The MSM blew any credibility they had years ago. These days I only look at the audience scores.

@kathrynck

5 жыл бұрын

Audience scores are somewhat "fluffed" by paid or political shills as well, but yeah it beats the heck out of the critic reviews. It's not just Rotten Tomatoes too, I've noticed some extreme critic biases that go back about 70 years, although there used to be a few outliers, now the voice of critics is a chorus.

@fuzzywzhe

5 жыл бұрын

Those are shilled scores just as often too. If you can't see a discussion on a subject, or you can't participate in the discussion on it, and get reasonable answers, ignore any opinion you see on that site.

@randomperson-up5vt

5 жыл бұрын

@@fuzzywzhe you can browse the audience scores and actually see if they actually talk about the show or did they just talk about how diverse the episode was at least.

@fuzzywzhe

5 жыл бұрын

@@randomperson-up5vt You have to have a two way conversation to see if you're talking to a person, and at least get a coherent response. Why do you think they shut down the IMDB's comment section anyhow? That's because it was mostly real people explaining why either a movie (or tv show) was good and/or bad, and what was wrong with it. Couldn't have that! If you're not allowed to express yourself and let others express themselves to you, you're on a propaganda site. Simple as that.

@randomperson-up5vt

5 жыл бұрын

@@fuzzywzhe yeah I get that and why i said you have to look at what they are writing in the review for audience scores. Did they just mention how amazing the show was because of woke points like its now got a female lead or did they actually write something about the movie/episode itself and why they liked it or hated it those points. No rating or review system will be perfect.

Critics scores mean nothing. They've already proven they don't have the balls to tell the truth.

@Slitheringpeanut

5 жыл бұрын

It's apparently worse than that, they have no way of finding out which scores are real or bots.

@hapokas112

5 жыл бұрын

Excactly.

@keegobricks9734

5 жыл бұрын

Oh but they do tell the truth. It's all there in black and white "Fuck white men". Stop burying your heads in the sand, these assholes want you dead.

@bd6_arms370

5 жыл бұрын

I watched one episode, and it sucked.

@ryanbarker5217

5 жыл бұрын

some don't, and some are pushing that agenda/narrative. it'll work eventually, too, just like you can convince billions of ppl that communism is a great thing. they'll just keep hammering away for years until it's all generation z knows and us 'old white men' die off.

No doubt one of the ships will be called the USS Gillette.

@chapbot2023

5 жыл бұрын

10,000 thumbs up

@johnnyrook6371

5 жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHA!!! You win the internet.

@danthedoozy9472

5 жыл бұрын

I love this so much.

Rotten Tomatoes cut their own throat, some time ago....everyone knows you can't get a unbiased movie review there.

So.... Is anybody still championing Wesley as the most hated Trek character anymore? They took everything the fans hated about Wesley and amped it up for Michael..... But don't mention that Trek fans hated a white male character in its past.....

@joehanna3623

5 жыл бұрын

"Shut-up WESLEY!"

@Paulafan5

5 жыл бұрын

I never knew, until recently, that people didn't like Wesley... But yeah, Burnham is the worst.

@Stefan-

5 жыл бұрын

@@Paulafan5 I didnt know either and ive been a huge Star Trek fan for decades, he is just a nerdy awkward kid and quite well played by the actor. Not my favorite character and perhaps not many peoples favorite character, but hate, hell no! Burnham on the other hand or the whole of STD, that is a completely different story, probably one of the worst TV series in decades.

@MKDumas1981

5 жыл бұрын

A white straight male: remember Salia, and Robin Lefler?

@joshuacr

5 жыл бұрын

At the very least, when we told Wesley to shut as a character in the show, he shut up. Oh no, he lost that title 2 years ago if not earlier.

The minute Pike transported onto the bridge I knew instantly which of his entourage was going to die. Was anyone surprised?

@readhistory2023

5 жыл бұрын

I thought Pike was a great addition to the show. I wish they'd started with him rather than Michael but as far as I can tell the alien engineer is going to be a new cast member unless they kill her off like Capt. Lorka's security officer.

@Paulafan5

5 жыл бұрын

Who's going to die? The woman, or the man that dares to disagree with Burnham?

@FallenPhoenix86

5 жыл бұрын

Tbh I kinda thought it was heading for Pike getting put in the wheelchair.

Connolly died because he disagreed with Mary Sue Burnham, the bestest test pilot, science officer Vulcan wannabe evah!

@DouglasZanini

5 жыл бұрын

Well they told her she could be anything, didn't they ?

@Tryptic214

5 жыл бұрын

At only 15 years old, the youngest officer in the fleet!

@GregXL1200L

5 жыл бұрын

Is AC short for Ass Crack?

My biggest gripes on this episode: A science officer gets permission to invade the privacy of the First Officer of another ships private quarters to snoop around for no stated reason? Spock is on approved leave, Pike flies all the way back to Enterprise so Burnam can break protocol and cannon and sneak around his 1st officers quarters.. this makes no sense! Also, last season we had a space tardigrade that could somehow travel thru space, but STD got sued for stealing the entire premise from a video game, so now we conveniently find a ROCK that can do the same thing? really? a fricken rock was as creative as you can get? no wonder you were stealing ideas before, this show needs new writers. Finally, have you ever watched a kids show like Harry Potter or others and wondered why the adults were so stupid and the kids have to solve all the problems and are so much better at everything? Well, some of these new shows do that with women, the women are the hero figures and everyone else is much less intelligent and less capable. As soon as that guy disagreed with Burnam, I knew he was a dead duck. I actually liked the actor and character of Pike, but the way this show will make him look like an idiot next to our HEROINE will be extremely aggravating to watch. First episode with our new captain and Burnam has to save his life... how did he survive up till now without her help?

3:18 "The canon protagonists are all overwhelmed with admiration for her beauty, wit, courage and other virtues and are quick to adopt her as one of their true companions, even characters who are usually antisocial and untrusting; if any character doesn't love her, that character gets an extremely unsympathetic portrayal." - TV Tropes on Mary Sues. Anyone who doesn't realize Burnham is a Mary Sue is an idiot.

@Joshlmooney

5 жыл бұрын

While reading this I thought you were talking about Burnham, until I reached the end.

@Cuthalu

5 жыл бұрын

That's also pretty much how narcissists and narcissists "court" works. One has to wonder whether the entire STD is just a delusion, a daydream, that Burnham is having.

@slingeroftruth

5 жыл бұрын

It's a cavalcade of cringe and narcissistic gender delusions of grandeur.

@valken666

5 жыл бұрын

Written by Ted Sullivan (Supergirl), Gretchen J. Berg & Aaron Harberts (Women's Murder Club ). Ultra-feminists hired by the soyboy Alex Kurtzman, whose only good work was Xena in the 2000s. These people are paid by the MSM, like CBS's David Stapf to further their agenda. They try so hard that they end up empowering the right.

@katofdarkcrest

5 жыл бұрын

@@Cuthalu you deserve 1000 thumbs up for this statement

I will NEVER pay for CBS streaming My Lord ! This crud I just can't justify. I'm sorry CBS do some Entertainment .

