One of the bigger surprises in the episode for me was the revelation that Mariner in her pre-trauma cadet days was basically Tendi.

@podemosurss8316

8 ай бұрын

Perhaps that's one of the reasons why they became friends so quickly

@Tuaron

8 ай бұрын

It really made sense to me, given how much of a secret nerd she is (which is why she bonded so well with the others) combined with the trauma that explains her push/need to be badass.

@theotakux5959

8 ай бұрын

I felt like she had some Boimler in there, too.

@drp164

8 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing.

@dashfatbastard

8 ай бұрын

Aren't we all?

The Cali class is supposed to be the tractor of starfleet, with powerful warpengines and tractor beams to safely transport stuff at relatively high warp What a blast to see them use that to their advantage with the orion rust bucket

@chacaf22

8 ай бұрын

I see the Lamborghini of the trucks in this episode, 👌

@jadoubleyou

8 ай бұрын

That was a thrilling sequence. One of the earliest things McMahan said about the Cali class was that it was built for towing, but we've hardly seen the Cerritos towing ships until this big moment.

@rocketguardian2001

8 ай бұрын

The Boimler maneuver.

@bthsr7113

7 ай бұрын

@@jadoubleyou We did see two towing a massive colony ship, and the Cerritos did catch an Excelsior.

@Chiron84

7 ай бұрын

@@bthsr7113 The USS Archimedes is an Obena class starship, which makes it more impressive as the Obena is larger than the Excelsior.

Beckett managed to turn the tables on Locarno and Nova Fleet… without firing a single shot. That definitely helped her mother out in that she didn’t get chewed out for her actions on top of opening a dialogue with Orion. And that line from Beckett before the ending: “I feel like I’m really am back for the first time in a while.” That stuck with me, as did her declaration that she’ll try to avoid self-sabotage in the future. She’s finally taking steps towards her future, having made peace with Sito’s death. And quite possibly, we will see a slow return of the idealistic, wide-eyed person that she used to be, before Sito’s death and the Dominion War broke her down. But my heart definitely broke with Tendi’s departure. But I just know that she won’t be gone for long.

Freeman's response to Mariner fighting back and stealing G.D. ("Atta girl.") really got me. Further demonstration of her own character development.

@xanderfulton3186

8 ай бұрын

And their bond

@theotakux5959

8 ай бұрын

It was nice that she didn't jump to conclusions when she saw her on his bridge. I think season one Freeman would have instantly assumed she was working with him until she reveals she isn't. Season 4 Freeman didn't say a thing until seeing Mariner fight back.

@drp164

8 ай бұрын

@@theotakux5959 That is because Mariner was the bait for Locarno.

Of course Mariner memorized her mother's command codes. I'm amused that was how she was able to steal the Starfleet ship Locarno had.

@LexYeen

8 ай бұрын

And of course it would match her voice now to her mom's voice as of the last time its computer was updated. No sarcasm, it just _works._

@colonelquack

8 ай бұрын

She memorized it and has never used the code before, right? ...Right?

@emilymarriott5927

8 ай бұрын

​@@colonelquack It's the 24th century starfleet equivalent of memorizing your parents signatures. I'm sure you know the answer to that.

@jeffr.1681

8 ай бұрын

Also, it's a Stardate, so probably a birthday. Starfleet password security hasn't improved much since James "000ZZA" Kirk's time. Backsliding, even.

The Boimler/Rutherford "he looks like Tom Paris" bit was hilarious. But I lost it when they re-did the TwinTwain bit and then at the end, they still don't like each other and are only civil when Twin Twaining. I thought the hiding in the asteroids was a nod to the asteroid scene from Empire Strikes Back - especially with the Romulan ship decloaking which is a similar sort of way Boba Fett hides in the junk that's dumped by the Star Destroyer.

@niamhfox9559

8 ай бұрын

The way Locarno's ship rotates in it's first appearances made me think it was a direct reference to how Slave 1 moves.

The even better dig at all-white starship design was in the last episode, where Mariner immediately upon waking up on Locarno's ship exclaims: "What in the minimalist hell?!" Which honestly sent me. So good! 😄

They should've named this episode "The Wrath of Locarno", they practically remake "The Wrath of Khan" in this episode. I hoped Tendi absence in season 5 will be short, but I'm hoping that will have more T'Lyn focus episodes next season.

@Tuaron

8 ай бұрын

While I hope it isn't too long, I want Tendi away from the Cerritos at least two or three episodes (unless the premiere focuses almost entirely on her) just so we can really dig into that situation and not squander a major status shift (it did feel a bit like that happened with the Boimler-joining-the Titan shift).

