I love the face he makes when he draws his sword and marches forward. It’s like he didn’t even see the army as a defeat, but more like an inconvenience. And he still just walked on. What an absolute legend!

@duddy2003

Жыл бұрын

i took as he just accepted the fate

@jamesl3877

Жыл бұрын

Yea I don’t think you’re that good at reading facial queues. He accepted his fate but he was going to go down fighting anyways. Plus he was severely outnumbered and outflanked with cavalry, if youve ever played a strategy game you know your infantry is done for

@thewhistleking2

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesl3877 I understood that he was completely outnumbered. I just appreciated his kind of "oh well, fuck it" demeanor about it. My point still stands: Stannis is a legend (although very flawed)

@theonofswords3764

Жыл бұрын

He was stubborn and misguided but he wasn’t a coward

@dossiefuteboloficial

11 ай бұрын

Much is said about how much of a legend Stannins is, who burned his daughter to be a King. But little is said of the men who accompanied him, many abandoned their homes and faithfully followed their Lord, saw him do barbarities, and still they followed him, even outnumbered, on the ice, they continued to follow him. Stannins would gain the North if he won, maybe he would be King in the long run, these soldiers would gain very little, maybe nothing but the same position they originally held. Honorable men.

Even with the character assassination of Stannis by the showrunners, they still couldn’t help but make him go out like an absolute boss. Facing down impossible odds like a goddamn man.

@darkwolf4434

Жыл бұрын

Was it really that out of character? I mean Stannis if anyone would give up love to do his duty.

@uberspessmann9604

Жыл бұрын

@@darkwolf4434 He was killed off by the director because he didn't like the character.

@doctorjekyll6125

Жыл бұрын

Legends Never Die!!!

@nicolas0402

Жыл бұрын

@@darkwolf4434 It was out of character to go beg money for the Iron Bank and bring his family to the battlefield. Also, in the books he learns he needs allies and manage to go from 1,500 soldiers to 6,000, most of them Northman wanting vengeance for the Red Wedding, but in the show they simply forget about it

@huseyinozer8470

Жыл бұрын

@@darkwolf4434 book stannis would never kill his daughter

3:44 I love how he pulls out the sword, my man!

@greggo1131

2 жыл бұрын

one of the best scenes in the entire show

@nervelq9968

Жыл бұрын

real

@Bartonret

7 ай бұрын

​@@greggo1131Yes.

The contrast between the two armies at the beginning is real telling. Stannis' army is cold, hungry, tired, and demoralized while the Bolton's army is rested, energetic, has hot food and spirits are high.

@Barryschitpeas42069

Жыл бұрын

And horses

@darkwolf4434

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, reminds me of my own country's history which is Sweden. Our king Charles XII had won the majority of battles while being outnumbered. Then the harshest winter within the ice age at that time hit. Then the russians used scorched earth tactics. So Charles decided to lay siege to the city of Poltava in todays Ukraine where unbeknown to him was where Peter the great had gathered the majority of his force where the deciding battle of the war happened. Sweden lost.

@Bonzi_Buddy

9 ай бұрын

Not much different than the US Revolutionary War and specifically the Battle of Trenton. The US troops had just faced multiple defeats and embarrassments, were cold and they needed a victory. They won that one.

Even though Stannis lost the battle and his life, he did have a small, far-reaching victory over the Boltons when Sansa escaped while Ramsay was fighting and as a result, reunited with Jon, united the North against them, and took back Winterfell.

@darth856

2 жыл бұрын

That makes me think back to when Stannis told Davos "We do not choice our destiny, but we must all do our duty, no? Big or small". In the end, Stannis made his contribution, even if it was not as grand as he had hoped. Aside from helping Sansa to escape, he also provided ships for Jon to rescue thousands of wildlings at Hardhome. And of course he brought Jon and Melisandre together so that she could revive Jon after he died.

@Rottensparrow

Жыл бұрын

Are you telling me they massacred entire Stannis army but didn't manage to destroy Jon Snow's army of wildlings?

