship in question: direct, aggressive tactics were certainly within the remit of the Recusant, but the Commerce Guild also employed them as punchy raiders and privateers, a role in which more tactical initiative is a valuable trait.

Always loved the aggressive, barracuda-like profile of this design, with the lights dotting the underside. Great video as always!

Gen.grievous "so Kenobi, is everything according to your plan?"

As much as I loved the ship, I wish the Clone Wars series didn't have such a huge version of this ship (the dreadnought version of it) that could pound Venators with ease. They should have just used the Lucrehulks as the giant lumbering warships and heavy hitters (they already had the Malevolence as well). The CIS had way too many big ships when we saw nothing but Venators on the other side. I don't see any harm in Greivous using a Lucrehulk as a command ship to pour starfighters and withering fire against a few Venators. Meanwhile, the smaller Recusants would just be another escort ship to provide backup and more firepower against the Republic.

@thatstarwarsnerd6641

2 жыл бұрын

Or another Providence, as they seem to be purely command ships, and we know they were used as early as the Battle of Christophsis, although it may confuse people when it is destroyed but he still has the Invisible Hand in RotS

@jedimasterpickle3

2 жыл бұрын

...what dreadnought version of the Recusant are you talking about? The Subjugator? The ship we only see for three episodes?

@DIEGhostfish

2 жыл бұрын

@@jedimasterpickle3 No, there's Recusants that are twice the size they were in Ep3 in several bits of TCW, Greivous had one, also Trench's providence is far bigger than Invisible hand. There's also oversized munificents all over.

@starsilverinfinity

2 жыл бұрын

Thing is the Malevolance was lost early and the Lucrehulks are carrier-command ships not battleship-command ship They literally just made the Recusant even bigger cause why not lol, theres also the Providence

@cmedtheuniverseofcmed8775

2 жыл бұрын

@@jedimasterpickle3 ​The big ones that are twice the size of the Venators. The Dreadnought term is meant to be loosely stated since Star Wars has a myriad of terms for ship sizes that's not entirely applied correctly according to certain sizes. I guess for the nitpickers they would be defined as Battlecruisers?

Nice ships, built for clankers though, so a refit would be a real headache for everyone involved. Congratulations on The Sojourn, you have started a journey that will lead you to places that you never knew existed, and they're here, in the real world. 🥇

3:05 i never noticed that collision before, good call

This ship is most likely known for Anakin's (sneaky) hyperspace jump

@mitwhitgaming7722

2 жыл бұрын

I thought of the Cat and Mouse episode first with the cloaked Republic ship.

@slenderfan-101j.g.4

2 жыл бұрын

@@mitwhitgaming7722 I think that was a Providence class dreadnought, captained by admiral trench

Loved blasting these apart in battlefront 2

Honestly, this fixes one of the biggest weak points a capital ship has: it’s crew. No matter how well trained, a crew numbering in the hundreds or even thousands isn’t going to operate nearly as smoothly or efficiently as a single automated entity would at controlling a warship, not to mention crew populated areas of a ship tend to be massive targets for enemy attacks, as to hinder the operations of the ship, something an automated warship like this doesn’t have to worry about

@matthiuskoenig3378

Жыл бұрын

plus you need less supplies for an automated ship. honestly all star wars capital ships should be automated outside of bridge crew.

I really love this video a lot, the Recuscant is one of my top favorite ships in star wars. Something I would really like to see is a more in depth video about the 4 big resistance ships in ep 8. I know you already made a video about them but I would really like to see more individual videos about them if possible. Another suggestion is if you could make a video about the GR-75? I also like that ship a lot. I really love your content and the effort you put into these videos, they are very intriguing and the thumbnails are always top quality! Keep up the good work! :)

Glad to hear your voice narrating again Daniel, Hooji's good, but nothing beats the OG.

"Light destroyer". About the length of the Venator and enough fire power to challenge it. Gotta love the class naming in Star Wars. :D

@sherwinkentpajomunoz2521

2 жыл бұрын

That recusant command by general grievous up scale variant of recusant. i get what you mean.

I remember your video describing ship classes and the Recusant does seem to match your description of being designed to take out capital ships but being a glass cannon.

Wait wait wait, I never noticed that at 3:05 two droidships collide. How have I never noticed and why has no one ever spoken about it

Impressive ship

I'm so glad you decided to cover the Recusant, it's my favorite capital ship from SW.

By far my favorite star wars ship

I prefer old ships because repurposed rather than scrapped.

I love the design of this ship, great video!

I need to complain about the specifications sheet of the videos. I understand needs to be a change of scenery every few months, but I am the nerd that pause the video to read the specifications of the ship and the words are tiny at best. Even at the computer is difficult to read. Your previous design was better. I think your last video with the previous design of the specifications sheet was Quasar Class Light Carrier. Otherwise, the quality of the video is great. You and Hooj do a great job at narrating the video.

Excellent breakdown.

I don't know if there's enough imagery for it, but I would absolutely love to see a StealthX breakdown.