@Denflexi

8 ай бұрын

I think the only reason why they didn't was because they didn't want anyone catching up on the season to be spoiled by the twist. Though in a non-spoilery way, the title they chose was a great nod to Wrath of Khan.

@transcendkira

8 ай бұрын

Well, just as no one specified the condition of the Orion battleship, no one specified the time for which Tendi would be bound to her Sister's house.

@quiestinliteris

8 ай бұрын

​@@transcendkira"I said I would come back; I never said I would stay."

@erikabloodaxe2581

8 ай бұрын

I hope T’Lyn end Tendi date, at least a bit

Captain Freeman's speech to the crew that she was flouting Star Fleet orders to go after Mariner, and every single crew member rallying behind her; I loved that moment so much. That scene brought out so many things. 1) Freeman pulled the kind of lower deck allegiance that Lacarno was only pandering to. 2) It showed us exactly where Mariner got her rebellious streak. 3) It demonstrated how any character of any rank can be the focal point of a scene, but the spirit of the scene is "Lower Decks".

@AdamEspersona

7 ай бұрын

And 4) This was the Cerritos crew’s redemption arc for how they treated Mariner in the previous season. This time around, they’re racing to get her back without hesitation.

22:56 Boimler was trusting his crew knew what to do. He didn’t need to manage them or do more so than just bark orders. He did nothing himself but lead. That’s how I read the scene. The Cerritos was yet another starship manned entirely by lower Deckers. All of the bridge crew went on the Captains yacht. Making the Cerritos on par with the ships of Nova Fleet. It’s amazing.

My biggest complaint is the lack of grapplers. Was expecting the shuttle from ep 7 (?) to be make an appearance.

@GSBarlev

8 ай бұрын

We did see Goodgey though

@AzaleaJane

8 ай бұрын

Grapplers yes, AND gropplers!

@jadeceridwen93

8 ай бұрын

​@@ChrisSearsKYthey were, twice!

I'm surprised you didn't notice the whole ice hiding thing was the finale of Titan AE, up to and including what happened to create Planet Bob.

@sheldonpetrie3706

8 ай бұрын

I saw this as well, so cool to see some Titan AE appreciation.

@Mourtzouphlos240

8 ай бұрын

That popped straight into my head when I saw it!

@MuffinHunterX

8 ай бұрын

One of my favorite movies. Still find it hard to believe it didn't do well in the box office.

@transcendkira

8 ай бұрын

With the whole planet creation device and the how their ships moved and hid through the ice crystals in that scene this was exactly my thought too!! It just looked so alike.

@ForbinsColossus

8 ай бұрын

I came here to say this. I’m glad someone remembers Titan AE

Can we just love that the Steamrunner is getting some much needed LOVE 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

@LexYeen

8 ай бұрын

It is apparently a much smaller "Saberunner" class made explicitly for Lower Decks - but it started in _concept_ form as a Steamrunner, only being changed when that idea was nixed due to the sheer size of the Steamrunner hull.

2:58 Tendi is yours?!? I demand! *Standom by combat!* Seriously, though, it's always great when I finish watching an ep and see that your review is already up. And I can't believe they got Shannon Fill to come back. I cried when I heard her voice and again when the credits showed her name. Also: to your point about Nova Fleet becoming a force for good (and trying to recruit Seven of Nine) could it be that Nova Fleet becomes the Fenris Rangers?

Maybe leaving Boimler as Acting Captain was a decision made because of his lower ranking. You put your number one as captain, if they get court martial they could lose their career. Boimler as junior could still use the "just following orders" defense.

@Brasswatchman

8 ай бұрын

I suspect Ransom suggested him for the job.

The ship wasn't an Akira-Class, it's the Steamrunner-Class. Same time period, but a bit different. Glad to see other ships get some fun screentime. Also, Caitian in the Starfleet Academy background.

@cassandradistin9699

8 ай бұрын

Steamrunner? I thought it was a Saber. They do have similar profiles though

@MrTbk1701

8 ай бұрын

I love the Steamrunner class. I have one from Eagle Moss when I saw it on screen I was like yes✌️

@salenstormwing

8 ай бұрын

@@cassandradistin9699 Saber has the nacelles underslung at the saucer tips and a small secondary hull, while the Steamrunner has nacelles integrated with the body of the saucer + a deflector dish mounted between the nacelles similar to the Cerritos'. Both were designed to beat up Borg, but they have very different design elements.

@MicahSps

8 ай бұрын

The Ballista/ Catapult of Armada 2 baby!

