Hey All, These are all previous videos that I did , going back as far as over a year ago. The Dominion War Series ensured that the channel is what it is today. A lot of these, I'm not actually all that proud of.. I am really looking forward to putting together an extensive, comprehensive long form video that details the entirety of the writing that is the dominion War. Hope you guys enjoy the super cut .. and whether you do or not.. I guarantee the revamped version will be ten times what this is.

@readhistory2023

5 жыл бұрын

Nice monolog at the begging. You've been practicing and holy cow...I just noticed the length of the video. You have been busy. P.S. Star Fleet maybe adamat about they're not being a military but I don't know of any other org. that performs court martials for anything other than breaking military law.

@LoreReloaded

5 жыл бұрын

@@readhistory2023 this is just my old videos before i start the new series

@siphra

5 жыл бұрын

I don't know if you actually care enough or not , but you can actually get a decent and accurate measure of the size of the federation fleet from in canon references. If you're interested I can explain it. If you just want a number... somewhere between 400 and 600 ships.

@LoreReloaded

5 жыл бұрын

@@siphra It depends on how you approach me. However, when I do these break downs I do it from what is considered canon by the IP Holders.. Which creates issues. We can't go by the way they look..they scale the ships based on what looks 'cool'.. The defiant gets larger and smaller based on what you see. Generally it has to be dialogue or on a screen.. Even licensed works don't count (they licensed alot).. That said, even if it wasn't with in 'canon'.. I'd be curious how long and how you got tehre?

@siphra

5 жыл бұрын

@@LoreReloaded The only 'leap of logic' I make in the entire calculation is the assumption that there exists some type of detente between the 3 major powers, Klingons, Romulans, and Federation. (granted that may be a leap of logic...) Everything else comes from onscreen sources. Particularly a line from, what is apparently your favorite series, DS9. In "Way of the Warrior" We're told that the Klingons have put in "Well over 100 ships" and committed " almost a third " of it's military. Being generous, and assuming that you need to supply a fleet that is not typically larger than the ground forces you are committing to battle, which holds true of real world navies, that gives us an upper limit of 600 ships for the entire Klingon Military. It is also often accepted that Wolf 359 was a major battle, and that the loss of 40 ships was significant. Note even though we are told that the "back up in less than a year" it should be pointed out that this holds true for real world navies as well. After Pearl Harbor, the US managed to recover, in 3 months time mind you, 3 Battleships, Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Tennessee, and most of the smaller ships. What likely happened here is the 39 destroyed ships were recovered, and repaired. If 40 ships was as significant as we are led to believe by dialogue from The Best of Both Worlds Part II, then we have an absolute upper limit on the number of ships. 2% of your fleet is simply not a significant amount. So there must be, logically, fewer than 2000 ships. This is where we get to logic and detente, If the Klingons were absolutely outnumbered 3:1 in ships, in particular given the range of quality of ships they had, they never would have gone to war with the Federation, nor would they have had the successes they did. We can surmise also, that even though we know the Klingons put a vast amount of resources into their military, they would have had a hard time keeping up with a large federation fleet. But we also know the mentality of the Federation. They would avoid anything that could potentially be seen as a build up, because a build up would lead to war. It is likely then that the federation had a fleet not significantly larger than the Klingons, but of course, not significantly smaller. If the Battle of Wolf 359 consisted of 7-10% of the fleet, that would be a significant blow, but not crippling. In addition having a fleet the same size as the Klingons, or Romulans would allow them to have security without being overly militarized, from the perspective of the Romulans and Klingons. Really the only assumptions here are : A) The Federation sees itself as a peaceful organization built for exploration; and B) The people in charge have some knowledge of the geopolitical situation (geopolitical clearly not the right word here, galactopolitical?) and are dedicated to peace. This puts a maximum number of Federation ships cap at exactly 1:1 with the Klingons, and likely was less. So it stands, the Klingon fleet is fewer than 600 ships, the Federation fleet must also be. The Federation fleet however can not be significantly smaller than the Klingons or else the Klingons wouldn't wait to invade. In addition it can't be too much smaller than 400 ships, as the loss of ships would be far worse if it were. So a safe range, based on canon is 400-600 ships.

That fact that Paramount didnt create a show that takes place AFTER the Dominion War pissed me off...

@jamessinclair8840

3 жыл бұрын

Captain Worf? The actor of Worf, Mr. Dorn, has been pushing the studio for the last decade to make this a reality. It'll be a true tragedy if we never see Michael Dorn and Worf as a bonefide captain in Canon.

@vnixned2

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamessinclair8840 I would love to see Captain Worf! It might even be interesting to see him first exploring more off the Klingons and the rebuilding they have. Perhaps him even serving on a Klingon ship or soemthing

@ChairmanMo

3 жыл бұрын

The novels and canon material are all there. The thing is that the TV studio's don't want to lose creative control and pay the writers of the novels. It is the same reason why we got 'D' Star Wars and Legend's Star Wars....

@jamesnealii8370

3 жыл бұрын

Paramount lost the rights to Star Trek with cbs Viacom split in 2006 and despite cbs and Viacom remerging in 2019 cbs retained the rights to Star Trek so paramount couldn’t create a Star Trek show even if they wanted to without permission from cbs I’m not sure if that still have the Star Trek movie rights after the 2019 reunion of cbs and Viacom

@afterglowproductions8547

3 жыл бұрын

Star Trek Online's story does a pretty nice idea of whats happening afterwards...