@lamebubblesflysohigh

5 жыл бұрын

You can watch it on Netflix.... but why would you? I am not :D

@danang5

5 жыл бұрын

people wont even torrent this crap,some that already did out of curiosity probably regret their decision

@joshuacr

5 жыл бұрын

And while it isn't as publicized, look at what happened to The Good Wife when it went to the good fight on all access. They took a great show that used to have challenging ethical concerns and a progressive but not in your face woman lawyer set up, and made it entirely Progressive sjw PC bullcrap.

@joshuacr

5 жыл бұрын

@@lamebubblesflysohigh I don't want them getting any type of extra royalty Because of You worship numbers no matter how slim that might be. I want to make sure I do not give any support showing in any way whatsoever by viewership to CBS Paramount and the companies supporting this Star Trek discovery.

@joshuacr

5 жыл бұрын

@@danang5 I believe a virus from downloading a torrent would be more friendly than this show.

These are the voyages of the USS Discovery, NPC-1031. Those who know Burnham love her. Those who do not know her, love her from afar. The shirts are as red as a 92% Rotten Tomato pro review. The positive reviews are spun faster than the Discovery spore drive.

I want all future reviews done with just the characters colour mentioned, not their name or position, just their colour. White guy insults brown girl, white guy dies. White girl makes cute noises. White guy give orders, brown girl say no, me smarter. Its bloody Bizaro world.

critics dont have the balls to give a bad review to "politically correct" shows and movies.

Honestly who didn't see this coming though?

@Hunter-rb5up

5 жыл бұрын

I don't know that much about Star Trek and even I could see this wasn't gonna be very good. "Modernized" takes on legendary legacy IPs usually don't work out anyway. Especially in today's entertainment climate.

@joshuacr

5 жыл бұрын

The fanbois didn't see this coming.

@edwardcullen1739

5 жыл бұрын

Decision not to watch season 2: Vindicated

Rotten Tomatoes is such crap. Ghostbusters 2016, Oceans 8 and The Worst Jedi (puke) were the start of this massive downfall of their credibility. So, I absolutely do not consider the opinions of the "professional" critics on RT. They are all ass kissers and shills.

@MichaelPohoreski

5 жыл бұрын

Daryl Mosely At least we got some "revenge" for _Stupid Wars: The Latest Junk_ -- the toys aren't selling at all. _Get woke, go broke!_ LOL.

@disposable_hero1725

5 жыл бұрын

You know Captain Marvel is going to get a 100% fresh RT score.

@darylmosely4040

5 жыл бұрын

@@disposable_hero1725 You know that's true. It will be just like The Last Jedi. All the social justice coward "reviewers" will gush all over it with a 100%. The fan score? I am estimating 40% at best. Let Brie Larson keep shooting off her mouth and pissing off the pans. It may not ever get to 40%.

I started watching Enterprise again after the latest episode of Discovery.

I'm so glad I don't watch this show. So since I don't watch it whatever is happening on it is not canon to me. :D

@joshuacr

5 жыл бұрын

It is Canon like the way a cannon fires a cannonball and hits you Cannon.

The critic score means nothing to me. What's the audience score?

So when's the Star Trek Discovery and Supergirl crossover? It can be an episode on Toxic Masculinity.

@thestorm99

5 жыл бұрын

It'll take place on Doctor Who.

The Orville is the new Star Trek...

@MichaelPohoreski

5 жыл бұрын

_One is a Trek parody ... ... the other The Orville._ =P

@robmx2324

5 жыл бұрын

Orville rules!

@gameplaytactics4362

5 жыл бұрын

@Harry Beaver ya cause a shedude named mike is much better

@gameplaytactics4362

5 жыл бұрын

@Harry Beaver you cant trust review sites no more

@solucaoatende

5 жыл бұрын

@MGazT; so says.... A shitty random asshole???

I can't wait for this show to be revealed as a holodeck fantasy and Mikey Spock is really Barclay.

@joehanna3623

5 жыл бұрын

Whenever a Barkeley episode came on TNG, or Voyager, I just shut it off. I hated Barkley. Really, I tried to like him, truly. But, the guy got on my nerves. I didn't know if it was the actor portraying him, or the way he was written. But now, I'll take Barkeley any day over Mikey Spock!

@Fuzzycat16

5 жыл бұрын

@@joehanna3623 oh cmon! they where not THAT bad.............

@rwuttke

5 жыл бұрын

@@joehanna3623 Reginald did get a lot better and was not too bad in Voyager.

@joshuacr

5 жыл бұрын

@@joehanna3623 it took me years later and several KZread videos to realize that Barkley was a flawed realistic human being while all these Star Trek people are this Teflon Untouchable by the ridiculously traumatic events that happened and week after week. This is why after all is said and done Barkley became one of the best people in Starfleet years later. Because he had realistic flaws he overcame and Rose above the superhumans that had no flaws except when it was in the script. But I can understand if you weren't interested in neurotic in Star Trek, this is the future after all.

@joshuacr

5 жыл бұрын

@Caliban777 I have only one suggestion, instead hold my beer, hold my case of beer already drunk. But yeah.

Guy disagrees with Burnham = INSTANT DEATH. I literally laughed knowing that he was going to die, but I didn't know he'd die so quickly! Burnham is right, even when she's wrong. The sad part is, the Galaxy Quest show within a show was more Trek than Discovery, and it was a satire. "Never give up; never surrender!"

@Sgt_Glory

5 жыл бұрын

By Grabthar's hammer, what a disaster....

@kevinintheusa8984

5 жыл бұрын

Galaxy Quest is the best Star Trek not called Star Trek. It is one of my favorite movies and we watch it every Christmas right after we watch The Santa Clause.

@Krytern

5 жыл бұрын

This is the problem with you fanboys. All you want is a TNG remake or it "isn't Trek enough".

@Thisisreallystupid

5 жыл бұрын

@@Krytern You're wrong. Take a look at The Orville. For most fans, that is "Trek enough". I was raised on Original Trek. TNG was, to me, "Star Trek: The Pepsi Generation" for the first season... then it got much better... then it got Wesley'd, then they dumped Wesley and it got good again. Burnham is Wesley x100, without any of the goofy "aw shucks" likability that Wesley had. The only Star Trek besides the original that was good from the starting gun was Voyager... and even that was a little too strongly "Women's Lib" for me, since no male character could be the one who actually solved a problem... even the ace hot-shot pilot guy couldn't be given a win without help or direction from a woman... and Discovery takes that to a whole new level!

@Krytern

5 жыл бұрын

@@Thisisreallystupid The Orville is closer to TNG, that is why it is more liked by the fanboys. So no, my point still stands.

I like Orville more than STD. I think season 2 is the last season for STD.

Your review has proven to me I was right in the decision to NOT watch this so called Star Trek incarnation.

Pretty obvious from the "reviews" the shills have no interest in offering a honest review of this show, thus, it's clear the show runners are uninterested in what fans want. This is the hallmark of political activists, they double and triple down and take any criticism as a sign that their message is resonating or having its desired effect. These people think the previous Trek is unworthy, and they're lined up ready to endorse the new show unanimously. Pathetic.