@claytonberg721

8 ай бұрын

Thanks, I thought it was an Akira.

16:04 Tendi 2 tricked Tendi with a stipulation saying she never said what condition the ship had to be in. Tendi never said how long she was gonna stay. Only that she’d come back. I’m guessing that’s her get out of Orion free card next season.

I don't know if they will make it explicit in future episodes, but Nova Fleet seemed like it might be the beginning of what becomes the Fenris Rangers.

@ffreed

8 ай бұрын

Actually, that’s an interesting idea. All those Nova Fleet people likely feel like they’ve burned their bridges with their respective organizations. Even if most of them might scatter and go into hiding, at least a few might stick together and decide to do some much-needed good in the outer reaches.

@GSBarlev

8 ай бұрын

Especially with that line about them attempting to recruit Seven of Nine and Beverly Crusher (who was at least _friendly_ with the Rangers at various times).

@Brasswatchman

8 ай бұрын

You really think that pack of schlubs has it in them to survive to 2382, much less past 2387? I'd be surprised, that's all.

@ffreed

8 ай бұрын

@@Brasswatchman I dunno, I thought the episode was clear that Locarno’s shoddy leadership was the problem, not the rest of the fleet.

@Brasswatchman

8 ай бұрын

​@@ffreed I'm not so sure. They kinda all struck me as a bunch of conniving, self-serving jackasses, to be honest.

I had a feeling that Tendi might be on a secret mission for starfleet while on Orion. The way the admiral spoke about her and the way Freeman took her off to talk to her away from her friends makes me think that something else is going on. Black opps Science officer Tendi for the win!

@KentuckyKaiju

8 ай бұрын

Don’t forget the music playing at the end is Tendi’s pirate theme from the DS9 episode. Whatever she’s walking into, Tendi’s definitely got this.

@Tuaron

8 ай бұрын

I'm not entirely sure it'll be black ops, but I wouldn't be surprised if Freeman/Starfleet has asked her to work on smoothing the path for better relations with Orions (while keeping an eye on the growing crime syndicates).

@niamhfox9559

8 ай бұрын

"The Cleaner"

The episode gave us Rule of Acquisition 91, "your boss is only worth what he pays you". I don't know what working class Ferengi managed to smuggle that rule into the list, but they're a hero in my book.

@ffreed

8 ай бұрын

Maybe it’s a new addition by Grand Nagus Rom?

@DennisEngelhard

8 ай бұрын

@@ffreed That was my first thought too, but #91 is pretty low, that must be an older one.

@bethaltair812

8 ай бұрын

I'm guessing bribery. I'm sure it wasn't cheap.

@LexYeen

8 ай бұрын

@@bethaltair812 No matter the personal cost, it was still a worthwhile investment on the part of working-class Ferengi everywhere to this day. His name may be forgotten, but that's probably just because he couldn't afford to pay the historians to write it down.

@kaitlyn__L

8 ай бұрын

It's basically a synthesis of "Every Ferengi has his price" and "Loyalty seldom comes cheap". While it can certainly be spun in a pro-worker way, it's just as much a warning to bosses to stay ahead of their competition. Just like many other Rules of Acquisition, it reifies the duality of the worker-boss relationship - simultaneously presenting as tips for climbing the business ladder for underlings, and as tips for repressing workers for the bosses. They've certainly never shied-away from admitting the exploitative nature of their business dealings! "We don't want to end the exploitation, we want to become the exploiters"; after all. Quark never claims everyone gets a fair deal, he says "you have to assume the other guy is swindling you". Zek proudly proclaimed, at a meeting of his top financial advisors, that they don't intend to keep-up their end of the contract with Gamma Quadrant trading partners even briefly.

I felt like Boimler was there, not a higher ranked officer, for that seconds of confusion from the fleet, if Ransom was there the admiral would have known him, gone straight to the point but putting an 'unknown' officer in the chair with no one there as a landmark, when the villain plot was calling for mutinies, gives either side contracting the ritos, a second of not knowing, that they need for the plan?

I really like Nick’s plan less so as an honest attempt at anarchism and more what it is; his own Star Fleet. He made his own Star Fleet, with Romulans and Black Jack. And it’s made up of powers that oppose Star Fleet, kinda like an Injustice League of Star Trek, which is just such a cool idea. It’s a shame the whole enterprise (heh) dissolved before given a chance to do anything truly nefarious, but maybe Nova Fleet comes back in a meaningful way, who knows.