@johnathangordon8935

Жыл бұрын

@@Rottensparrow they did destroy jon and the wildings

@AF-hv4yy

Жыл бұрын

makes me think of littefinger saying "chaos is a ladder"

@masterplokoon8803

Жыл бұрын

Kinda sad to see a great character from the books be reduced to such a pitifull role in the show, though the acting was excelent, the writing was horrible. D&D ruined him on purpose, because they couldn't understand someone as dutifull as Stannis.

Stannis in the books vs Stannis in the show. The war is still going, boys. Stannis did not march his army into an open field to die.

@penoyer79

7 ай бұрын

just awful. greatest military strategist won't be defeated so easy.

@dellavonta187

4 ай бұрын

Exactly just bad writing how 5 thousand men take 10 thousand horses and no one heard

After the butchering of Stannis's character the backlash of season 8 gives me so much joy.

@danbaskin

Жыл бұрын

Literally ruined all the plot line. His death left a thin way to choose the way the plot will surprise people. Its obvious Bolton wasnt a main character, but quite an interesting one. But it was obvious he will fall in the end. They still could have the great battle of the basterds only with Stanis along side with Jon. But yet they threw it to the trash while the book isnt going to do so.

@rocthaice24

Жыл бұрын

People bitch about everything

@BlackDiamond2718

Жыл бұрын

I see it as how fans would write the show. This show was meant to keep you guessing on who would win or die. Not to appease people who love characters to the end.

@fanispalaiog6639

9 ай бұрын

​@@BlackDiamond2718it's not about this. Stannis was butchered in the TV show, that's whats getting under the skin of so many people

@BlackDiamond2718

9 ай бұрын

talking about season 8@@fanispalaiog6639

Stannis met his end like a trooper. Respect

The only one to deserve the crown

@TheMrPeteChannel

3 жыл бұрын

The King who cared.

@josephburnside2135

Жыл бұрын

He literally burned his daughter alive lol

@benitoswagolini3827

Жыл бұрын

@@josephburnside2135 skill issue

@herkko1960

Жыл бұрын

@@josephburnside2135 she should just get good smh

@philhelm1318

Жыл бұрын

@@josephburnside2135 Sacrifices must be made for the good of the realm.

I hate this scene. It's amazing how he forms up his men so quickly but they forced Stannis to be in a bad situation for no reason. They made him beg for money too which is not like his character at all >:(

@umbertoangelillo6268

3 жыл бұрын

The Iron Bank goes to Stannis in the books

@ericzamora3449

Жыл бұрын

@@umbertoangelillo6268 really??? Wtf then

@afonsosilvestre7626

Жыл бұрын

He never begged for money, Davos made up their minds about Stannis and he got the gold, and it was Davos idea to go to the Iron Bank

@bobafett9348

Жыл бұрын

@@ericzamora3449 During the Northern campaign which as opposite to the show sees Stannis army grow in numbers from the original 1500 southern knights he saved wall with, to 6000 men as northern houses join him. Before he fights Boltons, Iron Bank comes to him and offers him 20,000 mercenaries as long as he makes the Lannisters pay. Meanwhile in the show Stannis begs for mere 5000 mercenaries and then gets abandoned. Oh he also burns his daughter which he left at the wall in the books to keep her safe. Thanks D&D

@BushmasterH

Жыл бұрын

Yes but As adults it's our job to be able to understand the show isn't an exact replica of the books ffs 🙄

The last stand of the one true king with his loyal men RIP legends never forgotten

@rossagnew1284

11 ай бұрын

That legend killed his brother to get his armies, burned alive a bunch of people, led all of his man to a massacre, burned his daughter to death, and drove his wife to suicide. This man didn’t go down as a legend, he went down as a fool who sacrificed everything for witch pussy.

@dmoney8602

6 ай бұрын

Cringe as fuck

Stannis was the actual one true king. Like, facts-wise. By right, the Iron Throne was his. It was his all along. What a sad ending for a sad character.