I just wish that the Dominion War had made it's way onto the big screen, especially if they created a large hand-to-hand combat scene between thousands of Klingons and Jem'Hadar soldiers. That would have been 'awesome'.

@mrspaceman2764

3 жыл бұрын

At least another show. At the time, I couldn't believe there wasn't another show that dealt with the aftermath after DS9. Just a few lines of dialogue in the Voyager series and TNG movies.

@JosephKeenanisme

Жыл бұрын

I'd watch that. Either do it up like Star Trek: Continues or an indy fan short film with new characters but set during the Dominion or Klingon Wars.

@liamdell6319

3 ай бұрын

They had an opportunity to do that with Star Trek: Insurrection (they even name drop the Dominion War during the movie since it's ongoing at the time) but they did nothing with it. Like, why the fuck wasn't the Enterprise-E, Starfleet's flagship, fighting on the front lines?

@user-vy8fy3cz1s

25 күн бұрын

That would have been the ultimate star trek movie

The metaplot of TNG-era Trek is that 24th Century humanity slowly learns exactly how clueless it was about the realities of interstellar civilization.

@eos6908

2 жыл бұрын

Well put

@Not_An_EV

2 жыл бұрын

Y'know I'm currently re watching it on netflix and you are so right! You have literally changed the way I look at TNG in one comment. Well done.

@jkeelsnc

2 ай бұрын

Q’s role in teaching this lesson should not be forgotten.

@DaMonkie

2 ай бұрын

Don’t push the pink skins to the thin ice

@DaMonkie

2 ай бұрын

Humans weren’t necessarily clueless. They were simply aware of what they were capable of doing when diplomacy was no longer an option.

"The Romulan Star Empire would be a powerful player both militarily and diplomatically." *Romulan star goes super nova* So much for that.

@loturzelrestaurant

3 жыл бұрын

Kling-DOWN. ...Worf, the Last Klingon... versus the Fire Nation.

@swiggityswag6748

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahahaha

@ElderNewt

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks section 31

@carminemurphy1275

2 жыл бұрын

When did the Romulans and Romulan Empire become the Romulan Star Empire ? When did they get all that swag ?

@checkmate79

2 жыл бұрын

Why does he say the romulan star empire? Nobody called it that. He sounds rediculous

Regarding Quark taking up a rifle without a second thought, there's a lot of dramatic irony in him and Sisko looking down on each other, each considering their civilizations morally superior to the other's - and despite trying to keep up appearances and save face with Ferengi society by claiming that profit is more important to him than all else, when push comes to shove, ultimately the thing that's most important to Quark is family.

@Merennulli

2 жыл бұрын

If you can't exploit family, who can you exploit?

Sisko: "This is not how the Federation fights a war!" "That is why they fail."-Garek

@89Keith

3 жыл бұрын

[Section 31 peeks around the corner and waves]

@teedepefanio5687

3 жыл бұрын

Greatest line by that dude, ever.. he was always thinking....

@randomlyentertaining8287

2 жыл бұрын

Where is the line said? I haven't watched every episode and only this comment shows up on a google search.

@marktuthill7986

2 жыл бұрын

@@randomlyentertaining8287 I am not 100% sure but I assume it is from "in the pale moonlight" judging by the character's quoted + what this episode is about. It is an episode where Garek helps Sisko get the romulans to join the dominion war and the way he does it truly angers Sisko even though it works.

@glennwilliams2950

2 жыл бұрын

@@marktuthill7986 I don't think this is a real quote. I think this is something you can picture them saying.

Quark ironically was the most honest person in the entire Alpha and Beta Quadrant. He always cut through the. Bullshit and told people how they really were.

@rationaltrekker2509

3 ай бұрын

That's an important point when it comes to assessing Quark. For all of his scheming in illegal dealings, which, of course, includes a lot of lying, he was brutally honest about people and organisations. For example, there is his conversation with Garak about the Federation, comparing it to root beer. That was brilliant! I personally love root beer - it's my favourite fizzy drink - but that only served to make the analogy so much more powerful for me. I don't drink root beer often these days, but when I do, the taste is - as Quark said, "cloying." I got the idea that there was more to Quark than what showed on the surface in the pilot of DS9, "The Emissary." Quark tells Sisko, when Sisko recruits him to stay on DS9, that the Bajoran provisional government was too provisional for hm. He saw a distinct likelihood of being lined up against a wall and shot. Quark may be a crook (at least by Federation standards - the Rules of Acquisition make him a virtual hero), a clown at times, and generally a coward, but he really does pay attention on a deep level. He sees past rhetoric and façades.

@GRIGGINS1

3 ай бұрын

@@rationaltrekker2509 Yes indeed he does.

@digitalcurrents

2 ай бұрын

After DS9, somebody needs to make Quark a section 31 operative or at least an asset.

I like how you mentioned the Dominion missing section 31. Everybody in the alpha quadrant knew about the tal shiar and obsidian order. Very few people had knowledge of section 31 existing. I am sure this was by design.