@darlhiatt8136

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, same, it was pretty cool how even an evil former Starfleet officer turned villain like Locarno was great at coalition building, turning one of humanities greatest strengths in that universe to nefarious ends. If he had been humble enough to accept correction Locarno could have made an amazing officer.

Interestingly, during the flashback, we can see that just prior to the fateful events of “The First Duty”, Mariner was a second-year cadet, as indicated by the two pips on her collar. Meaning that due to that episode’s events, she and Sito ended up in the same grade. Sito still graduated ahead of her, which means that Mariner would have been fresh out of the academy as well upon hearing about Sito’s death. And then 2-3 years later… the Dominion War.

@claudiadarling9441

8 ай бұрын

I'm really looking forward to see Mariner next season working on reintigrating that pre war version of herself. Not that she can or should go back to being exactly like how she was at the academy, but... I want her to be able to integrate Warrior Mariner and Science Geek Mariner. Interesting, Mariner and Tendi are in some ways echos of each other.

@GSBarlev

8 ай бұрын

Doesn't Sito or Locarno explicitly call her a first-year? I'm also not feeling sanguine about the theory that Mariner grew up on the _D_ given that she and Wesley seem to have *zero* relationship.

@MsPowellfamily

8 ай бұрын

@@GSBarlevHer mom could have been stationed there after Wesley left.

@GSBarlev

8 ай бұрын

@@MsPowellfamily No, there's a specific scene in Season 1 of _TNG_ that has a young girl who *I* believe to be Mariner. She apparently shows up later in the show as well taking a martial arts class that Worf is teaching.

@Brasswatchman

8 ай бұрын

But Sito explicitly said Mariner was a first-year student.

This episode makes me want to see Boimler and Mariner both captaining sister ships cos theyre both so captainy but I dont want them separated

@DDarkestKnight

8 ай бұрын

That's how I imagine the series finale will be. As amazing as they are together they're too awesome for one of them to become a Ransom. They should captain their own ships

@Tuaron

8 ай бұрын

@@DDarkestKnightI could see either serving as the other's number 1/best friend, but it does feel like 3/4 of the main characters are heading for captaincy (yes, Tendi, too).

@basilofgoodwishes4138

8 ай бұрын

​@@DDarkestKnightBut what about Picard S3? Will they survive this or die?

@TheMotlias

8 ай бұрын

@@basilofgoodwishes4138 theyd not be effected by it, LD happens not long after voyager ends so its still like 20 years away and they already have fully developed brains

@GSBarlev

8 ай бұрын

Boimler will be one Heck of a captain. I see him captaining an Odyssey or similar multirole flagship on a deep space mission of exploration. Mariner, on the other hand, has a unique talent for getting things done: pissing off the people who need to be pissed off, inspiring and empowering the people who need a boost, and generally not just cutting through BS but _warping_ it to be a force for good. In short: I see her destined for the *admiralty.*

This season was insanely good. Holy crap. Lower Decks goes hard.

Nick Locarno in this episode is essentially Megatron. An egotistical seeker of glory and power masquerading as a champion of the working class

@claudiadarling9441

8 ай бұрын

A tale as old as time, unfortunately.

@Brasswatchman

8 ай бұрын

Bingo bango bongo.

@godking

7 ай бұрын

Depends on the incarnation of Megatron. In most current continuities Megatron started out as an idealistic rebel who had legitimate reasons to rebel but became corrupted over time.

@Cdr2002

7 ай бұрын

@@godking I’m aware of the differences so I went with a generalized summary. Personally, I think the backslide into fascism proves that he was never as altruistic as he claimed in universes where he has no outright redemption

@johnhickey6031

7 ай бұрын

Josh: "I don't think we should attempt the Korvold Starburst, Nick." Nick: "DO AS I COMMAND!!"

You know, spending part of a season separated might be the nudge Tendi and Rutherford need to finally acknowledge their feelings for one another.

@GSBarlev

8 ай бұрын

Not that I'm 💯 against the Ship¹, but I personally read the two of them as in a QPR (queerplatonic relationship). ¹I actually used to be a _Tenler_ shipper, but not so much after this season.

@Tuaron

8 ай бұрын

@@GSBarlevTendi/Boimler? I thought that's where things were going in episode 1, maybe 2 or 3 (talking season 1 here), but not since Tendi & Rutherford connected early on.

@GSBarlev

8 ай бұрын

@@Tuaron Yeah. In Season 2 when he saves her from being a scorpion, that's when I became convinced they belonged together. It took me ta few seasons to cool to the idea.