@darkwolf4434

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely he also didn't have a desire to sit on it. He did it because it was his duty and he did whatever he could to remove the injustice of the lannisters stealing the throne.

@ant3352

Жыл бұрын

He was the second son. The right is only his if the king makes him his heir since he had a son . . . And Geoffrey had a younger brother. So, sadly for stanis, he never had a claim.

@darkwolf4434

Жыл бұрын

@@ant3352 The problem is that Joffrey wasn't actually Robert's son. That's why Ned wrote rightful heir instead of Joffrey when Robert said his son would be his heir.

@romanbennifir6020

Жыл бұрын

​@@ant3352your truly are an idiot and didn't watch the show

@xxac3zn8zxx87

9 ай бұрын

​@@ant3352actually Joffery* and Tommen had no claim to the throne, by the ACTUAL right of the land he was the one with the true claim at this point(we didn't know Jon was a targ yet)

You gotta respect the men that followed stannis for so long, from the siege of storms end during roberts rebellion to crushing the Greyjoy fleet during Balons rebellion, to the battle of the blackwater, to defeating a massive wildling army trying to invade the seven kingdoms, you can see some cut and run during this scene but the core surrounding stannis that were loyal to the end must have been some of the best men in Westeros despite having no cavalry I feel like they gave the boltons a licking here, and may have paved the way for Jon to beat them later.

3:40 That look on his face. The personification of Hopelessness.... The actor nailed this scene.

Most impactful death of the entire series. My king.

@dmoney8602

6 ай бұрын

Holy fuck cringe. I might unalive myself for you out of shame

This last facial expression is from a man who sacrified and lost everything for nothing, and now accepting his fate, the fate he created himself, and he just understood it at the last minute. I always pictured that his last memories is the face of his daughter, when he "smile".

He looks more pissed then worried

@magnusthered4973

3 жыл бұрын

And he still would of survived if briene would quit bitching about renly

@TheMrPeteChannel

Жыл бұрын

My king.

@penoyer79

7 ай бұрын

he looked done.

StannisTheMannis our one true King The prince that was promised “Go on do your duty” There were no better final words than these

@flightofthebumblebee9529

Жыл бұрын

He also admitted he murdered his brother using blood magik, which he was clearly ashamed of and wanted to atone for. At least he died with dignity.

There's one major problem with this battle most of this 'cavalry' would be mounted infantry, near useless in battle on horse, especially against veteran spear men, no matter how tired or hungry, who should already know through scouts and the fact that you can see Winterfell from 2km away that there is like 7 thousand horsemen forming, which would take like an hour or two.

@ToBeFrank_.

Жыл бұрын

That's a really good point actually. I hadn't thought of that there's practically no heavy cavalry north of the neck by this point. Unfortunately the showrunners don't understand or care how these things work, as evidenced by their portrayals of the Dothraki.

Doing siege in Mount and Blade with only a couple soldiers be like

@weedhoundinfinite3238

2 жыл бұрын

then they take all your denars and butter.

@San-lx1gx

Жыл бұрын

If only Stannis had 100 Batannian fian champions and some good high ground, that would be a gg wp

If they had just waited a few weeks they could have gone with Jon Snow and had double the men RIP stannis 😓

@llllk-fz6xw

2 жыл бұрын

@@rv2167 No But it was a futile attack and they all new it

@narufan987

2 жыл бұрын

@@llllk-fz6xw yeah but winter was never ever a factor in the show after this. Stannis and his men got fucked by a blizzard, but no other plotline got affected by anything similar

@100EmotionalDamage

Жыл бұрын

@@narufan987 Bad fucking writing!

