NOTE: The Episode of Badonkagonk this highlight is from was recorded between the airing of The Acolyte 1x4 and 1x5

@jonathanwheeler963

2 күн бұрын

So having seen episode 5 where he says "I'm a sith." Does this change your opinion on the no sith for a thousand years idea?

@vintersaga2177

2 күн бұрын

​@@jonathanwheeler963I think they adressed it pretty clearly, not sure the episode changes much really. Before the story wraps up, which they put some focus on as important, we don't know what it means and it is yet to break lore in any way. With the last episode, it's most likely that the Jedi will never find out about this guy. Everyone might die before they have a chance to tell the council. I believe what bothers them the most is probably that people assume the show won't cover the concerns way before it is finished. People complained about it breaking canon even when all we had were the trailers.

@k.rider-kun8919

2 күн бұрын

​@@jonathanwheeler963 Qimir: Name, I have no name. You Jedi though would call me a Sith. We can still be open with the interpretation of that dialogue. Whether or not he sees he's a Sith is still up to debate

@JustAnotherNerd420

2 күн бұрын

@@jonathanwheeler963he says the the opposite of that lol

@arthurwilliams7511

2 күн бұрын

He said “ some would call me sith” important distinction and there has absolutely been active sith for the last thousand years and they’ve been extremely powerful individuals.

Eric's criticism towards Star Wars Theory was SO thoughtful and really encapsulates how mature I think he is analytically.

Blind Wave/Wave Squadron is the only place for Star Wars fans that's not toxic beyond belief. Things get criticised but it's always objective and never bad mannered. 👍

@vanessaaves3271

Күн бұрын

Kyle Katarn is also a really positive place

@andalf_der_graue

Күн бұрын

@@vanessaaves3271 true, I forgot him for a moment 😅

@burgermantheiii8623

Күн бұрын

Agreed. Although sometimes I think they're a little too forgiving of things. I get it though, its who they are. And it's interesting to see someones favored opinion whereas I may find it lackluster. There's things I hear Blindwave dislikes, I like. Things we agree on to like or dislike. And things I dislike they loved! Its a refreshing place to have these days in a world that tries so hard to shut out opposing opinions.

@DarthQueefious

Күн бұрын

It's toxic in a positive sense, like a wife being positive about her beatings

‘A lot of people went into this with their blaster belt clipped in.’ Brilliant stuff!

Thank you all so much for sharing this! 100% with you all on all of this. Love you guys!

@Regarl_

2 күн бұрын

You and Blindwave are the content creators, whose opinions on the current shows interest me the most because you both share your opinions in a differentiated way that talks about the stuff that works for you and that does'nt and explains it well. Thank you for creating great content and being a differentiated and kind voice in the fandoms you talk about!

@nickwheeler6764

2 күн бұрын

One GOAT to another, love the Omn1 and Blindwave crossover here

@Benomaleno

Күн бұрын

The crossover I never knew I needed

@gavinp6609

Күн бұрын

Agree.. hey would you think dropping the whole Season from the start every episode , would have changed the negative views?.. I don't know just spit balling.. luv the conversation too

It is so refreshing to hear a conversation/discussion that discuss both the good and the bad in a clear and non judgemental way. If even half the Star Wars online community could discuss things as eloquently as both of you, it would be far better for it.

@-Eisenfaust-

2 күн бұрын

I personally don't like Acolyte at all, but I understand what you mean. Unfortunately, the online Star Wars community is very toxic. It's never possible to please everyone anyway, because opinions are subjective. I also hear a lot of hate towards Disney, but I don't think that's fair. Rogue One and Andor are, in my opinion, one of the best Star Wars projects ever.

@thesteel09

2 күн бұрын

@@-Eisenfaust- Totally agree. In my opinion, Andor is not only one of the best pieces of Star Wars content we've gotten, it's one of the best television shows I've watched, period.

@matthewdillow558

2 күн бұрын

Agreed

@Agherosh

2 күн бұрын

Yes, it's extremely hard to give arguments to things to only get the answer "WeLl, YoU'rE rAcIsT".

@DiamondFire

2 күн бұрын

@@Agherosh This is the problem though, the well of discussion has been completely spoiled by grifters. Then the people who oppose the grifters lash out which further ruins it.. genuinely near impossible to have a proper discussion of the show in *most* online spaces.

This is why I love Blind Wave.

The cave of evil metaphor is so accurate with how we interact with media these days. Thank you guys for ever being a source of positivity in all your content even when you don’t like something.

I think the thing for me is as a person who has been around since New Hope debuted is that there’s never been a reliable set canon. The first printings of the novelization which Lucas worked on added items that were contradicted by ESB. This is leaving aside Splinter of the Mind’s Eye, which Lucas considered canon… until he didn’t. Lucas, who changed his canon constantly, based Star Wars on pulp serials and those didn’t care about canon either. He changed his mind constantly depending on what he thought made a better story that day

@reapersoul8506

2 күн бұрын

The issue is George himself was loose with the story so it’s at least consistent with everything else

@perssontm1628

2 күн бұрын

Well that was also while developing the main story, this show is supposed to be something that ADDS to the story, or even a new story you could say. It's in these shows that theres an issue breaking canon. It's supposed to add, not replace.