@MalzraAirwynn

8 ай бұрын

@@GSBarlevI can see that and certainly wouldn't be against it. There are little moments though where Tendi seems to get jealous in a way that makes me lean towards it being romantic but at the moment clueless. But we'll see.

@Brasswatchman

8 ай бұрын

Maybe? That said, if it happens, it may or may not resemble a traditional romance. Either way, I figure it'll be fun to see.

After so much in the news it’s refreshing to have watched Lower Decks and watching JESSIE ˋs review. Btw do whatever positive action you can to save the children and help those suffering out there. In addition, take healthy breaks. 🖖🏽

Rank wise, I agree it makes little sense that boimler gets the helm Realistically.... He's one of the best friends of the captains daughter and has proven himself time and again, so... Its nepotism, sure, but freeman is already breaking direct orders, so that's not a big difference anymore

@Brasswatchman

8 ай бұрын

I feel like Ransom also specifically recommended him for it. Besides, the captain can leave whoever she wants in charge. That's apparently how it works in the US Navy too.

Absolutely my favorite LD finale... Among a lot of big things in this episode, Rutherford and Boimler's back and for about Locarno looks similar to Tom Paris was hilarious to me. That approach of "nothing is saint and let's have fun" is for me Lower Deck's important character trait.

The Tom Paris Boimler/Rutherford exchange...best moment of the entire episode for me

I really think this has been my favourite LD season so far and my favourite finale, I'm not sure how I'm going to endure the wait for S5!

the i feel the captain want her A team to rescue her daughter so she took all the high rank officers, the reaosn why she choose Boimler is because the mission itself for him was very simple, he just need to be sure the big orion ship hit the shield, but the Captain also need to be sure that the person in charge would follow the mission not matter what, not even if Start Fleet high command tell them to stop. Boimler is Mariner's best friend, the captain know that nothing would stop him

@emilylewis5373

4 ай бұрын

He has the perfect balance of break the rules, but not go to far.

This was epic. I laughed so hard when they brought back the Twain bit. Boimler in the captains chair was great. Mariner was a badass without firing a shot. I love that Freeman got to have her own going rogue moment, every series needs one of those. Tendi better come back soon. Loved her last moment ready to take charge.

I'm really glad that this season finally gave us a answer on what cause Mariner's odd behavior and lost confidences. The death of her's Sito Jaxa and the stressed of The Dominion really effect Mariner in a negative way.🤔

What really annoys me about Starfleet writers is the fact that so many characters are allowed to bypass the academy, and lower ranks like Kirk in 2009, Seven and Picard's son. Everyone else has to do four years at the academy. It was good to see that Wesley attended the academy, even though he was on the bridge of the Enterprise for a while.

What I like is that they are doing what I feared they would not do, advance the characters careers and experiences so that by the end of the show they will be saying goodbye to the Lower Decks, but we know they have earned it.

WOOOO! That's how you do a season finale. I laughed, I cheered, I applauded. I even got misty at the end. Also the music was intense. They scored it like a movie.

My wife actually squeed when she saw Boimler as Acting Captain. Not just that he got to he a Captain, but that he got to do it while rescuing Mariner.

The ice field sequence reminded me of Titan AE, which has a near identical cat and mouse sequence in an ice field in space.

I cannot BELIEVE they put a paywall on the [spoilers], that's the most freakin' Ferengi thing ever! Also, MEEGLIMO, SIDESTEP, DAMN IT!

Never thought we'd see Locarno again. I love how Lower Decks brings back those characters who only appeared once and continue their stories. The scene at the Academy was great and seeing the Josh character before his death added alot to the story. Looking forward to seeing what Tendi has planned after the wicked smile she gave at the end of the episode

Edit: I was wrong, it is apparently a much smaller "Saberunner" class made explicitly for Lower Decks - but it started in _concept_ form as a Steamrunner, only being changed when that idea was nixed due to the sheer size of the Steamrunner hull. But they still used the captain's yacht!

I think with Tendi, she's gonna spend season 5 trying to oust her sister from the Orion government and use her position to get Orion to join the Federation. Especially since the Admiral when talking to Capt. Freeman said "you managed to open diplomatic relations with the Orions", hinting that there would be more to come on that front. But I could be very wrong. idk really, just a thought.

@Brasswatchman

8 ай бұрын

Even if she did oust D'Erika (which I'm not so sure about), she'd only control one Syndicate family out of who knows how many. Also, there's kind of some outstanding issues that might hold up Orion membership? Like the whole slavery/trafficking in sentients deal?

@XOXFilmStudio

8 ай бұрын

@@Brasswatchman no one said it'd be easy. Hell, that's why they'd dedicate a whole season to it.