@randomicus4782

5 жыл бұрын

i prefer imdb. gotta love 5 year old randomly named 5* reviews as their only activity. wonder how much a shill sockpuppet account costs from imdb. on the bright side orville still rocks

@XTFiles

5 жыл бұрын

"Honesty" is a word that is inherently misogynistic and thus tied to toxic masculinity, so they don't espouse that archaic practice used by the patriarchy. To most men they would recognize sarcasm, a feminist would read that line and nod like a good little NPC. I would punch my TV after watching this episode, but I love it too much, don't kill the messenger, right? :-D

@joshuacr

5 жыл бұрын

@@randomicus4782 well Orville has had only three episodes of this season and at least has gone down while Discovery has pretty much flat lined from the get-go and its level of bad. But worse is worse.

@DirtyBoySingToGod

5 жыл бұрын

It's proving to be a very, very successful tactic so far. They'll win eventually. And these kinds of people win turn somewhat fringe views into the mainstream. There is literally no way to beat them. They hold absolutely all the cards.

@claysmith8135

5 жыл бұрын

@@DirtyBoySingToGod Damn, that sucks to think about.

you know that your scifi is bad when I skip it.... and I dont skip over ANY scifi I can find

@solesxtoes3582

5 жыл бұрын

hunteranubis but the one you just skipped? S K I P C E P T I O N

Im kinda happy I don't watch Star Trek. After DW season 11, I don't think I could stomach having more of my series destroyed.

I tried watching STD season 1, I stopped after 2 episodes, that wasn't Star Trek for me (been watching since Classic Trek). Gave season 2 a chance, wanted to punch Mikey again. I don't think I will continue. By the way, I am waiting for a male character to be named Maria or Elizabeth and not be considered odd to say the least, since it's fine to name a female character Michael...

@MFPRego

5 жыл бұрын

Im exactly like you! Watched the first 2 episodes and didnt anymore... Been watching the Orville instead, now that feels like star trek

@luisarruda3061

5 жыл бұрын

MGazT Then, you have an very disgusting taste for TV shows... Discovery is not ST, and it will never be.

@luisarruda3061

5 жыл бұрын

MGazT Saying that Discovery is ST, is like saying that communism works. Discovery is only a platform, where the politically correct, femiNAZIS, SJWs and commies can spread their sick ideals. Thankfully, Discovery isn’t very popular here in Brazil.

@luisarruda3061

5 жыл бұрын

MGazT Star trek isn’t communist, it is a POST-SCARCITY UTOPIA, a place where every material need can be satisfied by using technology(replicators). I call Discovery propaganda, because it IS propaganda.

@luisarruda3061

5 жыл бұрын

MGazT Says the guy who likes Discovery...

I am waiting for the writers to reveal Michael Burnham is indeed God herself in human form. Sweet Jesus, how far are they going to push female vanity and perfection in a single character, who apparently is never wrong, that nobody should argue with lest they show their own imperfection. Unbelievable narcissism at the cost of story telling, art, and reality. It's disgusting.

@MKDumas1981

5 жыл бұрын

Lest they die!

@valken666

5 жыл бұрын

We are looking at the dreams of Gretchen J. Berg.

@rwuttke

5 жыл бұрын

Nah, maybe Michael is Q fucking with them?

@joshuacr

5 жыл бұрын

If that's true, to quote Captain Kirk in what used to be the worst Star Trek ever, "What does God want with a Starship?"

@slingeroftruth

5 жыл бұрын

@@joshuacr What does a Starship need with a God, was sort of the point. There would be no Star Trek without that first one which people refused to let go despite only being on for two seasons, if that.

I found it funny that this episode visibly tried to inject some (artificial-feeling) humor into the show. Feeling threatened by The Orville much?

@Slavir_Nabru

5 жыл бұрын

That elevator scene was such a flat falling imitation. The cringe factor was unbearable.

@tommycharles4666

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was very cringe. They're military officers. They're not at band camp.

@KRAFTWERK2K6

5 жыл бұрын

yeah it was already obvious when they released the trailer for Season 2 how much they (desperately) try to cash in on what makes people rather watch The Orville instead of the shit travesty they sell us as "Star Trek".

@borusa32

5 жыл бұрын

@@KRAFTWERK2K6 : the galaxy is a big enough place for The Orville, Discovery,JJ verse and ,even, Star Trek: Nemesis-ok not that last one.

@KRAFTWERK2K6

5 жыл бұрын

​@@borusa32 Fair enough, I'm not disagreeing with you on this. They should have just not insisting on STD being a Star Trek Prequel… or Star Trek at all. If it would have been a Standalone NEW Sci-Fi Show it would have made a lot more sense.

Geezus, fuggin love listening to you. It's like hanging out with a cousin or an old friend down the street filling me in on all the media I don't watch anymore and giving me a laugh.

I wonder if these "critics" even understand why the redshirts dieing is a trope? Here's a secret: it was because in TOS security officers wore red. TNG, DS9, and VOY already "subverted" that trope by making security officers wear yellow. Why are critics the least knowledgeable these days? When I was a kid TV and movie critics were bottomless pits of trivia on the film industry.

@anlumo1

5 жыл бұрын

The redshirts also were the extras we never had seen before and so were expendable to the overall story.

@spacedinosaur8733

5 жыл бұрын

And if I remember correctly the red shirts we're also named after some tv exec or some such that had pissed off Gene Roddenberry that week.. So he could enjoy watching them die.

@elihenline6089

5 жыл бұрын

Sotty and Ryker both wore red shirts...

@kevinintheusa8984

5 жыл бұрын

Now critics are bottomless pits of stupid.

@matthewcabanasaddley9849

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Redshirts only died during TOS. To say that they subverted 50 years of expectations is ludicrous, there have literally been 4 Star Trek series since then where no one wearing a red shirt has died.

If it is so good why am I watching DS9 instead - oh I know because STD is crap. I just watched the "Dax" episode on DS9 - fantastic writing.

@joshuacr

5 жыл бұрын

Remember when we complained that Deep Space Nine caused a war in the Federation and that was a huge No-No in Canon according to the classic Roddenberry? I would take a civil war any second of any day over this crap they're doing currently.

@HappyBeezerStudios

5 жыл бұрын

Long story arcs, complex characters, focus on uncomfortable social issues, questioning norms? Yeah, DS9 did that better.

@MaestroTJS

5 жыл бұрын

@@joshuacr Roddenberry was kind of a fucking idiot, especially in his later years. We can thank him for the smug, condescending attitude that made so many early episodes of TNG nearly unwatchable.

@MaestroTJS

5 жыл бұрын

@Rhapsody The Blue I quit watching it and didn't get into it until after it had gone off the air...but it's also my favourite.