@ichigen511

2 күн бұрын

Exactly. I, like you, saw Star Wars in 1977 and over the next 6 years watched George retcon the story as he made it up. He did this because he wanted a good story. And sometimes to get a good story you have to retcon and make shit up. Darth Vader killed your father -> Darth Vader is your father (Nobody will EVER convince me that George wrote the original 1977 Vader to be Luke's father, yeah, no) "That boy was our last hope. No, there is another" The other WAS supposed to be Luke's sister, a Jedi (i think). BUT -> It was NOT supposed to be Leia. The girl he just made out with and she kissed him in the first movie? Leia was NEVER written as Luke's sister. But you know what? No big deal. Just make a good story. I'm enjoying The Acolyte very much. I don't really care about canon because I've been around long enough to know this is a cool space opera fantasy with lightsabers and real cool droids and Jedi and Sith. How anybody is getting so angry about "canon" is just beyond my mind to comprehend to be honest. Edit: I just remembered another famous retcon LOL. Obi-Wan tells look in tESB that Yoda was his master and trained him -> Nope. It was Qui-Gon.

@perssontm1628

2 күн бұрын

@@ichigen511 Like I said in my comment above, it's not the same, from your examples the lore was still being created and the story was not finished. Additionally, this show is supposed to be new story, so why change lore, it doesn't make sense. For a story to be good everythings gotta be logical. you can't have 100's of plot holes just because "why not"..

@kaiser_suzi_

2 күн бұрын

@@perssontm1628 There's a big difference between 100s of plotholes and a story not being finished. There's also a difference between lore within a story depending on who tells it. For example, an eye witness could tell you what happened in a certain situation, but someone in a different place who wasn't there and only heard gossip or rumours would tell a different story. This idea is used in SW a lot since it takes place across a large time period, throughout a massive galaxy.

Am I the only one who thought when seeing TPM as a kid that Mace Windu and Yoda was keeping Sith a secret, I always thought Windu’s eyebrows raised to Yoda as if they already knew.

@Kriv-kj6lk

2 күн бұрын

That’s a good point

@patrickwaldeck6681

2 күн бұрын

I have been obsessed with this idea for like 20 years. They give each other a look during that conversation that 100 percent implies they knew SOMETHING. I love the conspiracy theory that key members of the Jedi Council are desperately trying to cover up any evidence of Sith activity whatsoever from the rest of the Order and the Republic at large but they know the sith are lurking out there in the darkness of the galaxy.

@Jon_FM

2 күн бұрын

@@patrickwaldeck6681 I mean they say, "Only 2 there are, no more no less." Same two characters and also how would they have known that because if we look at what little we know the Sith were not always 2 and most stories say that this changed around the time the war between the two sides ended. Of course all of that is based on Legends (including KOTOR)

@da-vidcargill4975

2 күн бұрын

it would sense as how yoda would know about the rule of 2 which was created by bane in secret would even be tied to the sith itself.

@da-vidcargill4975

2 күн бұрын

plus remember they ignored doooku's warning various times before ep 1

It's the Anakin mantra. If you're not with me, then you're my enemy.

People who have "never watched" something telling people how horrible it is just seems weird.....

@GacMan47

2 күн бұрын

Especially when all the episodes aren't even out yet. Never watching it is so much worse.

@FrostyMountain-wo3kl

12 сағат бұрын

They literally tell people not to watch it if they don’t like it so based on this premise how the fuck can someone know if they’ll like something if they didn’t watch it themselves first. Seems contradictory.

Genuinely thankful for you guys. In a fandom full of toxicity it’s so great to find people with positive outlooks and who aren’t always angry just to be angry. Thank you for your perspectives!

This is why you guys are the best Star Wars fans on youtube, best content creators and just have a great community. Fair, balanced discussion about everything, non of this wild clickbait outrage

Blind Wave is my safe space for Star Wars content

@agamotto5354

2 күн бұрын

10000% I don't bother with anything else at this point

@adrianpallis4568

2 күн бұрын

Yeah Kyle and Blindwave is also my safe haven for Star Wars.

@realzeno4493

2 күн бұрын

That’s so awesome for u dude congrats! 🎉

@adyaflatuconsina6302

Күн бұрын

Yeahh this is a safe space..I don't like the show..but people who never watched it and bullying others for liking it is sick behaviour

You guys are a fucking breath of fresh air. Thank you.

This is why I’m a fan of you guys. I love the rational, logical thinking. All art is subjective, period.

@SilverFang95

2 күн бұрын

False.

@Agherosh

2 күн бұрын

No, it's not. If you have a functional brain you can watch something like Fast & Furious and even though you can like it, you'd definitely say "This is so fucking stupid, but I like it."

@GarbageWithNoPoint

2 күн бұрын

@@SilverFang95 What an incredible comment

@SilverFang95

2 күн бұрын

@@GarbageWithNoPoint Thanks, I wrote it myself.

@ShreddyKreuger13

2 күн бұрын

@@SilverFang95 stay simple

Eric thank you for reminding us that these are made up stories about space wizards and not to be taken so damn seriously. 😉

There is way too much hatred in the world now a days. Social media just feels like it’s constantly throwing more and more fuel on the fire. You guys are always a breath of fresh air. You keep things civil and respectful while being open to people different opinions. That’s something we are losing more and more. So I appreciate you guys for sticking to who you are and not getting all swept up in the bullcrap. Haha. I always enjoy hearing you guys talk about things you’re passionate about.

@rantalmore

2 күн бұрын

❤

Love the non toxic attitude guys. It's so nice after seeing the storm of hate

So beyond grateful for you guys and how you're able to use nuance and positivity to share your thoughts on Star Wars!!

Ironic that so many fans give in to hate considering the message of Star Wars...

Appreciate the breath of fresh air this discussion was. You guys rock.