@Brasswatchman

8 ай бұрын

@@XOXFilmStudio (shrug) You could be right. Guess we'll see.

About Boimler being in command, this has precedent. Ignoring silliness if Tilly as first officer, leaving a Lt JG command was lifted directly from TNG. In the Arsenal of Freedom, Picard specifically leaves Geordi, who as a Lt JG and at the helm, in command. It even causes friction with the chief engineer. Boimler was at the helm and was left in charge by Freeman. Keep in mind that she also wanted someone that would surprise Command when they tried to order them to turn around.

The ship Mariner stole was Steamrunner class, the one that doesn't show up very much after First Contact because of some issue with the CGI models

@AdamEspersona

8 ай бұрын

No, that's the Norway class that ends up being practically non-existant after FC. But she DID take a Steamrunner, though. The USS Passaro.

@tjzambonischwartz

8 ай бұрын

@@AdamEspersonaYeah, Steamrunner has been seen a bunch in the last couple years on Picard, Prodigy, and now this.

@LexYeen

8 ай бұрын

It is apparently a much smaller "Saberunner" class made explicitly for Lower Decks - but it started in _concept_ form as a Steamrunner, only being changed when that idea was nixed due to the sheer size of the Steamrunner hull.

@AdamEspersona

8 ай бұрын

@@LexYeen It's just as confusing as the Sombra-class being just a slightly different Connie.

@LexYeen

8 ай бұрын

​@@AdamEspersonaAgreed. I feel like they're intentionally poking us ship nerds here. 🤣

This might be the best season finale of Star Trek ever. Mariner's arc, specifically in these past 2 episodes has been phenomenal. I love the little detail that she's memorized her mom's clearance codes, almost like a teenager would memorize their parent's credit card number.

For me the hiding in the ice was straight from the DS9 episode Treachery, Faith and the Great River, when Odo and Weyoun are hiding from the Dominion , before Weyoun kills himself to save Odo.

I was happy that Boimler got to be acting captain! I agree it felt a bit contrived, but I was still happy for the dude. I thought it was both sweet and weird that Mariner was personifying the Genesis Device. And of course, the paywall was a LOL moment. Loved the double-fakeout with Dr. Migleemo. Sad that Rutherford is separated from his best friend. Even the things that brought him joy won't be the same. Looking forward to what they do with Tendi, and I'm glad to hear they've got at least one more season.

This was SUCH a great episode! Boims getting to do the captain stance was a delight, and the whole Titan AE / Mutara Nebula mashup at the end was just so much fun to watch. They even lifted whole musical stings and shot compositions straight from Wrath of Khan, which I absolutely loved. So many great character moments, too, with T'Lynn leaving her old boss on read, the return of Twaining, Billups standing up for the Cerritos, Freeman rallying everyone behind her to save Mariner, the Tom Paris conversation… ah, so good. And I really just want to know what Tendi's going to get up to next season, because she definitely seems to have some kind of ulterior motive being hinted at in that final shot of her.

If you were a fan of Titan AE, you recognized the callback to the ice field chase.

Aw man this was a great if bittersweet finale that did what a good season finale did by calling back, continuing, and wrapping up earlier season plot points. Really does feel like the end yet beginning with a number of plot and character moments. As far as finales go this can easily be a contender for LD's best one I think. Am mixed on Locarno's full turn to villainy. On paper his motivation makes sense but the fact is that he got into this situation because of his own ego and fault for getting Cadet Albert killed. Then again I suppose his motivation makes sense to himself like many villains. Him getting his own planet named after him and getting to perform the starburst in that explosion is fittingly poetically iffy and questionably validating. Wheaton returning as Wes in the flashback was great, but the retired Shannon Fill briefly returning to reprise Sito was completely unexpected.

@Tuaron

8 ай бұрын

Definitely agree on that first point: this really did bring the season together, using threads from the various episodes - it's exactly what I like to see in a season finale.

That's a valid point about the Boimler arc, but I will just say that Harry Kim got to be in command a few times on Voyager and Boimler outranks him. (Also this comment is just a joke please don't take it as anything else xD)

I think the credits are different because Macmahn (sp?) has said these last two episodes are kind of a Lower Decks movie. I had wondered if Mariner was a few years behind Sito and Wesley. I loved how starry-eyed Mariner was, Sito was the reason she went to the academy. They managed to compound the Paris/Locarno similarity where BOTH of them have designed a new ship design!