Dude....DUDE.... This is fantastic. I opened a 6 pack and put the feet up. Loved it.

Section 31 was the most efficient Covert Organisation in the milky way. This was because the law that made them, basically said that in times of war, all of starfleet was section 31. So it would've been impossible to determine their threat level. That and the fact that star fleet vehemently denied their existence meant that section 31 had many decoys and hid itself very well. They also had by definition, operatives everywhere, who had no idea who they actually answered to. One would therefore not view them as a threat, and if you started a war against them...prepare for total annihilation.

This is so well done. It shows how layered ST:DS9 is. This is especially true in a "Pre-September 11" context.

Sicko was correct. You do not surrender to tyranny, you fight to the last man. The core of the Star Spangled Banner wasn't a song about a battle that we had won and were pushing the British back, but just the opposite. We lost that battle, but we refused to surrender, "Americans would rather die on our feet, than live on our knees." Francis Scott Keys. You do not surrender and as a Marine, I carried that into battle.

@liamanderson4992

2 ай бұрын

That goes back to Thermopylae and Masada, and came forward to Mariupol, Bakhmut and Avdiivka. If you can't win, then take as many of the bastards with you as you can.

11:55 - I'm actually surprised the Klingons suffered so FEW deaths. If they're a multi-planetary civilization and a major power, then their population must be in the billions or tens of billions. If they did not lose even 1 million people in the Dominion War, that's actually a low price to pay, and especially so when you consider the Klingons LIKE dying in battle.

And no, killing an opponent in war, while defending your family is not "in cold blood," especially when you see his reaction when he did it.

2 Hours 40 minutes of Dominion War it is, then.

@GeoD007

4 жыл бұрын

I know, right? After watching, I wanted to see DS9 again, and then after heck, Babylon 5.

@slevinchannel7589

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but let's not forget Siskos Daddy was a steaming Idiot, alrighty? Maybe in THIS CASE, no Gain was gained, but that doesnt mean the Blood Tests were not reasonable at all. Maybe if it was meant to be unreasonable, they should have made it unreasonable? For example, it was always said the Blood Test may fail, but we never actually see it... what great writing...

DS9 was the best series. It had actors who could do big screen or stage and make it work. From season 2 and onwards it had a consistent and realistic plot with great villains that haven’t been emulated since.

@stevenhunt3113

3 жыл бұрын

The only thing missing in DS9 being a good Star Trek show, was the Trek??

@reginaldshort8486

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevenhunt3113 having trek doesn’t make a good ST series. Having great actors, a good consistent storyline with in depth character development makes a great Trek.

@stevenhunt3113

3 жыл бұрын

@@reginaldshort8486 to me, Trek insinuates movement, that was the only real issue I ever had with the Star Trek franchise. The storyline were usually pretty good and the actors were top notch.

@idkimlikereallybored9533

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevenhunt3113 you not having the flexibility to perceive "trek" as anything else other than physical movement is kinda sad, but hardly ds9's fault

@JamesTTierce

2 жыл бұрын

Siskos actor is probably one of the worst screen actors ive ever seen on TV. Sad? scream. Mad? scream. Happy? scream.

That was such a powerful moment with Kirk. "Let them die" his raw, undiluted hate for them. It's delicious.

@MrMrfeenstra

3 жыл бұрын

No. His later of rebuttal of his racism. Saying he was wrong- That- was "delicious"

@DomR1997

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrMrfeenstra No that's the heartburn after the meal

@davfree9732

3 жыл бұрын

Let them die, was the starting point. The I was wrong, was the culmination of his journey, that would give the future a chance to exist without that hatred. That’s not delicious, that’s a good narrative payoff.

@garlandremingtoniii4679

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrMrfeenstra Racism, is what keeps your race, alive.

@Aliandrin

3 жыл бұрын

​@@garlandremingtoniii4679 Except in the 24th century. Racism is dead thanks to the Van Gelder Device and Section 31 keeps you blissfully ignorant of all the nasty they do to keep you alive. This is the only way, the ONLY WAY, a society as seemingly good as Earth seems to be could ever exist. Something that actually selfless ultimately dies to preserve people who have nothing to do with them... because they're that selfless. That or someone declares war and they either don't shoot back at all or don't hit below the belt.

You're right, Adam, Star Fleet really should have built up their navy. I'm definitely going to make a point of that someday when I'm the invincible overlord.

@LostieTrekieTechie

8 ай бұрын

As in boats?

You know esri Dax gets the short end of the stick a lot. But I love that exchange between her and Worf in particular

@ChairmanMo

4 жыл бұрын

Underneath that kind sweet exterior she can be a realist too. And it is not because of the Dax symbiote but because of the fact that she came from a family that had its dirty secrets. She did not really grow up in a Federation world.

@ibxjackcat2565

4 жыл бұрын

Rly she was always one of my favourite characters

@Delekham

3 жыл бұрын

@Steve Adams So, how did they do it "Enterprise" within the Sol System....I am confused!! RLY I am confused.

@shadowfox0087

3 жыл бұрын

Delekham it’s mostly for safety reasons. If the hit a planet at warp velocities they could end up causing a lot of damage to the planet

@christopherthrawn1333

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

In the pale moonlight is peek trek for me. It was decades before I realized it was a reference to buttons batman.