I don't watch your channel for the reactions I watch because it feels like hanging out with buddies watching a show. I appreciate you guys trying to curve the toxcity that seeps into a lot of these reactions and discussions for "Disney" Star Wars... Some of these canon people hold high regards to what George Lucas has done and written, yet George sold Star Wars after the prequels...was it for money sure, was it for opening himself to do other things and time with family, sure...but to touch on your prequel points, he also saw that what he wanted, and what he did.. didn't jive with Fandom when those three came out and how toxic they were. Especially when. It came to Anikan...that little kid was cut down... Hayden was almost universally hate, probably affected his career.

this is a great discussion! thank you both and to all who worked on creating this but also to shed light on current events.

I’m so happy you guys are talking about this. It feels like every other youtuber is making 15 clickbait videos on the subject instead of actually trying to see whether or not the show is breaking canon!

@KarlKraus1

2 күн бұрын

it's wasting bandwidth and people's time Get some original stuff prepared and we MAY give you a chance

@VoiceNerd

2 күн бұрын

@@KarlKraus1 Then watch Star Wars Theory. The dude is calm, cool, and collected and is giving better criticisms of the show than anyone in KZread

@itschewsday5252

Күн бұрын

@@VoiceNerdno he doesn’t bro💀

Great video guys. So happy to see this healthy discussion on these topics. I find it wild that some people who have watched star wars and claim to be friends can be so hateful and full of anger. Literally like the whole message of these stories is to turn away from feelings of hatred and anger

Erick's quote about people entering the cave with a light saber belt is the strongest and most truthful statement I've heard about Star Wars in a while

@RoanCrowley

Күн бұрын

It more represents burying your head in the sand because you don't want to hear crtizism.

@DarthQueefious

23 сағат бұрын

If the last 5 times you went into a cave you got attacked by some poorly-written incoherent monster, you'd take your weapons in with you too.

Eric and Aaron with the well-thought-out and very mature points! The vitriol against this show is so hilariously sad and the people that give it the 1 star are just telling on themselves. Thanks for doing what you guys are doing, keep it up!

@2010josem

2 күн бұрын

Well thought out points. The whole point :art is subjective. Lmaoo

Art quality is subjective, it’s up to the viewer to decide how different aspects of art have or don’t have meaning

Thank you so much for being mature, honest, and saying no to hate. I don't think people need to like the show or agree with my opinion, but it is super depressing that everywhere it is being discussed online is full of crazy hate and anger. I want to be able to celebrate the things I love about the show and have constructive discussions about the things I don't, but there aren't many places where that is possible. Many people decided before it came out that they didn't like it which shows that so much of the negativity is in bad faith, and a lot of the complaints over the last few weeks have continued to be ridiculous. We already knew that dark side users could potentially create life before Anakin was conceived by the Force, so dark side witches doing that with their magic is completely in canon with the movies. We know Ki-Adi-Mundi was blatantly wrong when he said the Sith did not exist and it seems pretty obvious that the show is covering up potential Sith existence by killing off all the witnesses and having other Jedi, including Ki-Adi, believe that it is just a rogue Jedi at work. Plus, Ki-Adi's inclusion here is obviously intentional as he represents the ignorance and arrogance of the Jedi, and there is no reason why he couldn't be there since the only place that says he would not be alive in this time is in Legends which has not been canon for years. Now, if we get to the end of the show and one of their explanations for these things doesn't line up and ends up breaking canon then I'm sure I will have a problem with that as well, but they have not done anything so far to indicate that this will be the case.

I'm so glad you addressed this. Love you guys and appreciate what you do, keep it up

The saddest thing about the Disney Star Wars era is that I believe the majority of what I will politely call “The Grifters” absolutely know better than to spew the nonsense they do. But they capitalized on Rian Johnson’s Luke decision in Last Jedi and they have not looked back since. These same people hated The Mandalorian initially until Luke showed up and were under the false impression that the new canon was getting wiped. It’s borderline crazy talk. The overwhelming majority of the discourse I have found to be disingenuous and agenda pushing. There’s tons of examples, but I don’t have time to list them all. I always ask my younger, non social media friends and their kids, “hey what did you think this week?” And it’s always smiles and fun recaps and theory building. We need more of that. That’s what you guys bring; a light and hope for what I’m led to believe is the silent majority of the fans.

The Prequel is my favorite trilogy and it encouraged me to consume more of the other productions such as the books and the Clone Wars animation (which is by far what I love most about this universe), so I learned very early on in my Star Wars journey not to care/participate in fandom discussions. Your channel has been a blessing in my life, you are the only ones I follow to understand the plots and stories more deeply, (I must have already rewatched the CW react at least 5 times) and seeing the way you deal with new content as additions to the universe instead of looking for flaws just to complain is what always keeps me excited to learn more and more.

Listening to this was a breath of fresh air. So so so fed up of the hate to this show. Thankyou wave squadron for being neutral in this discussion. The George lucus purists that just hate on Disney because they didn't like the sequels bring the star wars community down and make it a negative place but you guys flip that on its head. Thankyou 🙏

At the end of the day, it's a franchise about a FICTIONAL galaxy. Six year old actors should NOT be cyberbullied into quitting acting and Wikipedia editors should NOT be getting death threats.....

@helinituhhh

2 күн бұрын

Amen.

@Agherosh

2 күн бұрын

You mean the wookiepedia editor who used pictures stolen from other people online because she hated herself so she stole someone's identity?

