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@davidaston5773

Жыл бұрын

@Honeycutt, you put the HEART BACK INTO "Star Trek - Nemesis". Before hand, I watched your superb video "Star Trek: Nemesis Ending Fan Edit - Data's Farewell (with Deleted Scenes)" and as with this video, you can see a DISGUSTING waste of so many beautiful scenes. The BIGGEST asset of "Star Trek - The Next Generation" was the TNG cast being so close in real life and behind the camera. That translated into every scene. TNG was a special TV family, but also, the viewer's family. We learned and grew with the cast. If they ever release a special edition with all these scenes put back in? "Star Trek - Nemesis" would be seen as the Next Generation's perfect swan song complete with EVERYTHING which made the show and cast a CLASS act. Sadly, this film, is another victim of suits who treat the audience as morons. They think the audience don't want anything that you have to ENGAGE (pun intended) and invest yourself into until the end? All the best films explore the characters and connect with us on a human level. David

That was beautiful! It's such a rarity to see Picard being this open about his feelings - its a shame these wonderful scenes were deleted. Thank you for taking the time to put them back in.

@GHOSTLYWHISPERS

3 жыл бұрын

Wine tends to make you open up a bit lol

@schiz5674

3 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%

@koningbolo4700

3 жыл бұрын

Give an Englishman (or fake Frenchy) a glass of half descent wine and he will talk about anything you want...

@laker4life36

3 жыл бұрын

I always wondered what happened to Wesley too! After becoming an important being and going away with the traveler, it’s great to see that he eventually came back to his roots, again.

@AgeBetterDotCom

3 жыл бұрын

In truth Star Trek has always been more about the human condition than spaceships or aliens. Gene Roddenberry used the backdrop of space to tell us stories about life and human nature, as well as using characters like Spock and Data to reflect on what it is to be human.

It's a shame the conversation between Picard and Data was cut. Star Trek is just as much about exploration of the human condition as it is about the shooty shooty bang bang that this film ended up being.

It's mindboggeling that THIS (especially the Data - Picard scene) was cut out of the movie, but that stupid desert buggy chase was kept in.

@meganaguiar8533

3 ай бұрын

It was a good chase.

@Thatslifebro_

3 ай бұрын

As far as i understand the Desert Buggy chase was Patrick Stewards wish, so it had to happen.

Watching the final scene with Picard and Data, having watched Picard season 3 (up to episode 6) really adds weight to this lovely conversation.

I really teared up when I heard "Picard's Theme" playing in the background. Such a sad, but beautiful song.

@justrosy5

2 жыл бұрын

("Inner Light")

@wyldelf2685

Жыл бұрын

That ancient Flute from the old alien probe , , the tune is a nautical shipping tune ,can't remember the original song name hmmm 🤔👍

@ralphralpherson9441

7 ай бұрын

@@wyldelf2685 It was actually composed for the episode "The Inner Light" by TV composer Jay Chattaway. It has been adapted and arranged for a full orchestra since. But it is an original tune written for the TNG series.

@wyldelf2685

7 ай бұрын

@@ralphralpherson9441 He definitely took credit for it , ,that much for sure

These scenes should have been in the film cause these actually does connect to the later series, Picard.

@JimmyNotes

3 жыл бұрын

It would actually be awesome to see some of these scenes recycled and potentially used as flashback scenes in "Picard"

@Ofuujin

3 жыл бұрын

Too bad this Picard is missing in the new series.

@DrWho7481

3 жыл бұрын

You are exactly right. While I do grow tired of the cliché, “the book is better than the movie,“ this post, which includes moments from the book, certainly prove the cliché correct.

@justrosy5

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, absolutely!!!

@justrosy5

2 жыл бұрын

@@JimmyNotes Yeah, I was thinking the same thing!