@MaestroTJS

5 жыл бұрын

​@MGazT Nostalgia aside, Discovery is just a terribly-written show. Maybe you're dazzled by the effects and the production values, but the characters, the "stories" (such as they are), and the plot are just fucking awful. Maybe they're all right to the part of the audience that enjoys the nonsensical and terribly-written plots of movies over the past 15-20 years or so, but their idea of fleshing out "complex ideas" comes down to Burnham giving a 20-30 second lecture about how the other person is wrong. Really compelling stuff right there. The first two seasons of TNG were also unwatchable because of the unnatural politics they decided to inject into the show, much like Discovery is doing. There is a big difference between now and then though, which is that a lot of the best shows from the past 15 years or so (and there have been a lot) is that they came straight out of the gate being great. There aren't 25-30 episodes per season anymore for writers to get it right *eventually* . If you removed the badging and the references to various Star Trek characters from canon, there is practically nothing identifying it with the Star Trek universe since they have changed everything within the Star Trek universe to the point it isn't recognizable. It's just another sci-fi show. Every season we get new retardedness. Last season, we had Klingons that were really more like some reptilian race (like, say, the Xindi reptilians), now we have smiling, empathetic Vulcans. Sure, whatever! But you know, I'm actually open-minded enough that maybe I wouldn't complain if it was really compelling and well-done, with real depth to the characters and the story--but it isn't.

Have the directors and writers even watched StarTrek or did someone just describe it to them down a long hollow tube while they had their eyes closed? It's space, if you don't follow orders, you don't go on missions. Especially orders from the Captain. BAILEY: Sir, we going to just let it hold us here? We've got phaser weapons. I vote we blast it. KIRK: I'll keep that in mind, Mister Bailey, when this becomes a democracy.

The funny thing is that they probably haven't watched the Orville. So they base what they think people like from that show on the critic reviews where they talk about fart jokes and frat humor. They add that into STD thinking there now we're funny like those idiot viewers want. In reality people watch the Orville because it has character development for likeable people, positive societal outlook and it's social commentary is blended in a traditional Star trek way as to make the viewer think and not beat them to death with one side of an issue. In other words, they are incompetent at understanding and copying the thing that makes the Orville more Star trek than their show.

Statistically speaking, you're more likely to die wearing command gold than security/engineer red in TOS. You just see Red Shirts die more often simply because most of the crew are in security/engineering... so it appears more visible from law of averages.

Oh,Brother aka STD:Search for Speck.

@derkernspalter

5 жыл бұрын

@Graham Meek And out of the audience.

@williampoole1742

5 жыл бұрын

Speck hahahahaha

Woke trek discovery?

@hapokas112

5 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@gregoryams

5 жыл бұрын

@@hapokas112 i love you . Not gay. Just a man.

@elihenline6089

5 жыл бұрын

star Trek has always been "woke", it's just the studios have not always seen it that way. The fans know better.

@DagobertX2

5 жыл бұрын

@@elihenline6089 Not really "woke" as that is a pejorative word. Woke is like "look, this is bad because I say so and you should not do this, you should feel bad if you do". While Trek is more like "look, this is the situation and here are the sides, I think like this, they think like this, showing both sides, we try to solve the problem in some way, now you(the watcher) evaluate and think about it". Basically "woke" is more preachy.

@MaestroTJS

5 жыл бұрын

@@DagobertX2 TNG was pretty fucking preachy, especially before Roddenberry kicked the bucket. It was sad to see considering how balanced TOS often was. The later series also could be preachy but it was tolerable. This show doesn't even attempt to get at anything deep.

I remember reading an article that crunched the numbers and it found blue shirts (iirc) were actually the most killed per capita. One of the reasons why red shirts get killed a lot is because 1) they're on screen more than any other color and 2) they are security so they are in dangerous situations where the get killed more spectacularly. But if you looked at the per capita per shirt, blue shirts got killed more when they appeared and also were the most rare color to appear so it was harder to notice.

As a brown female I should (according to progressives) love Discovery, and yet I think it's a soul-less piece of crap. I'm a strong female, but I don't need to ram it down men's throats. I love myself as a brown female, but I don't feel the need to berate and belittle white guys at every turn. This show epitomises everything wrong with progressives. They are toxic, nasty, petty people who don't mind making up lies just to push a bunch of rubbish. I was going to give Discovery a second chance, but nah...it's not worth another second of my time. I'm looking forward to the next season of THE ORVILLE.

@StAnger561to770

5 жыл бұрын

Bravo! Well said, agreed. You sound incredibly smart and cool.

@glgallant710

5 жыл бұрын

hey good for you for being proud of yourself but not being defined by your gender or skin color. when i was young i watched trek and it tought not to judge someone on that and this new show std (how appropriate) is teaching people just that everyone is equal except white men to hell with them and there reviews of the show well it makes me wonder how they think that white men are not going to get upset really how can you sit thereand not expect a group of people not to get insaulted by the same politacal bullshit that is infecting the world oh and then throw in that burnham and yes i know its spelt wrong i did it unporpose is sappose to teach spock empathy but wait didnt i hear them that white people have no empathy by blm hmmmmmmm. white men have every right to be insaulted and no group should advocate for the destruction of another or insaulting another by there race is what i hear so they should stop being so racist and live by there own words.

@maureentuohy8672

5 жыл бұрын

Astrum If there looking for a smart, competent, strong, independent and beautiful brown woman to love and admire look no further then season one of TOS. Of course I mean my favorite Communications Officer Lieutenant Uhura. When I saw her on the bridge for the first time at 15 I was so excited to see a woman having all the fun the guys did. I truly did want to be her.

@pussymagnet93

5 жыл бұрын

@MGazT well said by the modern pussified template of a man

@kintarooe7745

5 жыл бұрын

as a white male i shall thank you from the bottom of my heart! Thank you!

Shocking! Their predicability is getting embarrassing.

@KRAFTWERK2K6

5 жыл бұрын

We can't make then tell the truth. But we can make them lie even more shamelessly.

Ass "CHILLing" continues on Rotten Tomatoes they are destroying there once respected rating system. I just look at the audience scores only... most critics have been purchased!

@slyseal2091

5 жыл бұрын

On another hand, they are probably getting more traffic than ever now that people are inclined to vote.

@joshuacr

5 жыл бұрын

They don't even need to purchase them anymore, they just bully them that they will be shut out and boycotted and bullied because obviously they're on the right side so they could bully people. And when I say right side I mean right side of History, not the left side censorship that they are actually on.

@HowToTutorialHelp

5 жыл бұрын

Josh they “believe” they are on the correct side of history but history will not he written by leftists. People are rejecting this fake commie bullshit in the US and across Europe. Its only a matter of time. These companies are lose tons of money and it can’t last forever. Just as socialism ALWAYS fails this attempt will too.

@joshuacr

5 жыл бұрын

@@HowToTutorialHelp I'm with you brother! I don't care if it's commie left or fascist right, you don't force people to take your viewpoints and claim it's the right thing. History will not smile upon this phase like it didn't smile up on politically correct in 1990.

That end article was the best Trek related material I have read in a long time. Xander you Rock and I will decline your drinking game because it would end with hospitalization for alcohol poisoning.

Morning mate from Australia. Always love seeing the original Hitchhikers in the background!

In next week's episode they land on the planet Shill, where Michael Burnham uses a matter resequencer to turn water into wine, a tractor beam to part the sea, a replicator to feed five thousand, and a forcefield to walk on water.

@slyseal2091

5 жыл бұрын

Did you just reference a *w h i t e m a l e* religion?