@scotthewitt258

2 күн бұрын

@@Agherosh All I heard about was Wookiepedia editors being threatened with MURDER. Which is believe had to do with the current "debate".

@Agherosh

2 күн бұрын

@@scotthewitt258 Funny because I haven't seen any threat to anyone, the same way most people hasn't seen any racism the cast talks about. It may have something to do with it being a stupid ass minority. Maybe if you focused on researching what happens you'd also hear about the fact that the wookiepedia editor that cries so much is nothing but an identity thief who steals other people's photos.

@rvds2040

2 күн бұрын

@@Agherosh that honest to god depends on if thats true or if you are pulling that out of your ass to justify death threats

You guys, Louise Julia, and Kyle Katarn are just built differently. And I'm here for it

good video. thanks for being a bastion of reason and positivity in this online cesspool of a fandom

Blind wave is what gives me hope Still being a Star Wars. One of if not the only channel that tackles things from multiple perspectives. This is what constructive criticism should be

Its been very hard to be a star wars fan on youtube as of late, especially when the biggest voice of star wars on youtube thinks the complete opposite from you guys

@bongzilla4172

2 күн бұрын

Well, both sides are not wrong here.

@MasterDoctorBenji

2 күн бұрын

@bongzilla1472 if you are trying to yuck someone's yum. You are on the wrong side. If you said, this art if objectively bad and you are wrong. You are on the wrong side.

@2010josem

2 күн бұрын

@@MasterDoctorBenji subjective art doesn't mean let's do stupid shit because we can. Subjective art still comes from logical, objective thoughts to make it more close to heart.

@MasterDoctorBenji

2 күн бұрын

@@2010josem that's just not true. Experimental cinema exists for this very reason. Picasso drew people wrong, objectively bad. Except obviously it ISNT! Objective changes, reality isn't fixed in that way. You are simply narcissistic.

@itschewsday5252

Күн бұрын

I hate SWT so much because he is overdramatizing how bad the show is. At most, the show is mediocre. But bro is saying it’s “breaking canon” and it isn’t at all. Almost all of his videos is bashing the show and wookiepedia for doing their job.

Thank you for being the voice of reason

People getting upset about wiki edits to the point of DEATH THREATS is ridiculous. The whole Wikipedia system has always been open to edits, so newly revealed or discovered information can be added about entries.

@stephenoliveau

2 күн бұрын

Nobody should send death threats for anything... but plenty on both sides of this divide do. Bad actors are not a reason to dismiss valid claims. They retconned something and you're just making excuses that don't address the issue.

@scotthewitt258

2 күн бұрын

@@stephenoliveau Strawman. I'm NOT "excusing" anything. I just said death threats are ridiculous. Which everyone should agree with, but here we are. Also, where IN CANON was the age of the Jedi being argued over said in a movie or TV show?

@stephenoliveau

2 күн бұрын

@scotthewitt258 I agreed with that portion of your comment. No strawman there. Your excuses come when you dismiss it as ThAtS HoW WiKis WoRk BS. The issue isn't the nature of a wiki... it's the disrespect for the source material. You're the one making strawman arguments. Your emphasis on 'in canon' shows you know exactly the problem, but are disingenuously arguing a different point... that wikis gunna wiki. Disney chose to decanonize plenty of beloved lore so they had an excuse to pull garbage like this. The disrespect of the source material is an extension of the disrespect for the fan base that built this franchise.

@nickmacias00

2 күн бұрын

@@scotthewitt258honestly doesn’t matter if it’s canon or not, if I was a writer I wouldn’t even dare touch such a touchy topic just to not even risk the controversy leading to your show getting criticism valid or not said criticism is going to lead to your show getting shitty reviews, losing money, & getting cancelled.

@fredwardandthebear3192

2 күн бұрын

​@@stephenoliveau Ok, but there's been no such disrespect of canon material in this show thus far. You keep reframing your argument to have something to complain about.

I really had to force my self to clear my social media of star wars pages because of this overhate and negativity of the fandom. Its so frustrating seeing people complain about so little, and like, condemning who is liking/ defending the show, and most didn't even watch it, take conclusions before the show even finish. Sure there are things to criticize about, but a lot of people are just hating for hating

@WaveSquadron this is such a breath of fresh air to just see a dialog of star wars and not a full blown hate fest for no reason. There has been some crazy irrational things said about the acolyte. It's not perfect by any means, but the hate it has gotten to the degree it has is way to much. Keep up the good work guys. I always love watching your reactions and your dialogs.

Kinda nuts how much energy people put into something they hate that they'll prolly forget about pre soon

Just wanted to thank you guys. I am I guess more casual fan I'd seen all movies and a little of the shows. My wife had only seen 1-6 of the movies. So this year we decided to catchup so we could be ready for the new stuff. We Watched All chinama on Disney including playing fallen order and new lego game. We enjoy acolyte so far . But we know nothing about old republic or anything in books so we have been coming to your channel to watch reactions and learn more about those things. So thank you for staying positive and keeping it focused on the story. We agree with how you guys. We thought episode 3 was cool. This is a story about space wizards it's ment to be fun and explore the imagination and story telling. So thx you guys

@dqixsoss7436

Күн бұрын

Glad you’ve been enjoying it and I’m happy you’re watching Blind Wave/Wave Squadron. They always have the best Star Wars content. Hope you enjoy the rest of the Acolyte x

Eric would be a great Jedi Master... great take on the state of the fandom

@2010josem

2 күн бұрын

For what exactly? For saying art is subjective the moment something he likes is massively disliked? Lmao i want to see him actually debate a big star wars fan to see if he has enough arguments to back himself up.