@aegonthedragon7303

Жыл бұрын

Stannis could have also had his army bolstered by some freefolk, mountain clansmen, the Flint’s, Umber’s, Glover’s, Manderly’s, Dustin’s, and other northern houses. Too bad the writers removed all that…. that which was in the book they claimed to be adapting :/

@k-studio8112

8 ай бұрын

Exactly he became impatient. His men would have additional impact during the Battle of the Bastards. The north, wildling, the baratheon, and the vale

Stannis under rated character, went forward no matter what!!!!😉

Stannis will always be the mannis

Absolutely criminal what they did to Stannis and his character

I miss so much. My grace... :(

Going off.the numbers from the show... The Bolton's sent 8000 men to mot calen, and after this battle they only have 5000 at winter fell...and the majority are infantry.for the battle of the bastards...implying that stannis the Mannis, whilst out numberd and surrounded...took out about 3000 Bolton's.....damn.

@MiraMosty

2 жыл бұрын

Well...the bravest And truest king, And his beautifull death.

@TheMrPeteChannel

Жыл бұрын

He took out 50 himself

@leeashley1902

8 ай бұрын

The Boltons in the show were said to have 5000 men. It was 200 they sent to retake the moat.

When the scots fought against England. A very similar event happened. When the large number of English Calvary charged, the scots would prop up spikes in a upward angle to impale the horses. Causing an English regroup, however they still win I think. Stannis never really got to show off his true military leadership skills in the show.

@restitudororbis8235

3 жыл бұрын

I think this battle I saw it in the movie outlaw king

@holyshades6462

3 жыл бұрын

@@restitudororbis8235 Or Braveheart

@shrekzebee4435

2 жыл бұрын

wait a sec its just the battle of bannockburn

@Mr.Whiskers690

2 жыл бұрын

Stannis was way cooler in the books although he is pretty cool in the show to.

@ytv31

2 жыл бұрын

The scots have always been a proud and strong people, my utmost respect to them 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

D&D really did Stannis dirty

Saddest moment in game of thrones. I hated the targs. Robert was the only charismatic king and his true heir was stannis. Stannis deserved to be king.

@dhivakarbalajee1901

4 жыл бұрын

U do realize that these are fictional characters right ?

@eicikle1809

3 жыл бұрын

@@dhivakarbalajee1901 And he is simply stating his opinion on these fictional characters, so, your point being?

@madsam9403

3 жыл бұрын

@@dhivakarbalajee1901 so ?

Can we talk about how loyal some of his men were? Even though they knew they were up against impossible odds. They still stood with stannis. They were loyal to him to the end.

The OG of GOT, Stannis Baratheon. He kept it Real. RIP

Stannis made some really bad decisions, and he paid for them. This scene was a great last stand for him though. He knew it would end in his defeat, but he still drew his sword and matched as the first one into battle. What a badass

@vonmehlau9284

Жыл бұрын

The boltons spawned these cavalrymen out of nowhere

@darkwolf4434

Жыл бұрын

@@vonmehlau9284 It wasn't just the Boltons, it was the Karstarks and Umbers and they greatly outnumbered Stannis who had just marched his men at winter and having half of his already outnumbered force leaving.

A brave man, he die like a true Warrior.

you can see right when he accepts his fate

I just want him back so much lads

Despite all his flaws, failures and mistakes, Stannis Baratheon was not a coward. He knew this was the end of his story and faced his demise it without fear. That i can respect in a character like this.

What a scene when he pulled his sword.

Thanks to Stannis and his men sacrifice that there were less Bolton affiliated North Cavalrymen present at The Battle of Bastards.

The absolute mannis Knew the odds, still went in like a boss

The only time Stannis smile before he draw his sword

@flightofthebumblebee9529

Жыл бұрын

He laughs when Davos is saved from execution by the fire god he likes to mock.

Stannis gonna win this battle in the book. on the brink of defeat his military prowess is gonna kick in and he's gonna hold them back. just wait

I hope i can one day look death in the face like that and still have the guts to draw my weapon and say so be it.

I was so looking forward to his campaign south to Kings Landing.

I wish he had a full a army, healthy and battle ready. But his troops armor looked nice

Stannis was a badass boss and he has one of the strongest armies on GOT. it is just they lost on the battle with the lannister that is why he outnumber with his army. The dedication of this man is been exceeded to the point that he can offered up his only child's life in exchange for a chance at power.