Underrated meta moment, but I love that the writers _finally_ had the courage to add a _completely_ new Rule of Acquisition - #91, “Your boss is only worth what he pays you.” Until now, every rule mentioned in new Trek was already pre-established (though #8 was in unofficial material prior to being confirmed in LD S4, E6, “Parth Ferengi’s Heart Place”).

This episode had a narrative composed entirely from easter eggs so masterfully done that I think we achieved literature. Think about it. If it had biblical allusions instead of speculative fiction allusions we would have been forced to study it in school. Freeman pulled a Kirk and left purple Checkhov in charge.

Nick really should have joined The Marquis. Nick's skillful planning with Nova Fleet was very impressed. Nick joining The Marquis would have been a huge changer for the rebel group.🤔

@Brasswatchman

8 ай бұрын

Meh. Locarno's the type who wants a personality cult, not a cause. I doubt it would've worked out.

'Romulans are famously forgiving, right?'

The chase through the ice field reminds of a similar sequence in Titan A.E. 😁

@PrinceGastronome

8 ай бұрын

Boom. I knew someone would say it. It was not similar. They were directly taking from that sequence

@Mark_o_Helm

8 ай бұрын

@@PrinceGastronome and Jessi made an answer video to comments about Titan A.E. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Billups and Tendi have such similar back grounds. I really hope that they lean into that Rebellious Scion connection in Tendi's return to the Cerritos. The Ferengi Paywall on the bomb just plain stunned me in its obvious brilliance.

Apparently one of the things that streaming services look for is not just a one time watch, but rewatches and how fast people go through episodes. I remember that's what Gaiman was saying regarding The Sandman over at Netflix😊

@GSBarlev

8 ай бұрын

That makes my feel like I'm doing some good-I just binged through _Discovery_ S02 and then bounced around re-watching a bunch of random TNG-era episodes. IMO the main reason I can justify my P+ subscription is having access to (almost) all of Trek in one place.

I loved this season! Strong finale to end on. I really like how all the characters evolved during this season too. I'm not worried about Tendi. She'll be back.

@Sophias_booktube

8 ай бұрын

as they say if they look back they be back and you saw tendi saying you got this, maybe thats why she and rutherford never was like bf and gf maybe she new something, I mean her hug at the end with rutherford she looks like she wispered something and with the admiral saying orian well to me orian seems to be poping up more so maybe tendi know something I think she will be back. she better be or im writing to who ever hired her and convicing her to come back, me chants we want tendi we want tendi.

The episode was also a great lesson about leadership. Boimler spends the season learning to accept his orders may put his crew at risk. Locarno puts his crew at risk without properly warning them and for selfish reasons. Then Captain Freeman goes rogue and explicitly tells her crew she is doing so, what the consequences for assisting her will be, and offers to let them leave.

I loved this episode. I am sad that there are no more episodes to watch this season. I miss the days when TV shows would produce more that 10 episodes. I am glad that there is a season 5 coming.

My gut feeling on Tendi is that her going back to the family business will end up in a "Ransom of Red Chief"/Pity the Kidnapper - situation, possibly with D'Erika saying to Starfleet, "Just take her back already!!!" by the second or third ep of the next season....

@trekman10

7 ай бұрын

I personally hope Tendi acts hurt that her sister took what she loved (starfleet, science, and uh....Rutherford 😏) away from her. Her sister was so mad at her for being forced into the position of leader but not she's committing a similar wrong on Tendi

I liked it, I just wish that they'd thrown out a line of dialogue explaining where Locarno got all of this ridiculously powerful technology, like "Oh yeah, I found this ancient abandoned space station and my Trynar friends got its Solar System shields up and running." Also, my headcanon is that the surviving members of Nova Fleet go on to form the Fenris Rangers from Star Trek: Picard.

@jmarquiso

8 ай бұрын

I wish he was reintroduced earlier in the season, or Sito or Wes tho

@Brasswatchman

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, Locarno did seem to have a lot of neat toys, didn't he?

Mariner hiding in the ice reminded me of Treachery, Faith, and the Great River

Mariner telling everyone watching the message that he was a selfish jerk was great. Then running off we the Genesis Device. This episode had a bunch of great little bits.

As a philosophical anarchist, just drooooooooling! You just put it so well, it shows that you know what you're talking about.

Lower Decks is such a lovingly and masterfully crafted show. Under the guise of parody it really brings the Trek universe down to "Earth.". For decades we see the bombastic and idealistic side of Starfleet, of how we want to be. Lower Decks is much more grounded to how us, as 21st century humans, would most likely behave in space. Hard to not chant "Lower Decks" along with our favorite crew!