@rohegarcia2802

2 күн бұрын

@@2010josemHe has always said art is subjective. Eric is capable of defending anything because he knows it’s not that deep. It’s a fantasy space show, get over yourself.

@2010josem

2 күн бұрын

@@rohegarcia2802 yet, he trashed Theory's Vader Ep 1 because it wasn't realistic to what sith actually are. Sounds hypocritical to me. Btw, franchises need fans to make money, if nobody comsumes your shit, you're done. So it's deep enough to make people unemployed. So bad argument buddy

@kryssz4074

2 күн бұрын

@@2010josemTheory is that of which he claims the rest of the fandom to be. A fake Starwars fan, his takes are consistently terrible, he contributes to the hate of the fandom, and he wonders why he’s not invited to certain events ?? “Dude no way it’s gonna be Maul !!” Actually embarrassing, and he wants to talk about the acolyte “breaking canon”. The irony of him not understanding Starwars and claiming that Disney doesn’t when George Lucas himself is on the sets giving approval for these things is down right hilarious.

@2010josem

2 күн бұрын

@@kryssz4074 refute his arguments then 🤣if you're so knowledgeable it would be easy. The funny thing is people say he hates star wars to make money, but then people like you say he doesn't get invited to shows, so it's actually the opposite. You seagulls contradict yourselves for a living lmao.

Always loved hearing you guys talk about Star Wars, thank you for all your content. You guys are genuine and I really respect that. Can’t wait for Star Wars celebration in Japan! Hope to see the crew there! 🙌🏼

The two points they make which could save this from breaking canon are: 1. What defines a Sith? It is more than being a powerful dark side user 2. If Mundi knows about what is happening in the acolyte, then perhaps there is some sort of cover-up situation and his statement is false. As for preserving the fact that the Jedi are arrogant because they haven’t seen the Sith in a very long time, they still haven’t in 900 years presumably, and not for a further 100, and this will be especially so if this situation is dealt with fully, we’ll see.

@TheAwesome45

2 күн бұрын

Mundi doesn’t know a Sith is involved. No Jedi do that is still alive so far except Sol. And we don’t know what’ll happen.

@MikeHesk742

5 сағат бұрын

For this to even be an issue in the first place we're already assuming that any "definition" of what a Sith is, is consistently held between Sith, Jedi and us as the audience. Why and how would the jedi have a perfect definition here that matches the deepest most hidden Sith lore?

when Eric is talking about when people use the term "shill", i have never agreed more it is so annoying that simply being a fan and enjoying something will have people yelling at me because of their sense of ownership over star wars or anything else for that matter

@donkeyteethbites

2 күн бұрын

And how shocking is it Disney would want to invite people to things who are fans and not people who spend 20 hours a day hating them.

@highrofellos6721

2 күн бұрын

Is everyone who gets labeled a shill actually a shill? No. However, creators posting photos of themselves at events with the Producer, With Filoni, etc. and then never criticising shows gives off a very bad look as well (Especially if they over-the-top react to stuff regularly). Is "Everything" wrong with Star Wars? Absolutely not. Are there decisions and writing points that are at a minimum poor and at a maximum a complete mess? Yes there are and those should be pointed out and discussed. For Instance I think that Mae having one of her daggers/Kunai/whatever you want to call them be Cortosis.....a report of a material shorting out a lightsaber from the EYE-WITNESS. Allows the writers to have a reference found in the Archives of the material. This gives a reason for the call back of Sol and team to Coruscant after Episode 2.....and it allows for 1-2 minutes of discussion of the material, Master Andara's Death, and the need to find not only Mae, but the Cortosis weapon itself too! Audience is informed of a niche asset that is going to become a bigger part of the story/battles, Andara's death AND lightsaber going dark get to be massive shocks in addition to explaining Andara's shocking death to a small "Normal" weapon.

@robertmercer7714

Күн бұрын

@@joeyhoy5624 it goes the other way also and wished they would have addressed that also because people have said that the production value isn’t reflecting the amount they were given to make this show just look at the makeup effects for Jedi Master Mundi it just looks weird his head shape is different and looks deflated compared to the other live action version in the prequel. Just like how people complained about the look of the Grand Inquisitor in Kenobi. I’m probably gonna be called racist and a bigot against women and all because I think that the show is lacking in quality for having such a huge budget to make. I have seen fan films that have looked better.

Couldn’t have explained it better, it’s not the best show to exist, but most of the hate is totally uncalled for.

This video feels like the perfect addressal of these topics that resonates with how I feel, and how I'd like to. I tend to struggle ignoring the toxic discourse online about Star Wars just because I love seeing others' thoughts on the media I enjoy, but this channel has helped a ton by being such a strong source of positive, respectful commentary. Over time I've gotten better at being able to just ignore needlessly hostile videos and stuff about this franchise, and I hope others can do the same. Star Wars is a franchise meant to be enjoyed, and that's really all I set out to do when I watch some new piece of content. I hope that in the future, like or dislike any new media that comes out, there can be more rational, respectful discourse like this channel does. Thanks for making this, and keep going strong!

The Ki-Adi Mundi thing is so not a big thing for me. He either 1. doesn't learn that this mystery master is a Sith, or 2. learns of it, but as a good bureaucrat keeps it quiet. If the latter, damn right he'd try to wave off Qui-Gon's assertion that Maul was a Sith and would not share that he and other Jedi brushed their re-emergence aside. That outrage has made the least sense to me.