*King Stannis

Graceful in victory and in certain defeat. Willing to sacrifice anything, except maybe that Red Woman. A character I respected.

My guess is that Stannis might win at Winterfell and that Shireen is burned to resurrect Jon Snow (we don't know by who or the circumstances, just that "It happened"). The showrunners didn't want Stannis to take Winterfell since then he'd be the only character in the show to ever do anything (defeat Renly, attempt to take King's Landing, defeat Mance, defeat Bolton, etc.). They also didn't want Jon's resurrection to be tainted by a child sacrifice.

@toxicxhazard

7 ай бұрын

Holy shit that would be metal, I hope it happens

@penoyer79

7 ай бұрын

Aegon gonna beat Dany to the punch overthrowing cersi and taking the iron throne and she'll be looked at as a foreign invader when she finally hits westeros.

the king 👑💔

if there is one thing that i love about stannis. is that he is more honorable then his brothers...robert is a dick, renly is a coward, but stannis never runs from a fight

Scaried Man: 'We got NO chance 😢' Stannis: 😤 (Just Drawn the Sword)

"We all know what my brother would do. Robert would galop up to the gates of Winterfell alone, break them with his warhammer, and ride through the rubble to slay Roose Bolton with his left hand and the bastard with his right. I am not Robert. But we will march, and we will free Winterfell... or die in the atempt"- Stannis Baratheon might still win this battle in the books.

@mrj4082

Жыл бұрын

He will win

@flightofthebumblebee9529

Жыл бұрын

He will.

Look at Stannis. Then watch our politics. we need Stannis now. we do not need fucking politician

It's funny how the beginning paragraphs of the latest blog of M&B II Bannerlord somehow made me think back to this very scene....

Can't wait till the Winds of Winter confirms that they killed off Stannis here just so they could give his ADWD arc to Jon Snow and Qween Sansa.

@umbertoangelillo6268

3 жыл бұрын

@@futurei0oo Some Umbers supports Stannis too

@aegis7368

3 жыл бұрын

Stannis is planning on drowning the entire Frey army at the Crofter's Village. Mormonts, half the Umbers, even the Manderlys are supporting Stannis.

@darth856

2 жыл бұрын

Support from the northern houses to Stannis relies on Davos being able to find Rickon, though. The north will always follow a Stark. Btw, I wonder what GRRM will do with Jon in WoW (I am almost positive he will be resurrected). Possibly he will come across Lady Stoneheart?

@ToBeFrank_.

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately we're still waiting lol. Probably never going to see it done.

Back when the weather mated...

The one true king of the seven kingdoms 💔

@penoyer79

7 ай бұрын

Aegon might have something to say about that.

We all love the Mannis, but i have to give props to his men. Abandoned their lands and holdings in the south after a crushing defeat to fight wildlings, then ironborn, then cunty northerners and potentially (later on) reanimated corpses once the REAL war began- all on the word of a fire-demon worshiping witch and ironclad loyalty to the last Baratheon. Fucking legendary, these stormlanders.

The only Baratheon I like

The One True King lives

0:52 Sansa opened that door... with a corkscrew?! Bullshit-o-meter is going off the charts

I like that the overhead view shows plenty of Stannis’s men just running the fuck away.

I'd like to think that the histories of Westero would record this as Stannis(House Baratheon) attempting to rescue Sansa (House Stark). A tragic but heroic attempt by the Stag, to save the Direwolf.

As a student of central Asian steppe warfare my biggest question is how Ramsey kept all those horses fed.

After taking the character of Stannis Baratheon and literally tossing it into a blender until it became something utterly alien from the character in the past few seasons and especially the books, dumb and dumber still managed to get Stannis the Goddamn Mannis to go out like a boss. Also did the show runners forget that Stannis just spent a good while resting at Castle Black. Are you telling me his entire army lost every shred of morale by the time they reached Winterfell, especially with them marching towards a battle to the death that will change the tide of the war in their favor if they win and result in the total destruction of their army if they lose?