Your fan edits have really shown that this movie had a heart and soul that was left on the cutting room floor. I found the plot problematic (a human as Romulan praetor, an exact clone of Picard that looks nothing like him, etc), but your edits show that it really could have been a much better movie than it was.

@clauderobotham6261

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, how I agree that it could've been way better. I hated it because of the unexplained inconsistencies with the ending of the series: seeing Wesley in uniform after he quit Starfleet to join the Traveler, Riker and Troi together when the series ended with Troi and Worf getting together, and so on. And I too thought Picard's clone was ridiculous, and didn't like that the clone had the hots for Troi.

@SR-iy4gg

2 жыл бұрын

I've never understood the whole "looked nothing like him" thing. Yes, they're not really clones. They're two different actors, unrelated to each other. But I thought they DID look quite a bit like each other.

@peterschutzek325

Жыл бұрын

@@clauderobotham6261 Riker and Troi one can explain. in Insurrection they came back together. And Worf was with Dax, even married Jadzia.

@ChrisRoth1972

2 ай бұрын

This “cut”would have made Nemesis such a better movie.

The scene between Data in the Picard was very beautiful and very touching. I'm really sad that that hit the cutting room the floor.

Wow, I can't believe they omitted these wonderful scenes. The movie would have seemed so much more complete if they had just left them in.

I remember seeing an extra person in the white outfit at the table and thinking "Is that Wesley???" It's unfortunate they didn't explain why he came back considering he didn't want to be in Starfleet anymore. Would have made more sense for him to shimmer in like the traveller, crash the wedding, say "thanks for the memories" and shimmer out.

@justrosy5

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, he did - the cameras were just malfunctioning when he shimmered in and out :D :D :D

@andytay5507

Жыл бұрын

Nemesis was SO BAD that they failed to be consistent with Wesley as a Traveler.

@rickjohnston2667

Жыл бұрын

They tried to fix Wesley's character arc with the brief "cameo" at the end of Picard, Season 2, but it didn't really work. Too little, too late in my opinion. Too much time had elapsed between "Journeys End," when he left with the Traveler, and Picard, in my estimation.

I would love to see a full recut of this film with ALL the deleted scenes put back in. Fantastic work.

@michaelgreen6278

3 жыл бұрын

Zac Snyder... paging Zac Snyder... please report to Paramount.

@johnmontgomery2321

3 жыл бұрын

Seriously. Aren’t we like a year away from the 35th anniversary of TNG? What better celebration than longer cuts of all the movies. Paramount. Make it happen.

@chrisarseneault5617

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed! It would be nice to know why Wesley was vac in Starfleet

@justrosy5

2 жыл бұрын

Same!

@TheUnknownHarbingers

2 жыл бұрын

_Make it So_

As I experience certain sensory input patterns, my mental pathways become accustomed to them. The inputs eventually are anticipated and even missed when absent.

@keirfarnum6811

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Data. Your observations are noted.

What a shame. Best parts of the movie, DELETED. Thank you for putting it back together.

The flute from the inner light. Beautiful and perfect

4:19 A shiver ran down my spine when I heard that flute melody. That still gets me every single time…an episode for the ages… Why hasn’t this made it to the Final Cut?😫

OMG, this made me tear up. Especially the background music in the Picard/Data scene. I’ve watched this one clip four times in the past hour. Well done!!👍🏼🥰

The Chateau Picard scene is so good. It's like something from the series and a softer moment the movie really needed. It's like the best of the Spock/Kirk dialogue in Wrath of Khan or Undiscovered Country.

Ooo that was perfectly edited. It should have been done this way, to set up how much Data has learnt, but also to establish how much more he wants to learn. Contrast this to the whistling Data from Farpoint, it seems almost necessary that this scene have been included.

@alfonsogalvan9979

3 жыл бұрын

Especially playing Picard's flute sequence. That was a beautiful addition

@justrosy5

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!

@harcomou8395

Жыл бұрын

We all can thank Stuart Baird I guess. He obviously hates Trek.