One little thing we got right up front is Jerry O'Connell reviving the classic "And now the conclusion" voice-over. I loved that so much, and that they chose him to do it. I loved this episode a ton, for all the reasons Jessie talks about here. A lot of character moments felt earned. There were plenty of thrilling action sequences that all served a purpose in driving the plot forward. Seeing the Cerritos actually using its tractor beam for a massive haul was a long-overdue treat, as was the captain's yacht. Was disappointed we didn't get a scene resolving the stranded crews' storyline from last episode. So much time was spent building up to the moment Mariner and Tendi unite them, it doesn't feel like we got enough payoff for it. Ma'ah doesn't even get a mention in this episode, from what I could tell.

I loved too seeing mariner in her own captain-esque role.

I really wish we could get a show based on Ursula Le Guin's Hain universe where we have examples of non-heirarchical spaceship crews like in her "The Shobies Story" #ChurtenTheory

this season was probably the most held back by only being ten episodes of this series so far.

The writing of this show is just phenomenal! They can pack more action, heart, plot, and character development into 30 minutes than whole seasons of other recent genre fare.

Tendi has the ability to call black mascara on command. lol

The Locarno vs. Paris exchange was pure gold. I was hoping Lower Decks would acknowledge it, and it sure delivered.

I loved the series starting with Tendi looking back at the nacelles of the Cerritos with joy and wonder, and this season having her do the same on the Orion ship to see the Cerritos go and also center herself.

The callback to Mark Twain made me wheeze with laughter. I kinda wish we'd got to see Ma'ah and the other captains again, but I can see that giving them a scene would have cluttered things up. I was concerned that Locarno might end up flattened into a misremembered villainous caricature, but I think overall he was fairly well handled. He never actually meant harm. Weird that Jean Hagar wasn't with the rest of Nova Squadron, though, wasn't it? Even unvoiced, it would have made sense for her to be there.

@Brasswatchman

8 ай бұрын

Ehhhhhh... pretty sure he meant _some_ harm when he shot at Mariner.

@Brasswatchman

8 ай бұрын

Also, if you watch the opening shot again, you can see Jean splitting off from the group and walking in another direction.

"He looks like Tom Paris." "Nah, I don't see it."

I loved the riffing on James Horner's score for Wrath of Khan throughout the final battle, especially after the GD explodes

"I graduated top of my class!" Dude, you didn't even graduate.

Not liking carpet and wood panelling is definitely big villain energy. Imagine Borg cubes with shag carpet and wood panelling everywhere.. it would just be a groovy place to be at that point. 😅

Holmes, this could easily have been a season finale for any of the live action series. It was so good that I had to shut everything off at the end and just sit with it, repeating "wow" a few times. It was incredible.

This was probably one of the best episodes of the series, in plotting, adventure, action, humor, character development. Ranks with the best of Star Trek as a greatly satisfying episode. (and voices from 2 original actors for Nick and Wesley). I vote a season 6 and 7 after 5.

"Jessie Gender wears badges as she pleases! TOOT!"

One thing...the Genisos bomb is also Ferengi sized!

Unfortunately after a few broken phones, i learned i cannot actually reach into the screen.

2:28 Yeah, exactly. It's crazy how much stuff they manage to stuff in.

Your character? Jessie in season 5 confirmed!? If MatPat can be in FNAF, you can be in Lower Decks.

A fantastic finale to another season of Social Emotional Teaching Trek!

I loved that Back to the Future ride! I only got to ride on it once, but I remember it vividly.

5:37 Oh Q now I want that so bad for Season 5.

Startours was originally going to be a Star Trek ride which was later realized in the Klingon Encounter and Borg 4d rides in Vegas. Also in Germany but that was for like six months.

TLyn's "Illogical solutions lead to Logical results" was soooo Spock. Spock to Kirk in Galileo 7: "I examined the problem for all angles and it was plainly hopeless. Logic informed me that under the circumstances the only possible action would have to be one of desperation. A logical decision, logically arrived at."

I miss the old Star Tours too. The new one(s) are good too, but I still regularly quote a line from Captain Rex in the original Flight to Endor. Whenever someone or something is going a little too fast, I frequently think and sometimes say "Brakes, brakes, where are the brakes".

the ship that Mariner steals is Steamrunner class

Or if Nova Fleet changed its name to Feneris Rangers.

Best Intro Ever! :D

This season is the best yet. The last two episodes really cemented the cast in the Trek universe for me. I can't wait for Season 5! I haven't had as much anxiety after a Trek finale since TNG's The Best of Both Worlds Part 1 LOL.