@joshuacr

5 жыл бұрын

I believe the episode is directed by Jesus Cristo

Shill is the Word! This episode stinks.And, is Michael Burnham becoming more intolerable?

@HenriZwols

5 жыл бұрын

More? Have you seen season 1?? More isn't possible!

@MKDumas1981

5 жыл бұрын

@@HenriZwols: Killing people that dare to challenge her? I'd say that's more intolerable.

@kamakazed3747

5 жыл бұрын

Um ya have to be a little tolerable to get worse she/he started out on the bottom and is desperately slamming zer face on it to get out

@rwuttke

5 жыл бұрын

@@HenriZwols Dude, don't go there, they will see that as a challenge.

@joshuacr

5 жыл бұрын

@@MKDumas1981 is it killing them if you let them die because you're so Superior could have prevented it but you don't because you know best and they don't you let them do their own stupidity? Yeah I think it is.

96% score from "critics" and 4% from ACTUAL FANS

why can't I see any audience reviews on RT for this show? It looks like the audience section is broken and when i click the link it just 404's me

Hey, I have already trade marked the Micheal Burnham has a red and blue suit with a cape, my Spock description was a " Children of the Corn " reference but Damien a better description. Season 1 episode, when Connelly gets ASSteroided for mansplaining, in my head I hear a wife telling a husband how to drive and the directions and he gets distracted causing them to get Hit By A MAC Truck. If you want to see Super Burnham watch the attempted beam out from the Hiawatha when Burnham gets blown into a different room. She starts running and Mission Impossible music plays in your head as she is Ethan Hunting her way through debris, but then a building is falling on her position and she stays just ahead of it as the sequence switches to Superman music and she rips of her space suit revealing an S and red cape. Wow, you are calling it right Nerdrotic. Lately they have screwed up Star Wars, Star Trek and Network TV. It is almost as if the 1 percent Rich Elite Robber Barrons that are paying for the show don't have any idea what real American like or think. The same people destroying America and paying for Propaganda on their News Outlets can't seem to hire writers, " and let them write what they know ", instead they have taken polls of their fake News and determined Societies movements and picked the leading movements caused by their Propaganda. This is almost as stupid as the large Networks thinking that people are dropping 100 channels Direct Tv for $50.00, to buy each Network for $10.00 a piece, which would cost $100.00. It is the age old argument that the 1 percent Rich want robots to replace all labor so they can make 100 percent profit. Everyone but them, realizes that without consumers that that profit will be zero.

If it was their stated purpose to put the silliest-looking, most terrible wig on Kiddy Spock, what would they have done any differently?

@joshuacr

5 жыл бұрын

I'm going with Tribble hair piece

As a woman of color, I have experienced the same hostility that the character of Michael/Shanequa has experienced. For years audiences have watched white males be written as the saviors of the day. Now, that the shoe is on the other foot, the same audience is upset that a black woman is written the same way as a white male. William Shatner rarely let Nichelle Nicole's have lines and this is exactly how a lot of fan boys are treating STD! That Nimoy's Spock was superior to his crewmates was literally forced feed to fans. This goes for Data and Seven of Nine. That women in Trek have been basically eye candy especially Uhura and Troi is something no one wants to admit. To balance this out these women were given a handful of episodes in which they shined! Female fans went crazy when this happened because it proved that Uhu4a and Troi had a brain. After that, writers were more careful of how they wrote women especially Janeway. That said men have always been the center of Trek. This can be seen in the fact that CBS/Paramount offered Patrick Stewart his own series skipping over his castmates as if they were unworthy! This in light of the fact that people have begged to bring the TNG crew back! Therefore, a woman has to suffer for the poorly made decisions of mostly male writers and producers! I think fans need to take a chill pill and be happy with what they can get: a woman of color who is the Cleopatra Jones of her day!

National Television Awards (NTAs) in the United Kingdom is in a few days.. and guess what British show and lead actress is on the shortlist for best TV series and Best Actress. Doctor Who and Jodie Whittikar LMAO.... Seriously??

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there a certain White Male Lieutenant who was just as self centered, and was overtly critical of Burnham in season 1, or does Stamets get a pass on the count of being diverse? Furthermore, Connolly was not the only officer disobey a captain direct order. Why is it when Connoly does this it's male privilege whereas when Burnham does it, it's cute. Disappointed in the double standards.

@Kit_Kat_Catastrophe

5 жыл бұрын

He may be white and male but he gets a pass because he fills the gay slot, but he may be on his way out because he may go off to teach and be replaced by miss perfect engineer, who will fill the gay character quota.

@tommycharles4666

5 жыл бұрын

Stamets is gay, so he's safe.

@whiskeyhound

5 жыл бұрын

@@tommycharles4666 For now...

@theroyalpotato8390

5 жыл бұрын

@@tommycharles4666 that is unless another wild gay appears, whenever there are two, one MUST die..... especially when they are romantically involved.

Audience score is 40% as of a few seconds ago.

@Marveryn

5 жыл бұрын

I would think the audience score be actually higher giving that most that hated the first season most likely wouldn't be around the second season and that leave just those die hard fans that got to watch everything star trek and those that actually enjoy the first season. You know the people from the mary sue

@gpaje

5 жыл бұрын

To be honest, the audience score is probably influenced by a bunch of angry Star Trek fans who didn't even watch the show.

@williamkinsey4979

5 жыл бұрын

I think that says it all!LOL

@denz8261

5 жыл бұрын

24%

@acerbicinspirations5978

5 жыл бұрын

@@denz8261 Keeps getting better and better.

Just checked to be sure, but the reason there is no audience score is because, at least in my country, I cannot place a review on season one or the first episode. Perhaps the blocked the audience review option?

I really liked DS9, that was my favorite Star Trek!

wasnt the redshirt thing invalid since TNG?

If they tie in the perceived tryst between Spock and Burnham to his affections toward Uhura then I'm done. Let it die.

@joehanna3623

5 жыл бұрын

Spock and Uhura as an item, was in the, 'JJ Verse'. Now that that's over, can we accept the Spock and Uhura romance as part of Canon, or a parallel Cannon?

@MKDumas1981

5 жыл бұрын

New term: "canon fodder".

@dandeliondown6010

5 жыл бұрын

@MKDumas1981 . LOL

@AC-gb7do

5 жыл бұрын

J Hanna Spock and Uhura was never actual canon, just some weird nonsense in the Kelvinverse.

@kegorogers

5 жыл бұрын

Are we debating if the abomination that is Star Trek: Discovery is canon? I thought the producers, writers, cast, and crew already stated they are boldly going where no Star Trek has gone before. This is the JJ-verse, whether we like or not - most of us have chosen not, and we're saying it with our wallets.

lol, what a shit show (the whole situation, rotten tomato scores and STD itself too). Star Trek Fan since I was ~8. Watched all the reruns of TOS as a kid. TNG was a family event. I can't fathom how STD is still running. It's just mind poison at this point. It really hurts to the core to see Star Trek be perverted like this. I blame Disney and copy right law issues for this. Franchises that are this old need to move to the public domain. Fans make better stuff.