It suddenly occurs to me, Data was probably set to be promoted to full Commander, and First Officer of the Enterprise. It makes perfect sense, and adds to the tragedy of his death.

@joshr8666

Жыл бұрын

I thought that was eluded to at the end of the movie? "Tyrannical tyrant who will never let me go on away missions"

@AlanDavidDoane

Жыл бұрын

No, there are deleted scenes that show the new first officer, played by the same actor who led the MACOs on Enterprise. Riker pranks him on his way out the door.

@joshr8666

Жыл бұрын

@@AlanDavidDoane thats true, but since that was a deleted scene Idk if it counts as to what was left in the movie.

It’s such a shame that scenes like this were cut. It gave the film more heart and the crew moving on. It would of wrapped up so many story arch’s and would of leed of beautifully for Picard and co. As much as this film wound me up as a Trekkie so much could of been added with so little and this proves it. The setting the music everything was perfect

Excellent stuff. Wesley's (speaking) appearance shouldn't have been removed from the final cut of the film, and you've reinserted it here in a seamlessly fluid way. The Picard/Data scene looks so much better with the resolution increased and the moving starfield in place of greenscreen; 'The Inner Light' theme was a nice touch as well (and had me nearly welling up), but I do feel that the music works best within the last 40-45 seconds of the video - given the quiet, personal nature of the conversation, editing music into a scene adds as much as it takes away, but that's what fan-cuts and experimentation is for (not a criticism btw :) ) On the whole, really well done Ben - I can't wait to see more work from you. :)

@johnfic4751

3 жыл бұрын

Things are cut for time. Some scenes at meaning and add gaps and complete the movie like these. Others do not.

@revksemi1962

3 жыл бұрын

Wesley's apperance didn't make any sense. He just gave up his adventures with the traveler? Wesley needed his own star trek movie. That would have been amazing!

@thewiirocks

3 жыл бұрын

That was not Wheaton’s best acting. Needed another take or two. He comes across as the angry douchebag that Wil Wheaton often plays in other roles (e.g. The Guild) rather than the wide-eyed kid who was fascinated by the universe around him. They could try to advance the Wesley character, in which case the delivery would make a bit more sense. But then they lines would need to be updated to match. Those lines were written for wide-eyed Wesley, not grizzled-veteran Wesley.

@wyldelf2685

Жыл бұрын

Nah Wesley was perfect , except he should have been in civilian clothes, , , remember he left Starfleet to evolve his mind with ""the TRAVELER"" from Tal Alpha C , , , it was kinda big deal episode of TNG , , ,😋👍👍

@CaptainBars

Жыл бұрын

@@wyldelf2685 That's the reason I think his scene was cut.

If this movie had had you editing it, it would have ended up being much more than it ever was. So many phenomenal moments we have seen through your edits that we didn’t see in the movie have been beautifully done by your work in your many videos. Thank you for sharing them with us.

We didn't get these wonderful, quiet character moments. But at least we got...a sweet dune buggy chase? Um...

@blazerocker1734

3 жыл бұрын

Insert Butthead saying "Dune buggies are cool" followed by Beavis saying "Yeah" and making engine noises and tire screeching sounds with his mouth.

@ChristopherPayneMUA

3 жыл бұрын

@@blazerocker1734 I feel like you just described the producers meeting...

@justrosy5

2 жыл бұрын

That was the '90s for ya. And yes, I miss the '90s!

You know it is one hell of a party, when the Klingon is the first one out.

You have both exceeded and improved upon your previous edit of the film's final scenes. Unfortunately, this does make the ending that much more tragic, but at least we get to see how Picard confides in Data, and how this movie serves as a nexus for the series where even the Captain has no idea where the future will take him (or at least, that's how it would have happened) I hope you find more tidbits and we can actually see what a great sendoff this movie could have been.

Thank you for taking the time to edit these scenes back in. It doesn't really fix the story, but it is interesting to see that some of the things missing were at least considered.