My favorite prequel trilogy ship. It just looks so elegant...

I’d love to see you do all the ships in decent free space: the Great War and free space 2

Nice job!

"It doesn't feel pity. Or remorse. And it absolutely will not stop. Ever. Until you make it crash into its own fleet."

Love this channel.

You always cover my favorite vessels 😭😭😭

These ship breakdowns are why I first subbed to the channel and are what keep me here. Please do more anime ships, so much to choose from like Gundam!

Amazing video!

If I was the RA I would turn the cargo bays into miniature reactors to increase shielding. Yes they lose interior SF capabilities but they can last longer in ship to ship battles and can carry fighters on external mounts in an emergency.

Nice video, hope to see the Bellator and Assertor classes in the future :)

Great video! I am hoping that you would eventually review ships from endless sky

man i fucking love the design and aesthetic of this ship, its so menacing

Next the rare Geonosian Destroyer seen in Star Wars Republic Commando? Seen best on Kachro Bridge.

Depending on the sapience level of the ship's droid brain, I feel it's ethically better for them to be non-combatants than to be suicidal chargers.

@matthiuskoenig3378

Жыл бұрын

why would the sapience level make it a non-combatant. sapients are used in combat all the time irl and in starwars. as for suicidal charges, that is a matter of opinion. the ship isn't designed to death ride, its designed to be agressive putting the enemy on the back foot and thus giveing your fleet the initiative.

@kirknay

Жыл бұрын

@@matthiuskoenig3378 A less sapient droid could be closer to a robot, and thus not have self awareness. If a droid with full sapience was forced to fight against their will, that's no different than slave wars of the Roman era. Very ethically wrong. Leave the fighting for those who choose to fight, or droids that lack the sapience the choose. Droids with sufficient sapience and slaves should be at most noncombatant support.

Marathon class cruiser halo ship breakdown is my video idea

Love it. Could you do another Vs? The Scimitar Vs Sovereign was epic!

Love your vids dude. Is there going to be a breakdown of NEOS in Lost Planet 2 someday?

I would combine the best qualities of this ship with the Terminus class from Star Wars the Old Republic.

This is one of my favorite Star wars ships just behind the Venator and Eclipse

The BRIDGE LOCATION is so silly. Destroy that Bridge and that's it - game over.

@matthiuskoenig3378

Жыл бұрын

did you not watch the video? its controled by a central computer. the bridge is irrelevant.

Could have sworn the Recusant was also known for being an improvised droid fighter carrier.

@nicolasheredia956

2 жыл бұрын

Well, that's technically all the Confederate ships, Vulture droids could hide behind the armor plates of Munificents and Recusants or crawl on the hull of Providences thanks to having magnetic feets

@DIEGhostfish

2 жыл бұрын

External docks yes. Also the double size version has a normal hangar

I wonder if it would be possible for @Spacedock to do a video on the Scion spacecraft in the C&C universe?

The idea that a Ship sized Droid Brain is worse than C-3P0 is borderline idiotic.

That sounds about right.

I love these videos! Could you make one for the HAVw A6 Juggernaut? I love it!

Would you be interested in going back to Battlezone 98? It would be interesting to hear your takes one the Razor and the Flanker. Also, would be interested in covering anime? Hearing about the Gundam and Macross series would be great.

Did you ever get to cover the ships from Star Wars legacy?

Could you cover some of the ships in the Obi-Wan Kenobi series? Like the Inquisitor shuttle for example?

hi Spacedock, could you at some point make a breakdown video about the Knightmare frame like the Lancelot or guren fra Code geass?

With the aggressive nature of the Droid Brain I’d think these would make a great “Fireship” Basically a massive suicide attacker.

have you guys ever thought of doing stuff from the BattleTech universe

Your Sojourn visuals remind me a lot of EVE.

The Avenger from XCOM 2 please.

Could you do a break down of the Event Horizon?

It's things like this that make me wonder how Palpatine maintained a stalemate in the clone wars. Really, how many losses, with ships like this, the subjugator and the providence, did the CIS need to open its eyes and see how Dooku wasted ships purposefully? And how Grievous lost repeatedly and idiotically to unconventional tactics?

The main problem I see with this ship is that getting behind one and cutting the engines off seem far too easy. If you are designing a ship for bio crew then I understand getting the possible radioactive engines as far away from the crew as possible, but if you are expecting a droid crew that can be made immune to that problem... why add a weakness that it not needed?

00:32 does anyone know what ship is this or where is this ship taken from? Edit: The "Guinevere" a Huntress-class Attack Corvette.

I never really tought of asking but what are destroyers are for in naval doctrines or in this case space doctrine ?

@matthiuskoenig3378

Жыл бұрын

irl they are multi-role vessels, in fleets they useually form the defensive screen (as was their orginal purpose, which is why they are called destroyers. its a shortening of torpedo boat destroyers. ofcaurse nowdays they are primarily AA and anti-submarine screens, aswell as intercepting other destroyers). they are also used as reconnaissance vessels and for harassing the enemy fleet in general. in modern navies destroyers are also adopting the roles of cruisers as line ships, but this is more because of the dominance of airpower at the moment making line ships less important and thus not worth investing in a dedicated lineship, than destroyes beng better line ships than cruisers.