This is a great overview of the war. AR558 is one of my favorite episodes. Having been in combat before I think they did a fairly good job of describing the realities as best they could. The battle itself is probably more similar to what some troops experienced during the Vietnam war in trying to hold a small base camp. I think the writers did a great job of showing a place that while highlighted an important battle for those involved, show the craziness of how such a hard fought place does not play in the bigger scheme of the war effort. For example, hold this hill only later to give it up with no understandable reason for why we held the hill in the first place. Again great job of laying out the blow by blow of the war.

@stevemcqueen7735

4 жыл бұрын

Doesn't it bug you that they fight in shirtsleeves and nothing else.

@stevemcqueen7735

4 жыл бұрын

@dan p It's more than that we have weapons today that can kill you easily enough but you still need a pack and kit and proper military gear

@michaelplunkett8059

4 ай бұрын

The hill was held to draw enemy forces in to atrit the other army. The hope was, to use high casualties to encourage a peace treaty.

" SIC VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM " " IF YOU WANT PEACE PREPARE FOR WAR "

@loturzelrestaurant

3 жыл бұрын

...Worf, the Last Klingon... versus the Fire Nation.

That speech about paradise from Sisko is on of the many reasons he is my favorite Captain. He had a more realistic viewpoint of Humanity, the Federation and Starfleet, especially when compared to early TNG Picard. I love TNG and Picard, but those early seasons were preachy to annoying levels.

@slevinchannel7589

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but let's not forget Siskos Daddy was a steaming Idiot, alrighty? Maybe in THIS CASE, no Gain was gained, but that doesnt mean the Blood Tests were not reasonable at all. Maybe if it was meant to be unreasonable, they should have made it unreasonable? For example, it was always said the Blood Test may fail, but we never actually see it... what great writing...

@makkaschatsanddits7899

3 жыл бұрын

preachy to annoying?? so your a DS9 fanboy then. No actual treky would call picard preachy and annoying lol. If you think that and like Cpt Benjy you will probably love the new series with all the action and pew pews

@dylanlewis3038

3 жыл бұрын

@@makkaschatsanddits7899 I will admit that DS9 is my favorite series. But it is closely followed by TNG. I've re-watched TNG more often, and everytime I find the first two seasons to be of a lesser quality when compared to the later seasons. Those are the ones that I find Picard to be annoyingly preachy. Compared to later seasons, it comes of as heavy handed. As for liking the new shows, you're wrong. I didn't like them. I watched of couple of Discovery episodes, and decided not to watch anymore. I didn't watch Picard, because I heard it was a character assassination of my second favorite Captain. I only watched the Lower Decks pilot, which I enjoyed as it was a return to more lighthearted Trek. I am a huge Trekkie. I have been for around 12 years now. Just because I have a differing opinion from yours doesn't make me any less of a fan. We can all like or dislike different things about Star Trek. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. What matters is that we share a love of Star Trek. Live Long and Prosper.🖖

@markhoffart622

3 жыл бұрын

Reverend Picard was preachy and annoying. And just a bit of "holier than thou, even thou l don't believe in holiness. Just that my way is better than yours." Sisko puts a hard stop to Q's fisticuffs and "mano et mano" something Picard never quiet manages to do. Even so, I think the new Picard attempt at a series is a shame and could use some creativity and plain old good writing. Strange how TOS, made 50+ years ago on a shoestring budget but with good writing, puts the most expensive tv show out there to shame. ☹

@RajaRickin

3 жыл бұрын

I always thought the Paradise speech was a reflection of what the writers thought about modern Western nations. More or less, compared to the third world, North America/Europe is like Earth in DS9's time

1.3M views on a 3 hour video with only 110k subscribers. I mention this as compliment. You are no longer a Lore Master, you are now a Dream Master. Your voice, at night, now keeps the nightmares away for at least 10,000 people. I thank you for your service. :)

Remember that it would've taken weeks to months for most of the fleet to reach Wolf 359 so having just 40 ships able to respond with many being older ships is quite reasonable.

"Never turn your back on a Breen."...

@robertcartier5088

4 жыл бұрын

"Winter is coming" ...oops, wrong channel! ;-]

@zyme4569

3 жыл бұрын

I wish we'd seen more of the breen

Painting my Dominion attack wing fleet while listening to the dominion war long form... i are teh happies

Great show!! I think the Humans and Vulcans wanted to evolve out of their violent primitive past. Both species were unable to face their true selves and influenced each other towards a Federation always unready for war. It was a weakness of species rather than a weakness of the organization. The irony is how the more warlike species did not do much better in the end.

26:00 - A major element of TOS series is how Starfleet and the UFP is not a military or militarized group. The years between the close of Enterprise up to the Borg and later the Dominion war, while interrupted by occasional problems like conflict at Organia or destruction of Starbases by the Romulans and Gorn, were halcyon days of growth, exploration and general peace in the quadrant. Really enjoying this.

@808INFantry11X

Жыл бұрын

My only problem with that assertion from Rodenberry is that it flies in the face of everything starfleet for a non military organization it is very much a miltiary in all the way that matters its even referred to as such by Carol and David Marcus in the Wrath of Khan and rightfully so. Realistically if walks like a duck quacks like a duck it's interpreted such in a political sense especially given who starfleet is up against would defintely agree.