So, this would have been around when Jack 2 was conceived without Picard knowing.

This is what we expected from the films - more of the people we care about. The adventure is just setting, not the point. This was excellently done.

What a beautiful edit thank you for this. That scene with Picard and Data I think someone was cutting onions because I couldn't stop the water works. Holy heck this make season 1 and 3 of Picard make so much more sense too.

A heartfelt couple of scenes from the movie that were deleted. Thank you for editing this together and posting. They probably should have left in the scenes for the fans, especially Data's scene with Picard was touching and gave the movie extra depth.

This movie is really a Farewell to the crew. Will and Deanna are on the Titan along with Westley. Worf is still station on DS9. Crusher is going to Star Fleet Medical, Data died at the end of the movie. So all that is left is La Forge

@Tmccreight25Gaming

3 жыл бұрын

And Picard

@Agent-Nu11

3 жыл бұрын

I thought Worf was appointed by Starfleet to be ambassador to Kronos at the end of DS9 in the year 2375. Nemesis happens 4 years after DS9. I wonder if the writers retconned Worf's ending.

@thedarkprince305

3 жыл бұрын

@@Agent-Nu11 sometimes the Star Trek Timeline could off sometimes. A bunch of events could be happen around the same time. The Enterprise D and Voyager being trap in the Delta Quadrant happen in the same year. Sometimes the writers clear on the year

@oldtwinsna8347

Жыл бұрын

And now we learned Beverly goes into hiding for the next 20 years, away from Picard and the rest of the crew she worked with for a long time.

@mattb6369

Жыл бұрын

@@thedarkprince305 I think your timetable is off a bit, the Enterprise-D was put out of commission in Generations before the Voyager's launch from the Badlands to the Delta Quadrant.

Very nice additions. I like the Inner Light flute song in the background.

The music really helps the Picard/Data scene. Don’t know if the suits would have been willing to pay Jay Chattaway when they already have Jerry Goldsmith though.

What an amazingly satisfactory sequence! Its been 20 years since I saw that movie(and I found the wedding scene a bit corny), but the addition of the deleted scenes makes it much better, as well as your addition of the Inner Light. Thank you!

Ben, our sincere thanks for the effort you put into this post. I agree with those who suggests that some of these moments could be used in the Picard series.

a LOT of work went into making this vid, nicely put together.

Gorgeous! Touching & soulful. These relationships are an important aspect of Trek, for us as fans, & should have been kept in the film. Awesome idea - putting the whistle tune in, from the "virtual" family that Picard had ...for 20 minutes... Thank you!

4:17 - THAT background music was certainly appropriate with the topic Picard and Data were discussing.

Adding the Inner Light theme elevates the scene so much!

Thank you for posting this video, that was a really great scene at the end.

This got me right in the feels

Lovely, thanks for this fine work ❤

Nicely done. It really gives the appreciation for character that was missing in the film. A feeling of being a complete film

Great character moments.... ! THIS film needs massive restoration...

In many ways, thanks to data wanting to be the best of humanity. Picard kept his path true and didn't stray when diplomacy was the answer

There’s SO many deleted scenes that after that many years if could be awesome to add those to a full length edition.

With the lack of the explanation of Wesley withstanding, I liked it!

Wonderfully done. And as others have said, these scenes mean even more given what we've learned in Picard S3.