@slasaru

5 жыл бұрын

fun fact: STD = Sexually Transmitted Disease as well

@InformantNet

5 жыл бұрын

Star Trek doesn't belong to you. My advice to you is the same as my advice to @Nerdrotic: If you hate it, don't watch it. Watch your reruns and fan films. Problem solved.

@bpkdasbaum

5 жыл бұрын

@@InformantNet I already do, I already do. Still sad about it though.

@InformantNet

5 жыл бұрын

@John Sowers Well, John, you're certainly entitled to your own informed opinion. You're also entitled to change the channel if there's a show on TV you don't like. But the "angry Conservative white male" screed is tiresome, divisive, and harmful. And juvenile.

@frateranpvbail-shm6912

5 жыл бұрын

@@InformantNet *social justice advocate confirmed* Free Helicopter ride?

I read comments on /r/startrek about the new episode while at work. I got excited. "Funny! Way better than season 1!" So, I rushed home. I put on the episode... and stopped watching at the pod racing scene. I got a bit emotional. It was so bad. Then, I revisited the /r/startrek page I was looking at 6 hours earlier and the most recent post, from 20 minutes before, was, "Funny! Way better than season 1!" The Star Trek subreddit is LITERALLY full of shills. This should be illegal. BTW: Picard always wore a red shirt ... he never died.

@kolakowj

5 жыл бұрын

Alan Parris they changed the uniform colors in THG, Patrick Stewart looked awful in gold. The trope only refers to TOS.

@Fuzzycat16

5 жыл бұрын

He did get stabbed through the heart and became a Borg...

@tommycharles4666

5 жыл бұрын

Anything negative about Discovery quickly gets voted down on r/startrek. It's completely useless. It's a circlejerk.

@alanparris8823

5 жыл бұрын

@@kolakowj That is why i have nothing but eye rolls when i read, 'the red shirt didnt die lolz'

@MLB9000

5 жыл бұрын

Well, apart from that one time

reviews that are not reviews is a major problem.

When will we no the viewership numbers?

@derekmcmanus1423

5 жыл бұрын

ben31uk never! 😀

@Kit_Kat_Catastrophe

5 жыл бұрын

Never...they will just say it's the best show ever and never show any proof. Have you ever watched CBS on cable? They have the best everything...best comedy, best drama, best action! Their shows are all the best with no proof needed!

@abernathyrah3513

5 жыл бұрын

It's just under 10 million, infact it has had a larger viewership than enterprise had.

@abernathyrah3513

5 жыл бұрын

@@coreyannis3088 google

@abernathyrah3513

5 жыл бұрын

@@coreyannis3088 no one wants to pay for all these new streaming services, its ridiculous. Worse than cable now

Anyone else notice the Star Trek reboot scenes in this episode of Discovery? 1) Pike in command, comes out of warp into a field of debris 2) High speed "drop" out of a ship headed towards their destination 3) Star of the show does a "free fall" grabbing another character to control their descent to avoid death. ( 1 happened basically the same, 2 was a different take on the descent through the atmosphere and 3 was when Kirk jumped off the mining laser to save Sulu so the Enterprise could get a lock on for the transporter ) Just out of curiosity did Kurtzman just reuse his old script?

Ensign mount is the captain now? Holy shit, that's one hell of a promotion!

I just saw the season 2 trailer. It looks pretty awesome but I think I’ll pass on this one. No need to endure this mess when we have shows with good writing like The Orville, The Expanse, Travelers, Timeless, etc.

@justinwhite2725

5 жыл бұрын

Timeless is just as full of ibtersectional bs as std is. Unless they got better after the first season (I stopped watching) I do agree on the other 3 though.

@johalun

5 жыл бұрын

Justin White I’m almost finished with Timeless season 2 and I love it (way better than S1). Not so much sci-fi but good story, character development, music and film. Of course there are some journeys to times when women and black are treated as “less worth” than white men (which they of course let the viewers know) but there’s no preaching or lecturing like Dr Who. It’s at a realistic level. Actually Timeless is kind of a different category than the other three but I included it because I’m watching it now and think it holds a very high quality.

@Jashtvorak

5 жыл бұрын

Johannes Lundberg So, your argument with other good shows was ripped as people seems to hate Timeless as they do ST... Could be that this is all just subjective??? I don't care about white/black straight/gay in any way so i am happy with ST. All the Star Trek fans rage about some SJW bullshit just fly by, not touching me.

@johalun

5 жыл бұрын

@@Jashtvorak "I don't care about white/black straight/gay in any way so i am happy with ST." As me, other commenters and any KZread reviewer I've seen have repeated many times, gender and skin color is not an issue nor the source of negativity towards STD (or GB2016/SW TLJ/Dr WHo/etc). Personally I don't understand the hate towards Timeless (I didn't even know there was any). It has 100% critic score and 95% audience score on Rotten tomatoes. The shows that are ruined by PC and SJW agendas tend to have high critic score and very low audience score.

@Pavel_M_Mihalik

5 жыл бұрын

The Orville? LOL , good joke 😂😂😂

I don't know how people defend RT. Highlights five star reviews that don't review the show. C'mon clowns, not even trying to hide it are you?

Many modern writers and directors don't get this little thing called subtlety. I mean, Star Trek has always been about equality and social progress, but that's the beauty of Star Trek: it never threw it in people's faces. It was just a natural, organic part of the series through the diverse casts, making sure to avoid certain tropes and phrases, and making good stories with subtle undertones of futurist or social commentary. Yet where other Star Trek series and movies approached these subjects with the precision and grace of a surgical tool, Star Trek Discovery approaches it with a busted sledgehammer. Killing off certain character types is not a Star Trek trope, it's a horror movie trope and one that is typically not done well anymore even in a sarcastic/funny type of way. A Star Trek trope would be for that character to learn that their behaviour is wrong, or at least for the society around them to, not to just go "oh lets kill off this character because vengeance is the new norm for people whose thoughts are offensive and we don't agree with. Screw teaching them a lesson when the best lesson for people whose thoughts we don't agree with is DEATH." Discovery is less a Star Trek series as it is a test by the owners of the TV rights to target certain demographics with storytelling rather than just telling compelling stories. They are simply trying to cater to the "social justice" movement...which was already unneeded because Star Trek was already socially progressive long before now and doing it with far more tact, grace and subtlety. In this sense, The Orville performs as a far more faithful Star Trek series than Discovery, and it isn't even a part of the canon.

Looking at individual reviews - you can do that on imdb. It started off at 8.5 during - it's dropping (at the moment down to 7.7, which tbf is still freaking high for imbd but it'll probably keep going down).

STD: The most inferior Star Trek ever.

@snipedude4953

5 жыл бұрын

Its inferior to Space 1999, but I like Space 1999.

@system0fadowner251

5 жыл бұрын

Eh I don't hate it as much as some (tho I'm not a hardcore trekkie) and I think it's better than Enterprises first 2 seasons, but it's far too on the nose with its politics and unlike all the classic series, has no ability to merge those messages with interesting lovable characters and great sci fi concepts. They're putting politics above the sci fi now and thats why its derailing. The franchise was already a beautiful depiction of a future far left society and didnt need this.

@In4FunToo

5 жыл бұрын

@@snipedude4953 I like Space 1999 too

@rwuttke

5 жыл бұрын

@@snipedude4953 I would watch Battlefield Earth and enjoy it more than this.