If Stannis attacked winterfell instead of going to Castle Black he would have won. Also the north would almost certainly help him since Ned Stark believed he was the true king after Robbert Died!

@darkwolf4434

Жыл бұрын

Stannis would still have been outnumbered and would have to march in the cold.

@LYNXHQ

Жыл бұрын

@@darkwolf4434 he would have took winterfell before the storm and had 2.5 time more men and horses

@darkwolf4434

Жыл бұрын

@@LYNXHQ Actually yeah, you're right. I completely misunderstood your comment to a very large extent.

I think it’s mentioned by Roose Bolton that Ramsey’s decision to call for a charge was foolish as they could have not wasted men and stayed in the castle to defend against a siege, meaning Stannis like in Blackwater made a significant impact on Ramsey’s forces also showing the lack of long term planning Ramsey has as he just throws the full blunt of his men without thinking of better strategies

Ned died for Stannis’s claim, and Stannis died for Ned’s home.

@penoyer79

7 ай бұрын

they both put their eggs in the wrong basket.

Me and the bois storming area 51

At 4:00 you can see some men fleeing (not like you're gonna outrun cavalry) and the men who chose to stand with Stannis this far unto the end.

They definitely should of shown way more to this fight

Just a thought - a good one - what if Stannis' mercenaries that abandoned him (his cavalry) joined the Boltons instead for this battle. That would explain their large cavalry count

RIP THE ONE ON ONLY KING OF WESTEROS !

I never got where did the Boltons get that much cavalry from?

Even half of his 12 men army are fleeing when the cavalry getting close.

His men did not hesitate to unsheathe their swords.

Kind of odd to think of it in retrospect, but Sansa knew Jon had no cavalry in the upcoming battle of bastards and knew she had to find a way to persuade the knights of the vale to come to the aid after watching the slaughter of Stannis by Bolton cavarly alone.

3:15 absolutely no fear or panic.

BARATHEONSS LAST STAAAAND!!

Kinda parallels how Stannis and his cavalry surrounded the wildlings, now it's Stannis' turn. Fate is a cruel bitch. But how hopelessly defiant he is at 3:39... what a boss!

U can see some men of stannis tryna run away

i didnt read the book but i just found out how much of a savage stannis is in the book, and they just slaughter him like a pig in the show but they tried theyre best to make stannis look bad from when he gets manipulated by red witch, backstabbing renly, and this scene but still the character of stannis baratheon is just too strong for them to weakened that we still admire him

How did Stannis manage to get to the woods while his been surrounded by all sides and was leading the vanguard? I mean his army would've been slaughtred in a few minutes. No chance for survival

@flightofthebumblebee9529

Жыл бұрын

It shows he went down fighting and we clearly see he is a skilled fighter (he takes down 2 soldiers right before he is killed).

glad this didn't happen in the books

@alonsomartinez7443

Жыл бұрын

The scene alone makes no sense, one of the best strategist of the seven kingdoms leading his starving army to open field… cmon…

@darkwolf4434

Жыл бұрын

@@alonsomartinez7443 It was his only chance, Winterfell was the only place he could go to.

@thenotorious844

Жыл бұрын

@@darkwolf4434 maybe the director only chance to kill him LOL because many fans rooting for stannis than Jon snow and Daenerys combined

@darkwolf4434

Жыл бұрын

@@thenotorious844 Yep, they had to get rid of him somehow.

If you were stood here, as the Bolton army came, would you fight beside Stannis or run?