This is beautiful, thank you

Just watched Nemesis again yesterday. Seeing this edit is lovely. I really like these deleted scenes and others reincorporated into a full movie edit. My favourite are: - Worf's private chat with Picard about the dangerous situation they were entering into - the extended scene of Beverley and Picard where she reassures him he is not anything like Shinzon - Picard expressing how he felt realising Shinzon was a clone of himself The film was poorer without them, although the runtime might have been too long and so would have reduced cinema viewings and then profit for the film makers, I suppose. One thing about Picard and Data's conversation here that doesn't make full sense to me is Data's wonder at the 'confluence of emotion' - namely, the simultaneous expression of pleasure and sadness he observed at the wedding. This is odd to me considering he himself experienced this at the end of Generations when he found his cat Spot. He wondered then why he was happy to see Spot and yet crying. Troi explained that that was perfectly normal and so he would have understood that then. I'm sure in the 8 years between then and Nemesis he would have further grasped this reality and seen more 'confluences of emotion' in others and in his own emotions with his emotion chip. Oh well, a little nit-pick of mine....

@justrosy5

2 жыл бұрын

It's just the fact that writers, as great as they are, aren't perfect, so sometimes they miss things. It did make a good way to keep the scene moving along; I think that's what its real purpose was.

Great job 😊 A full fan edit of this movie would serve a good purpose.

There are some nice character moments here: Picard and Crusher seem couple-y here, which matches nicely with Picard Season 3. The scene with Picard and Data as well.

I wished they kept this scene. 6:55 Data noticing the end of space!!!

Thanks for that moment 😃🥲

That was very good. Thank you.

Also, the volume level of the otherwise bittersweet flute music detracts a little from the scene.

I wish they kept it in. Wesley Crusher made it after his academy mishaps.

Love this. They could have unfolded the latter scene in Picard but that's just a thought.

This film gets lots of flak but that shot of the E at 2:39 is so unbelievably iconic.

@ShearWater509

Жыл бұрын

Did you know the Enterprise E was specifically designed for the 16:9 movie theater aspect ratio, while the Enterprise D was specifically designed for the 4:3 typical television aspect ratio of its day?

@MrLommax

Жыл бұрын

Which is why they blew the D up in Generations.

@ShearWater509

Жыл бұрын

@@MrLommax You're right!

Adding "The Inner Light" theme after Data examines the flute was a masterstroke of directing. Well done. I wish they had left this in.... Beautiful music nonetheless, but true fans will get both the physical and emotional reference as Picard talks about "the passage of time". (( _In the episode "The Inner Light" Picard is "posessed" by a Ressikan probe and experiences 40 years of life on a primitive planet as a humanoid race. 40 years pass for him subjectively while only 25 minutes pass for the rest of the crew_ ))

This is absolutely fantastic! Have you ever considered making a full Extended Cut for Nemesis?

I found it interesting that Data was seemingly mimicking Picard's tasting of the wine, I would have thought that after serving on the Enterprise as long as he has Data would be familiar with this method of drinking wine.

Absolutely moving scene ! So sad she was cut...

I don't like the soft reset they did on Data in Nemesis. Even if his emotion chip failed or he decided to remove it permanently since Insurrection, he's still been around Picard and the crew long enough to not be so puzzled by Picard talking about the wine. Or to have to ask why Riker getting married and leaving the Enterprise is bittersweet.

@RossAllaire

3 жыл бұрын

Data's one of the most inconsistently written characters in all of Star Trek.

I love the use of the song Picard played on the Russican tin flute during his talk with Data. This was definitely a scene that should've been included, given the ending....

A fine edit.

Wow. I never knew about either of those deleted scenes, and knowing how the rest of the film (and *Picard*) goes, that second one hit like a truck.

theyre playing Picard's space flute arent they? very touching wow , that planet

Brilliant conversation between Picard and Data, very touching and should have been in the final film.

4:18 Good God! The background music! That was beautiful! 😢

Don't lie. The first thing you noticed was that they'll all standing too close together. 😱

Thank you...a much better ending...more fitting♥️

Data and Picard are so great together

Music from "The Inner Light" was a nice touch but I think could have been softer overall (I find it distracting as it is, almost fighting with the actors' dialog), and definitely should be a super slow crescendo from when it starts to the end of the scene.. still, gosh, if you read the script vs the movie we were given, what an even greater movie it would have been... Riker's "Don't worry, hell is dark" after he drops the Viceroy... anyway.. thanks for doing this!