I personally think the Vorta and Jem'Hadar were altered from pre-existing species. Two reasons why I think this: 1-Weyoun's story of a primitive Vorta hiding a changling fleeing from a group of solids; 2-Weyoun's line (I'm ASSUMING it's an earlier clone of Weyoun since the character was played by the actor who played Weyoun...and Commander Shran in Enterprise) to Sisko that "the ability of the Founders to control the Jem'Hadar has been slightly...'overstated'. That's why we had to addict them to the White". If the Jem'Hadar had been a species SOLELY created by the Founders then there would have been NO need to addict the Jem'Hadar to the White (assuming that Weyoun actually WAS telling the truth). Again, this is just my own personal opinion.

Now the Picard series is after Dominion War, after the Romulus destruction. It will be interesting to see the changes of Starfleet and Federation post war on screen.

@sabrewolf4129

5 жыл бұрын

ONLY if they use the original state of what Star Trek was, if they go STD/Jar Jar Trek, the Picard series will suck as bad as STD was on its premier night.

@jacklai633

5 жыл бұрын

@@sabrewolf4129 We will see. :)

This is SO dense. Thank you!!! Your break down reminds me that ST's universe, as military space opera, is both extensive and believable.

Best quote's from Kirk. There animals, Dont trust them, Let them die... Love it :)

@Gizziiusa

5 жыл бұрын

alotta history between the two, and doc Emmett Brown did have his son executed for good measure

@JayVolatileOfficial

5 жыл бұрын

Oh my XD

@sladewilson9741

4 жыл бұрын

It's easy to be a saint in paradise.

@joeclaridy

4 жыл бұрын

Kirk was no fool. He was many things: captain, explorer, space whore but James Tiberius Kirk was no fool when it came to war. I wish more Captains in the TNG era were like him.

@stevemcqueen7735

4 жыл бұрын

@@joeclaridy Can you blame him TOS always had hot chicks of all species like Yvonne Craig

Im a Treky, Thankyou for the historical records.

Federation: we're trying to preserve our principals, but it's not easy. Klingons: our principals are confirmed, the batlith is the only garentee of safety. Federation: I f***ing hate my life.........

Picard and company may not have thought of Starfleet as a military, but when push comes to shove and they can't talk their way out of a fight, like with the Borg and Dominion, Starfleet ends up performing all the duties of a military. It doesn't really matter to me what they call themselves, they are a de-facto military even if a reluctant and at times inefficient one in my eyes.

I subscribed because of your videos and analysis. Dominion War brought me in. Excellent job!

I always Enjoy your work. You provide different thoughts to all of Star Trek. Thank You for your content

I only meant to have a quick look, but got sucked in straight away and couldn't help but watch it all! Great video

Back when wars in Star Trek were well written. Discovery I am looking at you.

@t4rv0r60

4 жыл бұрын

an now picard....

@matteloht

3 жыл бұрын

@@t4rv0r60 What dark Trek times we live in in deed...

@Cheesusful

3 жыл бұрын

1 year and a new season of discovery later... And your comment's still relevant.

@TheSquad4life

3 жыл бұрын

@@Cheesusful still very relevant, it never got better

@Choros22

3 жыл бұрын

It is sad the current state, but in retrospect ds9 is by far the best trek series.

I have a great admiration for DS9 and Star Trek because of the Dominion War, and also the way it presented key scenes with so much power and movement in their acting it really made me humble how good Star Trek is NOT JUST FOCUSING ON THE LIFE OF ONE STARSHIP, but the whole quadrant as well as existing species evolving and newer ones presented for the audience Thank you for this it really is amazing how there is interest in years old series focusing on the Lore aspect and stories! Well done!

"one of them even called me a cuck" lmao i forgot that part

Glad you out these together, much fun watching them again from the start 👍🏿

How has no one picked up a post Dominion war Star Trek? So much potential and with a more militarized Federation there's a lot of room for action sequences that Hollywood loves.

@andrewblanchard2398

3 ай бұрын

KURTZMAN DREK SURE AS HELL DIDN'T DO THAT it's all SWEARING MARIJUANA GROSS VIOLENCE FORCED SJW WOKENESS FORCED GAY 7 OF 9 NONSENSE SCRIPTS except for PICARD season 3

On the point that Starfleet is or is not a military organization, I think it fair to say that before militarizing as you describe, it was a police organization. Indeed, half the tasks that the Enterprise in TOS, TAS, and TNG get into are police actions. They are especially effective at that policing action, which does also explain their tendency towards civilian law in (for example) the Drumhead and Measure of a Man - Starfleet generally enforces civilian law, so that's the law it generally turns to for guidance.

In the television show Enterprise Archer was shown that in the future Klingons Kardashians and many of the old Powers would become part of the Federation so that's how it's going to end up being

@sypherthe297th2

3 жыл бұрын

We have failed as a people if the Kardashians become a power in the quadrant. We must eliminate this growing threat now to secure the future from reality TV and trailer park trash with money.

I think this is pretty good. One thing, if Star Fleet didn't consider themselves a military they wouldn't have marines.