@bongzilla4172

2 күн бұрын

So, what about the 4+ dead Jedi from the actions of the sith? And they STILL don't know? That's just poor writing and we all know it.

@Mr_Snifflez

2 күн бұрын

@@bongzilla4172how would anyone not there have any clue that a sith did it?

@TheAwesome45

2 күн бұрын

@@Mr_Snifflez Yeah Jedi are hard to kill, but more non Sith have killed Jedi or screen than Sith have killed Jedi.

@Mr_Snifflez

2 күн бұрын

@@TheAwesome45 yea exactly. I mean the only difference here is that they have lightsaber kill marks but they’ll just assume it’s a dark Jedi like they’ve already been thinking

@Jarke

Күн бұрын

so the multiple jedi who got murdered... they don't wonder what happened to them or how did that many jedi get killed? They just think they quit the jedi order and dipped ahaha?

The prequel hate was different. SW fans ran George off his IP 😂 had actors on suicide watch. It was all crazy

@leefchapman

2 күн бұрын

And now instead of actors on suicide watch, they're sending death threats.

@KCon-go7et

2 күн бұрын

And those same turds are now saying they miss the prequels and want Lucas back lol

@d1sp0s1t10n

2 күн бұрын

@@KCon-go7et Exactly.

@jwiggs82

2 күн бұрын

They didn’t run off of anything, the man put JarJar in multiple Clone Wars eps because he knew people hated him.

@tziondudley

Күн бұрын

@@jwiggs82 They definitely ran him off .

Thanks to Eric and Aaron for their reasonable assessments! 🌌

The thing is Ki-Adi's age has NEVER been canon. And what he said E1 isnt necessarily a lie. Qimir never said he was a Sith, he said "I guess you'd call me Sith" we still don't know EXACTLY what he is or isn't. No canon has really been broken

@gyderian9435

Күн бұрын

Sith existing is not canon breaking, Ki-Adi was just wrong, or lied. Have you wondered how did Yoda know about the Sith's rule of two? "Always two there are..."

I like that you guys stay positive in this environment.

@DominickvdHoff

2 күн бұрын

You're better people than me though, I've been quite salty over some stuff. but I can appreciate the positives too.

@MFSeaMen

2 күн бұрын

​@@DominickvdHoff there's nothing wrong with disliking a thing, the fact you are self aware to you saltiness (for lack of a better word) means you are a much better and more articulate person than some people hating on the show. 👍

Old time OT fan, honestly I loooove Acolyte its so refreshing, and I see absolutely no canon breaking in it and agree with you guys its so dumb to think the show is bad before you have seen it all. Theres a reason why being a movie critic has some rules how to critique....

The only thing I have to say is people are name calling and threatening those who just simply don’t like the show and say to them that the production value and script/acting just doesn’t work for them are being assaulted and called racist and biased and anti women are LBGTQ. When you have the right to not like it or like it.

Wow, great video. The Acolyte is not my favorite Star Wars thing ever, but I have really been enjoying it (episode 5 was amazing), and have been disgusted by a lot of the conversation about the show. Thank you for talking about this topic in such an intelligent way. I appreciate you guys!

I love watching you guys since you're so open and generally positive to everything you try out ❤. I try to stay away from for example Instagram comment sections since all the negativity is only making me aggravated. But sometimes I try to leave som love and positivity there to balance it out a little. But after ep 5 I accidentally found a much more positive climate on Threads which made me really happy 😍

"It's anti-art" - I really do think this hits the underlying problem with a lot of modern hyper criticism towards TV and movies in general. Thank you for sharing this wonderful and even-handed conversation on the issue with Star Wars fan culture.

@Kriv-kj6lk

2 күн бұрын

It can be. There is a difference between constructive criticism and criticising for the sake of it. One has the intention to better the art and the other to destroy it.

@ilikepie-39

2 күн бұрын

@@Kriv-kj6lk For sure! Clickbait incentive has pulled a lot of criticism in the latter direction.

@user-yp6yr9te7l

2 күн бұрын

this show isn't art. It's like, the opposite of art.

@bumblethis3682

2 күн бұрын

​@@user-yp6yr9te7lThank you for completely misunderstanding this entire comment thread by criticizing for the sake of it. 😂

@user-yp6yr9te7l

2 күн бұрын

@@bumblethis3682 Oh I understand it. I disagree with it.

It's starting to become like the movie Misery but in real life. Real scary stuff.

Eric summed it up in the first 5 minutes

That’s why Blind Wave is best!

100% this! You guys are great!

I miss the vibe star wars fans use to have. I remember seeing star wars revenge of the sith in a packed theater. In my small town at the end of the movie everyone got up and clapped. It was such a vibe never seen that happen with another film since .

I thank The Force itself for you guys and your rational thinking on a daily basis!

Great stuff guys! I agree that this toxicity is just too much. I have my issues with The Acolyte but it's definitely not all bad, and Episode 5 was a great step in the right direction. Pretty intrigued to see where they go with it.....possibly seeing Darth Tenebrous?

Luke and the cave is such a great analogy. I do find that a lot of people have missed every entire point of Star Wars. Also, I don't get the Ki-Adi-Mundi lore break. They're treating him as if he is talking absolute facts, while the statement he says is a direct contradiction to what is actual fact "sith haven't been around for a millennia" he said that in response to a Jedi fighting a fucking sith, who was a sith apprentice... Ki-Adi-Mundi wasn't put in the acolyte as a throwaway character. Him, of all people, is in this for a reason. To show that the jedi are blind.