I thought the addition of the flute theme from TNG’s episode ‘inner light’ was wonderful touch and helped to solidify the sentiment that Captain Picard was trying to convey to Data. Huge shame it ended up on the cutting room floor.

It's too bad they had to cut the scene of Picard and Data drinking wine and making toasts it really was a great scene.

Watching Picard Season 3 gives this fanedit new weight.

WELL DONE

This is an excellent precursor to Picard.

We now know that Picard and Beverly did the Horizontal Mambo this very night! #JackCrusher

3:58 - 4:03 one of the best, funniest Data moments in the whole run.

So bazaar the Brent elected to kill Data off regardless of age! Superb and underrated actor!

I hope they include these scenes in Picard season 3 as a flashback.

The scene with Picard and Data sums up the entire TNG series. How on earth would a director cut that?

@geoffwilliams4478

Жыл бұрын

Lack of storytelling ability.

The thing I always hated about the wedding part of the movie is that we only got a few seconds of Brent (Data) singing. I really, really wish that part had been a little longer. Most songs are only a couple minutes long anyway, so it's not like it would have added a huge amount to the length of the movie.

@iainclarke524

Жыл бұрын

I'm slightly disappointed he didn't go for Oye Como Va.

Damn good. Thanks

Excellent edit, I get why they cut these scenes though. Picard and Data’s discussion is touching, but strange. I can’t believe that decades on the Enterprise, after years of having his emotion chip he would be asking why Picard would be sad with Riker and Troy leaving. With the nature of missing someone’s presence. It feels like a fitting conversation to be had in the earlier movies, like Generations. Data is much more wisened in Nemesis and this always felt out of place.

I really really Love it Data and Picard! The NEXT Generation legacy

great to watch nice job😝😍🤩😛❤❤❤

Picard is basically Datas loving father. Simply put

If only both Data and Picard knew what was ahead for them both. The last scene here is why I love Star Trek.

I've heard they filmed the entire Blue Skies song. Wish we had the whole thing.

This is especially poignant now that we know what happens with Star Trek Picard. Data died, Picard and Beverly never got together, Picard quit Starfleet, so much potential that never happened.

@emdee7744

3 жыл бұрын

Glad that Beverly & Picard got together in the books, even had a son. I wish they did more with THAT timeline, instead of the new one they are shoving at us.

@justrosy5

2 жыл бұрын

We don't know - perhaps there's hope for Jon Luc and Beverly yet? Timey-wimey things happening in Picard and the announcement of the return of the TNG cast in addition to the regular Picard crew for Ssn. 3, makes me wonder if perhaps there's hope yet for the two of them. Ok, he was interested in Laris, but Prime Laris was talking about leaving before he was called back into service to the Federation, and it seems her body was somehow taken over and brought back in time, in the events leading up to the divergence in the timelines, and the entity in her body doesn't know who Laris is... Anyway, my point is, it sounds like Picard isn't going to wind up with Laris. So, perhaps he and Beverly will wind up together after all. In any event, this cut scene between him and Data fits so perfectly with the Picard series! I'd really like to see if perhaps they use it as a memory of his, sometime during Ssn. 3.

@shirlthegirl631

Жыл бұрын

@@emdee7744 , give it some time 😊

man this data and picard scene would've made data's death go from being a punch in the gut to a quantum torpedo to the gut.

in the countdown comics data does become captain of the enterprise

This was better than the actual movie.

Nice job. They never got the balance right after First Contact. Too many scenes like this in Insurrection. Not enough of them in Nemesis. I do like Picard S3 though. Pretty rad through 6 eps.

Nice edits. However, it only makes sense in hindsight knowing that this was their "final" movie outing. The added scenes would have made future movies difficult to get the band back together. They've all said that at the time, none of the knew that this would be the last movie for them.

I love this movie.