10 /10 for this video . Thanks for the work you put in to making this , I look forward to seeing what else you have on your channel

I've not seen most of these yet ! Looking forward to it, thanx big guy 👍😆

@loturzelrestaurant

3 жыл бұрын

Kling-DOWN. ...Worf, the Last Klingon... versus the Fire Nation.

"Luckily he would be killed by a Starfleet Officer" You the ONLY Klingon Starfleet officer?

Thank you for these history lessons, it makes Star Trek even better to watch.

The reason you can't find any information on how many soldiers make up a column is because a column is a tactical formation... not a unit. It can quite literally be anything from an individual scouting party of about 10 men moving in single file down a narrow path to an entire battalion (300 to 800 men) moving down a highway (think of the old WW2 movies where soldiers were walking on both sides of the road... or in two columns). I assume the ST-DS9 writers meant the Jem'Hadar units opposing them were comprised of two light infantry companies... or roughly 80 Jem'Hadar had just landed.

The Dominion War was exactly what the Federation needed. Not even the Borg threat was enough to stop the slow decay and rot that was oozing from the lumbering, necrotic beast that was the UFP. The Dominion came in, cut the rot from the bone and caused an accelerated growth of new, strong and vital parts.

@KH4444444444N

10 ай бұрын

Well stated, however, "rot" is maybe a strong word...

Amazing video. Thank you for doing all the work.

I can buy the Federation only being able to scrape together 40 ships to confront the Borg. After all, it seems like the Enterprise is always the only Federation ship within range of anything happening.

The dominion war is the the secondary-est thing that ever crossed my awareness and you are making an entire video out of it. I love it.

" THE COST OF WAR IS THE PRICE OF PEACE " .

@spaceclaw1958

4 жыл бұрын

the cost of the way you type is that no one ever takes you seriously.

@doctorabutros

4 жыл бұрын

Sun Tzu: "In war, prepare for peace. In peace, prepare for war."

@oldkid8811

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/jH1816hxh9nKds4.html @1:20

@Duomaxwell02M

3 жыл бұрын

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Keep the awesome videos coming ain't missed one yet sending positive vibes from the uk

@LoreReloaded

5 жыл бұрын

Here's to hoping the EU doesn't shut you guys down so my stuff can't be seen!

@Kevin-zo8bk

5 жыл бұрын

@@LoreReloaded I think the uk will be in a much better shape further down the road may be a bit dodgy To begin with but we will be able to bulid better trade deals with the USA and rest of the world

love this style of lore break down thank for doing this

You really did an excellent job with all of your research into this. Gave some of us in the Trek community a lot to process. It may also provide some insights into why Captain Picard will be so completely different in his new series coming out. Anyway, great video. Live long and prosper 🖖

Thank you for doing this collection. I am a TOS fan. I grew to like STTNG. But, I love DS9. I watched DS9 every year from beginning to end because of the writing, the direction and the acting by a great ensemble cast. To me it is a show which has a message that are the episodes that strikes the most at home with me. That is why it is the only TV show that I can watch over and over again and still enjoy it. There is no other show that is still talks to me with its messages for the most number of episodes. There are a lot of shows that I try to watch over again, but DS9 is the only show that does not become boring as I watch it over and over again. Your analysis and narrative just adds more new enjoyment with viewing those episodes.

thank your for two hours of entertainment

In the pale moonlight was the best Star Trek episode from any franchise, any timeline.

Great breakdown. I always said that the Dominion was yet just another vile plot thought up by THE MAN to keep a Brother Down!

"Let them die!" - Captain Kirk

Oddo "Come on Quark lets go to shelter' Quark "I'm not going ti any shelter this is bar and I'm going to defend it with this!" Oddo: "Your going to hit them with a box?" Quark: "This is my disrupter pistol when I serbed on ship." Oddo: "I thought you were a cook?" Quark:"I was and everyone there thouht they were a food crituc" He open the box and there is a note! Oddo takes it and reads it. Oddo: "I used parts of your disruptor pistol to fix the replicator hope your not mad Ron!" Quark: "I will kill him!" Oddo: "With what?"

@carminemurphy1275

3 жыл бұрын

Do you really spell that badly ?

@Delekham

3 жыл бұрын

@@carminemurphy1275 I think he does!

@randallb84

3 жыл бұрын

Lol that's great

I love your work,well researched, great critique and wonderful assessment plus I love your voice

Hands down, my favourite KZread channel.

Awesome man just competly awesome. But you forgot to include how much the gelato machines impacted the war. Still a very good video its awesome. And I do agree thank you for the 2 plus hours of entertainment took me from being a bit depressed and pissed off to being in a good mode for work.

Sorry if I missed a better place for this. If you're looking for a new idea for another on trial video, here's a thought; Kevin Uxbridge from the TNG episode "The Survivors. On the surface, he wiped out an entire race in grief, which many would say is unforgivable. But upon further thought, he might have done the Federation, and potentially the galaxy, a favor. He destroyed, in his words, "a species of hideous intelligence who knew only aggression and destruction." Now we don't know for sure, but if his recreation of the ship is accurate to the vessel that attacked the colony, then it was able to brush off a full barrage of weapons from a Galaxy class star ship, while stripping the ship's shields with a single volley. If a full on war had broken out, Starfleet likely would have been routed, and quite possibly, the entire galaxy would have been conquered. At least the Borg seek to make people better (even if we don't agree with their vision). These guys, sounds like they just wanted to destroy everything in sight. So perhaps Kevin Uxbridge did the galaxy a favor by removing them from the galaxy before they realized there was more to destroy than just one little colony. Just an idea.