@williammccormick984

2 күн бұрын

No, you're trying WAY too hard to make excuses for bad writing. If it was just Mundi, you would have a point. Someone made a mistake. But the overall quality makes it quite clear they just didn't care or deliberately wanted to piss the fans off.

@ListerWalkthroughs

2 күн бұрын

@@williammccormick984 Hi mate, I hope everything in your life is okay. Genuinely.

@ListerWalkthroughs

2 күн бұрын

@@williammccormick984 20:45. Please watch the next 10 seconds from that point :)

@gamingeagle19

2 күн бұрын

@@williammccormick984 what are the examples of bad writing. Be specific. I keep seeing this argument and NO ONE ever provides examples. It's just a talking point.

@GattsBerserkArmor

2 күн бұрын

@@williammccormick984 go touch some grass, maybe you will stop being such a hateful person.

Spot on! Exactly my thoughts. I was trying to explain to my wife that I thought watching Disney Star Wars is a lot like the cave from ESB, people bringing their ‘wokery’ and ‘agenda’ into it and it not being specifically part of the narrative. She’s not a SW fan, so she had no idea what I was talking about

This is the first time you guys even acknowledge it. If i wasnt on the internet, watched the whole show and THEN went on online i wouldve been confused at the amount of outrage. The show isnt either good OR bad enough to get this much emotion out of ppl this is the first time its just too much for me like ppl are just joining this wave of hate, Yall shouldve blown up the ANDOR show and gave that the love it deserved bur so far SW fans making more noise when they hate something

This is why I adore you sweet puddins. Thank you for just having a good time. ❤

@dababa85

2 күн бұрын

I'm gonna start calling people sweet puddins. I love that so much. Haha

You guys are genuinely awesome, really appreciate how positive and rational you guys talk about topics like this

Also one thing that is important to think about when it comes to "canon" just because a character says something, it doesn't mean it's 100% true. Characters can lie, misremember, have different interpretations etc...

Watching you guys for years I have a complete change of heart about everything I watch. Now, I find myself unable to read or take in reviews with negative for every show or movie I see.

Thank you so much guys

Love the discussion, the acolyte is defenitly overhated, not the biggest fan because of the acting and some weird scene that takes me out but ep5 was fire

@CrazyGamerTVY

2 күн бұрын

Same. Im not the biggest Star Wars fan, and some of the scenes and choices in ep 5 had we going "eh" but lord those fight scenes were top knotch. I do have to say the reveal of "The Master" felt way too on the nose and felt disappointing. Overall ive enjoyed the show

@Gantali9305

2 күн бұрын

If i had to be fair i would say... fight scenes are top notch... scenery and sets are top notch, acting is good to passable. Writing is poor... Mainly due to character motivations beeing all over the place. so far rating 6.5/10.

@Kriv-kj6lk

2 күн бұрын

I agree, don’t like the acolyte but there are no objective criticisms and it hasn’t broken canon yet.

@cajeb5396

2 күн бұрын

Same. First four episodes were the definition of mid so I can agree with most criticisms but some of the complaints are just ppl looking to hate prematurely. Episode 5 was almost Peak Star Wars for me

@Gantali9305

2 күн бұрын

@@cajeb5396 The episode was the best so far i agree but Mae's constant changing of her mind was giving me plot whiplash. Her character was all over the place... one second her loyalty is to the master... then its to her sister then she leaves her sister to die at the hand of the master and goes off on revenge aggain...

Thank you for doing this guys, know it opens you guys up to trolls. 100% with you in everything you guys said.

I had a completely different show in mind before this came out, I thought it would be about a Sith acolyte hiding in the shadows fighting to stay there and not reveal her existence or her masters to the Jedi. Like every episode some Jedi would find out about them and the main character would have to kill that Jedi to keep the secret. That would have been more unique I think and would not break any canon as long as the acolyte always managed to cover her tracks. Now the story is too similar to episode 1 and you get all this discussions wether canon is broken or not

i dont even get how people use the argument of the sith extinction when palpatine is right there and rubs it in the face of the jedi daily.

@Agherosh

2 күн бұрын

People use the argument that the Jedi DIDN'T KNOW nor they FOUND any threats like Sith. The show turns Ki-Adi from a ignorant twat, to a lying twat.

@hadoken95

2 күн бұрын

Yea I mean 'the jedi can't possibly be wrong' when the prequel trilogy is all about how many problems the jedi are having...

@Agherosh

2 күн бұрын

I would love if my comments didn't get deleted. People are not using that as an argument, something you people fail to understand. People are using the fact that the Jedi were IGNORANT to the Sith existance because they haven't encountered a threat like them in a millenia. It's not that the Sith don't exist, it's that the Jedi DON'T KNOW. This show turns Ki-Adi from an ignorant Jedi clown, to a lying Jedi clown. There's a big difference.

@chronokeep

2 күн бұрын

​@@AgheroshSee, but your issue is forgetting that characters don't have the knowledge you do. WE know he's a Sith. Now Sol does. But Mundi doesn't. He, like Vernestra, believes it to be a splinter group of Jedi. Sith never even crossed their minds. And why would it? The Sith were defeated 900 years ago. To conclude that they returned from extinction is a leap in logic.

@DiamondFire

2 күн бұрын

@@Agherosh but Ki-Adi - even as the writer of the episode said - doesn't know the sith are back ? Everyone assumes, because the sith are extinct, its just some splinter order/rogue jedi thats fallen.. rather than an actual Sith Lord.

This background is incredible

I love watching you guys. Thank you for being positive and having constructive discussions. You make being a Star Wars fan fun.