@Nautilus1972

5 жыл бұрын

Balls. That was Enterprise. I loved STD.

yeah I found the new shows representation of Spock broken, he was trying his whole like to control his human side and in this his father says for him to embrace it why.?

@Kit_Kat_Catastrophe

5 жыл бұрын

Because? Isn't it obvious Sarak is a Human in disguise? Smiling...ordering for entire a entire world to be destroyed...it's either that or the writers don't know a single thing about Star Trek other than names?

@valken666

5 жыл бұрын

@@Kit_Kat_Catastrophe I don't think the writers have enough attention span to watch the original series.

Remember, Paramount is legally required to change aspects of Prime Trek by at least 25% or they would be sued by Viacom. And what a 25% it is.

"It was an improvement over season one but, that like saying you improved water boarding by adding natural spring water" That actually got me laughing. I've never heard a better example than that! I agree that this show would have me at the edge of my seat, for about 10 seconds. After that, I'd've walked out of the room!

I stopped watching this show after the third episode or so. It was painful to listen to the Klingons speak. Like, I wanted to fast forward through those parts. My wife, who is a HUGE Trek fan didn't want to watch it, either. What we had learned is that straight white men are bad. That's about it. Apparently now Micheal is a super hero. Apparently she never went back to prison, where she obviously belonged, and gets away with insubordination on the bridge with a new captain? I don't think she'd have an "S" on her chest. Probably more like "SJW".

@Krytern

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah all you fanboys want is a TNG remake. Such a shame fanboys are so short sighted and narrow minded.

@mathunit1

5 жыл бұрын

@@Krytern Why the fuck are you blaming the fans for the pile of crap instead of the shitty creators who made it?

@damnimcooltom1

5 жыл бұрын

@@Krytern I've never been TNG fan, myself. It was also too preachy. For it's day, it had a lot of social lessons it was trying to push. I don't watch science fiction to be taught lessons. I watch for an escape from reality. And space ships, and explosions, etc. Picard was so boring, with all of his meetings. Data was always trying to be human. Wesley was always asking to be punched in the throat...

@damnimcooltom1

5 жыл бұрын

Are you allowed to shame people? I thought that was against the rules, now.

Are they going to make Pike gay ?

@nicknevco215

5 жыл бұрын

I'm afraid they might make Picard gay in his new series.

@gregoryams

5 жыл бұрын

@@nicknevco215 alergic reaction porg sex?

@gregoryams

5 жыл бұрын

Tribble.

@gregoryams

5 жыл бұрын

@@nicknevco215 picard's ass goes on a 5 year mission?

@valken666

5 жыл бұрын

Trans. There is no trans yet in the series.

Star Trek: Discovery is truly a highly polarizing "love it or leave it" television show. It's not the "Trek" you grew up with. It's not the "Trek" of the Gene Roddenberry Utopian future, celebrating human cooperation, ingenuity, and achievement, extending its hand of friendship to all the fellow inhabitants of our galactic neighborhood. This show is not about "exploring" or "discovering" anything. It is not about being the uplifting and fun "Family" show you can watch with your kids. Star Trek: Discovery is a hard-core science fiction show inspired by the Star Trek of yesteryear. It is a parallel universe where Unicorns and marshmallow mountains don't exist (unless it's created on a holodeck). This "Star Trek" is the expression of a dystopian universe modeled after our own. It's everything you see in the news today: Religious arrogance and intolerance; Same sex romance; Feminism; Intellectual Superiority; War and Hatred; ... and Superheros (of a sort). It truly represents the current polarization we see in our world and society. It's a world where there are no clear cut winners. This show is not really about escapism. This is where we are at as a society -- At war with ourselves. To be seen as an uncomfortable reflection of ourselves. This is what our "adults" look like in this future universe. It's a hard-core science fiction show where EVERYTHING is a target for Love or Hate. Star Trek: Discovery really is GREAT SCIENCE FICTION! (Inspired by Star Trek ... but not Star Trek.)

As frustrating as it is to see big studios keep on catering to a certain type of audience (that don't give a crap about shows/movies like these, other than trying to find something to complain about) rather than cater to an existing fan base I hope they don't stop. Let them learn the hard way, and I hope us fans keep on showing them the same loyalty and love, as the studios show to us. BTW I still haven't watched a single episode.

When the original Star Trek series was originally aired, did everyone wish that Uhura got her own episode? I did, and I'm sure everybody else did. That never happened. That is one of the disappointments of TOS. She had a semi lead on the Star Trek cartoon series, and I remember watching it and saying to myself, 'About time!' Several weeks ago, Sonequa "Walking Brain Dead" Martin-Green stated that some have a problem with a Black female lead. Really??? On Star Trek??? With Star Trek fans??? This only further proves that Martin-Green has not a clue of what Star Trek is about. In fact, her character of Michael Burnham, and the sociopathic writting on STD is an insult to the franchise, and the fans. Martin-Green should publicly apologize to fans for her incredibly stupid remarks.

@Paulafan5

5 жыл бұрын

None of the supporting actors really got their own episode. It was Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. But that was the way tv was done back then. The leads got the main story and the supporting characters supported the main ones. And a lot of people forget Guinan, who was just stunning. Whoopi's performance in Measure of a Man was amazing.

@Stefan-

5 жыл бұрын

I agree she has no grounds for saying that, the point is that we dislike bad TV (who doesnt ?)

@christophstahl8169

5 жыл бұрын

Every single episode, the writers would expand Uhuras part in the show and every single episode it was cut down again by the network. It's quite astonishing really that we did get Uhura at all.

96%, well damn this show must be great (Watches STD) I made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgement, and I don't expect to be forgiven

As an engineer, I can state that it would be absolutely stupid to have a pilot of a spaceship in this day and age, much less 200 years in the future. The movement of objects in space is entirely predictable, and a machine would be much better at recognizing debris and objects than any human being could. There's no way a computer wouldn't be driving a space ship today, much less 200 years from now.

well they have space angels now on discovery.... do we have to go any further?

It's got fantastic visuals. I'm trying my best to like it. The Feminism is way way too much. Female Genius on asteroid was dull boring & insulting. Captain pike "THEY TOLD ME IT WAS RED!" is way insulting. ("Dude where's my Car?" and "Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure" comes to mind ) Burnham needs to be nerfed. I like her though. (It's a guy thing. She's hot.) It's true, she is like a deity. It seems like they took the criticism and came up with less than ideal results. By less than ideal I mean they didn't listen at all and gave audiences back-handed comedy that insults the viewer's intelligence. It's as if someone said: "HEY GUISE! LETS DUMB DOWN THE COMEDY WITH SLAPSTICK! THEY'LL LOVE THAT!" That being said I will continue to watch it. I'm so glad Les Moonves is out. Alex Kurtzman needs to be kicked out as well. Get new writers. Make Jonathan Frakes the director permanently. The end

@ppsarrakis

5 жыл бұрын

wait what,she is hot? ye no.