God I love separatist ships designs

The scene at 2:18 where’s it from what episode

Fair winds

The Recusant a.k.a the ship you destroy at the end of Republic Commando.

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Huh, it predates the Clone Wars? Always thought it's one of the few vessels comissioned for the CIS. I mean a destroyer has rather little use for a corporation (outside of war in general). I frigate (Munificent) makes more sense in this context.

@sideburngthepeacebringer27

2 жыл бұрын

Probably been used to protect convoys against pirates.

@matthiuskoenig3378

Жыл бұрын

@LennoxPoodle that is legends lore, in legends it was a joint effort of zealous techno union separatists and free dac volunteers engineering useing commerceguild resources alongside tech stollen from the mon calarmari, specifically for the clone wars. a large number of them were also paid for by thousands of non-corporate worlds quote "eager to defend their independence." in disney canon they retconned it into a pre-clone wars ship without an explanation as to why it was ordered or how it was used pre-war. although we can assume pirate hunting.

Is this a re-uploaded video?

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It was that mindset that got Count Dooku killed in the end and that is he lost all hope after he learned that Jinn was killed by Darth Maul(The future Emperor's apprentice at the time). I was never a fan of the Recusant Class of the CIS to be honest.

Honestly, not much of a fan of this design, I like most separatist ship designs (Lucrehulk, Providence, Subjugator, etc.) but this one and to a lesser extent the Munificent don't really do it for me, they're just a bit too bulky and vulnerable for what their roles are intended to be, though notably the Munificent is better at its intended role than the Recusant.

@matthiuskoenig3378

Жыл бұрын

bulky? they are skeletal.

@asaschuemann9545

Жыл бұрын

@@matthiuskoenig3378 Bulky as in too big, not bulky as in bulky frame, just to clarify

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Remember how it was stated that it took 1,000 of these to stand up to a Mandator-II? Ah, fleet junkies. lol.

Some people pronounce it Recusant but I prefer Recusant

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Hi

The Recusant-class light destroyer first appeared in the 2005 prequel trilogy film, Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith. The starship was later first identified in the 2018 reference book Star Wars: Complete Vehicles, published by Dorling Kindersley.

@Jack-Hands

2 жыл бұрын

I believe it first appeared in the game: Star wars Republic Commando.

@matthiuskoenig3378

Жыл бұрын

@@Jack-Hands acording to wookiepedia you are correct.

@Jack-Hands

Жыл бұрын

@@matthiuskoenig3378 yeah. I remembered because I played that game a couple of months ago. You had to use AA guns on Kashyyk to shoot it down.

Seems more like a light crusher

Why not just call it a heavy cruiser?

Strange theory how many farts can a spaceship handle if real ?

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It's truly a shame - a kind of interesting looking and well-thought design with a specialized role and specialized equipment fitting for that role, fighting for the good side and a just cause, just to be later pressed into service by terrorists...

I know audible fucked Spacedock over pretty bad. Is there anyway to be sure these other distributes wont just do the same thing?

@Spacedock

2 жыл бұрын

Google Books is largely reliable, but you're right, most distributors are entirely ripping off creators. That's why Patreon is such a lifeline for people making original content, that's absolutely the way to get the series that most supports us.

So the Recusant class destroyer's armor is only front mounted to facilitate slugging it out with their opponents. Which is nice and all if you and your opponents are fighting on a narrow 2 dimensional plane, but they're fighting in space where it's easy to reposition yourself in 3 dimensions. Did the designers ever leave their planets?

@justanerdiguess4910

2 жыл бұрын

that's just how things *are* in star wars, a lot of ship designs don't make sense for operating in a three-dimensional space. why do star destroyers need such massive bridges? that design made sense during the time of battleships here on earth, as it allows for a greater range at which you can visibly spot your opponent, but it makes no sense in space.

@matthiuskoenig3378

Жыл бұрын

if the enemy can move so can you... (plus shields exist in star wars). space has plenty of space to maneuver. if the enemy attacks from the top or bottom you don't even have to turn to face them, just reverse and they will be in your frontal arc again.

Gotta say I like Star Wars Ships, but the inability of the Authors to classify the Ships somewhat consistantly with actual naval ships is a bit annoying

do you know what "space frame" means? lol

Light Destroyer my ass...

Really dumb to only armor the front of the ship. The enemy can get behind you, especially the highly maneuverable star fighters and bombers.

@matthiuskoenig3378

Жыл бұрын

it does have armour on the rear, just less armour. (and shields are a thing in star wars). its actually dumb to put equal ammounts of armour all around your ship. extra weight and cost that you have to lug around that only comes into use when you fuck up badly.

FIRST?

@andreasvonarlt1449

2 жыл бұрын

No, not realy

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