You guys may be too young to remember that prequel hate was so bad that Wookiepedia had this weird alternate timeline of horrible fanfic. The darkside just didn't have twitter back then.

Paraphrasing "What happened to grace?" Grace doesn't sell. Outrage sells. That's the math, homie, and it sucks balls, but it is what it is.

No, it is not a crisis. We don´t know how this end. It´s like talking about a Hockey game in the second period and say that the match is over. People need to chill ffs. I see you all after episode 8, then we can talk!

@MFSeaMen

2 күн бұрын

If you actually watched the video, they are saying the people freaking out over it are wrong for doing so.

@sampson3121

2 күн бұрын

They already set it up that they will lie and not put this info, after they win, in the archives because it would make them seem weak to their political enemies and cause worry in the republic. Simple, and I don't understand how people aren't remembering and not understanding.

@andrewprice8940

2 күн бұрын

@@MFSeaMen Blind Wave are Disney shills.

@MFSeaMen

2 күн бұрын

​@@andrewprice8940 what a great, totally provable, not pulled out of thin air, argument.

@joshuawoodbridge6267

2 күн бұрын

​@@MFSeaMenNo they said that people attacking other people for it are wrong for doing so, but having opinions is fine as long as you arent spreading vitriol 😂

I wish the Star Wars fanbase could have healthy discussions like this more often. You’re entitled to not like a show or have problems with it but this whole fighting has become so toxic.

Always more thought and passion from this channel

We live in a time where for so many people they live on this philosophy: “Do I want to give an opinion that I know my audience wants to hear, or the one that I believe in myself.” I feel like the Acolyte is showing that very thing for so many content creators and how they treat the show when making videos. They’d rather appeal to the algorithm for money than to their own standards. It shows where their goals are at and how far they have fallen, not naming anyone specifically but you’ll probably know.

@hoos3014

2 күн бұрын

Jeremy Jahns, for one.

@OrionInSpace

2 күн бұрын

@@hoos3014 so he’s not necessarily the one I was referring to, but I will say I do not understand his reviews. He has said some things that have left me baffled about the show. He’s also brought up some things that I do agree with and generally he’s creator that I do like but recently in the last few years, there’s been something weird with him that I can’t quite pinpoint. Like I said though he was not the one I was referring to.

@hoos3014

2 күн бұрын

@@OrionInSpace For sure. I had a lot of respect for his previous work that's why I'm disappointed with what he's doing for The Acolyte. It's fine that he doesn't like the show; normally he'd just trash it and move on. But because the rage bait thing is so lucrative on KZread right now, he's continuing to make the videos even though he doesn't have anything else to say.

@OrionInSpace

2 күн бұрын

@@hoos3014 yeah and that’s the point I think you bring up that’s why I’m so confused with what he’s doing. Because like, for example he didn’t do that with rings of power which he’s open about not even liking the beginning of it but didn’t go on to make more videos about it.

I think this show is pretty good. Not the best thing Disney has put out, but far from the worse.

@sampson3121

2 күн бұрын

Better than the wash and repeat star wars shows they've made. Mando is and the rest is the same old. No real tension at all. At least this show there is tension and we don't know where it's going. Ashoka is just more of the same, again and again.

Bold proclamations of “everything will now be canon” were made by Lucasfilm themselves when Disney took over. All the comics, books, etc… I fully expect, based on these confident promises made years ago, that they hold true to their promise of maintaining storytelling coherence. I don’t think that’s too much to ask of people getting paid to do so. Many fans proceeded to invest in tons of product so as to maintain full knowledge of canon events, and I can understand people feeling betrayed when Lucasfilm ruins that promise of continuity. We have yet to see if Kimir is truly a Sith, and if word of him being a Sith actually reaches the council, but it’s not looking good.

Always appreciate your views. I think StarWars has some really passionate fans so no matter the project that comes out nowadays, theres always gonna be a more liking or more hating sitaution... but glad you guys are here to not only inform but also entertain, coz i too probably wouldnt look to the internet to see whats going on after each episode lol Great callback with the Twins reference too.. l😊😂

It's a damn shame these guys even had to do this. The Star Wars fanbase, in general, has a lot of growing up to do.

@nickmacias00

2 күн бұрын

This transcends star wars and it isn’t the fans to blame, the one that has a lot of growing up to do is Disney, being ignorant and defiant and just dealing with nonstop flops and money loss and not changing its ways.

@Mr_Snifflez

2 күн бұрын

@@nickmacias00how is that anyone’s problem but Disney? Why spread vitriol over a company making bad movies or tv? Who cares?

@revelstatus2346

Күн бұрын

No, we don't. We see the shit for the trees.

C3PO being gay upset people makes me shake my head. People need to take a joke one, and also remember Anthony Daniels is pretty open about his sexual orientation..

@bemasaberwyn55

2 күн бұрын

This

The term “Sith” was used by Qimir saying, “A Jedi like you would call me, Sith.”…but the way that line is worded, he never actually calls himself a Sith. Seems like a very calculated way to make fans speculate wether he is or not

This is why BW is the best Star Wars content creators imo.

Love this discussion!!! Always enjoy your thoughts on star wars

This is nice and refreshing. Keep it up.

Thank you, guys for sharing!... this is awesome. #STARWARSFAN4LIFE!!

The thing with L3 and Lando can be explained pretty easily, even with Legends justification. We don't know how long L3 had been around, but it's clear nobody ever did any memory wipes, which is how I understood people generally prevented droids from developing self-awareness.