I believe Wayun's story about the Vorta's origin. Wayun was many things, but he was not a liar.

@Beuwen_The_Dragon

5 ай бұрын

He may not have been lying, but the story could still be untrue. The Vorta Origins could simply have been a fiction devised by the Founders to ensure the Vorta would be unwaveringly Loyal, being the ‘Founder’s chosen people”… But since all the Vorta were Clones, who knows? Wayun could believe the story whole heartedly, but that wouldn’t make it true.

My reading of the end of the dominion war was that at that point the klingon empire had already become a defacto dependency of the federation. The federation had it's man as chancellor, they had his closest confident by his side as federation ambassador (remember that members of the federation have federation abamsadors). The damage to all the major power brokers within the Klingon empire from the House of Duros, Romulan intrigue, Gowron's wars, the dominion and the breen will make any opposition to Martok devoid of any meaningful military assets and easily defeated by the established houses looking after their personal interests and embracing federation soft power (a new marshall plan). The only game changer would be a cultural backlash from the klingon grassroots (maybe some kind of religious/political revival), but if that kind of thing did overthrow Martok their economic weakness would relegate them from the table of the great powers and put them on the same level as the Trill, the nibarite alliance, the zenkathe, the Bolians, the orian syndicate etc... This is an unlikely scenario, when you consider that it required the intervention of picard, data, worf, worf again, worf again, Sisko, Ezri dax etc... to stop the klingons from just following their leaders into nihilism. At no point was there a rebellion from within that made any change in government it was always from outside. But that's just my opinion.

I LOVETHIS SUPER CUT!!!!!!!!

Why Starfleet didn't create an entire squadron of Defiant class ships or an entire squadron of Intrepid class ships is beyond me.

@joer9323

5 жыл бұрын

It was likely more cost effective for Starfleet to refit already existing ships rather than focus on building new ones. That being said, numerous new combat oriented starships were built, but time was also a significant factor.

@ZeroSonaku

5 жыл бұрын

@@joer9323 while that is likely the writer's chosen reason, that's not how the real world works. after a ship has worked itself down to the point where it struggles to achieve a respectable state, and you need to gut the ship to replace systems, it's almost always cheaper to just build a new ship. this is why a warship generally only has 20 years of active service (more or less depending on how active their active service is). this has been the truth for warships since the sail was replaced by steam and hulls became iron, and as material and tech advances, the cost of gutting a ship only goes up. I'd assume duranium and tritanium take a lot longer to cut through safely and in a none-explosive manner than steel does.

@joer9323

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZeroSonaku Perhaps not with phasers.

@ZeroSonaku

5 жыл бұрын

@@joer9323 Except it's stated in TNG that Tritanium cannot be melted by current phaser tech. unlike Steelplast you need solid cutting tools to cut processed Tritanium, that or apply enough energy to essentially shatter Tritanium as what happens in ship to ship combat. Phasers can cut through and melt duranium but it takes a lot of doing and time, unless you wish to just vaporize sections of duranium hull altogether. Even then, the planning and workarounds you have to do in upgrading an existing ship's hull or interior, then implementing said plans and workarounds can take time, time better spent just using a ship plan you already have and building that. If you need to implement tech or a new design change, that can be done before building the next ship and implementing it there. Retrofits of existing ships tends to only occur in times of peace or if you have to dry-dock a ship for repairs during time of war, since the ship is already in dry-dock there's no reason to not add tech or weapons to the ship for it's next battle. it is far easier and more efficient to use your ship yards to build a new ship and copious amounts of them. look at world war 2, sure the USN could have retrofit ships, but it was more efficient to keep completed ships commissioned while building several dozens of new ones like the Fletcher-class destroyer, and just flood the oceans with them.

@joer9323

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZeroSonaku You make valid points. I was primarily thinking in terms of cost. I'm sure even Starfleet can't just build ships for free. Costs almost always skyrocket in wartime.

Love this format ❤️

Sisko's monologue & the episode it was part of remains one of my favorite DS9 episodes. As for what the Federation becomes according to this, it would be similar to what the early Federation, or at least Star Fleet once was.

Captain Pike needs to go on trial again for breaking the Prime Directive. This one was...wow!

This is awesome!!

One thing it seems you missed to mention is that the Federation studied the captured Jem'hadar attack ship so they were able to adapt their shields to Dominion weapons. Even though Starfleet losses were high, they would have been even higher if Starfleet didn't have the captured ship to study and adapt to. The adaptation was mentioned during the Dominion attack on DS9.

Overall great video. I enjoyed it and liked how you added them together.

Sisko was "pushed to the thin ice."

@filthywishdragon

4 жыл бұрын

Speaking of, where were the blue skins during all of this?

Well made good sir.

Amazing the cooralation between Now in the real world and the Dominion ( coincidence ) wars

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well executed and informatively explained in every detail way shape and form provided indeed, Very greatly well put together and well presented and produced indeed!,👌.