Pretty crazy that the real outcome of this battle still hasn't been made official.

in retrospect, the contrived and forced attempt at irony with sansa lighting the candle just as brienne of tarth leaves is BAD WRITING AND THEN THE REST OF THE SEASONS GOT WORSE AND WORSE DAMN YOU D&D DAMN YOU TO HECK

@Conan_the_Based

2 ай бұрын

It's good writing in a way because it fits her character. Brienne of Tarth is supposed to be this larger than life figure, a woman knight challenging all traditions, but everything she does serves her own vainglory while she botches all of her knightly duties. She fails to protect Renly, Catelyn Stark, and Arya. Now she's shirking her pledge to Sansa as she pursues her personal vendetta against Stannis, 'in Renly's name' of course.

I feel so bad bc I always forget about Stannis lol Before I watched this I completely forgot who he was even fighting here Well written character tho

i still maintain it should've been either jon or stannis to defeat the night king at the end ✋😔

@penoyer79

7 ай бұрын

one thing is for sure - they book is going to be way way different and so much more nuanced than this farce.

Ngl when I first watched this episode I was so happy to see him get slept. But thinking about it his story is very sad. Bro didn't get any recognition for holding Storm's End, succumbs to the Red Women's influence when she was wrong about him and then kills his daughter. Just to lose to the fucking Boltons.

Can you hear him say “oh yeah”

Is it ever explained that some how House Bolton has like 7k calvary all the sudden? Thats more horses then Rob had and he had the entire North behind him

Man area 51

The only solace i get here is that Stannis and his force fucked up atleast half of Ramsey's force as we can see the force available for Ramsey at battle of the basterds was at least half of what it is here in this battle

That TV Show totally ruined his character. Ramsey Bolton was a true bastard King of the north, he almost defeated John Snow too later in full battle. I love the way evil became alive with the actor who played him.

Great time to form square if you ask me.

Stannis should've been king.

3:03

They have spears and long weapons like polearms and glaives and the like yet they ditched those to go to swords and short arms. Lower your Spears and long arms against cavalry and its an easy victory

@Conan_the_Based

2 ай бұрын

That's a misconception popularized by Braveheart. Infantry are disadvantaged against cavalry no matter the weapon. Reasonably well trained horses are smart enough to dodge polearms on their own initiative, and all it takes is a missed thrust for a spearman to be wide open.

@ferroangelusprimarchoftheII

2 ай бұрын

@@Conan_the_Based if multiple ranks of infantry with spears deploy against cavalry there's no possibility all of them will miss furthermore deploy archers behind the infantry to fire into the oncoming cavalry. Infantry always stand an advantaged chance if they remain in formation. Cavalry will be most effective against wavering infantry and light infantry not a solid block of trained disciplined infantry who will not break and run anytime soon

@Conan_the_Based

2 ай бұрын

@@ferroangelusprimarchoftheII Yes and no. Even a perfect formation can be harried incessantly and broken. With Stannis' half-frozen army, forming a square wouldn't have bought them much more time against the ridiculous CGI horde that could assemble into textbook formation without any of his scouts even noticing. This whole confrontation was just bad writing all around.

@ferroangelusprimarchoftheII

2 ай бұрын

@@Conan_the_Based Yeah that's true this scene is just terrible writing and yes I agree with you there, light cavalry and mounted archers were most adept at wearing down formations. I'll cite the Battle of Carrhae as my example here. In this scene however, the Bolton army is primarily made of heavy/shock cavalry and therefore not that adept at wearing down formations and instead breaking them with several charges and not what is shown in this show

@Conan_the_Based

2 ай бұрын

@@ferroangelusprimarchoftheII Heavy cavalry is precisely why a spear wall wouldn't work here. Short spears alone can't form a dense wall simply because the men themselves standing shoulder-to-shoulder prevent it. Ancient warfare solid formations were achieved with heavy interlocking shields while the spears (and swords) were used for counterattack. Later warfare used longer pikes so multiple rows of men could feed the same spear wall. In this case, Stannis' men had neither large shields nor long pikes. They 'll simply be crushed under hoof, spears and square formation or no. Anyway, I came to split hairs and that's my hair-splitting quota for the day :)

Would square formations work?

@lucasdamotta2931

Ай бұрын

They shouldn’t be at open field like that, like there is a huge forest behind to cover in.