@appleheaddefender

5 жыл бұрын

Squall LionHeart im extremely right winged but i have a crush on paul stamets

How about the sick content and the fact children shouldn't be watching it? They go on and on calling her Spock's sister, but now he has the hots for her. What a lovely concept, incest. Never Thought I'd see that in Star Trek. I'm not watching and won't ever now. I did hold a sliver of hope they learned something. Anyone who could make Spock perverted, it's just beyond tolerable. Next thing you know, they'll be sleeping together. Why not, everything that breathes wants Michael, even her brother.

@gabrielkline2581

5 жыл бұрын

how does spock have the hots for michael?

@mountainmama9384

5 жыл бұрын

@@gabrielkline2581 I'm not watching it, but they said it on the show according to people who saw it.

@gabrielkline2581

5 жыл бұрын

@Mountain Mama im not sure what kind of show other people are watching but there is nothing in the show that suggests an incestuous relationship between Michael and Spock whatsoever. Anyone who thinks that there is was looking for something perverted in the first place. I'd suggest watching the show before bashing it.

@stevedowdy1

5 жыл бұрын

Do you understand what the word "incest" means? Michael and Spock are not related in any way - she's adopted and not either Sarek or Amanda's biological child - so even if there was a romantic relationship between them (which if there was it was hinted at so subtly I missed it completely) it wouldn't be incest. But I guess any excuse to criticise a show you're note actually watching.

You would think a Critic, before giving a TV Series "Sequel" a 96% score would go back and double-check for nothing more than the sake of personal integrity and reputation. Precious few real Sci-Fi movies deserve 95% - I can think of only TWO off-the-cuff.

Looked at the audience reviews for STD S:2. Why are there several names with "%20" in their names? ASCII 20 in hex is a space as I remember, so is there a coding problem with name storage? Or is this where a piece of text is being inserted from a non-vetted source? It seems really strange to see that kind of thing in names on a prominent site like RT.

How come 7 fresh and 1 rotten adds up to only 8% rotten. 8x8 is not 100. 12.5x8 is 100. So thiis should be 12.5% rotten (i.e. 87.5% fresh). So basically RT is basically just making up the score anyway.

@joshuacr

5 жыл бұрын

It's almost like we have this thing called, alternative facts?

Demon Spock.

Straight up, I didn't even know there was a new season of it.

What bothers me is that they KNOW we KNOW...and they STILL insult us. SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE!

go woke, get broke.

As someone who only kinda likes Trek (half the original movies, TNG, JJ films, that's it) I enjoy Discovery. Don't care about canon nor do I care about how it steps on the toes of the 60's show (almost unwatchable anyway IMO). As such I can enjoy it for what it is - an action adventure sci-fi show. I enjoy the Orville too as an homage to TNG. Looking forward to the Picard show too.

@rebeccaedwards3784

5 жыл бұрын

Precisely. I'd say that you are a trek fan who likes startrek 'the appropriate amount'. But many so called fans are just well beyond pure fandom. They have become fanatical and obsessive. And have Turned star trek into a cult with religious like obsession. Hating on anything that doesn't follow their way of thinking.. As if it's sacrilege or something! 😂. Lol

Gary, I reason the guys that killed everybody in Glass are now in charge of Trek and your thoughts on that? Best Regards, Tom.

Somebody should tell the critics that "The first duty of every starfleet officer is to the truth" and perhaps they ought to follow the same principles.

I canceled my Netflix 4 months ago and it feels so great. I get more stuff done now, read more and when i watch something it feels more special and enjoyable.

@thestorm99

5 жыл бұрын

I cancelled mine 4 years ago. Think of all the money you could have saved if you were as critical and had seen all this coming, as I am/did.

It IS improving, everyone is saying, and at the rate of improvement they are going, STD should be an OKAY show by season... hmmm 5? or 6?

@Warhammered

5 жыл бұрын

I really hope this rubbish is not on by a season 5. Klutzman said he doesn't even think it should be around for the standard 7 from the 90's Trek as it's now too long for the attention deficit non-trekker viewership of 'modern' standards.

@1mattwilson83

5 жыл бұрын

@@Warhammered I doubt it will get that far. I'm one of the fans that liked Enterprise (final season was the worst) and it was far better than STD, and it only got 4 seasons. STD will have to really get its audience back this season somehow, for it to be worth a third season. I'm waiting on Picard, if that works for audiences, then CBS will HAVE to admit that its the show, not the audience.

@derekmcmanus1423

5 жыл бұрын

Matt Wilson it's a very low bar

@acerbicinspirations5978

5 жыл бұрын

@@1mattwilson83 But there is a clear and present danger that the Picard series will be just as rife with identity politics as STD. Patrick Stewart himself is rather social justicy and would be all for it.

@1mattwilson83

5 жыл бұрын

@@acerbicinspirations5978 Yeah. Which would be a shame, and i am kinda hoping the Patrick Stewart will at least respect the fans. He's been to enough conventions, and met enough REAL fans to understand that. I'm not expecting the bright setting of TNG, it IS going to be different, but HOW different We can only wait for.

It’s actually quite reassuring to watch the big Star Trek, Star Wars and Doctor Who franchises dying, like the cultural dinosaurs they are. Gives one hope that there might finally be something new, fresh and innovative coming by the time the 20s roll around and we can bury all these endlessly rehashed 60s superhero and sci-fi reboots.

RT can't even do math properly! They must have graduated from the common core curriculum. Average rating: 7.43/10 7.43 out of 10 DOES NOT EQUAL 96%!!!! It's 74.3%, not even a B-grade!

Remember all those original Trek episodes we all liked specifically because they killed off certain crewmen who were stand-ins for demographics we didn't like? My favorite was the episode where a black crewman said right before his death "I represent all black people that all fans of TOS hate" and then a Klingon shot him. I laughed and laughed, as did all Trek fans of the day. It's so unfair that the tables have turned on us!

@acerbicinspirations5978

5 жыл бұрын

My scouter says that your sarcasm level is over 9,000.

@Sgt_Glory

5 жыл бұрын

@@acerbicinspirations5978 WHAT, 9000!?

Discovery is awesome. Love the writing and effects

@rebeccaedwards3784

5 жыл бұрын

I know! It's awesome. My favourites were when they found the Glen in series 1. And the mirror universe. So freaking cool. B) And so far in season 2 I loved episode 2. Great to see them using the Spore drive again. And actually travelling where no man has gone before!. Would love to see them try exploring a new galaxy. Or seeing just how far they can go? Maybe the edge of the universe? Perhaps using the drive to better understand the creation of the cosmos? Quite possibly the biggest question out there.

@Name-se3lf

2 жыл бұрын

It's AWFUL. stop lying

Gary - have to thank you man... I'm a casual Trek fan - loved TOS and dipped in and out of all other series... but after watching this video I checked out the Prelude to Axanar you mentioned - I'd never heard of it, but WOW!!! Now that's a Klingon War... not the garbage Discovery dished up... best Trek thing i've seen in a long time, and a great direction to go... after all, we know what the Federation stands for, but have to acknowledge that they do/have had a military wing that fought a war... it's great to see that portrayed so well!

Burnham to her captain: "You need to trust us, Sir. I told you, we don't abandon each other." Well, there was that little matter of your mutiny, for which you received a life sentence.