1:31:48 - What we saw unfold in DS9 when the Dominion War really kicked into high gear, and your point about Roddenberry's "vision" for the future of humanity reminds me of something Quark says to Nog in the episode, "The Siege of AR-558": "“Let me tell you something about humans, nephew. They’re a wonderful, friendly people-as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time, and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon.”" It's not about telling a story where humanity's ideals are never tested (those can be boring). Rather, what's interesting, and perhaps far more compelling is telling a story about how humanity is able to face adversity, and somehow get through it with some semblance of humanity's ideals intact. What DS9 managed to show in its run, and particularly via the overarching Dominion War storyline is precisely that. That, despite the hellish nature of war, humanity (and its allies) managed to triumph, albeit somewhat changed by the experience. But isn't there always a price to be paid for such things? War is never glorious, or beautiful, and many times it forces humanity to make some very tough decisions. And it is our ability to make the best decision, however difficult, that can define, or redefine us as a species. We now stand once more at the crossroads of destiny as it were, where humanity is developing technology that may soon allow us to explore the great unknown, "final frontier". What sort of decisions will lead us into that brave new world? What sort of future will we forge as we make contact with new and alien civilizations? How will it change us? And how will we change the galaxy at large? How will future generations redefine what it means to be "human" as we boldly go where no one has gone before?

USS VOYAGER EMH DR ZIMMERMAN became the head of STARFLEET MEDICAL .

Military vet here... So Starfleet IS a military originization. What is commonly misunderstood about the military is that military = war and battle. While some militarys are like this not all are. Take the US military for instance. While yes a lot of what yous ee is military preparing for battle what you don't see is all the non military things they do. To give you some examples: 1. Army corp of engineers. They are constantly running around building things all over. 2. The medical portion of the military (you recently saw a lot of medical personal and a couple medical ships with this COVID thing) 3. Berlin Air lift where we provided supplies to East Germany. Essentially while the military does do combat its not the only function of the military. They do a lot of other things too. And if you look at starfleet they do a LOT of the same things as the modern military from relief missions to diplomacy, to protecting people. (and thats not even talking about the actual rank structure and stuff) And while they don't show it, they talk about a LOT of different wars starfleet has been in with various other races. (IE the cardassian war before TNG)

Nice video. Really informative and love the Trek lore.

I like to think of the Federation as a post Civil War mountain man he has some combat experience and the tools to do so but would rather explore and find hidden parts of this world surrounding themselves with wilderness

If the Federation had known what the Dominion had in store for the Alpha Quadrant 3-5 years earlier. Well if they didn't just mine the wormhole earlier, i always picture what type of fleet they would put together. Akira's as the main backbone instead of all those Mirandas, Soverign as the capital ships, Intrepids as scout ships loaded with sensors and maybe secret cloaks so they could monitor Dominion movement and being the fastest ships able to outrun the Dominion easily if discovered and Defiants as the escorts to protect bigger ships from the Dominion Bug fighters and lots of them like the Klingons have lots Bird of Prey ships.

@TheAgent0060

3 жыл бұрын

Can't cut out the Sabre class and Steamrunner Class ships. They served as wings with Akiras/Thunderchilds and Sovereign class ships. There was another type too that was pretty decently sized.

I would think that after Archer naively set out to explore but instead met mostly hostile species that got them into a whole heap of trouble and told them all where to find their vulnerable earth that the future generations would understand that it is necessary to be structured as a military organization first in order to survive in a hostile quadrant.

A couple of buddies and I went to work on a hypothetical timeline, we came up with something very similar to this, despite the fact that there were other issues and concerns from before the Dominion War. There was the Borg, the Husnock and the Romulans. Also lets not forget the Cardassians either. As well as other threats and issues out there.

Cool vid I’d love if the federation and starfleet became a hybrid of science exploitation but be ready to fight and have the ability to take the fight and win When I watched tng I noticed humans and member worlds had become soft to comfortable Paradise had made them soft And with the threats out there the federation had gotten stale

"Rebellions are built on Hope!"

I agree, it was in Gene's vision. Looking at Balance of Terror.

dude this was an amazing analysis

I just rewatched this and a couple angles often missed the alignment of Cardassia and the Dominion was a farce from the beginning. The Dominion had no intention of sharing anything with Cardassia but merely used them to get a foothold into the Alpha Quadrant. Because when the Obsidian Order and the Talsiar attemped to destroy the Founders and found themselves in a trap. What did the founder say to Garic? That Cardassia's fate had been sealed. So the Dominion from the start was going to eliminate all Cardassians. As for Federation not going for a win over Cardassia that wasnt the Federation way. They were not conquerors but only wanted worlds to join the Federation on a free will basis. Plus why Federation only used lesser powerful vessels in limited numbers is in Star Trek continuity as we see the same with the Borg. Twice they attacked the Federation with only one ship/cube. To charge into Cardasia with the best ships would make the Federation Conquerors and no better than the totalitarians that Cardassia was.

Dude, you have the perfect voice for these videos.

@nicosmind3

5 жыл бұрын

Pervert!

@simonhartley5444

5 жыл бұрын

Little Cripple lol

What a fantastic video thank you so much for your time in doing this